Why are there no games set in the byzantine empire?
Why are there no games set in the byzantine empire?
because byzant doesn't really exist in westerner's minds. it's italy to greece.
The Byzantine Empire is not well known and it undermines the Jewish myth of a European dark age.
Americans literally don't know what it is
civ
/thread
Rent fucking free.
but am I wrong
because it's lame and gay
not really most don't know much about it other than maybe the name
They were losers that got genocided and replaced by mudslimes
didn't really do much conquering after Justinian
didn't have interesting enemies until it was already mostly disintegrated
just 1000 years of noble families backstabbing each other
if it wasn't for map painting games I wouldn't know shit about basic history or geography
Byzantine my ass, its the Roman Empire
There are
Total War: Attila
Field of Glory: Medieval/Kingdoms
to be fair I'm a euro and this mostly applies to me as well. Crusader Kings taught me more geography and history than 12 years of schooling
these games aren't "set" in the byzantine empire, they just have it playable. Might as well say Europa Universalis is set in India
the only people who care about byzantium are serbs russians and other orthodox "people" and it's only because it let's them tie their shitholes to the roman empire
and making games for them is not worth it because they pirate everything anyway
same, i only knew basic history of my country and that's it
first time I booted one of those games and looked at the HRE i did a triple take because in my mind I always thought germany was a unified blob since forever
There are trillions of games about the Roman Empire, what are you talking about?
Because greeks would rather be antiquity greeks and not byzantine greeks and this there are no people bringing discourse about Byzantium into collective unconscious
Tbqh byzantine legacy past Justinian is mostly crossed out of collective memory completely aside from more colourful insults like shitborn or mudeater
Because it had generally be seen as irrelevant or decadent in the western worldview on which the majority of popular fiction is based. At the end of the day it was the Roman polity continuing it's spiral into death and whose legacy is only relevant to slavs and having their stuff stolen by muslims.
Italy as well. I wonder if France having a headstart on both of them contributed to its dominance of Europe.
Antiquity greeks were pagans though.
Would be cool if Alexandros lived longer.
Justinian is a fucking zoomer-ass nigger that falls for a hyper slut named Theodora (sold herself to old men at 9)
His incompetence lets her slut wife take over the throne and silence all male senators, tortures anyone who questions her, lift ups other whores to the sky (mega feminist) and invites barbarians to the kingdom
Justinians solution to any problem is to raise taxes more
Entire kingdom falls to ruin
I'd rather play a different game. Sad ending, though.
their greatest general was a cuck
There's also an armenian shemale (by modern standards) fucking over hwite general man somewhere in the background
Can't forget that
Fuck off redditor
muh diet rome
Italy was way less of a clusterfuck because it had fewer and more concrete city-states.
Ottofags
Worst Islamic fanfic
jesus what a garbage ass map
seethe kike
the kike fears the Ottoman
the kike fears the Samurai
the kike fears the Aryan
the kike fears the Roman
the kike fears
I'm American and I know what the Byz empire is so yes you are wrong.
clusterfuck
That be Crusader State/Latin Empire of Byzantium. Italy pre-unification was kino.
He would gradually become more of a lunatic and would persify Greece
Can't be called god by every Ramses, Cyrus and /insert stereotypical name here/ and also your mom and retain sanity
CE
WHEN I SAY TURKIYE YOU SAY MASTER
TURKIYE
also kike fear cousin of High King (UK), Kaiser (Germany) and Tsar (Russia)
I said I want the doner with everything
Putting folk music aside, Orthodox religious chants are the shit.
Accurately portraying it would be too Byzantine a task to accomplish.
playing byzantine in ck3 feels pretty good, much more interesting than the rest of the game which kinda sucks ass
Because it would be hard to build a believable backstory for a medieval gayreek without them being killed before adulthood by a disease, muslims, or some gay civil war
what if rome lasted long enough to have actual knights?
it's getting crazy good reviews on steam
*gets raped*
Problem with Byzant is they solved all their problems with money and careful balanced alliances. At some point people they were paying off became too powerful, alliances crumbled and coffers ran dry.
WE MUST CRUSADE AGAINST THE MUDSLI- WAIT A MINUTE THEY BELIEVE IN THE WRONG JESUS FUCKING RAPE AND PILLAGE CONSTANTINOPLE
Really?
more like gayreeks pay denbts
repeat for 2 millenium
the Crusades were always a politics first, religion second event
WAIT A MINUTE THEY KILLED OUR OWN FOR NO REASON*
Too decadent (in power terms), too weak, would rather bribe than fight, just overall depressing like late Venice or Ottomans
byzzie boys had no reason to entertain crusaders after they kept chimping out to pass their lands to go fight for muh jerusalem
How many times are you going to repeat that popular myth?
A huge debt was part of the whole problem, but the siege of Constantinople happened because a multitude of reasons.
btfo smug assholes for refusing to pay denbts and murdering latins constantly
wtf how could you do this
Ottomans never "controlled" north Africa beyond Egypt, if anything they had some sort of agreement with the local leaders, but there was no permanent governor or armies there. Let's not even talk about Yemen..
hmmmm i'm losing territory left and right do i let these people that vaguely share my culture dunk on sandniggers of do i chimp out and slowly get grinded to death by barbarian hordes
no game where you are part of the peoples crusade
i want to roll with the nigga peter the hermit and accomplish nothing
I'm convinced that school presents history in the most boring, distilled way possible so that it can only serve as propaganda for the current world. If it wasn't for vidya, historical fiction or straight up shitposts, I could have gone my entire life hating learning about it.
it's good on the surface but once you get into it a bit more it shows a lot of problems. the military ai is absolutely retarded and adventurers are so overpowered it's dumb
crusading is fun when the pope doesn't call one into giant arabic doomstacks and everyone instantly dies which happens most of the time
I find it amusing just how many times Rome was saved by pure luck. Vercingetorix, for example, was famed to be very competent if not genius at war who had the misfortune to be opposed by Julius Caesar of all people.
Americans don't know it.
I want a game set in an accurate recreation of peak Constantinople, imagine the intrigue.
Palace conspiracies, assassinations, riots, Hippodrome races, Arab/Varangian/Turk invasions, it'd be kino
the same reason you don't have games about the Reconquista
they don't want you to see islam was always an invader
true. I ironically clicked on this video and ended up watching the whole thing. And the comments underneath are all like "this dude trickled me into caring about history wtf". A motivated teacher makes all the difference
Because history tends to force students to learn specific dates and shit rather than sparking interest with events and historical figures. Once they have you hooked you'll want to look up shit on your own.
luck you say?
their permanent butthurt over slav tribes just casually killing their chiefs in democratic civil wars as soon as they managed to negotiate a non aggression pacts with them was so funny
hannibal would have cleared spaghetti niggers if his higher ups werent scared of him
this
Aside from some short lived moments of glory like Nikephoros Phokas' cataphract conquests, it's just one long depressing gay death
ENTER
CHADISARIVS
The cuck.
*bzzt* *bzzt*
it's for you, king
haha I crossed half of Europe and lost half my troops but I finally reached Rome
ok now what?
...
Why not make time travel isekai games about saving Britannia from Rome
fuck this retarded larper cuck
The Byzantine empire was the most backwards and unjust parts of “Europe”, it was an eastern despotic shithole and asiatic in its soul and essence.
The true Jewish myth is that Western Europe during the medieval age was some terrible place to be when it was the best place on earth to be of le gdp isn’t the only thing that matters to you.
even the Brits aren't arrogant enough to claim there was anything worth defending at the time
sup habib btw eternal peace is over lol thanks for the gold though
You can play as a character in France in 814 AD in Eternal Darkness. That was pretty neat
209 AD
Unless he talked only just the early northern Scot
youtube.com
Anon Babble threads are so comfy bros
Ottomans never "controlled" north Africa beyond Egypt
Cringe. The ottomans were all converso Jews
ok now what?
he wanted to raise the other Latins in rebellion against Rome but underestimated just how mindbroken they were by Roman domination and how much they associated Rome with civilization itself
Shut up Procopius.
they also probably didnt want to join the child sacrificing cult
The army was excommunicated before they reached Constantinople.
and they bought their way back into popeys good graces with golden church arches
Why not make time travel isekai games about saving Britannia from Rome
Not an isekai, but amusingly enough British Isles resisting Romans is where the alternate history starts in anime called Code Geass.
Britannia traces its cultural origins back to the military expedition of the British Isles by Julius Caesar, when he invaded Britain twice in 55 and 54 B.C., Alwin I meets with strong resistance from the local tribes, who became the founder of the imperial family. The election of the king and the repulsion of the Romans is the starting date of "Ascension Throne Britannia," the universal dating system in Code Geass, which is similar to the Gregorian calendar of our world, though dated same years.
Venice's bitch
code gayass
just rope already tranny
Saving?
It was a shithole before and it was the first territory they abandoned.
Britain never paid by itself what it cost to conquer or mantain, it was literally a net loss for the empire.
As if Pope Innocent didn't jump on the chance to spin the siege to his advantage.
Yeah brah, they were lucky because *reads notes* they had better generals?
Vercingetorix, for example, was famed to be very competent if not genius at war
Says Caesar, the guy who had all reason to paint his enemies as geniuses for glory
Forgot pic.
julius won
faggotorix lost
Basically bankruptcies empire treasury?
credible estimate
oh my basedence
was this done by by larpers
That summary of him is so god damn funny
Unironic 1000+ year old western seethe at the ERE, and I say that as a westerner.
So do I but we only get paraslop. I need to get off my ass and learn to code and do it myself
the very last Christian liturgy at the Hagia Sophia the night before it fell to the Ottomans was a Catholic mass
Takes place in Ottoman Constantinople, but close enough
Nah, not really, it simply was a pointless territory with no land and just some sheep. It never made economic sense to conquer it.
The golden goose were always the eatern provinces.
fuck that i want an alexander game that isnt just a strategy game
"Um ackshully what you said is wrong because of all these reasons I won't list"
you're a fucking retard
but close enough
MALAKA
I honestly dont know who lies more, period or near period historians who want to flex or know it all (based on jackshit) modern historians who are in a permanent state of butthurt.
no one cares about the Byzantrannies except for 4chuds and redditors
Byzantrannies
Less gay than the rest of the west.
What is there to save lol. Romans and Danes improved the gene pool
Caesar was the absolute master of humblebragging. He played the most easy mode military campaign in the history of the world and humblebragged himself into becoming emperor. Absolute social engineering legend.
Seethe harder Cicero
how dare you fight this heretical sect undermining real christinaity! you must turn the other cheek and help them without asking questions!!!
kill the Latins in your city
they come back and take your horses
It absolutely is. Twenty something years ago the "modern" part of my history course was all about WW2 events to instill a strong sense of patriotism, but pretty much nothing about what actually happened to the country afterwards, why everything went to shit, and why USSR is no more. It's probably still like that.
The Eastern Roman Empire has a million different things to make a game about and it's completely ignored. The propaganda done through the centuries to discredit them is remarkable.
khosrow the mortal
Got fucked by an Armenian manlet
I assume Greeks teach about Byzant.
No game about Heraclius
No game about Nikephorus Phocas
No game about Basil II
No game about Alexios Komnenos
Feels fucking bad.
New schizobabble just dropped.
Nobody knows who these nibbas are anon. We need to focus on the acrophycal black person in their circle to sell titles.
This is account of the guy who said Justinian and Theodora took off their heads on the regular.
acrophycal
John the Armenian?
That was the debt of the pretender they found in the middle of nowhere. Not the Empire that they attacked at the behest of that retard.
that was a really fun campaign. I should replay it.
age of empires 2, mount and blade warband mods, mount and blade bannerlord
well saders are easily manipulated
these niggas found twigs in jerusalem surely this is the TRVE CROSS OF CHRIST
Rome: Total War: Barbarian Invasion
Total War: Attila
Medieval 1 Total War
Medieval 2 Total War
Crusader Kings
Europa universalis
The Byzantines did not allow jews to be teachers and it did not allow jews to become politicians. This is why the modern jewish controlled education system refers to that period as "LE DARK AGE"
modern jewish controlled education system refers
I don't think they still do though? Even when I was in school a decade ago they were starting to phase that term out.
I ended school 2 decades ago so that's good to hear.
Pay your fucking debts.
holy shit grandpa go do your fucking taxes lmfao
The Byzantine empire was the most backwards and unjust parts of “Europe”, it was an eastern despotic shithole and asiatic in its soul and essence.
Why lie though?
"oy vey it was so bad goyim! We weren't allowed to corrupt the youth and we weren't allowed to make it legal to steal all your tax money! It was truly a dark age for us"
It all makes sense now.
can retards stop calling it byzantine empire?
it's tiresome
Do you zoomies even have jobs to pay taxes for?
t. raped gayreek
So now "zoomer" just means "anything I don't like"? Great stuff Anon Babble.
It sounds cool though.
why are there no games in Byzantium?
lists games around it instead
based retard
least this nigga went down fighting mudslimes
Anime website, baka
make Byzantine villain despite train resistance movement
Damn you Ubisoft
Is this some kind of weird Turk revisionism or something? I thought you guys liked Eastern Rome.
I just want impregnated Boudica as my queen
Crusader Kings
Because the HRE was cooler, byzantine was boring, eastern and ultimately lost to sandniggers.
centered around byzantium
Forgot AoE2
The city is fallen and I am still alive
Boring
What do you know about them, exactly?
resisting roman influence
English somehow develops the exact same way
Empire is literally called BRITANNIA
I mean it is interesting to see a Japanese perspective on jumbling together a bunch of historical anecdotes they picked up here and there about the west
anyone unironically thinking justinian was some sort of a based restoration champion is a genuine retard
he literally set everyone after him up for failure
The Ukrainian war turned a huge chunk of western history buffs into flaming homo sissies who vocally hate everything vaguely associated with Russia, so it could well be one of those
It's probably still a muzzie tho
Hannibal is unironically made up.
we defeated this monster who had elephants and rampaged through out country for 300 years we're such chads :)
Most of ancient history is completely fake and gay.
living in niggerhuts like a literal nigger, being poor, dirty, and have no education is le good actually :)
I'm sure there is some 50 IQ aboriginal tribe willing to welcome you as one of their own if you want.
Wait until you see duelists of the roses, that takes a few liberties and then some
Victoria and EU games. The Victoria Greece->Restored Byzantine Empire is the most satisfying game accomplishment you can achieve.
wtf no we totally killed 500k gaulic soldiers with two legions
He was 100% a based leader thoughbeit. We need someone like him today. Reminder that if Justinian were emperor of the USA today, he'd order the military to kill all the BLM rioters and he'd put together death squads to root out the commies and murder them all too.
Mad cuz bad
That is what became of Rome, not Byzantium, stupid retard. I suggest you educate yourself before you open your mouth on Anon Babble topics again, clueless moron.
Guy is definitely Turkish. Gayreek is their thing, nevermind that Istanbul is like a sweatier version of San Francisco. Place is unimaginably gay.
I suppose you think the Romans salted the fields of Carthage so nothing would ever grow again, and let the Carthage docks burn in hell despite being a port of strategic importance, purely for the lulz? Let's not forget the Carthaginians came from the Phoenicians, a.k.a. semites.
Are map painting games fun to play if you don't have actual interest in history and autism?
Just post the Russo-Turkish wars meme to make him shut up
So we went from the dark ages are fake and huuuuh jews or something to the dark ages only existed in western Europe?
Honestly he more a Hellenic influence Iberian Celtic leaders than Carthaginian high ranked noble
The Romans salting the fields of Carthage was not something supported or mentioned by ancient historians in the first place, it's a modern invention.
Are greeks white?
You are too stupid for this conversation. I'm sorry.
The ancient ones? Yes
how do you market a thousand year old orthodox empire to retarded mutt zoomers?
roman psyop still working to this day
KEK
No u
Why are there no games set in the byzantine empire?
that's entirely on us, for not having a single notable vidya studio
nta, but weren't the Carthagians a bunch of semites? I believe the child sacrificing claims based on that alone. Semites have some sort of weird obsession with killing children and babies.
Melting pot world's city
Hundreds of years of degeneracy and decay
Inherently anti-west
It's because the Jews have an eternal seething at the Romans.
Alexander the Great, Caesar, Genghis and Napoleon are actual meme characters that ancient incels tried to make into religious idols.
20 year old kid conquers the entire known world and builds 1000 cities named after himself then uh we don't know where he's buried but his generals take control of multiple empires
epic badass military genius who fought 1 million gauls by encircling them and getting encircled at the same time (just like stalingrad) got kidnapped by pirates and they just let him chill on their boat until they docked and he killed them (he got backstabbed by his best friend and said a cool phrase) also he fucked the hottest woman in the world (an inbred freak)
actual rock-eating savage unites nomads and they conquer the world (there were millions of mongols just chilling in the steppe waiting for him, we also don't know where he's buried it's le secret) also he was a redhead and was born with a piece of flesh in his baby fist, so epic
incel cuckold from a shit island raises through the military ranks in a foreign country, fights against every single european power, gets exiled to an island, escapes, takes full control of the military again and is le based (existential threat to england therefore he's super dangerous)
You can't tell me you really believe this shit.
Confirmed by archeological findings despite (((modern historians))) trying to convince us that it was Roman propaganda for centuries.
Obsessed with giving everyone bigger anime eyes in their art
Fucking weeaboos
take some horse meds or whatever you retarded faggot
Gameplay can and often takes place on the territory of Byzantine Empire.
Stop roasting babies rabbi
en.wikipedia.org
dedicate a special place to bury kids who die prematurely
2000 years later some retard who believes 2000 year old propaganda confirms you really did sacrifice children because the romans said so
Let me guess, you believe that Napoleon was a manlet, carrots make you see in the dark, Belgians hunted the Congolese as a sport just to cut their hands and Hitler was a gay, drugged out Jew with one testicle?
Good manga.
successful general gets pussy therefore history is made up?
how did the romans conquer gaul?
idk maybe they didn't actually we are not sure if rome was ever real
So why did the Rome fall?
No, Hitler was a BISEXUAL drugged out Jew who's only got one ball. The other is in the Albert hall.
Fuck that. Why there's no games set in Hellenistic middle east?
outsourcing
kind of what is literally going on right now
It's because all semite kindgoms for all history teetered on the verge of the Malthusian limit. Their terrible IQ, fecundicity and hot climate was a perfect recipe for metaphysical justifications for child murder because anything else just didn't survive. "Kill your kids to get a better career" is a meme that continues to this very day with Planned Parenthood, but back then it was more "kill your kids because you don't have enough food and we invented this religion to make that okay".
CKII nigga
Not just being against Caesar, he came from a people who could never unite as a group because of minor clan squabbles that could make people turn on each other quickly. It's why Rome was able to take over Gaul so quickly as they took advantage of the clan feuds and allied with those that thought Rome would help them defeat their enemies. It's colonialism 101: find the divisions among the native populations and exploit them.
At least there is a manga. That's something I guess.
Let's not forget the Carthaginians came from the Phoenicians, a.k.a. semites.
Maybe culturally. Not by descent.
Gayreeks don't make games and nobody else cares
first things first Carthage was a different society from "Phoenicians" who themselves were Canaanites and many of the child sacrifices stories were fabricated by their jealous Semitic neighbors
actually chuddy, the semites only roasted premature dead babies along with other animal offerings! (despite what every single historians said)
Who /blue/ here?
Max Payne 1 has a chapter called "Byzantine power game", what does it mean and where did it came from?
Greeks are incentivized to make money in tourism or move to Western Europe to become doctors/engineers
A lot of East Rome's texts haven't been translated or are locked away on Mount Athos
Napoleon
What the fuck was he thinking? He looked at Charles' Russia campaign and committed near exact same mistakes. Couldn't he have stood on his golden throne and just be a little bit nore lenient on his demands?
. Orthodogs utterly BTFO
rome outsourced its army not factories where they make the nikes you dont need to buy
Wondering same neighbor told Latin travelers?
nah he took moscow by all rights he won
he just underestimated how fucking savage snow niggers are
what said
Rex Charles was so fear that Peter use tactical retreat that Roman use against Hannibal’s force.
They constantly were surrounded by enemies and traitors. When the Muslim conquests gained momentum, the flow of capital moved to Western Europe
this
Constantinople's automata were smelted to pay the debts. Crusaders/mercenaries knew that with their stronger position they could still get away with pillaging a defenseless city despite the terms being met. They also knew the pope would absolve them with the heretical innovation of """indulgences"""
based
buy an ad
Not an argument incel.
"Stelae have been found at sites at Carthage, Cirta and Sousse (Roman Hadrumetum) in modem Tunisia, Motya and Lillibeum in Sicily, and Tharros, Sulcis, Monte Sirai and Nora in Sardinia" which all attest to the mlk [Moloch] sacrifice, showing that this was not isolated to Carthage and so is likely something all these Canaanite colonies inherited from their ancestors. At Hierapolis, instead of burning children alive, they threw them from rooftops it appears." - from 'King Manasseh and Child Sacrifice'
Anon Babblesissies absolutely mogged by the level of discourse of b/v/lls itt
Because greeks would rather be antiquity greeks and not byzantine greeks and this there are no people bringing discourse about Byzantium into collective unconscious
Western sponsored Greek independence was all about Westerns being Ancientophiles. They wanted Greeks to forget their Christian/Roman identity
iranian incel living in canada who just makes arape music and pretends it's le based white byzantion
it is pretty funny how greece only exists today because they somehow larped hard enough to convince anglos that they're the descendants of people from thousands of years ago
(((They))) wanted Greeks to forget their Christian/Roman identity
Sorry, Vile Shlomo. Not falling for it anymore. Celts understood astronomy before Meds did. The oldest sculptures and musical instruments discovered (40,000 BC) are from Europe. You don't get art from undeveloped peoples.
jews still seething over romaryans btfoing their gay child sacrifice empire and their muttified goyim slaves
Anon Babblesissies
they're too busy arguing over god again
took moscow
he won
Nigga when you lose, you can't win by definition.
If I had the talent and the patience I would make an East Rome game to honor my heritage, but I decided to become an electrician instead. Maybe when I start making money and have time for hobbies I'll pick up coding again and try
LARPing is a very legitimate strategy in the long term, in a way more important than military strength or economic development
Anon Babble is one of the brownest boards on this website, no point in even trying to talk to around a dozen autistic 25 year old thirdies.
it honestly boggles my mind how they have authentic, genuine arguments around concepts that have been made by random retards from a thousand years ago
people join a "team" and it becomes their entire personality, same with politics
fabricated
nah
It wasn't just them, anon. The Western powers pushed for Greek independence because they romanticized the ancient period and they wanted to weaken the Ottomans whom they saw as a competitor of trade and a religious enemy. Then they didn't want to give Greeks Constantinople (even though they were promised the city) because they knew the Greeks when fully autonomous would be a true force to be reckoned with (they were managing the Ottoman empire as second class citizens before independence)
Project Valhalla had not been the only thing the Inner Circle had been involved in. There were rows of cabinets full of files. The serpentine secret society went back a long way, always pulling strings from the shadows. I couldn't say I was sorry. Woden's move in some Byzantine power game had cut the Circle's membership roster to one. The old man wanted me on clean-up duty. It was my mess too.
my guess it's referencing how cutthroat and intrigue based the byzantine empire was, with how often coups, civil wars and dynastic transfers happened in it
the anglos allowed turkroaches to keep constantinople after ww1 even doe the ottomans lost
anglogoyim slaves of the jews try not to side with nonwhites against white people challenge: IMPOSSIBLE
they definitely sacrificed children because, i, because, because i said so!!!!!! and the cool romans too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
we... errr i mean they never sacrificed children you stupid filthy goy!
all Anon Babble cares about is haplo autism and discrediting Meds and Christianity. they're midwits
noooooo no jew ever harmed a child noooooo
I think the jig is up, heeb.
true, the anglos were so close to fixing the world but instead:
occupy Constantinople and give it to the turks
occupy Jerusalem and give it to the arabs
wtf were they thinking?
WE
The only supporting explanation I have for Christianity being the original Jewish psyop is that its basis is God sacrificing his own child.
Big agree. As stated before the Western powers, namely Anglos, were afraid of what Greeks would be able to accomplish when they regained their capital and their fertile lands. Oh well
What's the name of it?
just germs being vile murderous savages killing evropeans as usual
a thousand years later - the story repeats itself
Already co-opted by Zionist bankers since at least the Napoleonic wars. You can read about it in Niall Ferguson's duology on the Rothschilds
wtf were they thinking
Probably money. I can't think what else would justify the travesty that was Crimean War, other than French butthurt that is.
Eh, I should read more about the byzantine empire to understand it I suppose.
have you never played any paradox games?
byzantine is a pretty fun start
i always struggled to understand why people during the middle ages went to war over issues such as the nature of the trinity, since i cant understand the entirety of the arguments even with modern resources
now i think it was basically along the lines of blue vs red
it makes more sense why illiterate people would lay their lives down for something so seemingly trivial today
Anglos are honorary Jews, I wish more people knew about the huge Congo lie.
get outcompeted in the rubber trade by a meme country you literally made up 50 years earlier on the spot as a buffer state
10 years earlier you gave it like a sixth of the entire african continent to cuck france (and yourself)
send spies into its territory and see nigs nigging (belgians were too white to do anything there so they outsourced all their tasks to locals)
THE HECKING NIGGERINOS, YOU ARE MAIMING THEM WTF BLACK LIVES MATTER, BLACK LIVES MATTER
the entire world still buys belgian rubber but they're cemented in history as bloodthirsty racist monsters
Kill anglos, behead anglos, throw anglos into the sun, vaporize anglos to atoms.
Anna Komnena. Made by a true Nipponese Romaboo
Anglos are a "young," naive people who were never very bright. Their location and natural resources afforded them the ability to innovate after starting the industrial revolution, for which they deserve credit. But they are by and large a brash, dull people who simp to Jews for material gain. Their Protestant/Enlightenment mindset is perhaps the biggest sign of their hubris
It's more like they got into retarded squabbles with Bulgarians for 1000 years, when it really should've lasted only 100 years, which weakened both their empires and made them prime targets for the Ott*mans to conquer.
Had they been less retarded, T*rks might've only been in some parts of Syria or something like that.
Kill Latins for spurious reasons like debts that could've been negotiated or otherwise lessened
Sell the survivors to the Muslim hordes
Get your ass kicked and pretend you're the victim of unjust aggression for the next millennia
its the same for everyone
history class is what? an hr a day on weekdays druring school time? thats the history of literally everything you need to somehow teach in that small amount of time, spread out across a dozen yrs
now think about how long even 1 game of CK2 lasts
youre getting a lot more hrs in, a LOT quicker.
its also fun, so youll be more inclined to remember it
well the truth is that the 0.5% people at the top went to war over money and politics and the 99.5% cannon fodder went to war because it was a bad crop harvest and they needed money to feed their wives and 4 children. You can bet almost nobody gave a flying fuck about the theology, except maybe monks who didn't fight anyway
AC Revelations?
trvke
Uh Anglos are literal Jews. When Rome destroyed Iudea in 70ish AD, they didn't ouright kill everyone. They did what they and every other empire in history did; relocated the conquered to the most distant and inhospitable province, which for the Early Roman Empire was the British Isles.
i just checked in on the /gsg/ colony on Anon Babble
it is somehow even more abstract than when it maintained a presence on Anon Babble
still don't understand why the 2-3 big strategy threads needed their own board to make way for the 19 constant gachashit generals but there you go
This is made up schizo bullshit, but I'll believe it and spread it around.
THE HECKING NIGGERINOS, YOU ARE MAIMING THEM WTF BLACK LIVES MATTER, BLACK LIVES MATTER
I just imagined a 19th century Britcuck screaming this.
I'm sure you are one of those people who think Jihadis are in it for the money too
you're a fucking retard
You are a retard. Here's the list, faggot.
Venetians were quite angry after the Byzantine emperor had betrayed them, he successfully had schemed a plot to mass arrest Venetians across the empire and then declared war on Venice. Then there was the massacre of the Latins.
Venetians took advantage of being the hired naval transport for the French crusaders from Italy to Egypt, and because naval transport is super expensive the French ended up in their debt. After getting stranded in South Italy, Crusaders eventually agreed to help Venetians with various things in order to help pay debt, many Crusaders abaonded the Crusade by this point so only the scummier part of the party remained. This led to sacking of Zara (Christian city in modern Croatia) and excommunication of the Crusade. At this point, the Venetians found a Greek pretender to the throne and said the French could pay their debt, and make some profit, by putting this pretender on the Byzantine throne.
After they pressured to get this guy on the throne and the actual emperor to flee, the pretender didn't have the money for the ransom. This caused the Crusader/Venetian expedition to loot Constantinople in revenge/for loot. After conqueringnthe city, they formed a latin Byzantine rump state.
Get FUCK
true, it was mainly a germanonigger dark age
Because of *current political thing I do not like*
Wars were the old continent's population control.
Nu-worlders practiced mass sacrifices instead.
no I think modern jihadis are 80IQ troglodytes who have been brainwashed but I don't think that applies to some average peasant in a medieval army. It doesn't even apply to old school muslim fighters. Radical islam is quite a recent phenomenon
i mean that shit WAS a total meme tho
byzantines were decadent as hell and were a bunch of moneygrubbing slavers that fucked with all their neighbors
someone was gonna take em down eventually. either out of personal animosity, religious differences, or in their case: pay denbts
and dont even get me started on orthodoxy now
literally a bunch of ruskie shills in robes and beards
So you think Euro peasants were enlightened reddit atheists? Isn't it simpler to assume that the same fanaticism that exists today existed back then?
It means trash generation yes
Just like most of Byzantine history, the fourth crusade is another example of them being a bunch of scheming faggots and getting btfo for it.
It's legitimately, objectively the last age of the Romans and I don't care about what the papacy has to say. Rome's legacy didn't fall because one city was burned. Fuck off.
Radical islam is quite a recent phenomenon
Conquest in the name of religion was a psyop?
Thank you for falling for my bait hours later and providing an adequate answer. Now you can go in peace.
There
EU4 has an entire mission tree that lets you larp as le based Byzantines and ethnically purge Anatolia.
no I think they were peasants concerned mostly with the well being of their families
Isn't it simpler to assume that the same fanaticism that exists today existed back then?
no because we don't have much evidence of radical christian sects driving folks to slaughter as many infidels as possible for a reward in the afterlife. Of course plenty of rhetoric like that existed from the top down but I have no reason to think the regular grunts were into it at all. It's one thing to stone some infidel who defiled your local church but to pick up all your shit and leave your family for 3 years to go fight would take some crazy level of devotion. The economic motive seems more plausible to me
you're literally retarded
the entire fact islam exists is based on 80 iq retards cooning out during a period where all greater powers were destablized
otherwise it'd be yet another abrahamic desert sect with some schizophrenic at its head
Thank you for falling for my bait
What bait? You were a faggot that was writing a check your ass could not cash.
the guy on top says it's conquest in the name of religion (he actually wants lands and resources)
the guy at the bottom says it's conquest in the name of religion (he actually wants to get paid a salary)
I see Leaf-jeet and south hue in the thread
hes right
early islam was a bunch of warmongering faggots
but the thing we now know as "jihad", in the modern day, was a british invention circa mid 19th century that they used to secure their stake in arabian oil
look up al wahhab
he was al sauds cleric
straight up: a british asset
inability to pay denbts is in their blood
islam coexisted with christians for like 1300 years before the shit about killing yourself to get 72 virgins appeared. Why didn't they genocide each other in that time? Christians are still around in Iraq, a millennium after it was dominated by islam
Because it was a boring shithole that constantly failed at everything and it's whole history is just "and then it got worse". Just constant decline until the Gayreeks got completely raped by Turkroaches.
nihil novi sub sole
as they say
Indulgences weren't given to crusaders. The indulgence was given to a Christian who couldn't make an armed pilgrimage themselves, so they donated to the cause. Indulgence was to gain the merit of going on pilgrimage without actually going
Like how Europeans co-existed with Native Americans; by stuffing them into marginal lands far outside of civilization and killing the rest. 90% of Egyptians have no genetic relationship with pre-Arab expansion Egypt, but the mere existance of Copts is evidence of co-existance? Or the similarly tiny communities in the Middle East?
by stuffing them into marginal lands far outside of civilization
that's not what radical islam preaches. I thought they were radical islamists?
The amount of braindead retards in this thread is fucking insane, I hate Anon Babble, Anon Babble and diasporas.
is completely fictional
try leaving to improve the situation
You're brown in a human country, you should do it first.
the mere existance of Copts is evidence of co-existance
uh yes the existence of 10 million christians in egypt does kinda sound like evidence of coexistence and like there wasn't this constant genocide happening
are you representative of the average american?
the entire premise of islam is so retarded that even the lowest of the low peasants could see that it was bullshit
even 1500 years after the illiterate pedophile died there are people that under the duress of harm still didnt adopt his schizophrenic delusions
A lot of East Rome's texts haven't been translated or are locked away on Mount Athos
tell me about mount athos?
Is there not an ass ass in creed game that covers the Byzantine Empire to some extent? I felt like there was one.
Thanks, anon. Saucenao wasn't working for me.
Pretty sure being conquered and getting turned into a minority with lesser rights in your own country is genocide dude
imagine the Vatican except it's not run by a pope but by like 20 groups of christians who all have their own ebin monastery fortresses
Okay, then I have no problems with Jews co-existing Palestinians
no see that's where you're wrong because genocide implies violence aimed at extermination. I'm sure they were treated like shit in certain periods but you were saying that islam has always been "radical islam" and that's just bs since modern radical islam is a way more retarded and fierce ideology
Because it would educate us on the raids that the Slavs did against the young Christian empire, forever dooming it to ottoman occupation. Basically slabs are destroyed the byzantine empire it’s not a very well-known secret.
imagine the Vatican except it's not run by a pope but by like 20 groups of christians who all have their own ebin monastery fortresses
this sounds like a kino setting for resident evil game
Monastic autonomous state that has saved Greece numerous times in various ways including preserving its culture since the ancient period. No women are allowed there. I’ve been fortunate enough to visit and as a well traveled man I can say it’s the most beautiful place I've visited. There are some decent documentaries about it
Because a game like that would educate us on the Slavic barbarian raids on Constantinople that ultimately resulted int he ottoman occupation of the young Christian nation
genocide implies violence aimed at extermination
Not really?
Not true plus it’s still a heretical innovation
T. Peter Brown
byzantine is a common adjective used to describe something involved and complicated, tracing back to the complicated court ceremonial of the eastern Roman empire.
Byzantine emperor had betrayed them...Then there was the massacre of the Latins.
How do you think you have this deep knowledge of internal political dealings when you don't even know which emperor you're talking about? Andronikos was dead and his dynasty gone for almost two decades
It’s essentially the same reason why I call all Slavs mutts
Westerners are so delusional. Venetians were not justified for what they did
Look up the Almohads. Radical Islam is nothing new.
Look up the Almohads
how about being a little more specific, since I can also say "look up X" and pretend it's an argument
not true, there are primary sources of saints deriding how theological issues were the talk of even common laborers in Constantinople:
See St. Gregory of Nyssa:
“If in this city you ask a shopkeeper for change, he will argue with you about whether the Son is begotten or unbegotten. If you inquire about the quality of the bread, the baker will answer, “The Father is greater, the Son is less.” And if you ask the bath attendant to draw your bath, he will tell you that the Son was created ex nihilo. I don’t know what to call this evil, dementia, madness or something epidemic disease of this kind; it produces a derangement of reasoning.”
That was the fourth century, granted. Byzantine history would go on for about another thousand years.
Noone gives a shit because it becomes Christian. Christianity is no fun allowed. So is inherently lame as fuck historically compared to Antiquity era.
China stays based, secular and actually fun and exotic, which is why people care 10000x more about Tang and Yuan than Byzantine and HRE.
Mandela moment
If you’re idea of fun is fucking a slant that looks like your brother than sure
you're comparing apples and oranges. Of course normoids will discuss religion and politics at the market. We're talking about being so invested in it that you leave your family for 3 years and possible get yourself killed. Not close to the same
They should know, it's where the "1000 year Reich" comes from that Hitler tried to emulate and Trump is trying to copy.
I mean now that I can think of there's barely any media on the Byzantine Empire, from movies to TV series to games to even books (talking about historical fiction or fantasy inspired by the byzantines)
Yep Slavic barbarians were doing hs a favor when they raided the Christian kingdom. Little did we know those raiders were saving us from Hitler. And now it’s a Muslim nation that’s to the hard work of Slav rapists
there was barely anything on the ottomans too until about 15 years ago when Turkey stared their propaganda campaign. Greeks should do the same
They are the reason that the Maghreb has basically no Christians anymore despite having a lot of them in the past. Unlike most Muslim realms, they did not accept the concept of "people of the book" and jizya. Christians either converted to Islam, fled the country or were killed.
Real christianity is raping children and giving money to the Vatican jew
noo stop raiding us just let us occupy your lands
is there anything on the Ottoman Empire other than shitty turkish soap operas? There's AC Revelations now that I think about it
The historians I've read seem to say that yeah, the theological disputes were covers for class struggle ("the powerful" vs the rest), racial struggle, or even factionalism for its own sake.
The most compelling account I read of all the heresies and their seemingly inexplicably large role in Byzantine history was the one in Solovyov's Russia and the Universal Church, where he tried to characterize all the heresies as the struggle between the antique political spirit and the true spirit of Christianity (qua socially-transformative).
I won’t buy Wukong. Fuck Winnie the Pooh and 50 cent
muh slavs
Slave comes from slav because the west commonly used to enslave slavs due to them not being christian.
They got what they deserved.
Your lands? Slavs are ottomans now? Someone should Catherine the French or I mean Catherine the great
south and central Slavs had been Christian for 700 years by the time the byzantines fell
No, it’s the other way around numb nuts. Slav comes from slave because that’s all you fucking inbreds could manage when you weren’t getting raided and enslaved by mongols and ottomans. Christians were trying to save you you fucking retard.
byzantines only occupied ottoman lands, they did not have land in the balkans at all
t.
Most westerners can't tell the difference between Imperial China and Ancient China but the Chinese audiences are really spoiled by the amount of distinct historical periods in their fiction. From Xia to Shang to Han to Tang, Song, Ming, Qing etc. So many settings for whatever aspect of Chinese culture you're in the mood for.
For western audiences we only ever get "vaguely 300 years ago" these days
And instead of joining the Christian empire, you decided to raid it and destroy it alongside the Ottomans like complete fucking dickheads
peak of christian civilization got btfo by mud hut slaves
damn king that's pretty embarrassing I'd keep that shit to myself desu
the Ottoman Empire has a lot of potential but good fucking luck getting them to portray it accurately for what it was, a shithole.
this
it wasn't byzzo aristocracy stabbing each other in every hallway for 1000 years, it was bulgarians with no ships raiding us!!!
destroy it alongside the Ottomans
The Ottomans didn't even exist during the time that Constantinople was raided.
oohohhh my gooood the italians are so evil, they took what rightfully belonged to them when the retarded greeks wouldnt pay their denbts oooohhhh my gooooooood
the only reason the Byzantine empire survived the 8th century is "slavic barbarians" saving their asses from the arabs in 718
We've found evidence of their battles. Cannae still exists to this day.
Hehehehehe "cunny"
Slave comes from slav
Modern Western interpretations of medieval sources would indicate the Slavic area as being the main reservoir of slaves in the whole period of the Early Middle Ages, beginning probably in the 6th century, and with a peak around the 10th. This preference for slaves of Slavic origin – so strong as to make Slavs the slaves by antonomasia – has been easily explained: in that period Slavic people were the only ones who were still pagan, and this detail is most important as it explains why, by choosing them, early medieval slave traders – mostly Venetian, Genoese and Jewish – did not violate the new principles of the “Societas Christiana”, introduced by Pope Gregory the Great at the end of the 6th century, according to which baptized people must be excluded from slavery.
What should be noted is that aside from this being a mere theory, it is also historically and etymologically inaccurate, and unconvincing. After all, the Medieval Latin words for “Slav” and “slave” are not etymologically related. The Medieval Latin word for “slave”, and with it, its root as well, predate the first sightings and contact of mainland European civilization with the Slavs.
The evolution of the name of Slavs "Sloveni/ Slaveni" comes from PIE klew (to hear) evolving into proto-Slavicslovo/ *slava (word/ fame), finally evolving into Sloveni/ Slaveni (those glorious/ those who understand each other). Meanwhile, the English word for "slave" comes from the Latin word "clavis/ clavus" (a key/ nail), which bore the Latin word "inclavare" (to lock in), ultimately giving rise to the word "sclavus" (slave - "a locked one"), which most likely entered the English language, along with a major portion of Romance words, with the Norman invasion.
Justinian literally had the hardest reign of any emperor maybe in history. Everything was FUBAR. Massive fucking plague, wars on several fronts, a volcanic eruption that caused a year without a summer like Krakatoa did 1300 years later, infinity barbarians to deal with, treacherous nobles, and even an old-timey football riot that nearly turned into a coup.
That he was able to even hold onto power let alone expand the influence of Byzantium back into Egypt and Italy was miraculous. If he were emperor 100 years earlier, the Western Roman Empire would've lasted for another 300 - 400 years.
pay denbts!
There is not one specific reason for Rome falling. Rome was too big for a single event to cause its fall. If I had to pick one reason, it would be the Roman inability to avoid a civil war. These fucks probably spent more time fighting each other than other nations.
That's not what he typed.
I'm esl and I pronounce cunny and cannae the same way
If Napoleon won then we wouldn't have gotten the British Century. The 1800s were the best century ever in no small part because the British were the sole superpower on Earth.
Napoleon’s men won’t lasted hammer of Alexander Suvorov
A couple hundred different reasons all piling up on top of each other to form a mound. A good chunk of them are due to immigration, but you could also lay them at the feet of the emperors mismanaging everything.
The emperors didn't care about Roman people at all in the latter half of the empire's run time. Sure, Nero didn't give a shit about people either, but he at least knew that he had to keep them happy and healthy or else his own power would diminish. Roman Emperors in the 4th and 5th century would rather just invite in Germans to replace their own dying citizens because they didn't give a shit. Rome, to them, was just their powerbase, and the people in the empire were entirely replaceable. As long as SOMEONE was doing the work, they couldn't give less of a shit.
Much like what developed countries are going through these days.
God bless the Bulgarchads
never should have abolished the praetorian guard
kept fucking emperor shits in line
I love pet rabbit
Main "villains" are byzantine remnants
christianity split the empire in two and that was the beginning of the end
Origin of Holy (Roma) Britannia Empire
youtube.com
Where would the American Empire rank? I'm thinking A or S tier. 19th and 20th Century America was pretty peak even if 21st Century America is Weimar-tier.
I subscribe to the theory that drinking water laced with lead eventually made all Romans retarded as shit. Boomers are proof of how living in terrible conditions may cause severe deterioration on a physical and mental level.
lead do be making water sweet tho
don't care, gas all slav(e)s
The power of holy excalibur
en.wikipedia.org
The coalitions would have kept coming after his ass, so he didn't have much of a choice
I put German Empire b+
Ancient Egypt
Yeah, which one son?
Funniest thing is that the words for "work" and "slave/slavery" are very similar in some Slavic languages.
The whole thing from the time of Narmer up through Cleopatra VII.
Nigger it's literally uncontested, non-fringe archaelogy. It just doesn't get pushed or brought up.
I wouldn't. They had a handful of islands and Namibia. Mostly they just antagonized other Europeans and were incredibly cringe. Prussia was pretty cool, but Imperial Germany lasted from 1873 through 1918 and didn't do much besides be the only competent army in WW1.
Them bitching about shotguns shows how mid they were.
They were the longest lasting empire ever and they had anti-semitism written right into their laws. These two things went hand in hand by the way. If they made an accurate Byzantium game, we'd able to spit on the jews as normal greeting to them.
balkans are slav lands, the greeks who lived there for millenia didn't belong there at all
Longest lasting empire
Celts or Indo-Europeans didn't even arrive in Europe at the time, for all we know the ones who made those things were not even humans. Besides it's easy to to preserve your stuff when you live in fucking caves.
spain and HRE in B when they were forces to be reckoned in their peak (specially if you count the habsburg spain as part of the HRE)
chink begs for attention
400 years ain't it
closest your gonna get is asscreed revelations and it was pretty bad.
It's not a power level tier list. And even if it were, the HRE would be lower.
retarded question, first ask yourself why there aren’t many games set in medieval europe
I'm not a Chink, I'm just pointing out the Chinese Empire lasted for longer than the Byzantine Empire did.
But it was split into several dynasties with loads of usurpers!
Yeah, and so was the Byzantine Empire. You gonna tell me that post-4th Crusade Byzantine Empire is the same empire as Justinian's Byzantine Empire? Well then you have to accept that Han China is the same as Tang China is the same as Qing China.
you are a fucking retarded subhuman, there is no suck thing called ''radical islam'', jihadism is the true Islam is just like zealots waging holy crusades is the true christianity
this gay ass modern ''muh tolerant, moderate and (((democracy))) compatible'' islam and christianity is fake heresy
the difference between the two is that nowadays true muslims still exists (so called extermists, terrorists and other buzzwords) but true chrirstians are non-existent, even the most traditional christian chud thinks some of the ''conservative'' politician (read: heretics) are his allies
"Greek" Orthodox should be "Roman" Orthodox desu.
chinese empire
look inside
mongols, manchu, tons of other ethnicities
kys chinksect
Catholic is what they should be if they didn't want to be a footnote in histiory in the year of 1500+525
Okay, and?
Egypt and Japan lasted for longer. Even if you only start counting from the historically attested emperors up through the fall of Imperial Japan in 1945, they still lasted a good 13 centuries to Byzantium's 10. Egypt lasted even longer, even if you only count from Narmer through when they started getting conquered left and right. That would put them at 29 centuries of empire.
and you lost the argument and are just begging for attention in a bat soup induced fever
Almohads saved Al-Andalus from its degeneracy
But I didn't lose the argument, you did. Or what, do you not know that Byzantium had several periods of anarchy and foreign occupation?
cicero cant type with no hands thoughbeit
nice try brown
weak arab taifa cucks being bullied by christians is good for islam
regardless of what periods you select your chink shithole will never compare, you cherrypicking slithering chinksect
You're just going to have to cope and seethe, I'm afraid. China, Japan, and Egypt lasted for longer.
Doubt being Catholic would've saved them from John the 6th
Because when someone thinks rome they think roman republic/empire and when they think greece they think classical greece. Byzantium is just a lame version of both.
caring if anything is good for islam
exactly
brown
Its not very appealing to mainstream audiences. The Byzantines spent most of their existence in decline nor is their influence or impact on western society is as pronounced as the original Roman Empire.
Would have saved them from being bullied around by:
Sultans
Russian tsars
Going to Hell
Losing Constantinople on the feast day of the Holy Spirit.
Jt would be like complaining why nobody made a game about carl gustav sweden. Because when someone thinks of scandinavia they think of vikings, not musket nations.
There was Assassin's Creed Revelations (part of Ezio trilogy) that took place during Byzantine and Ottoman empire rule. Closest thing I can get you guys.
Ah yes being Catholic was truly the pill they needed. Retard
post hands and eyes Zhang. Nobody gives a solitary fuck about gook dynasty number 10 when compared to, say, the Eastern Roman Empire/HRE's blood feud against the Muslim menace
dunking on multiple ethnicities
sucking off the land between europe and the middle east and had the Mediterranean for commerce
come the fuck on
Because when someone thinks rome they think roman republic/empire
Thank the poor education of the modern world. People think Rome died in 476.
Byzantium is lame
Bullshit. It has everything you could want and more.
History of Byzantium is close to the end
Bros... I've been listening to Roman history podcasts for like 15 years.
close to the end
Another 75 episodes at least.
And once you start looking up shit, then you start finding specific areas that really tickle your autism. And then as you deep dive into that you're eventually reading or wanting to write an 800 page book with a title like "Merchant Activity in Northeast Massachusetts: 1770-1800" and a public domain reproduction of an etching of a New England merchant as the front cover.
Ming Dynasty below the Qing Dynasty
you can't be serious, the Qing Dynasty was responsible for the 100 years of humiliation
I think I'd go back in time and save the world from Britannia
Who's your favorite Roman Emperor, Anon Babble?
Does he deserve a game?
Byzantium proves that pixel art > 3dpd
I always imagined Tevinter in the Dragon Age series as s much darker version of Constantinople. Needless to say I was hyped the next game will be set there.
I hate nu-Bioware so much it's unreal.
pic
Context??
american education
its called rome
the romeless empire
Rome is more than a city it is an Idea, even after the sun explodes humanity will still remember the glory of Rome and try to emulate it
How did Britain went from this to a global major superpower?
it got conquered by French
American Empire is S easily and has a case or GOAT simply because it's the only unquestioned global superpower in human history. Rome was a Meditteranean/European power, Britain had to contend with other geat powers but the United States had a 30 year where there wasn't even a question of who ruled the world. Rome is the standard by which everything else is judged though.
Greeks and Romans were only interesting before Christianity. Then they just became a part of the insane fear and shame cult along with the rest of europe and promptly had their culture eliminated
Bannerlord and it's fucking ass
Make it extra gay
wtf is the Swedish empire doing so high up on the list
insane fear and shame cult
jews have feared and shamed Christianity for millenia, that's true
Because none of the poeple from Byzantine Empire know how to make videogames. And someone like Turks won't be making a game about their Christian past.
killing germans, probably
Christian past