Bandits

no sources for any of that shit

least they invented boats
vikings: 1
niggers: 0

Because way less people want to hear stories about rapists, murderers and slavers then they want about gallant explorers and seafarers?
Chivalry romances weren't realistic portrayals of knights either, nor is your average samurai in media anything like actual historical samurai, most portrayals of anything leave out the inglorious parts for the villains- the pirate rivals, the retainers of the wicked lord, so on.

it's such a comforting coincidence that everyone in history was so limitlessly evil and barbaric except for the good guys (us)

Why is this so common?

Blame the romanticists.

Anyone played Caribbean Legends? I heard it was bretty gud

They were way less cool than that though. Just edgy losers. Same thing with vikings and cowboys.
Cowboys especially were morally reprehensible incel losers.

and wheels

Vikings had slaves too tho

nobody

not even skibidi toilet

anon

DUHHHH RIGHT WINGERS!!!

Shoo shoo to bunkerchang with theen

cartels are real so I really don't doubt those punishments were real too

Because the freedom and danger of the open sea against the rising nationalism and shrinking world has a certain kind of romance to it even if pirates were monstrous scum who deserved their hanging in nearly all circumstances.

vikings were the slaves too, the best reason to convert to christianity was protection from muslim slavers

what a stupid thing to say

It's so funny how books were able to alter reality. It's the same with ninjas. A lot of things people believe about historical ninjas are actually just from Japanese novels written in the 60's.

Vikings had slaves too tho

For some it was their main source of income.

raid some village

turns out they got jack shit

hardly any food and no valuables

at least grab some slaves so we don't come home empty handed

People have a tendency to romanticise criminals it happened with:

vikings

pirates

medieval bandits

Desperados

mobsters and gangsters

You lost, tranny.

/thread

Also crusadercucks

Japanese media doesn't shy away from showing samurai betraying people at the drop of a dime and slaughtering women and children from rival clans and shit.

no goy, your people were miserable and evil before diversity!

Even in Pirates of the Caribbean which is the most normie-friendly series ever pirates are portrayed as traitorous and bandit scum, not like noble people. This is another case of "criticizing a story that doesn't exist".

Both top and bottom are pop-history over sensationalized garbage

Maybe some day in the future people romanticize jihadist in the same way pirates are now. There will be family movies about brave terrorists, kids have jihadist themed birthday parties etc.

It's because scurvy land bandits can attack anyone and righteous pirates only attack boats owned by empires

Isn-t that just Rambo 4.

pirates

gay. navy or merchants are better

vikings

gay. anglo saxons pls

But i don't think i've ever seen a story that just straight up lied about the subject like vikings and pirates. I think i can name a bunch of movies that show bandits, desperados and mobsters as they were but i can't think of a movie about pirates and vikings doing the same.

Flesh and Blood, basically any reconstruction era western, even scorsese gangster movies show them as violent drunk racists and wive beating psychos. But pirates are always YARR HARR ME MATEYS! and vikings are just warring tribes.

Gaza has a lot of that, they're basically folk heroes and they psyop their kids into desiring martyrdom as well. There's probably something like that in Afghanistan and Iran as well to a lesser extent.

bottom is cooler though

A lot of age of sail pirates were either actually privateers or flipflopped between pirating and privateering (there were even some Barbary pirate captains who eventually got a full amnesty from some European power because they agreed to defect and join that nation's navy instead), and already in the age of sail people romanticized the fuck out of their own privateers because pirating was based when it was done to the ships enemy countries.

I'm a centrist

Then you're still operating off of liberal priors and as such, you are a left winger.

Based
Cringe

Most people don't live on boats in the middle of the damn ocean.
Lefty fags love them because they were multicultural and gay and stuff.

Where are all these quotes from? They read in a manner most pleasant, and gladly would I peruse further such anecdotes as the negroes as were eaten by sharks

in the days of epic bacon of the late 2000s and early 10s everyone fucking loved viking shit because it was so hecking "masculine and gritty but wholesome as fuck and so, like, connected to nature!!!!!!" big reason why skyrim became such a popular game in 2011 and shows like GoT were big. not to mention the myriad of viking shows and films that came out in the 2010s

Good amount of the lower part seems to be deliberate bullshitting to put fear into potential targets.
A pirate doesn't do it for mindless violence, pirate does it to get rich quick. Killing random people over taking them hostages and trying to ransom them is counterproductive in multiple different ways.

I had a dream last night I was the leader of a group of bandits like highwaymen but it was a bizarre world. There was a building, like a factory or opera house, being pulled by horses down this forest road. And my guys had horses pulling large carriages fitted with cannons. I remember boarding the building and fighting with a sabre. The whole time the building was moving at a really high speed.

It was like a sea battle except on land. We looted a bunch of flintlock rifles, a harpsichord and a violin.

That probably has to do with the fact that the viking and pirate age aren't as close to us as cowboys and indians, and the mob is still technically around.

HE’S MADE OF RUBBER

>I'm a centrist

Said nobody. Good job at proving that pic right, retard.

i heckin love kosher hollywood vikings with gay marriage, blacks, and girlbosses

Like everytrhing, piracy is romantized in games. Pirates in movies, books and video games are way cooler than they were irl.
Irl pirates would often avoid direct combat, fire warning shots to threaten their victims and then haggle to let them go unscaved for an extortion fee. They would only rarely pölunder, loot and sink ships because that is always a risk, even if they can 100% win the battle because they can lose their lives or limbs. They were also scared and always feared navy ships because they were usually better armed and equipped.
Everything is cooler in video games, books and movies than it actually was irl.

i don't think i've ever seen a story that just straight up lied about the subject like vikings and pirates

Vikings and pirates were large groups that did a lot of different things.
Yes, you had the pirates who tortured everyone they captured to death, but you also had a lot more pirates who just fired a shot across the bow, told the ship to surrender, and then let them go without further hassle after they robbed them (which was the smarter option because otherwise they'd get the navy sicced on them).
Same for vikings, you had the "rape pillage burn" variety, but a lot of vikings were simple traders.
Also, I don't think I've ever seen a movie that pretended vikings were innocent goodie two shoes who never murdered anyone, so IDK what you're on about.

Harder to sell games to kids if they have an R18 rating, so the realities are toned down

Both of these are the same thing and they are therefor centrist. Left and right wing bullshit is just centrism in disguise.

amerigoyim have been psyopped into thinking they invented slavery by making nigras pick cotton

.... you do know that african slaves were sold by black slavers too right? like we didnt go into africa and just randomly kidnap somebody because they were there. Chattel slavery was functional because of intertribal warfare.

What the fuck does Africa have to do with vikings owning slaves though?

This is something that often gets swept under the rug to maintain the white man bad narrative.

The idealized highwaymen are way cooler than idealized pirates anyways.

because we are comparing blacks to vikings and they were mentioning slave owning being exclusive to a white function when thats simply not true.
yeah, that and most people don't actually understand the historical context. slavery still le bad (no shit) but it wasn't entirely the fault of those hecking evil colonizers.

I wish I had slaves.

ah yes, niggers that punished you severely if you laid hands on a woman without her consent, among other human rights laws that the "civilized" people of the time didn't have

Rambo III
youtu.be/j4QAow0xFe8

no you don't, you had to feed them and take care of them. what you want is a serf or being wealthy and having a servant under a complex contract that you can pay them for pennies on the dollar and then forget about them the moment you leave them.

fippy bippy, made those chuds seethe

they were mentioning slave owning being exclusive to a white function when thats simply not true.

Nobody said this. You literally hallucinated it.

get slaves

make them serfs

wow so hard

they were mentioning slave owning being exclusive to a white

Nobody said that. Hell, saying vikings are white-niggers for owning slaves says the exact opposite

Same reason righties (headcanon)

Kind of funny how they changed the dedication to mujahideen to something else in the re-releases.

Even One Piece started off with righteous pirates hanging out in port fighting off evil land-based bandits.

Only if the West loses

Idiotic false-equivalency

Pirate crews were semi-democratic:
archive.news.ufl.edu/articles/2006/06/study-pirates-pursued-democracy-helped-american-colonies-survive.html

skibidi toilet supports barbarism

And neither does pirate media shy away from portraying pirates as evil murderers and enslavers. Half the villains in Pirates of the Caribbean are pirates.
It's just that this shit is reserved to the villains, and the heroes are the valorous examples of their kind.

democracy

good

This. As cliche as it is, history is written by the victors, the only difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter is that the freedom fighter won

Can we also stop romanticizing Mesoamerican shit too? Like I get thinking their architecture, weapons, and armor are cool. But I'm sick of people acting like they were some civilized enlightened societies unlike the "evil" europeans. Especially when pic related was a focal point of many of their cultures.

I think a bunch of dudes on a boat is easier to tell a story about, found family and shit. A bunch of dudes innawoods or in the slums is less interesting because they can just move somewhere else, they aren't tied to a single enclosed location.

Pirates are only seen as the good guys, because the hate for the British is far stronger.
Like most things in history.

Pirates were english, "Sir" Francis Drake, just a thief hired by a whore

once you learn the pirate accent is made up pirates lose a lot of the fun they had.

It was the 3rd one. USA were sucking up to middle east those days.

Not so much now, instead they are flooding our countries with them. Strange. Islam is right about women btw.

a good jihadist never takes another person's head

Apocalypto is absolute kino because it depicts that honestly

The Aztecs were based and you cant change my mind

This is fascinating because you have to wonder how you even come around to this idea. The sun worked perfectly fine before they started ripping each other's hearts out, why would they suddenly think "We need to start tearing the beating hearts out our chests to keep the sun alight."

Baffling behaviour.

True

Conquest of Elysium has the best mesoamerican representation. Full-on slavery, human sacrifice and wanton mayhem faction.

Islam is fanfiction based off of Christianity and Judiasm made up by an illiterate caravan raider that got railed by a bunch of Indians in the desert.

only the english ones were, and leave elizabeth alone

mesoamericans were barbarians because of ritual human sacrifice even doe our own elites do it in underground tunnels

...You want a game about bandits fucking shit up?

Vikings, by the origin and definition of the term "to go on a viking" were raiders. Sure there were scandis and danes who were just traders, but those weren't vikings. Those tribes literally lived off subsistence farming and raiding anyone they they thought they could take. Probably the worst offender i can think of would be the later seasons of Vikings and AC Valhalla just ignoring the more "problematic" parts of viking culture. And i can't think of any pirates media that did the setting justice. They are all set somewhere between straight up fantasy like POTC and treasure island.

Only reason i can think of for why nobody has the balls to go for a more realistic approach is the cost of production. They don't want to risk hundreds of millions of dollars by sticking too close to history. Those kinds of budgets usually don't even get an R rating so they wouldn't doom it to failure by telling the story from the POV of an unlikable band of slavers, rapists and murderous sadists.

A good pirate never takes another person's property!

I love this for how stupid this is!

A leader with a fetish, probably.

We should follow the example our ancestors set and disabuse them of the notion. Violently.

Vikings were huge in the late 2000s early 2010s.

neopagans aren’t right wing though, they’re ultra pozzed pro-lgbt pro-immigrant, nearly as left as jews

They were so comically evil even by standards of their time and region that Spaniards were instantly accepted by locals into the local alliance to destroy them.

????

I believe it, so many of our leaders today are fucking weirdos that it wouldn't be surprising.

those iron knee-pads

Damn, no early retirement for that one

died of scurvy

poor as shit

kike'd to death by the british

yo ho ho

You upset the Vikingcels bro, good job

At least they still preserve the faith compared to Christians with female priests, gay marriage, and god going from vengeful to forgiving.

too many words

hating the good guys makes no sense

you have brain rot

FUN FACT

USA REVOLIUTIONARIES HIRED PRIVATEERS, SEA MERCENARIES TO FIGHT THE BRI'ISH,BUT THEY WERE SCARED OF HIRING LAND MERCENARIES!!

you know fair enough, still requires you to own land for them to be bonded to but fair enough.

Also god doesn't autocorrect to God even though Google suggests it... That is deliberate. Because Google sure as fuck autocorrects with upper case G.

of course, opportunists exist in every culture. but lets be honest, if they werent sold they would have just bagged them theirselves.

preserving the faith

The hell does that mean
there are plenty of places where Islam is not adhered to by the letter, like in Uzbekistan. Coincidentally, those are the places that don't suffer from violent jihadist chimpouts

barbarity speaks out to the heart of cowards everywhere

I just googled it and it looks like that's an original line. That's actually really great, you have a talent for this

same way any religion adopts retarded shit. whoever was in charge wanted to do something unpopular and this was their excuse. in this case, he really wanted to kill somebody he didnt like.

well i'd assume we'd bag native americans actually given that was what we were doing before we transitioned to the trans atlantic slave trade because it was more efficient. going out of to africa for the help feels a bit of a journey. compared to acquiring locally.

Who the fuck were they going to get?
Not half Injuns who they fucked over, the other half are with the canucks and the Hessians were all in the Employ of the British.

Nice bait.
Vikings attract admiration for their martial prowess, discipline, and cunning, which allowed them to disseminate their culture.

Pervasiveness and popularity are the fundamental virtues of any culture.
Superior cultures dominate while inferior ones erode.
It's tragically Darwinian, but the grand lesson of anthropology.

The Vikings conquered England and defeated the Franks, ultimately suffusing themselves with both populations which would each establish formidable empires of their own.
It took the inexorable force of Christianity to subsume them (as it did all of Europe), but they left their indelible mark.

Neither of these anons are implying that owning slaves is a white-only activity. You need to take your meds

ENTER French corsairs

Thrvke

You are absolutely correct, but painting all pirates and vikings as murderous rapists who think remorse or empathy is some weird Oriental dish is disingenuous as well.
And IIRC Vikings switched from raiding to running a protection racket pretty quickly, simply accepting a ransom in exchange for not raiding a region.

Only reason i can think of for why nobody has the balls to go for a more realistic approach is the cost of production.

I think it's just that very few people would be interested in something like that. Maybe as some kind of shock novelty, but not for it to be a sustainable business model.

idiotic idiot

you can be democratic and brutal at the same time. these two things don't exclude each other moron

bandits

:(

bandits, china

HAO..... HAO

Pirates, particularly as privateers, would regularly intercept FOREIGN vessels, while bandits prey upon their own compatriots.
It's really quite simple.

original post

Vikings are white niggers

Anon's rebuttal

vikings had slaves tho

thus implying the predicate to separate niggers from non niggers is the ownership of slaves. the fact you cant pick up on context clues implies autism. I'm sorry that im higher functioning than you.

"Corsairs (French: corsaire) were privateers, authorised to conduct raids on shipping of a foreign state at war with France, on behalf of the French crown. Seized vessels and cargo were sold at auction, with the corsair captain entitled to a portion of the proceeds. Although not French Navy personnel, corsairs were considered legitimate combatants in France (and allied nations), provided the commanding officer of the vessel was in possession of a valid letter of marque (lettre de marque or lettre de course, the latter giving corsairs their name), and the officers and crew conducted themselves according to contemporary admiralty law. By acting on behalf of the French Crown, if captured by the enemy, they could in principle claim treatment as prisoners of war, instead of being considered pirates.

Because corsairs gained a swashbuckling reputation, the word "corsair" is also used generically as a more romantic or flamboyant way of referring to privateers, or even to pirates. The Barbary pirates of North Africa as well as the Ottoman Empire were sometimes called "Turkish corsairs". "

Comparing Christian countries to Islamic countries, one of those preserve values much better compared to the other.

Viking slavery was vastly more humane on the whole with better prospects for freedom.
Certainly preferable to simply being slaughtered upon your subjugation.

Why are you sorry you are not dumber?

owning slaves is niggerish even though niggers were slaves

What a defeatist cuck cope, slavery is based, imagine if all of india was enslaved now, the world would be fixed

Bandits, china

HAO

Cultivator bandits, chine

HEN HAO, HEN HAO

reminder that Americans don't even know their country went to war against a north-african pirate empire in their early days and to this day still praise Morocco for being the first country to acknowledge their independence when they did it solely so their Barbary pirates could keep raiding American ships without fearing repercussions from the British navy

pirates in history

there were 2 types of pirates in history
The type who looted, basically caught up to ships, took their cargo, left them alive and with minimal provisions, maybe taking a valuable hostage to ransom off.
And the ones who killed everyone, took their shit, and then fucked off.

The first type was far more common, didn't kill anyone, because killing them means you can't rob them again when they come past on the same route you control. No point in murdering everyone and getting some navy involved to annihilate you.

For the second type they basically only existed when they were trying to invade another pirate groups territory and killing everyone there would fuck over the pirates there which the navy would assume was the known pirate group operating in that area instead of them getting hunted down, and potentially kill every ship of that group.
Pretty much every horrific torture was done to traitors and like, not random people they are robbing.

You'll see some Anon Babblefags larp about how they have a great viking Aryan bodybuilders ancestors sometimes, that's about it.

peoples love of underdogs takes priority, since they feel downtrodden. why wouldnt they? british are never depicted as good guys anyways and hardly anyone knows anything about other cultures except through media. not that they have time to learn, because they are downtrodden underdogs.

It's odd how whenever the brutality of Aztecs (or other indigenous peoples) is brought up, it's met with backlash

you can't judge people of the past with modern morals and sensibilities!

but these same individuals will call the Spanish that invaded them evil. Or call the crusaders evil. what gives? aren't they all people of the past?

Be cruel captain

Get mutinied

Sure, they could be brutal to *outsiders* and *traitors*, but fear tactics were an essential part of any robbers' arsenal.
They likely made up half of the stories of their own "barbarity".

The countries where Islamic values are preserved the most are the most violent, unstable third world shitholes on Earth and plenty of their people flee to move to Euro countries.

another 2000 page brick by our boy Luo Guanzhong

HAO!

you can't judge people of the past with modern morals and sensibilities!

That does not even apply to Aztecs, because a massive tribal coalition joined Spain because almost every non-Aztec native considered Aztecs evil psychos.

Islam is also 600 years younger than christianity, what were the christians doing 600 years ago again?

Wasnt that the function of the caste system? Also more owning slaves is a net neutral, anyone can do it. Even you (that is illegal though, don't get arrested disregarding moral implications)
cuz im autistic too.

It's just that this shit is reserved to the villains

i was talking about the protagonists

Others had burning matches placed betwixt their fingeres, which were thus burnt alive.

Do you want people to add fucking footnotes and URLs in their memes now?
Just fucking educate yourself, Jesus.
The famous ones were know for being cruel as fuck because inducing fear already gets you 50% of the win.
The alternative if you can't be bothered to look up neat pirate facts is to just start reading One Piss and look up the names of all the big pirates whenever they pop up there I guess if you're really that lazy, like if I recall Bartholomew was the one who popularized/created a code of conduct for pirates IRL and he was extremely cruel and would torture his crewmate. Or maybe it was the Jolly Roger that he made, it's hard to remember which did which.

Why is this so common in video games?

It's really not common at all. Absolute majority of rpgs gives you a rogue class option.

Do ever tire of being so disingenuous?

They despise white cultures, either because they're not white or because they are degenerates detested by traditional white society (e.g. trannies and mysandro-feminists).

but who cares, cartels mostly torture each other, who cares if bad people kill bad people

And they will make an effort to turn into exactly the same type of barbaric shithole as the one they fled from. They are like a virus i swear.

It was mostly intimidation propaganda.
They didn't actually do most of that.

Based, I fucking love Jean Bart

Except good people get caught in the crossfire, they also get extorted. The world would be very much better without those cartels in it.

You are absolutely correct, but painting all pirates and vikings as murderous rapists who think remorse or empathy is some weird Oriental dish is disingenuous as well.

That is called artistic freedom. Unless you want to make a documentary that sticks as close to documented history as possible you can always take certain liberties. Which is why even in KCD they combine the events and characters of decades. And people still go "hurr capon was actually only 15 in 1403!!11" That's also how EA can have a bunch of red dot sights in a WW2 battlefield game because all they need is one obscure prototype that existed sometime before 1946. And that's how you can write a story about vikings and pirates that weren't evil bastards by pointing to some peaceful tribe or chivalrous privateer who is famous for sparing innocents.

I heard that was because the British seafarers were retired British navy that didn't like how the homeland was run so they went out to sea to eat foreign vessels.
It's not that weird that the USA would go up and ask retired military men that didn't like the mainland if they wanted to do something about it.

Sure, they could be brutal to *outsiders* and *traitors*

THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT FOR FUCKS SAKE

ohhhh we aren't THAT bad we just torture other people and not our people :)

AS IF I COULD EVER THINK SOMETHING THIS STUPID

They likely made up half of the stories of their own "barbarity".

if some jungle psychos can each skin each other alive then I'm sure some bored, stressed, illiterate, alcoholic and most importantly armed and belligerent ship rats wouldn't have much need of making things up

be cruel captain

kill and torture everyone who talks back

nobody is brave enough to mutiny

oh they mostly torture each other

they'll maybe torture one or two innocent people per year so who cares really

Allow me to translate

Bro had lit matches slid between they/their fingers fr, turning them crispy, no cap. Skibidi.

ong?

How can that burn you alive?

thread got auto saged

Well it was fun, see you guys.

Very slowly

Just their fingers were burnt while they were alive. Not burnt alive entirely.

THE ROYAL CROWN DID THIS
HARRRRRRRRR

It was obviously going downhill when jannies deleted the first post. No fun allowed

further proof that lefties hate england, the good guys

I wasn't talking about movies, but rather about the idea being put forward in the thread that *all* vikings and pirates were baby-eating monsters (see OP and the post I originally replied to).
Artistic license is fine, but that's not what I was talking about.

if some jungle psychos can each skin each other alive then I'm sure some bored, stressed, illiterate, alcoholic and most importantly armed and belligerent ship rats wouldn't have much need of making things up

Another false equivalency.
Even the dregs of Christian societies where not so savage, save the most aberrant.

Be cabin-buttboy

Get reamed nightly by cruel captain

Tire of the torment and have constant access to the perpetrator

Load grapeshot & charge into bunghole

Literally arseplode during next sodomy

Fear tactics don't work against people with nothing to lose and ready means to kill you.

>Be cabin-buttboy

>Get reamed nightly by cruel captain

>Tire of the torment

too scared to do anything about it

ftfy

I like XPiratez
You can be very depraved towards civilians and it's encouraged to enslave them

I wasn't talking about movies, but rather about the idea being put forward in the thread that *all* vikings and pirates were baby-eating monsters (see OP and the post I originally replied to).

Yes, that's why i said "all you need is one instance of X" to tell whatever story you want. Otherwise you would have to stick to the prevailing reputation of vikings and pirates and that is murderous bandits. Like if you wanted to tell a story about cavemen tribes but really wanted to include a poetic bard you would have to go full fantasy and abandon everything we know about stone age humans.

There isn't much reason to believe this honestly.

These aren't people from the same society forced into debt due to unfortunate circumstances.
They're foreigners with zero connection to anyone close to their captors and not much way to communicate besides violence.
Norse society had polygamy so there wasn't enough women for everyone, meaning grabbing sex slaves was a common motivation for raiders too.

Basically it's just Hollywood whitewashing (heh) norse slavery because it wasn't done to blacks.

Even the dregs of Christian societies where not so savage, save the most aberrant.

sure if you want to believe that

and many of the worst like jack the ripper were actually jews

Oh yeah also forgot to say the norse had HUMAN SACRIFICE, a pretty unfortunate custom if you happen to be a slave.

Bandit, Japan

You can be a freedom fighter and wear a uniform. You can be a freedom fighter and not intentionally mass slaughter innocents.