"RAYTRACING IS BAD BECAUSE... BECAUSE I CAN'T AFFORD IT OKAY"

"RAYTRACING IS BAD BECAUSE... BECAUSE I CAN'T AFFORD IT OKAY"

Which one is ray tracing?

top

How does racytracing affect gameplay?

Which one is the good one?
The top one looks good, the bottom one looks like my phone when you shine a light on the camera and turn the contrast up to 1000.

The top one, looks more organic.

put a point light inside the house

WOWZERS LE BOUNCE LIGHTING but without losing 200 frames

Scam.

lmao, the bottom one is raytracing? the top looks so much better. nviditroons BTFO!!!

You can achieve bottom ones if the devs arent lazy as fuck. See PS1/PS2 devs

It's bad because it cuts your frames in half for minor aesthetic improvements

why are you lying?

I love ray tracing. Because I love the pre-backed lighting of the video games til mid 00s and hate the dynamic lighting of the mid 00s til pre RT games.

Now we have the same lighting quality as in old games with pre backed lighting but in dynamic.

This is the only kind of ray tracing I'm interested in.

Lets just make every nook and cranny pitch black

Because that's what people want to see when they have a multi-thousand dollar GPU

NOTHING

Only poorfags and autistic retards who obsessive over minor imperfections of current tech hate on ray tracing. Anyone with an appreciation for how far it's come and enjoys what it does for real-time graphics can see the forest through the trees. It's a visual game changer, especially when it's in its whole form with path tracing. Using RT Overdrive in Cyberpunk is night and day visually. Every light casting dynamic soft shadows on everything is insane. Even GTA 5's RTGI is super freaking good for what it is.
Can you have a game with fixed time of day and weather that achieves 90% of the look of real-time RT while performing 90% better? Absolutely. For the right game design this is clearly the superior way and the ONLY way to make certain things work, like VR. Half Life Alyx at times likes hyper realistic and even better than some path traced rendering. Well, that's because it was path traced and baked into lightmaps. That level of quality except with dynamism is the end game goal and we're actually getting pretty close. The only problem is with something like a RTX 5090 (my GPU) the shit is still ridiculously expensive, especially when combined with a modern game that fully leverages the polygonal and scene detail density we expect from a modern game. If things don't completely stagnate with tech advancement, at some point there will be a crossover threshold where it will just become the defacto standard of rendering. I don't think we'll be there in the next console generation, but perhaps the one after that if things keep trending as they are. Then you won't have these 3rd worlder ESLs pretending to not see the difference in screenshots posted by rich White Americans with their big dick PCs because it'll be the standard that even their poor asses can obtain.

Anon Babble tries not to lose its mind the second it sees a word it doesn't understand challenge (IMPOSSIBLE) (INSTANT FAIL)

PROBES OR BAKED LIGHTING DONT EXIST, YOU HAVE TO USE GAYTRACING

STOP KVETCHING AND BUY THE GPU

are people seriously trying to pretend like the top one looks better than the bottom one?

I spent 10x more on a graphics card for 10% better graphics.

That was your choice but don't come here with a sunk cost chip on your shoulder.

The one running at 30fps

Hey my $4000 graphics card can run 4k raytracing at nearly 32 fps. With only a slight drop to 6fps as my 1% low.

Guys will see this and just think "Hell yeah"

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND!
EVERYTHING HAS TO LOOK LIKE A CHEAP 2010's DIGITAL CAMCORDER RECORDING!
DO THE NEEDFUL, BUY THE RTX!

Seeing things
Stealth-oriented games where maybe disturbed diffuse lighting might give you a heads up

OP BTFO

you are a retarded subhuman shill

That's the issue, the 2080 isn't even that old or that bad of a card.

it's almost fucking 7 years old

how does better graphics make VIDEO games better?

buffoon

It slows the game down, giving you more time to think about your financial decisions.

what do you mean you can raytrace on $30 rx 580s

thread OP proves to be correct

my rig runs the ehnahced version of gta online quite well. and its an old rig too.

blocks your path.

Do modern AAA developers even know how to add baked lightning into their game? I feel like UE unironically killed off so many useful graphical tricks that would allows companies to make their game run easier on all hardware.

You can have global illumination with techniques other than baked lighting. Why write an entire essay about a topic you don't understand. The question then becomes, do you take an 80% performance hit to have nicer ambient occlusion on dynamic objects / with dynamic lighting and more accurate reflections and the answer for almost everyone is fuck no, games looked better when artists actually had to think about this shit instead of clicking a toggle that enables the default day night cycle lighting and makes every game look exactly the same.

Top, that’s how real life looks

when you have a good PC you don't notice the performance hit.

Just to be contrarian, the idea is that rtx covers circumstances that artists can’t or wouldn’t think about.

Thief, one of the greatest stealth games of all time, never needed raytracing, nor did Dishonored

I wonder when they'll realize the dynamism isn't worth pricing out so many players at this rate

ARR LOOK SAME

It depends what you want.
I like 240fps.
Some people like 30-50fps but with raytracing at 4k. I'm old enough to remember when playing video games wasn't cool and gamers got along.

How does racytracing affect gameplay?

knocks 50% off your framerate for sharper shadows and an intangible sense of "realism"

Why lie, your 3000 dollar GPU still can't run 4k raytraced games at 60fps. Meanwhile a person plays a 5 year old game like mafia remake and they can't even tell that it isn't using this pointless tech.

I have no idea what point you're trying to make other than you're claiming an authority because you've played games for a time period?

MUHHH GRAPHIXSS!!!

Only a child thinks like this

My 3000 dollar GPU runs everything, and makes your PC look like a console.

Do modern AAA developers even know how to add baked lightning into their game?

No, outsourced India developers copying and pasting Unreal blueprints do not.

I don't need graphics in a video game

yes you do. You're just poor

No I don't. Only toddlers who never played good games in their lives do, as in (you)

you're a child if you want your video games to look good

is this your argument for a video games board?

I mean even with your expensive PC you're often dropping below 60 fps at 4k which I think is unacceptable.

If this the way you want to play then it's worth it for you. I usually buy the 80 series card second hand after the new series of cards come out. It's not like I can't afford a 5090, I could order one right now, but for me it's not worth it, when a card nearly a quarter of the price does everything I want it to.

the idea is that rtx covers circumstances that pajeets wouldn’t think about.

FTFY

Graphics don't make games look good, art style does, child

Enable raytracing

FPS tanks to 30

Q-q-quickly the upscaler!

You weren't running shit at 4k because your card cannot handle it.

I don't notice any FPS drop, also I have to enable a special setting with visual defects and which isn't supported on all games because my FPS tanked so hard.

Everyone has to justify their purchase somehow, I guess lying and coping on the internet about your beta hardware is your method.

The majority of games using raytracing aren't even dynamic. Dynamism is needed in open world slop but not games where an artist carefully chose a specific light direction, time of day and colour palette.

I mean even with your expensive PC you're often dropping below 60 fps at 4k which I think is unacceptable.

When did you see my PC drop to below 60fps at 4k?

dropping below 60 fps at 4k which I think is unacceptable

this
and for what?
it's just NJEWDIA's failed scam, after the crypto crash and before the ai bubble it was all they had
of course they don't care anymore and gamer-shits now

Ray tracing is still a meme. Not enough samples so it requires AI. Doesn't update fast enough. Cuts performance to much. Still a few GPU generations away from even being considered a standard feature.

DLSS was created to run ray tracing. Why do you think anyone should run ray tracing without it?

I've seen benchmarks.
You don't have a secret card that hasn't been benchmarked.

Nta but I too have a 5090, not only is it worth more now than when I bought it but using it to make money it has earned me 5x the value of the computer in two months.

FUCK YOUR FAKE FRAMES

Games barely look any better than they did during the ps3 era but the hardware needed to run them sure costs a lot more.

What game was I playing when this dip occurred?

DLSS is upscaling you dumb fuck

Don't worry poorfag, it'll trickle down to your level eventually.
Wrong. No raster dynamic GI technique can come close to matching what real-time per pixel ray traced GI can achieve. Light leakage, resolution, distance etc are all better with ray tracing than any raster approximation.
Then there are things that simply do not have an equivalent like reflections where at best you have planar mirror surfaces that are too expensive, even more than ray tracing, and are limited to flat planes. Ray traced reflections can be on any surface and angle and just work.
Eventually, this argument won't even exist because path tracing will become the minimum standard that all you poorfags get with your shit tier consoles and graphics cards. Arguing against it today is like being some 15th century retard thinking the earth is flat. Hopefully you'll still be alive by the time your eyes are forced open by the floor being raised to lift your ass up.

I get 60fps

Actually I get 20fps and AI creates two fake frames for every real frame.

Yep, a rock solid 60fps.

If you didn't regret buying your card you wouldn't be here trying to justify it. You sound like someone on their 12th covid booster.

if the game can run the same either way why the fuck would anyone care? graffixcucks don't even like video games they just like to brag about how much money they wasted on an anonymous mongolian basket weaving forum

GTA5 is a ps3/360 game

lol

I have yet to use RT on my 4090 aside from tests/tech demos. Sorry, I’d rather have less input latency, better fps and better motion clarity.

you will never be a woman or real frames

I bought a 5090 and moved my 4090 to my 2nd rig. Then realised I liked the 5090 so much that I couldn't go back to using a 4090 so bought another.
this sort of proves the opposite of your cope

I can go and order 5090 right now without putting much of a dent in my finances, I just don't think it's worth it.

You've never been around wealthy people, you think people who live on credit are rich because they drive a big car, have a big house and big loans to go along with them.

You werent supposed to ask this

Nobody can afford ray tracing. It literally doesn't fucking work on even modern expensive cards. That's why devs are trying act like it's normal to expect consumers to use janky upscaling and even frame interpolation. It doesn't work, on ANY hardware.

I could but I just don't want to

the poorfag excuse of the ages

how do you earn shekels with it?

GPU make money

It's running at 4k!

Ok it's 720p and unscaled.

Yep, my PC runs all these games at 4k.

Dlss was created because they could not run raytracing. The idea that anyone would raytrace anything on a 2000 series Nvidia card is hilarious but that's what they were sold on. If you look at GTA 6 all that raytracing is being done on console hardware running shitty AMD GPUs with no RT cores, it is a software technique they are incorporating judiciously and this would have been the natural drip by drip improvement that would have occured without fucking morons paying 3k for gimmick beta hardware.

OnlyFans

I tried the GTAV Enhanced version the other day, it really looks good, but you can only tell in the wilderness areas, the lighting is fantastic.
It the city, you can barely notice it.
Dumbfuck tried to sell RTX on CP77, what would have made a difference would have been Red Dead 2 or some other game with lots of nature.

Ai spam primarily.

It adds nothing to gameplay. So yes, it is bad.

You've never been around wealthy people, you think people who live on credit are rich because they drive a big car, have a big house and big loans to go along with them.

DLSS was created because they could not run raytracing

That is what I said. It was created to enable real time ray tracing, something which was impossible before Nvidia released RTX GPUs.

but you've never sucked the dick of someone who is rich

the conversation is video cards , poorfag

I think it's the bottom one, as the player character in the top one is too brightly lit despite being in a shaded area.

never happened

Wrong, there are methods that simulate GI but actually they don't exist or matter because I say so.

Muh reflections

I'm fine with screen space reflections mixed with cube maps and so are the vast majority of the gaming audience. Again, play a game like mafia remake and tell me you NEED raytracing.

I know people who can earn 200k in a week. You'd never pick it, you'd call them poorfags because they don't buy the best iof everything.

I don't care who or what you know. The topic is video cards. You're a coping poorfag

The pursuit of realistic graphics is what's bad. We had more engaging and beautiful stylized graphics 10 years ago. Now we've got games that are 500gb and need 32gb of vram all so we can see soulless 8k brick textures made by AI.

You have it backwards. In the city, you have bright and vividly colored large flat structures that reflect tons of light back into shadowed areas which makes the difference between RT global illumination super obvious. In the wilderness, all you really get is some nicer ambient occlusion under foliage and it's much harder to notice the GI. Also there are 0 RT reflections when you're surrounded by dirt, grass, rocks, bushes and trees. Meanwhile in the city, you have tons of reflections on cars and buildings with windows and glass paneling etc.

Yes, it's a band aid over ridiculous beta hardware with no use case since all meaningful raytracing advancements are happening on AMD powered console games that don't have any fucking RT cores.

It's a gimmick ontop of a gimmick to run gimmick games.

I literally drove the car of someone who makes more than you make in a year in a month today.

It's old and falling apart, the plastic has come off the handbrake, he never bothered to fix it.

What a poorfag.

It's not worth the performance hit
144hz+fps feels too damn smooth. I didn't hop off console just to play on the same frames.

I can't run it so it's a gimmick

the old AMDPoor mantra . keep repeating it on a daily basis and it will help with your seething

You are technically correct, but the vibes is different.
The regular baked-in lighting does a good enough job you don't notice as you drive around, it's a marginal improvement.
But in the wilderness, you get a sudden gestalt of realism that you never expected, the same old ps3 mountainside suddenly came into life with the lighting.

I recall them showing a Battlefield raytracing demo prior to the launch of the RTX 2000 series, where you could see another player around the corner because of the reflection in a car door.
I have not really seen any games take advantage of something like this though, most just seem to use it for shadows/GI from what I can tell.

I've been playing cyberpunk and control on repeat for the past 5 years

That's cool man but I'm not autistic

I literally sucked the dick of some rich guy and it smelled funny, this shows nobody needs to get a wash

yes I know you're a faggot

this drastically improves the gameplay and makes you have more fun

I called you AMDPoor, not autistic

playing cyberpunk and control on repeat

lmao, true
There are no new/good games that take advantage of this, if it's not on console,s AAA won't bother, RTX-fags enjoying their remastered slop like VR-cunts

I called you autistic, evidently you're illiterate too. It explains why you're capable of playing cyberpunk for 5 years straight without getting bored.

no new games

so why do you poorfags populate every ray tracing thread with your cope?

Well, if he could afford it, he would fix it right? Isn't that the point you're making?

It was a slow day today, he only got $50 000 AUD worth of crayfish. Maybe he's saving to fix his car, or maybe, he figures it does what he wants it to do so why bother?

Who's to say.
Do you want some sauce for that chip on your shoulder?

this MAY drastically improve the VISUALS and POSSIBLY make you have more fun

fiddy

I fully understand your anger about not having a good PC, but it isn't my fault. Self reflection to your poor life choices is what is required and not blaming random people on the internet.

I've got a 4080 and I'm shitting on you because you're insufferable and I'm willing to bet you're in debt.

Name 5 games.

I do not care about any of your retarded stories. Why the fuck do you keep posting them to me?

I've spent a pretty good length of time going all over the map toggling it on and off to take screenshots for comparison and I quickly found that the wilderness didn't offer much benefit from all the ray tracing features. If you can post some comparisons showing what you mean I'd love to see it but knowing how these technologies work I just fail to understand how it could be so transformative for you when it defies all logic. RT features are at their best in inorganic settings with artificial light sources and unnaturally smooth surfaces.

You have a 4080. You can't shit on me at all.

Because your entire argument hinges on your assertion that if you could afford a 5090 you would buy one.

That's just not the case, most people just think they are terrible value for the price.

I'm still waiting for game names but they don't come, you really did play cyberpunk everyday for the last 5 years? Are you here to advertise Nvidia stock? Why else would you lie about a feature you don't even use.

IDK which is which but I prefer the bottom image.

The 4080 is objectively the smarter purchase, poorfag.

My entire argument is that you're only here because you're a seething poorfag, something which you're proving as time goes on

I like raytracing because screen space reflections are EXTREMELY PREVALENT nowadays and is FUCKING DOGSHIT.
Ah yes, I look down a little bit and the top half of an object disappears. VERY COOL.
There's something special being able to look straight down at a reflective surface and see the ceiling.

You should name some games so I can laugh and dismiss them

So if you don't know any games which require ray tracing why does it bother you?

I think you spent your life savings on your graphics card and are trying to justify it. What did you sell your car?

A telegram spam llm and a llm to do kinky chat/generate pictures would make money for both of those posts.
If you have the know how there is no reason you cannot make these things pay for themselves and more.

Under what metric? It's not the fastest GPU is it? You wouldn't complain if it was 50% faster would you?
It's the GPU which fell into your own personal financial bracket. You could have bought a much cheaper GPU, why didn't you?

Nvidia is pretty set now with military contracts since their new AI toys are running on Nvidia chips. But he really sounds like a shill.

There's something special being able to look straight down at a reflective surface and see the ceiling.

Kek, that's not even how reflective surfaces work. Fresnel reflections only occur at shallow angles well below 90 degrees.

Why are you trying to imagine what my life is like?

Price to performance.
Dollar for dollar the 4080 is the superior card, plus buying it second hand means Nvidia don't get any money from me. Which I'm sure doesn't bother you.

I don't doubt you've tested this shit very well, but for me the RTX in the city did not impress me as much as the coutnryside, which came as surprise.
Just like VR, OLED or even BFI (black frame insertion) this isn't something you can argue over without having experienced it first, and most anons have not.

While I agree, I hate SSR so much that seeing an object still present when I'm not looking at it in a dynamic setting triggers a happy response

So you bought it because that's all you could afford. It wasn't based on anything else other than price.

Because fucking morons like you who lie about playing raytraced games are on here advertising Nvidia stock so morons can buy these overpriced gpus which in turn stagnates the entire industry. I would also be telling you to fuck off if you were trying to tell me RAM sticks should cost 2000 dollars.

Because you're the one calling everyone without a 5090 a poorfag. It's probably the most expensive thing you've ever bought. Show me your series 9 rx7 and I'll be impressed, no one cares about a graphics card that a middle class high school student could save up for and buy, instead of a car.

Look how angry you are because people like using a graphic setting which you can't run.

said the anon regurgitating some Indian scammers bragging on reddit

Are you a Large Language Model?
You better not be. This is why I was telling you stories.

See.

Well, if he could afford it, he would fix it right? Isn't that the point you're making?

It was a slow day today, he only got $50 000 AUD worth of crayfish. Maybe he's saving to fix his car, or maybe, he figures it does what he wants it to do so why bother?

I have severe autism

That's cool man

No I'm not calling everyone without a 5090 a poorfag. I'm calling you a poorfag because you're bitter as fuck because I own something which you don't.
Poorfag

Making money is better than not.

third worldies panic as their slave wages can't keep up with the high end technology anymore

tragic

Shucks.
Oh well

pretending you do is worse

the only people going on about wealth are the poors

If I wanted one I'd buy one. I've got enough money in my access account to buy two, like you did. Sign me up it's not a total waste of money to upgrade a 4080 to a 5090.

What you think I'd do something stupid like buy physical gold instead with the money instead?

Why aren't you paying 3k for RAM and storage? You aren't poor are you? The market could bear it, stagnation of hardware is great, I love games looking like shit because I can pretend I'm rich for owning hardware I pretend to play games on.

You belong in an AI gen porn thread Ranjeet. You got lost on the way and thought it would be a good idea to pretend you play videogames

Why do you think I give a fuck what you do?
I don't care for you or anything about your life.
You seem to care about mine though, why is that?

I can't tell which is supposed to be ray tracing. I'm guessing it's the right? But truth be told they BOTH look like SHIT.

How does 1080p affect gaming?

imagining POOs buying 5090s

is this the new cope???
enough with your fantasies, though

I came here from Anon Babble to relax, and bitch about the fps on Doom the dark ages because I'm a boomer. He honestly talks and argues like the Large Language Model shillbots there.

You're extremely bitter that you missed cpu and gpu crypto mining and now your bitter you're too stupid to take advantage of shit llms to make money off lonely people or gambling addicts.

angry poorfag tries to deflect on to ram storage

do you have a point at all or is 100% seething all you have?

Makes the visuals crusty

How the fuck is a 6 year old card not that old? Back in the day Anon Babble knew upgrading a graphics card every 5 to 6 years was normal. You could wait but you'd know you weren't playing the latest games at good frame rates.

I AM SO MUCH SMART SCAMMER SAAR

lmao, wut

You can't base your argument on calling people poorfags then cry out when people figure you out.

If you're not a Large Language Model shilling Nvidia cards, which is likely because of the military interest in Nvidia cards for AI.

You're definitely a kid who bought a 4090 instead of a car. What did you tell your parents you were getting a car loan then came home with a new graphics card?

If it could ever be incorporated into a stealth game that could be fun. Too bad that's like a dead genre.

Not in an open world game like that.

ever since Njewdia pushed up al their cards above 1K
anons are not going to upgrade to that, too poor + games are wokeslop

I acted like a seething faggot and you called me a poorfag , this can only mean you're ai.

what the fuck planet are you living on you absolute mong

taking money from gambling addicts and lonely people makes you a scammer

This is why you will always remain a wagey, you are your own worst enemy.

Kek he's literally admitting to being a third world scammer. Go home, stop using the English speaking internet, it's not made for you.

Don't forget the other option.

You're a kid who bought a graphics card instead of a car.

That's also possible.

baked lighting works in open world games too retardo

No it won't. It'll be a novelty at best.

lumen off looks better and more like a video game

trying to make everything look like a IRL photograph doesn't work when you have shit trannyware jeet textures

Is shilling tech you don't use all you're going to do or are you actually going to make an on topic post? This isn't an AI gen porn thread.

nvidia is for roblox and fortnite players... they don't even have drivers lol

Worthless eye candy keeping back performance and gameplay computation.

my point is that I now have to argue against things I imagined

lol

RTX was a scam, a failed one.
Ai shit rascued Nvidia and now they don't care how overpriced their cards are, you dumbshit are arguing over a failed marketing scam.

I disabled RT in cyberpunk because the only difference i see between RT disabled and RT ultra is FPS count difference

why have you entered a ray tracing thread to complain about people using ray tracing?

It doesn't.

is GTA5 a ps2 game???
dumbfuck

a proper dynamic lightning engine is miles better than raytracing

show me

How would it not be interesting if the areas you can conceal yourself dynamically change based on light and movement of objects and environment?

Every good game before RTX, wait, that's every game since RTX is optional on everything.

it's ok. I'm here. You can take your time and find a game.

Pathtracing is a huge difference though, you should definitely be using that over RT

Why are you telling me about how you make money by scamming people as a justification for owning a raytracing GPU. Why are you so scared of listing any worthwhile games that need an rtx GPU for raytracing. Why are you wasting everyone's time with your third world shilling.

Nvidia, your pajeet bots are too stupid, they are making your product look worse.

but I am correct, unless you are saying there are no goof games at all... which is to be fair is a common Anon Babble opinion

Why are you telling me about how you make money by scamming people as a justification for owning a raytracing GPU.

That isn't me.

Why are you so scared of listing any worthwhile games that need an rtx GPU for raytracing.

I'm not scared. I just don't want to list games for you to dismiss. It's not my first day here.

Why are you wasting everyone's time with your third world shilling.

You've entered a ray tracing thread to announce that you can afford it and tell people stores of some rich dude you suck off on the regular.
Nobody cares. poorfag

I can afford it, just that that it slogs at 24fps
(That's 6 in real fps with 4x mfg)

Like I said, I came from Anon Babble so indulge me a little schizophrenia.

The US and Western governments are very invested in GPUs and TPUs for their AI projects. The more people buy high end Nvidia GPUs the more powerful their AI botnet is. Power is a huge concern for AI operations, the data centre in Australia at Pine Gap has its own dedicated power station with a direct feed. They also have a vested interest in pushing the technology.

What if the seeming Nvidia shill is actually a Large Language Model ran on Nvidia GPUs and made to shill their products on Anon Babble, in this case Anon Babble

The university of Zurich did a study recently using Large Language Models to change people's opinions on reddit, they were trained using reddit posts so they spoke like redditors, Large Language Models trained on Anon Babble posts would sound like Anons.

Now let me tell you about the Jews.

these games are better

which ones

ummm

I mean if you stare at some place really hard you can kinda tell, but yeah, it's mostly pointless.
It doesn't make a game that much better and won't save shit games iby itself.

Yes, every game is better than RTX ones because there are no native RTX games.
Go on, keep replying.

proper dynamic lighting is better than RT

show me?

ummmn

Because
A, that'll require so much manpower, talent, and programming, which will never work
B, stealth is meant to be played in during the night, not broad daylight where light direction can change
C, enemy AI can barely function in a triple A game, let alone one that has dynamic lighting and high quality raytracing
D, it'll make the stealth worse, because at that point, you'll be playing the waiting game, not just with the enemy's pathing but light direction as well

The way you talk is indistinguishable from the African yahoo boy backing you up. You claim to love this feature and are too scared to tell me when you're actually using it, you have nothing more to say on this topic beyond excuses for why youre too scared to talk about it.

Fpbp

I'm beginning to think that these threads are made by nvidia marketers

I'm in England. I'm white. I speak English. Are you?

chink are buiying up every high end card and pushing their prices up, Njewdia doesn't need more shilling, but yeah, the regular RTX threads are probably paid for... it just basic marketing not a grand conspiracy even ubishit pays to shill here along with reddit

Neither. Bottom is reshade

It's Lumen, the same sort of basic idea that Doom The Dark Ages and the Indiana Jones game are using by having RT passively on at a lesser level to create dynamic shadowing and global illumination, which is mostly for environments that are highly destructible. And yes, the right is the lumen example. This same sort of shit happens in The Finals too because of how destructible its map is (maps are? i don't play it, dunno if it's only one map).
It's basically becoming the engine-level shortcut solution for devs to rely upon now for this sort of shit. I imagine the next Battlefield is going to do the exact same thing.

Nvidia is famous for paying shitposters to shill their products, I would even call them pioneers in this kind of guerrilla marketing. It is inconceivable an AI company with a history of paid shitposters wouldn't be spamming this place with shill bots

DEVILISH~

How do I sign up?

be Indian or Indonesian ;)

Why don't you sign up then? Maybe you'd be able to buy nice computer parts with your earnings rather than spend your day seething about them on the internet?

Fuckers, I WANT to buy a decent GPU, but I'm not paying 2 grand for it, fuck you.

Yeah, the difference is my use of language doesn't mark me as identical to african yahoo boys so I'm not going into threads having to scream
NO ACTUALLY, IM WHITE AND RICH

Too late, they got automated.

SEAnigs game on phones or PC cafes, c'mon bro.
Nobody is going to waste their precious rupees on computers.

Retarded bait thread but I'll bite anyway

implying

I have an RTX 4080. I'd rather have 120+ fps than a miniscule improvement in visuals that cuts down my frames in half.

Because you're poor

just don't be poor, lol

40 series

thirdie detected

it's certainly not because Bethesdsa fired all the white coders and shipped their jobs to South Asia, certainly not!

This. There’s reports of entire shipments being intercepted at the factories (which are of course in China) with retailers never seeing a singular unit but AIBs reporting huge sales. Obviously they pay way over market price because government budgets so AIBs are happy to oblige.

It is inconceivable an AI company with a history of paid shitposters wouldn't be spamming this place with shill bots

It is, you'd be completely naive to think they aren't.

see you're now forced to have raytracing on at all times even at a lesser level instead of it being optional, and it's doing a lot more than simple reflections for dark ages' case. lazy devs have basically fucked your framerate.

obviously bottom, light scatters and doesnt just disappear in shaded areas

Why would console plebs happy with 30fps even care???

That doesn't require raytracing. Thief had extinguishable torches in 1998.

Not a single gpu can run cyberpunk with Path Tracing at stable 60 frames. I get around 50 with frame gen and enabled and stuttering, input lag and artifacts are simply not worth it. I get 85-90 fps with highest settings with rt disabled and that feels perfect with VRR

Dynamic lighting existed before rt lmao. Developers want RT because they can skip doing dynamic lighting in their game all together with that.

I get 85-90 fps

What GPU? It seems awfully low.

I can actually run doom eternal on ultra nightmare with raytracing at 240 fps at 1080p because I'm a boomer and it all looks the same to me. But it goes to show the difference in optimisation.

Yeah and being lazy using the capabilities of the new cards instead of real optimisation. For a game like Doom not to be able to hit 120fps on mid range hardware is a bit disappointing. I'm not sure if I want to buy it at the price.

4080 super/2k

I find it funny how the video game industry managed to make people think that raytracing is a benefit for the player. If you read up on the tech even a little bit, one would find out it isn't.
Raytracing is a tech to calculate light and shadows -or sound as far as I'm aware- instead of having to use a different method such as baking them in like the PS1-2 era. Raytracing is for the developers. Anything it can do, currently, can literally be done with other methods. Sure it may be more difficult but it still doable. Yet the industry managed to make people think that it actually impacts the players when it's a development technique. Thus it's also a marketing ploy.

Raytracing isn't -or shouldn't be- the problem of the players at all. Fascinating really.

90 fps in cyberpunk

awfully low

Have you ever played cyberpunk or youre just shilling

youtube.com/watch?v=qXfdneeIZnw

What an unoptimized piece of shit Jesus Christ.
Yes it is low because that piece of shit's visuals don't warrant that low of a frame rate.

its not perfect, therefore its worthless

?

imagine if they tried to sell GPUs based on normal mapping, it's recocklulous bullshit

Is this a real comparison? Literally just looks like color correction, which should cost 0fps to perform.

it doesn't work as described, with glaring side effects that make the experience worse

yes

pre backed lighting

Kek

BRO, IT'S REAL LIGHT BRO
THEY BOUNCE AND SHIT
IT's REAL
REEEEEAALLLLLL

I can't tell

yes you can

>it doesn't work as described

it does tho

glaring side effects

dev issue, not technology issue

that make the experience worse

works on my machine.

Perhaps but not enough to pay 2K$ for it, it's a marginal improvement at best, and you PLAY games not look at them like a pixel peeping autist.

Yeah, that's why I bought that program. I actually made that render to go with a piece of music.

then I shall wait until devs "fix" it

looks pretty cool, but doesn't seem to be worth the performance hit quite yet.

BECAUSE I CAN'T AFFORD IT OKAY"

yeh we know.

This kind of shit annoys me because you can LITERALLY just use reshade and turn the left into the right. Such a fucking waste.

what's hilarious is that raytracing doesn't even need to be expensive.

research.nvidia.com/publication/2021-06_restir-gi-path-resampling-real-time-path-tracing

we've had cheap raytracing for ages already but nobody uses it

Shit post more

I can afford it just fine. but just because you can afford something doesn't make it worth the cost.
I'm not going to pay a huge amount extra for a new car with a special niche feature

Cheap RT cant sell expensive gpus

no you cant
ray tracing isnt path tracing
ray tracing is ray tracing
path tracing is path tracing
they are different technologies
also path tracing is even more intensive to use.

I'm not going to pay a huge amount extra for a new car with a special niche feature

sounds like you cant afford it then.
someone who could afford it wouldnt be talking about the price.

You can get like 97% of the way there. Most of the RT on/off pictures are just some bounced lighting and more colors and maybe some bland reflections.
It's the most boring use of it and the games barely look any different with it on.

I'm phoneposting at the minute so I've only got a couple

i think i can turn up the brightness without a new gpu

the only way to do ray tracing is to do ray tracing
if you are getting ray tracing results from a reshade than that reshade is using ray tracing

Gotta have an orb.

The method doesn't matter, it's the result that matters.

Who has said they're rich in this thread?

yes, just give us more money without being a critical and aware consumer

Why do trannies like ray tracing so much?

why can't you just admit that you're priced out of running it?

fake women love fake frames

The method doesn't matter

it does actually

it's the result that matters.

the result comes from the method
red method = red frames
blue method = blue frames
you will never get blue frames from red method.

why are all the responses about how much it costs, followed by "I can afford it though"?

Are you stupid? The main emphasis is on games not video. Go back and take some English courses on grammar, ESL.

It really doesn't and you're being a fag. You probably don't even have a PC.

What GPU do you have?

Played through all of cyberpunk with pathtracing on my little 5070ti, looked and played great.

dont spend money on anything

you sound like the kike here rabbi.
because they dont actually understand what it means to afford something.
they think that because they have $xxx they can afford something that costs $xxx
when in reality you need $xxxxx to afford $xxx

The bottom comparison is everything wrong with the photorealism mindset. Why do you need perfectly accurate reflections in a world where your bright red trees are 50 feet away from frozen conifers and the clouds are giant glowing blobs in the sky? The video game medium allows you to go anywhere you want with visuals and you just want exactly the same thing you see in real life? Imagine if the goal of other mediums like painting or film making was to just perfectly imitate real life visuals. No stylization, no interpretation, just a 1:1 copy of what we normally see. We wouldn't accept that in any other medium but for some reason it's apparently the pinnacle of video games that we're striving for. All of the classics in video gaming didn't need photorealistic graphics so why do we need it now? It's empty progress for the sake of progress.

could you link to the reshade used in that image?

I can enable HDR on my oled monitor and get the same results with no performance hit

It's empty progress for the sake of progress.

it's progress which will eventually lead to much better things. It has to start somewhere.

he doesn't make his own

Cringe.

photorealism

actually its photon-realism

thats not how hdr works
i dont use reshades because they always without exception make the game look worse.
and i asked because there is a good chance that reshade uses RTGI, even if you arent directly aware of it.

Maybe, but that is the result im going to see if I enable it.

Its so fucking absurd. look at this shit. 30 years are going to pass the next time they decide to make another GTA after 6

It's not even really proper reflections either, it's just by default some expanded screen space reflection. You still have to set the proper hardware raytracing on in Fortnite to get REAL reflections. PS5 Pro does that by default, but honestly that implies you're an idiot that bought a PS5 Pro.

It's empty progress for the sake of progress.

wrong
GFX is the only thing that sells games, look at GTA, EXACTLY THE SAME GAME 5 times in a roll, arguably worse gameplay peaking with 4

I see glitches that take me out of the experience with every game these days.
I don't know if it's gay tracing but I hate it.

screen space reflection.

ray tracing has nothing to do with ssr tho

Based

GTA6 will be the last one anon.
It will smoothly transition into a forever GAAS like Fortnite with regular updates until you die.

that's the point, anon; UE5 Lumen is solely global illumination/shadowing, so that other anon going on about the reflections is still seeing what amounts to souped up SSR; it's not fully raytraced reflections in the image. plus i've seen it multiple times in several games, even in Oblivion Remastered, where they're so paranoid of pixelation on reflective surfaces that they'll pair SSR and RT reflections together, which just results in MORE artifacting and obvious compromises.

RTX gives you micro-stuttering instead.

nah
you cant prove its ssr

VIDEO game

raytracing reduces games to a slideshow unless you use fake frames that make everything blurry

Nigger.

from one of their own things last year, yes I can

one of the

Thief TDP 'is' the greatest stealth game of all time.

GAYtracing when it was first being sold to consoomers

REFLECTION BIG BIG SHINY! RTX ON LOOK!! RTX OFF RTX ON!! EPIC!!! GRAPHICAL LEAP!!

how GAYtracing is used in reality

ok now that we dont have to keep hiring lighting artists to make beautiful and performant raster graphics we can lay off half of our art teams and not bother optimizing shit because we can use DLSS to cover up the work we didn't do, oh and yes, games will run worse and look worse compared to cyberpunk/rdr2 for generations, and yes you will pay 80 dollars despite games being cheaper to make while buying a thousand dollar graphics card to run games on medium. problem, goyim?

this isnt ssr

PHOTO realistic game for a reason chud

youtu.be/HrYk0J9-ITY?t=280

spend $3000

changes so minor you'd have to literally look for the improvements

meanwhile fps drops that a child could notice it

bro?
your timestamp didnt link to you being right
and im not watching the whole video
try again

gaytracing for a cartoon game most players run on phones and on cheapest xbox/ps4

what a joke

How are you playing Dark ages when even the early access isn't up yet?

and enjoys what it does for real-time graphics

objectively very little that can't be achieved with tricks that are better suited for real time graphics.

ray tracing needs to fuck off and stay fuck off, but the only reason it's not staying fuck off is because retarded consoomer cattle doesn't nootice that games actually look and run worse comparatively to games that also have a raster side render stack, and publishers loving the cost saving side of the bargain.

ray tracing has essentially killed graphical innovation. we now have a standard of rendering that means you need to pay 1000 dollars to run games on medium at sub native res that don't look better than skillfully crafted raster graphics. microsoft is already only shipping games with hardware raytracing support so it's clear thats where the industry is heading.

reduces games to slideshow

only on thirdy pcs

makes everything blurry

only on thirdy resolutions

Because Nvidia marketers told them to say raytracing even when Eternal only implements raytraced reflections. For example GTA V has raytraced shadows, reflections, global illumination, and ambient occlusion. Then there is path tracing for some games that combines many of those but runs so slow practically no one can run it.

Raytracing isn't worth the performance cost.

Kek, op btfo

sanjay thinks he's not a thirdie because he bought iphone on credit argument

it just looks like different times of the day

Add raytracing to old game

It instantly looks better than maxed out raytraced Cyberpunk

Why is this the case?

is that the only argument you have, thirdy?

If you played Cyberpunk without RTX then you didn't beat the game. Harsh reality for Anon Babbleermin but its true.

game lighting changed with a different lighting engine

no shit sherlock

funny enough on weaker/older hardware they just turn off lumen entirely
but because they base so much of the game's base graphics around lumen now, that means the ONLY lighting in the game is from direct sunlight and rare specific sources, everything else may as well be fullbright indoors now

Ambient occlusion is the most fucky things about the non-RT.
This corner receives more light but it as dark as the other corners because the AO algo uses only nearby information.

Tested it on a 9070 in multiple vidya at 1440p resolution.

lose 70% performance

forced to upscale to reach playable framerates

broken in most games

half the time traditional lighting looks better

Whats the point of this gimmick again? To sell more RTX cards?

Guess which side has raytracing on.

Why is it so foggy and blurry? Does it not have enough raytracing?

could make it look better with baked light.

the only downside is that you have to make every scene twice. but thats how it always been and now graphicjews just want you to pay more money for more expensive gpus to allow publishers save money.

How would it not be interesting if the areas you can conceal yourself dynamically change based on light and movement of objects and environment?

Meanwhile, in a Doom 3 mod made by hobbyists running on 10 year old hardware...

baked lighting

in a game with time of day

lol

dont see how thats a problem when gtavc did it 20 years ago

No and maybe since MH Wilds only does RT reflections you can't tell from this screenshot.

To be fair, Doom 3 has a dynamic lighting method of shadowing built into its version of IdTech that is pretty neat, but only mods really got to make any good use of it so it wasn't razor-thin stencil shadows into deep darkness. It's one of the engines I genuinely do want to see RT implemented in by fans as a mod novelty just to compare the shadows. Shit like this was intended to be in Halo 2 but the Xbox just couldn't handle it.

20 years ago Doom 3 was doing dynamic lighting with 512MB of VRAM and tiny GPUs. Baked lighting is dead and gone, you can get similar performance with real lighting.

Raytracing looks like shit. I don't give a fuck about realism, I want it to be visually readable. Having blurry strobe light bullshit running at a whopping 20 FPS is the opposite of that.

instantly improves your game

nope. static scenes it's still the industry norm for renders. and will always be.

for renders

Yeah not for gameplay. Maybe you can get away with baked lighting indoors sometimes, but anywhere outside in a modern game you'll want dynamic lighting.

you can get similar performance with real lighting

So why do I have to cut my resolution in half and force gay upscaling cancer to get playable frames when I enable goy tracing?

Learn to fucking read before you embarrass the race further, fucker. I said dynamic lighting, not raytracing. Someone better beat some fucking sense into you before your life depends on being observant.

improves

its always a combination of the two. 90% of the lights in this are baked. the signs are static so the lights can be static as well. 0 reason to start paying prohibitively expensive render costs for 0 effect.

when gtavc did it 20 years ago

youtube.com/watch?v=OfiQGKfEOuE
notice how none of the shadows change?
notice how none of the lighting or reflections are even remotely realistic?
fucking retard
and how its done in other games is they just bake the lighting in intervals and transition between them to simulate a day night cycle
youtube.com/watch?v=pAjJNtkL0XM
it looks dynamic but its not, its all smoke and mirrors

So why do I have to cut my resolution in half and force gay upscaling cancer to get playable frames when I enable goy tracing?

just say you are poor and move on bro.

90% of the lights in this are baked. the signs are static so the lights can be static as well. 0 reason to start paying prohibitively expensive render costs for 0 effect.

thats fucking wrong actually
with rtx on they are not baked
retard

seems like Mario Kart World is more your speed. it's all gameplay and zero graphics ;^)

muh rtx

Get some real shadows faggot

No, im not buying a 5090 for 5 grand since even that card barely reaches 60 fps in Doom Dark Ages with forced goy tracing.
RX 9070 is one of the strongest cards on the market and even that cant do decent Ray tracing at 1440p. Just admit its a meme already you dumb shill.

Fun gameplay > fancy graphics

with rtx on they are not baked

they are you dumb nigger. go play cp77 with all ray tracing effects off and you can see the point lights.

No, im not buying a 5090 for 5 grand

so you are poor
got it.
thanks for conceding

sharp shadows from thin wires from an area light source

get real shadows

what, you wont buy this brown paper bag filled with dog shit for 50 bucks?

you poor or smth lmao

turn off rtx and you wont see rtx

wow you are a fucking genius anon.

That webm was using shadow maps, not the Doom 3 style stencil shadows. The Dark Mod lets you choose which method you want to use.

yes
a rich person could buy it no problem
you arent a poor are you anon?

Have RTX GPU

Install Oblivion Remastered

it has built in RTX support

forcefully disable it through ini

experience zero issues or stutters on ultra graphics

yes but what if you can have both

point light

rtx

don't try to argue things beyond you lil nigga

Sexwayaku sexune no Sexno San.

SOMEBODY TELL TODD
STOP IT
STOOOOOP

off is better because it looks faker

???

We've had this thread billions of times and the problem remains the same.
What is the point of a $5000 gpu with RAY TRACING!!!! if it can't render graphics properly?
It's 2025. When GPUs can't figure out how to render a yellow-green shirt better than GPUs in 2013 then it's not an advancement, it's a regression.

90% of the lights in this are baked.

this was a fucking lie tho
if you have rtx turned on they arent baked anymore
retard

To sell more RTX cards?

Yep.

What is the point of a $5000 gpu with RAY TRACING!!!! if it can't render graphics properly?

thats a lens flare

It's the light being rendered through the objects. Sam as the bottom of the left wall. Ray Tracing is a massive flop and if you bought one you are a moron.

The GPU does whatever postprocessing nonsense it's programmed to do. That's not hardware related.

raytracing invented lightning

Genuine question here. What is it with pajeets and claiming they invented something that has existed for several decades? I keep seeing it happen and its always pajeets pushing it

A billion dollar marketing campaign vs one sincere anon, who would win?

Cyberpunk barely has any RT sources lol especially global ones, thats why there’s no fucking difference between rt/non-rt. you can expect the spotlights at the tower to be ray traced and thats it lol.

Havent animated films been using Ray tracing tech since forever?

RT at the cost of -60 fps

yeah fuck you, you waste of oxygen

so this dumb lil nibba thinks baked light and "rtx" are mutually exclusive

do you even know what baked light is, lil nibba?

All lighting is technically traced from a source of some sort, whether it's a direct projection, or ray-traced. If it's ray-traced, it's got a sort of global illumination, bounce lighting and so forth. Yeah, 3D animated films have been doing this for ages, even Toy Story as a pioneering film did it. And that technique has been used in video games for a long while as well to pre-bake lighting that was a part of the maps used in various engines, never actually real-time rendered.

The thing about those 3D CGI movies using rays is that it was rendered frame-by-frame onto film, using workstation computers, and back then it could take hours, perhaps even days to render out single scenes. As technology advanced and CPU processing became more efficient, this became less of a struggle. But I still can't call real-time ray-tracing to actually BE the full real deal just yet given how many concessions we're suffering here and how much this is offloading entirely on pre-developed cores on the GPU side of things.

I think that might be the fog

It's the light being rendered through the objects

nope
its a lens flare

yes, I learned to use Maya ~20 years ago in school and each frame of 480x720 image used to take ~20 minutes to render, they spend months to render animated films in larger render farms... much faster now of course, the thing that are trying to market is real time raytracing, it "at least" 60 fps

>raytracing invented lightning

who are you quoting?

I just hate everything I can't run on my GTX1080Ti.

this thread

source: my ass

baked lighting is pre-rendered
aka not real time
or you could split a scene into multiple parts and bake each one and then comp it back together(less needed these days even without ray tracing)
you can also bake physics simulations

GTX1080Ti

There is nothing that can't run on this beast
(at 1080p, no fagtracing)

Modern RT is “real time ray tracing”, thats not new technology retard. HL2 had fully ray traced lighting back in 2004. Baked in lighting doesn’t mean that it cant be ray traced. Modern RT use is just another example of lazy devs not doing their fucking job at the expense of performance

Disable rt and compare screens, I can guarantee you that only reflections from spotlights will change

Is that a setting that tanks your FPS by 50%? No thanks I will never use it.

turn rtx off and you will see no rtx

bro
what do you think you are even saying
of course its a spotlight if you dont have rtx on
fucking retard

lol

baked lightinging is pre-rendered

lol, keep talking i wanna see where this goes

or you could split a scene into multiple parts and bake each one and then comp it back together

what do you think baking light means lol

It'd be cool if someone made a horror game based on mirrors and reflections.

not even the same scene or time of day retardo >turn rtx off and you will see no rtx

what is "rtx" ?

Keep coping lol they were taken seconds apart.

im literally right you fucking schizo
"Light baking is the process of pre-calculating the lighting"
rtx is ray tracing retard

the one that looks worse

READ NIGGA READ

pre-calculating

you said pre-rendering

creating a texture is not "pre-rendering" lmao

and what does ray tracing do

you said pre-rendering

WHAT DO YOU THINK RENDERING IS
NO REALLY
WHAT DO YOU THINK A COMPUTER IS DOING WHEN IT IS RENDERING
HOLY FUCK

He's right, you didn't beat the game.

Go buy a console if your third world ass can't handle it

prerendering refers to generating a render, which is a video or a 3d model or static scene, baking to precalculating scene data. now explain what do you think "ray tracing" is and what is it doing in your scene

Even phones ship with RT cores these days. It's obviously the future even if it comes slow. It's gonna be like 10 years after Nvidia announced "ray tracing is here" before path tracing is viable for most people. lol

Because it makes graphics worse only for 1.5k dorraroos.

RT cores

no such thing retard

generating

aka calculating
fucking retard

your scene

thats not me
moron

Ray tracing is a computer graphics technique that simulates how light behaves in the real world to create more realistic images.

"what is it doing"
its simulating the light coming from objects the developers have designated as light sources
like walking a dog with no legs

meanwhile video games haven't been good for 2 decades when 95% of them looked like garbage

Raytracing works great at lower resolution settings
lmao those suckers who fell for the 4k meme. enjoying your 6 FPS because of how current hardware can't do both, bros? 2kbro here feeling comfy with RTX: ON

no such thing retard

uhhh lil bro?

If you want the fixed-function RT part of the chip be called something else I'm sure you can send a suggestion to Huang.

Just buy 2 cards lol.

You will never be a woman

aka calculating

nope. not a single person in the history of 3d graphics has said "i'm going to prerender some lightmaps now"

thats not me

why did you try to lie? same exact retardo speek, same exact obsession with the word "rtx"

like walking a dog with no legs

what the fuck are you talking about

can you just explain what you think your "rtx" is doing in this scene and this time don't try to lie and cope that the retard who said it's not baked was not you.

You fags spend 24/7 seething about Switch 2 prices.

What did I lie about? I posted a screenshot showing RTX on vs RTX off
Keep coping schizo

it's bad because it's becoming forced
gives you a cinematic framerate

dont lie.

this dumb nigga clearly you.

now stop avoiding the question. tick tock, tick tock.

3d graphics has said "i'm going to prerender some lightmaps now"

i have when i used to work as a freelance vfx artist like 15 years ago
i couldnt afford to buy the gpu rendering plugins so i just used the built in cpu rendering
so in order to efficiently render larger projects i would have to bake(pre render)most of the lighting/physics simulations in smaller pieces and them comp them back together at the end.
the workflow was dogshit but thats how you made it work.

Keep dilating.

what the fuck are you talking about

im saying im dragging you nigga
oh i get it, you are esl.
it all makes sense now.

the question was rhethoric because you thought you could avoid the question

now, can you answer the question you tried to avoid

can you just explain what you think your "rtx" is doing in this scene and this time don't try to lie and cope that the retard who said it's not baked was not you.

reddit spacing

How does ambient occlusion affect gameplay?

3 replies without you addressing the point, so i take it you are abandoning your argument and conceeding defeat. thank you.

Raytracing is bad because it gives Nvidia a monopoly and makes game devs EVEN MORE LAZY

daily reminder

graphics should have stopped in 2003, the gpu market is just corruption

If you willingly destroy your framerates with 4k and raytracing you don't actually like playing games
Visuals wear off quickly, high framerate stays with you and you will feel its loss at all times
I can't imagine willingly playing games at below 120 nowadays

i addressed the point multiple times
you just keep asking what x means and fighting ghosts.

destroy your framerates

we get it, you are poor.
just start with that next time

If you are #1 on this chart, you are going to see obvious benefits with raytracing. People who are 5 literally cannot tell how lighting works and don't see a difference between RTX On and Off.

thats still not what you'd use if trying to be factual, especially if you were some random retard on Anon Babble trying to win an "actchyally" argument. and claiming the scene has no point lights or baked light, when it's obvious and you can even see the baked lightmass and point lights

good you came back, now point out the ray tracing features showcased in

i addressed the point multiple times

no you just kept saying some tangential shit and when asked to explain what you think your "rtx" does in the scene you went silent.

claiming the scene has no point lights or baked light

it doesnt
when rtx is turned on there are no point lights or baked lights
the point of rtx is to remove baked lighting

you went silent.

i didnt
you lost track of the conversation

Sums it up really. The one that's running at 20fps.

when rtx is turned on there are no point lights or baked lights

the point of rtx is to remove baked lighting

so what is generating the light, lil nibba

Mind naming one card where enabling either doesn't halve your framerate?

you lost track of the conversation

then point out where you responded to >can you just explain what you think your "rtx" is doing in this scene and this time don't try to lie and cope that the retard who said it's not baked was not you.

read it lil nibba, it's not going to hurt you. then answer it.

so what is generating the light

the object that is designated as a light source

A point light is a light source that emits light evenly in all directions from a single point.

point lights are used in baked lighting
not in ray traced lighting

It was always fullbright everywhere with the shadows off, even before the UE5 update

frame rate depends on the game
retard
it also depends on how the developers implemented ray tracing
there is no "x card reduces fps by 50 with rtx on"
that literally doesnt exist
you are asking a question with no answer.

the object that is designated as a light source

so, this light, what is it? what type of light? come on. you're almost there!!!

point lights are used in baked lighting

not in ray traced lighting

so ray tracing cannot be done from a light source that emits in all directions? can you explain why we have rtgi then? how does rtgi work?

also which one of the posts you linked answers to ">can you just explain what you think your "rtx" is doing in this scene"? either you linked the wrong ones or you are "losing track of the conversation"

It depends!!!

Cope answer

Thief 2: The Metal Age 'is' the greatest stealth game of all time.

Fix'd that for you bud. :)

so, this light, what is it? what type of light? come on. you're almost there!!!

anon you do(you dont of course) realize that a light that comes from a point and a point light are 2 completely different things right? a point light is the name of a specific thing.
just because light is coming from something doesnt make that thing a point light.
retard

so ray tracing cannot be done from a light source that emits in all directions?

sure
but that has nothing to do with point lights
point lights are not objects
but they are (usually) attacked to objects to make it seem like the light is coming from that object
for example if you create a lightbulb that is supposed to be emitting light then you model the bulb then you create a point light for that bulb and put them in the same location
ray tracing means you dont have to do this
you could
but you dont have to
and usually its much easier not to

"what is it doing"
its simulating the light coming from objects the developers have designated as light sources
like walking a dog with no legs
"what is it doing"
its simulating the light coming from objects the developers have designated as light sources
like walking a dog with no legs

stupid bitch

You're only making money from crapto if you sell them

So sloppa spam

I thought that was Goku when i skimmed over the thumbnail. The plant in the background is shaped like his hair.

point light cannot be a source light

aight thx for saving me from having to get thru that esl babble

...Gameplay?

Do you want a banana?

just making shit up

are you incapable of engaging in good faith?

They used to just put a brightness lnob on your tv

Ones brighter than the other!

Surely that requires $500 more and 200 cut frames!

You know you can just tweak your monitor color saturation for the same effect, right?

download game

enable virtual resolution 4k -> 1080p monitor

download and install TAA removal mod

open settings

ambient occlusion: OFF

lens flare: OFF

chromatic aberration: OFF

film grain: OFF

motion blur: OFF

ray tracing: OFF

upscaling method: NONE

save and close

start new game

Raytracing retards: HAHA HAHA LOOK! RAYTRACING LOOKS BETTER THAN shitting skylighting+AO.

Meanwhile Threat Interactive is rightfully calling out this bullshit propaganda. He literally used that EXACT comparison and put it to shame by calling out the oversimplified approach in the top image: youtu.be/SYUL1tt_olk?t=1184

We need more lighting solutions like Svogi or whatever the the fuck days gone uses: youtu.be/2IeYOECebTA?t=524

right

wrong

lmao you're just poor

I will never understand this argument, 90% of the people who buy games can't afford top of the line hardware, so makes sense to ask for game developers to optimize their games for 90% of their audience.

Even then, most retards saying this here just want to rile people up, so maybe it's time to stop browsing this godforsaken board

Raytracing is a meme because what it can do doesn't mean the developers will make it worth doing. You're telling me I need a thousand dollar card, twenty to thirty frames, and to run this game at 1080 or 1440p on my 4k monitor to get what could be done if the developer took more time to compose a scene's lighting?
It's a powerful tool, but it is a very dangerously crutch shaped tool that we don't need right now in this age of immense incompetency and shitfuckall optimization. Not to mention that once this shit beomes automated, developers will lose the secret sauce of deliberate scene and spatial composition. We've already lost quite a bit if the yellow paint epidemic demonstrates anything about how well developers can create a readable environment.

RTX: off

done if the developer took more time to compose a scene's lighting?

it cant tho
you cant fake ray tracing
you can fake real time/dynamic lighting
but you cant fake ray tracing

and you will never go back to a time where most games have baked lighting because ray tracing makes development faster and easier and cheaper.
ray tracing is simply a new tool that most developers are not skilled enough to use properly.
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but that would be unfair considering i use my cock to fuck your mum every night.
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hiding in what I believed to be a safe spot

cloud in sky moves, ray of light hits my position

WHO'S THERE

reload

Wow such engaging gameplay

You do a lot of thinking about penises, from corporate cock to the one you wish you had

The 1080ti is the greatest video card ever made and nvidia will never be dumb enough it make one like it again.

rent free

damn this guy is the biggest trvthnvke ive seen

Really? You could get paid quite well to keep your head full of dicks. You're fumbling the bag.

Report the guy itt who keeps spouting poor and other retarded PC shit he's instigating flamewars and trolling outside of Anon Babble. The mod already banned 2 people here that I reported.

sadly none of what he says will ever be put to good use
corpos would rather spend the money spent on people who can do this shit competently on marketing because they know that shit isn't good enough for word of mouth

every screenshot posted shows RTX looking worse

I'm expected to pay $2000 for that

you're not expected to pay more, just to want less framerate and then cope with upscaling and framegen destroying the benefit of giving a shit about lighting while fucking up everything else

Make that 3 people now since I refresh the page and now a post is missing up there

Also a lot of PHONE retards here too. They don't own a desktop or laptop. You can tell by mobile filenames and auto correct fuckups. If they actually owned a RTX 5090 or whatever they are larping they would know their RTX GPU drivers are pic related today.

is this natty?

Maybe if you wear clothes thsz glow by themselves for some reason. The lighting is completely fucked