How come they get so much shit? I get it from an in-universe standpoint, but they're a great faction with lots of immersive quests that contribute to Morrowind's already amazing world building. Impersonating an enemy noble to steal secret plans, forge documents while getting a basic understanding of landownership on Vvardenfell, strip naked in front of older men, truly, it's an amazing questline. How come people can't see past their prejudices and immerse themselves into the role of a cutthroat merchant prince (or at least the errand boy of one)?
How come they get so much shit? I get it from an in-universe standpoint...
sellout imperial lapdogs
They're corrupt assholes in the pocket of a super racist Dark Elf mafia, and this is even worse in Tamriel Rebuilt where entire Hlaalu towns are just no-go areas for Outlanders. That one fishing town ends up being half - depopulated after a handful of non-house related quests due to how evil they are, as just helping a few unrelated people results in you needing to kill half the town to stay alive. It starts feeling like Resident Evil Village after a point.
It's their fault that Morrowind collapsed at the start of the 4e
Remember Redoran
All of these are in-game explanations of why to hate the faction. I think the fact people still have so strong opinions about the house speaks volumes of how well implemented it was into the setting
Hlaalu is kicked off the council
Telvanni is massacred on the mainland
Dres loses their slaves so they are going to go broke with no one to pick their saltrice
Skyrim lore really fucked the old houses
That's ironic, since a lot of people hate them because they perceive them as imperial dicksuckers that give up the dunmer-way (contrary to based redorans).
But yeah, if you dig just a bit deeper you'll realize that the hlaalu are doing all manners of shady shit behind the imperials back, with some of the most racist dunmer in their ranks.
Their quests are pretty cool and their fortress is peak comfy (and very easy to travel to without spellcasting).
In base game their content is the weakest while Telvanni has the coolest characters and the most unique crap in general, it's funny how it's the other way around in TR
I could imagine a few reasons
They're not normie enough but also not weird enough to appeal to the normies or the contrarians like Redoran or Telvanni, respectively. (I know contrarian isn't really the right word, but any other term eludes me). The other part is that the favoured way of dealing with issues for the Hlaalu doesn't really play that well in Morrowind.
Regular melee combat works really well, but is covered by House Redoran. Same goes for magic and House Telvanni.
But sneak is janky at best, and intrigue kinda boils down to bribes to raise disposition or plain old murder.
So you end with a house that is designed around mechanics that don't allow much fun right away for many players
And finally, what said. They are incredibly corrupt, not really appealing to join.
Made a mage to go Telvanni this time for TR
SHIT.
Also, I only have 30 END and no major or minor skills to boost it. Should I try to get that up or are lategame mages so bullshit it won't matter that I have no health?
Skyrim lore really fucked the Dunmer
ftfy
Oddly enough, it didn't even feel like they were shitting on Morrowind
late game mages are next level bullshit but you need health. One reflected spell and you're toast.
Any skills with END as their attribute will apply the bonus, go train Spear for dirt cheap in Balmora and pump those numbers up. Maj/Misc only applies to level ups
They have some though competition when Telvanni exists. Redoran is the really boring house though, I can't even remember any of their quests
If you are able to abuse the system enough, it won't matter much. Though could take you a while to get to that point. It could be a good idea to pay some trainer to boost some endurance-related skill in order to add a few points to that.
Always hated that staves were in the blunt-group of skills instead of polearms. Mages can make use of some END while STR really isn't that important for them.
Yeah, no matter how annoyingly pious the Indoril are, how batshit insane the Telvanni are, or how Uppity the Redoran are, they at least tolerate you being there if you mind your own business and maybe help the community.
Hlaalu claim to be your ally but the rank and file guys are almost all Cammona Tong and want to slit your throat openly. Even if you become grandmaster most of them want you to fuck off and die for not being a natural born Dunmer of Resdayn.
Southwest Vvardenfell is where most of civilization is clustered in the lore and in development it clearly got the most which makes sense just draw a circle from Seyda Neen and go outward. The Grazelands on the other side of the world is a ghost town with Vos not having a single solitary quest to do in it.
If you bittercup and get a endurance draining disease you won't be able to regenerate health or stamina from waiting and resting. This is probably the most fun way to play the game if you disregard the comments people give you about visiting a shrine to cure your shit
House Indoril being extremely pious makes sense at least since they're literally the clan Nerevar and Ayem come from
What are some cool OpenMW combat mods that retain the RNG of vanilla?
If anything it was only a matter of time. They were done the second you destroyed the Heart of Lorkan since it was the Red Tower's Stone.
Look forward to the Empire suffering a similar fate in the next game since the White-Gold Tower lost its stone in Oblivion and the clock's been ticking.
Explain
I don't know any of this Tower stuff
How come people can't see past their prejudices and immerse themselves into the role of a cutthroat merchant prince (or at least the errand boy of one)?
I did a TR playthrough like this as a Breton mercenary who aspired to become Hlaalu's hypothetical top guy after seeing the fancy manor in Bal Foyen. Was p neat.
There aren't really any convincing non-rp reasons for being a coniving skullduggerous s'wit in game though, you get ample rewards for being morally upright so most ppl probably just prefer to do that.
Their questline align most with a stealth character and stealth gameplay is shit in Morrowind.
He's an idiot, the towers don't matter. The heart of lorkhan did though, because it was the source of power for the tribunal, who had been hard carrying the entire dunmer race for thousands of years
How much can you serve Indoril in TR right now?
can't join em till poison song
How are my naturalist bros? Beastiary coming along well?
joining the house that focuses themselves entirely around worshipping you(forma de historico)
it's funny in a cosmic sort of way
It's like doing the oblivion Sheogorath quest when you're Sheogorath
Towers are the lynchpins of the world and their destruction disrupts the stability of not only the mortal plane, but the civilizations that live on it. The fall of a Tower is basically a death sentence for a civilization. Same thing happened with the Second Aldmeri Dominion with the fall of Crystal-Like-Law.
towers don't matter
lol lorelet
I unironically feel like the writers mixed up Telvanni and Dres in that stuff
Why would the Argonians massacre the Telvanni instead of Dres (the house that was the primary force behind their enslavement AND right on their border)?
least you have the excuse of Mantling the God of Madness during that
You're probably right. I remember reading the Tenvanni (I don't think this spelling is intentional btw).journal in Skyrim and how the house was massacred. Then you see Neloth in the expansion and you already have a Telvanni mage in the Collage of Winterhold. It feels like some scalie judt wanted to write some revenge porn
Man, that's such a bummer. I'm doing Almas Thirr content with a zealot Dunmer character and finally feeling like I ran into the fun TR content. I guess I should put this character on hold and create a Hlaalu Jew?
hist sap is a hell of a drug + arr rook same
Lol
fun TR content.
you don't enjoy fetch quests?
More importantly, how come Hlaalu was allowed to control the title of Duke of Vvardenfell, King, Camonna Tong Kingpin and Morag Tong Grandmaster without having the other houses chimp out?
If you ignore the fact that they'd have to have fought across the entire province including going through all the Ordinator-run territory to even reach Telvanni territory and still somehow have enough lizardpower and gas in the tank after all that to take out the entire Shadow Money Wizard Gang, I could see the Telvanni laughing at each other for getting taken down instead of working together
Man, you love spamming that misinformation, don't you?
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Not really combat but I like the effects
No I don't, and for some reason all of the stuff going on in Almas Thirr hasn't been fetch related.
Be a mediator in a familial dispute over house alliances
figure out the Hlaalu spy hidden among a batch of slaves being shipped to Indoril
Cool temple rituals
Quest that sounds like the opening to Twin Peaks where a dead Dunmer washes into the lower canal works
here about a secret sub-faction in the temple here
I'm the guy you're thinking of, not him.
Yeah I just wanted to make fun of Fetch quest guy and ChatGPT hallucinated mods have been my favourite parts of the past few days worth of threads
I'm trying to do a sneaky silver-tongued backstabber type Hlaalu character now but I'm really struggling with the "sneaky" part. Trying to level sneak normally is impossible and even when I found an NPC that wasn't turning around and autowalked into a corner for 20 minutes my sneak only went from 33/100 to 39/100.
forma de historico
Were you the one who asked about A'tor in la forma de espada a couple months ago?
Mercy maybe
Go to a trainer if you want to powerlevel
pay for your sneak levels
invest in alteration and illusion for open and chameleon
How long does it take for enemies to respawn in the overworld? I need more Golden Saint souls
nah
I'm a different guy who just thinks the "forma de X" meme is funny
The way you level sneak is "eluding" or whatever where an NPC does their routine sneak checks. So you want to like position yourself in such a way where your noose icon is constantly disappearing and reappearing. I personally just idled in random mages guild spots.
3 days in-game time i think
magic literally makes sneak and security redundant and offers more utility on top
Thief is truly the most cucked role in RPGs
Duke of Vvardenfell
Good point
King
Isn't he somewhat of a figurehead for his wife?
Camonna Tong Kingpin
Not publicly known, I think
Morag Tong Grandmaster
Morag Tong is outside of the houses, and plenty Hlaalu's are target for a writ
where's the narsis thieves guild
I think sneak is still extremely important with illusion spells like chameleon and invisibility.
In Redwater Theater
No way to join Morag Tong in TR, right? You still have to go to Vivec?
Which TR town has the most soul? So far my vote is for Bal Foyen, but I haven't explored all of the mainland yet.
Ald Iuval
does TR add a decent amount of helmets that beasts can wear?
being cut off from two pieces of armor has always put me off of playing them
it turns out the Telvanni's biggest weakness was getting hit in the head with a rake
How come people can't see past their prejudices and immerse themselves into the role of a cutthroat merchant prince (or at least the errand boy of one)?
Because the role I play is against them.
Yeah, a lot of the helmets it adds have beast race-friendly open variations and it adds some for the vanilla ones as well
spoiler
It's because everything was a logical endpoint. We already know about the giant rock Vivek was holding in the sky, it falling should not have been surprising. Red Mountain erupting after everything makes sense as well, followed by the Argonian invasion which yeah makes sense to do when they just got fucked by two big catastrophes. The Red year was basically the only direction things could have gone after everything. And Dragonborn does a good job of explaining where they are and how they are working to forge ahead.
The fuck you mean. It's entirely retarded. No it doesn't make sense.
hey guys so like vivec left should we do anything about the orb of death hanging over our heads
naaaahhhh
ok but like should we maybe mine it out a bit more, it's not impossible since we already did mine out tunnels and rooms in it
naaaaaahhh
ok well like we have numerous all powerful wizards running around think any of them could maybe do anything at all about it
naaaaaaahhhh
It's all retarded. The scenario playing out like this requires all sentient life in the entire kingdom of morrowind to be genuinely braindead.
Telvanni are simply too cool. Hlaalu never stood a chance.
Impersonation
secret plans
forgery
That's all gay as fuck. I live in a mushroom and buy slaves n'wah. If people don't do what I want I don't waste time with subtlety or intrigue, I turn them to ash immediately on the spot. While you're getting molested and whoring yourself for gold I'm contending with wizards older and wiser than gods.
I subscribe to the theory that the diary about all the Telvanni being dead was just that Telvanni having a doomer moment for no reason.
I mean, Neloth is around, Telvanni is still part of the council, and their heads are ancient wizards leagues stronger than guild archmages with so many tools to deal with Argonians marching on their mushrooms all the way up to literally just flying away if it's too much.
Classic open world problems. Some 60% of the map is Ashlands+Molag Amur, but 70% of fun is in Ascadian Isles, Bitter Coast and Southern West Gash. Going to Ald-Ruhn, Gnisis, Sadrith Mora, Dagon Fel feels like a chore and an afterthought. Bethesda made Pelagiad, Seyda Neen, Balmora and Caldera first. They probably wasted endless amount on time on them compared to the rest of the map.
Fair Care
That Temple town I can't remember the name of.
It matters little since Great Houses are fucking gone. They died with Almsivi. All Mediterranean countries would implode if the conclave decided they won't choose another pope again lol or if those Germanic protestant kings gave up on their divinity. If king Charles III died and prince William said he's keeping the crown, but he won't be the head of CoE. What's the point then?
hey guys so like vivec left should we do anything about the orb of death hanging over our heads
tbf that is explained in a book where the Dark elves do try to power the moon like the Ghostfence but are stopped leading to The Red Year so it is something the Dunmer overall tried to prevent
I'm always surprised that Elder Scrolls only has two novels
You'd think they'd shit those out constantly
The thing is the way they did it is retarded.
Hey why don't we form a contract with a daedric prince to harvest souls to keep the thing floating instead of getting rid of it?
It's stupid. it's too goddamn stupid. I refuse to take this idea seriously. Only an absolute moron would come up with this.
are stopped
That's one way to phrase "a bitch got all in his feelings because he didn't want his wife's soul shipped off to Clavicus Vile's plane so he doomed Morrowind"
probably sold badly, and Todd didn't like the lack of control.
You should actually read the lore instead of spouting retarded drivel, it really makes people not want to talk to you
instead of getting rid of it?
How are they supposed to get rid of it?
They suck. The short stories from the games are way better.
youtu.be
...They've already hollowed half the fucking thing out. They should probably do more of that.
They suck
When has that ever stopped a company
I wish it would
I've read the lore. I'm not reading that book.
Anything and everything after Morrowind is so painfully stupid it's not worth considering.
that's like that stops Star Wars or Warhammer from doing books
Ain't that the truth.
How come people can't see past their prejudices and immerse themselves into the role of a cutthroat merchant prince (or at least the errand boy of one)?
I don't think much of anybody takes issue with how they're written. It's really just the opposite, they're written so well that they're universally hated, which was most likely the intention.
People aren't saying
hlaalu sucks, bethesda did a bad job making them
it's more like
hlaalu sucks, they're a house of traitors
As for an actual criticism, they're just kind of weak in the rewards department. Not nearly as much as Redoran, but definitely WAY weaker than Telvanni. You join Redoran because you think it's the right thing to do. You join Telvanni for good loot. You join Hlaalu for... money. Money I can print by any number of methods, even not accounting for Creeper.
They just don't offer enough upsides, neither in the roleplay nor gameplay departments. If I want to be a greedy little bastard why would I join Hlaalu over Telvanni? The only way I see it making sense is if you're RPing a thief character who doesn't use any magic or takes some moral issue with Telvanni like slavery.
Nobody cares, shut the fuck up already
ermmm,I cannot ACCEPT anything past blah blah blha glark glark HUUEEEEEGGGGHHHHH
Duke
appointed by Emperor, the fact that its a Dunmer at all is a formality
King
Hereditary from Barenziah whose clan Ra'athiim used to be the kings of Ebonheart and Mournhold
Camonna Tong Kingpin
Not exactly a title, literally a law-breaking criminal
Morag Tong Grandmaster
Not public knowledge
Moon-and-Star v2 was too busy running away to Akavir to get away from Azura tiger momming him and going all "why you never do anything? look at your past life! he a warlord!" to care about saving them from the rock
I unironically think Todd is just afraid the authors will slip in actually interesting lore and ideas that he doesn't want to have to implement in his games.
I robbed these fucks out of house and home
Wizard casts levitate on a bunch of workers with pickaxes
they start chopping pieces off of the moon and throwing them into the ocean
moon is gone in a couple months
Talos also tells the Nerverine to get off his ass and build a new order at the Ghostfence in the main game as well
The Emperor is getting old. Don't know how much longer he'll hang on. So is the whole Empire, for that matter. Getting old, that is. The Emperor and the legions have held the Empire together for hundreds of years. It's been a good thing, by and large. But maybe it's time for a change. Time for something young and new. What? No idea. Because I'm old. Old dog doesn't get new ideas. But maybe young folks like you should try some new ideas. I don't know. Could be messy. But change is never pretty.
but Nerverine would rather just eat that Snake pussy
It's already a hollow moon used to house prisoners, you can just make all them mine the inside, it's not like they can escape by getting to the outside
ok well like we have numerous all powerful wizards running around think any of them could maybe do anything at all about it
Bold of you to assume House Telvanni gives a shit.
You're right, I genuinely cannot accept that everyone went
Yeah that sounds good we'll feed this machine souls and everything will just work out! Wow thanks for solving the problem, we have no hangups about necromancy or anything or a pact with a daedra!
It makes no sense. How could not one single person point out:
Hey you know we already hollowed that fucker out for office space and holding cells, what if we just kept digging?
I know whenever I'm on a construction site doing the wiring, I demand we sacrifice a few drywallers to Zeus, so I may safely do my work, rather than simply turn the breakers off. That's the level of retarded we're on here.
Why would they need Nerevar to do shit? This is literally all well within the Dunmer's power. They have already proven they can mine it, they can hollow it out, and they just decide not to get rid of the thing entirely because...uh...because it's a plot device for a moron.
Wizard casts levitate
Casting levitate is illegal.
So is human/mer slavery in morrowind. Get fucked imperial bootlicker, what are you gonna do about it?
The Empire abandoned Morrowind, their laws no longer apply.
they only did that post Red Year so the laws would still apply before that
The Legions left during the Oblivion Crisis to protect Cyrodiil
So is human/mer slavery in morrowind.
Slavery actually continued to be legal in morrowind after joining the 3rd empire as part of the deal Tiber Septim made with the Tribunal.
They recalled the Legions yes, it was still Imperial territory though
Considering the way it was stopped we actually can't be sure that even reducing it to rubble would actually solve the problem. The smaller bits could still carry the same momentum and force, which would indeed cause less destruction but might still be enough force to set off Red Mountain.
The Legions are the ones that enforce Imperial law
No Legions no laws, n'wah.
break off a bunch of pieces
transport them across tamriel
watch as chaos ensues
You tell me, Redoran have easily the weakest quests of the three houses and are genuine hypocrites once you get past the "honor" charade yet people don't give them any shit
The empire died with Martin, the Mede have as much legitimacy as the hero of Kvatch would have to sit on the throne.
Post-Oblivion lore is just massacre. I wish they focused on previous eras instead. If TES 6 is a sequel, then it's going to be about stopping Thalmor who are Nazis who want to end existence itself. Boring. Why not set the game in those 1000 lost years from the 1st era instead?
Which of the Great Houses in Morrowind holds the most power, and how do they use this power? I’ve heard that the Indoril is the largest, but I’m not sure how much truth there is in that.
>In the conservative south, the Indoril parties and the Temple still have a lot of influence in the Councils, but up north, Imperial influence is strong, and Hlaalu family and retainers control most of the wealth and political power. Of course, within their own territories, each of the five Great Houses rule their local councils – but the power of Hlaalu and Imperial coin is very influential.
According to a pre-release promo material, House Hlaalu already has the Vvardenfell Great Houses by the balls in the grand scheme of Morrowind's politics. Tricky subversive moneylenders can go very far in a political system that prioritizes "local councils" and local politics over top-down rule.
Speaking of the grand scheme of things, you forgot that House Hlaalu also controls the Grand Council, Morrowind's ruling body, comprising representatives from all the Great Houses:
The Lord High Councilor of the Grand Council, an Indoril, refused to accept the treaty, and refused to step down. He was assassinated, and replaced by a Hlaalu.
King Hlaalu Athyn Llethan, High Councilor and Lord of Morrowind, grants relief to merchants complaining of high tariffs on imported alcoholic beverages.
The people replying to you saying the King is a useless figurehead are right, but the King (at least the one before Helseth) also happened to be Morrowind's native prime minister. This wasn't really shown in Tribunal because Bethesda had already stopped caring about Dunmer Great House politics by the time they made that, but it's said in the base game.
Medes are like Odoacer and Ostrogoths. Historians would never even count them as emperors. They're just strongmen trying to maintain the already existing power structures, but without any fantasy divine legitimacy. Saint Alessia was basically a goddess incarnate, Reman was a demigod, Talos was a man who turned himself into a god. Medes are just dictators. I wouldn't be surprised if the world actually ends in TES 6. It might be for the best. There's nowhere to go forward.
he Mede have as much legitimacy as the hero of Kvatch
At least he'd make a fun emperor
Oddly, in Oblivion itself, we see the Imperial Legions are explicitly NOT recalled to Cyrodiil. Ocato tells you how it'd be a massive headache, and it sets up a whole quest:
This is terrible news. Under normal circumstances, I would dispatch a legion or two to Bruma immediately. But the circumstances are not normal, are they? I've been pleading for troops for Cyrodiil for weeks, but the generals assure me that the entire Imperial Army is already fully committed.
Besides... I'd have a full-scale political crisis on my hands if I tried to pull any troops out of the provinces. I'm sorry, but the cities of Cyrodiil will have to fend for themselves for the time being.
And that's why you have to ask all the cities of Cyrodiil to raise their militias (which for some reason the Emperor just lets them keep, even though there's a standing army with a monopoly on violence) to give aid to Gondor. Sorry, I meant Bruma.
So basically all the setup from Morrowind about ambitious Legion generals vying for the capital goes nowhere so Oblivion can give you another boring fetch quest.
I'm not too sure political "power" matters all that much when Telvanni give the finger to any idea of the legitimacy of legality or morality on principle and Indoril don't give a fuck about anything that comes from the mouths of anyone except the Tribunal
I woke up on some slave ship
next thing I knew I was being given orders and told to report to a member of some imperial spy ring
After making off with half the town's armory and some thieving elf's stump gold, I made it to Balmora
The man they sent me to was some Skooma junkie. He started talking about prophecies and houses, i've heard enough
I was able to swindle the local mages guild out of some spells and training, paid for by the neighboring guild's alchemy supplies
I need to start a new life, and for that I need gold. I hear the East Empire Company is set up around here, I think I'll have a peek inside
It's because everything was a logical endpoint
Only if you illogically take the nerevarine out of the equation which is what happened.
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Great minmax stats, but you should prioritize endurance as much as you can for the first 8 levels or so.
They had to take the Nerevarine out of the equation because otherwise they'd take Sunder and Keening and drop a fat steamer on Dagon's lawn while Azura cheerleads
Without the heart of lorhkan, sunder and keening are just strong weapons. Technically they aren't even weapons actually.
They were just the most on-brand weapons I could think of for a Nerevarine to wield
I guess Trueflame works, too
Based steedchad
i've never seen anyone legitimately hate hlaalu and always saw people just roleplaying they do because "haha funny happy merchant faction, they're so quirky".
I think it's lore to pad the Redoran as the next big ruling body of what's left of Morrowind
Will Tamriel Rebuilt let us see a living Emperor Crab?
Also, is the Kirkbride thing about the Redoran resurrecting their Ald'ruhn Crab non-canon since he said Redoran was destroyed there but actual canon says that Redoran were the winners of the Oblivion Crisis and Red Year?
wtf? am I locked out of fighter's guild for being dunmer in old ebonheart? I joined in balmora idk why he wont talk to me
Anon...
You're a dumbass
nevermind things are progressing.
to give aid to Gondor.
This is the crux of everything wrong with Oblivion. Todd and Ken Rolston between them saw the popularity of LotR and, figuring that they were making a mass-entertainment product for dumb-dumbs and not a serious work of fiction, jettisoned the careful work that Kirkbride and Co. had been building up for years. Thanks (again) Todd.
It did work for them so there's that
Todd is now worth billions and you're crying on a bhutanese sherpa forum
So do potions that do the same thing stack here
I'm not typing to you from KPMG and I was not giving advice on how to make these sloppified time-wasters more financially successful. Add a battle royale mode, probably. The point is that you can't seriously tell me that Oblivion and Skyrim have lore that can hold a candle to Morrowind (and, funnily enough despite its other flaws, Redguard).
Ald Ruhn is a single city in the backwater that is Vvardenfell, it being destroyed doesn't really imply the Redoran as a whole got destroyed
"The armies of Oblivion destroy Ald'ruhn, ancestral home of House Redoran, even though ancient rituals were used to awaken the dread emperor crab and the whole city literally rose up to fight the invaders. With their warrior House decimated, the dunmer of Vvardenfell fall back as daedra move towards a siege of Ghost Gate. Prayers to Vivec and the Nerevarine go unanswered."
REMEMBER REDORAN. NEVER FORGET.
His post did much more than simply just IMPLY Redoran died there. He outright said that was the end of them.
wouldn't all the stone you mined out still retain all of its inertia
Good thing Kuckbride's schizo RP isn't canon
When you look at Kirkbride stuff and try to argue for it not being as bad as it seems, you have to remember that he didn't want the Red Year we got in Skyrim. His idea for the Red Year was for literally everyone to die. Morrowind wiped off the map.
The next step of his master plan was crashing this province with no survivors.
Maybe, who knows. Random pebble sized chunks of rock suddenly regaining their velocity are going to do a lot less than the entire thing.
find item with constant effect shield
there's annoying as fucking glitter effects all over your screen whenever you wear it
gay
Such an easy thing to mod.
However, while you are sneaking successfully without being in range of anything, the game still saves the time you spend sneaking, and once you step into the range of a target (without being detected, of course), you will receive experience as if you had been sneaking near a valid target the whole time. This explains why the sneak skill often barely increases at all for prolonged amounts of time, and then suddenly jumps up an entire level in an instant. This method appears to increase the sneak skill much faster than just staying within the range of one target, so sneaking all the time, even with nothing nearby, is encouraged for those who want to level up their sneak skill quickly. Additionally, when entering the range of a target, you may sometimes even get a "double-proc" benefitting from the time you've spent sneaking before, resulting in effectively doubled experience gain, but the mechanics behind this are still unclear.
Sneak by yourself for awhile.
the dunmer of Vvardenfell
It's right there nigga
The thieves guild quests grant you the ring of far reaching pretty early in. Use it. You don't need to complain about guards by the door when you can pick the lock from behind a box on the other side of the room.
REMEMBER REDORAN
And that's why you have to ask all the cities of Cyrodiil to raise their militias (which for some reason the Emperor just lets them keep, even though there's a standing army with a monopoly on violence)
Zero thought was put into how the Empire functions in Oblivion.
Enough arguing, post it alright
do any of the code patches "fix" this? In general i feel like all skills are way too slow or tedious to level naturally outside of blade or alchemy. Its generally easier to just pay for everything.
Can you do grasping fortune content on a fresh character or is it mid to late game content?
It seems a bit more higher level. I'd do a few levels in Old Ebonheart before heading there. Shouldn't need many and you can join Hlaalu there.
UESP doesn't mention anything. Usually they say if something is changed in a code patch or with OpenMW, so I assume it still works this way.
Isn't that Andorthen?
Got renamed
Telvanni
Don't care because it's politics and House N'wahlu can only try to tell then what to do
Dres
Fully know they're in charge of the Slave business, giving them basically the real power over Morrowind
Indoril
Don't care because Muh Tribunal and Muh Temple, too busy seething at House Telvanni
Redoran
Only ones actually seething, and when they take power, kick out house N'wahlu immediately
but why
Too many Hlaalu places with names starting with A (Aanthirin, Andrethis, Andaram)
Andothren was the easiest to rename cause it's not a Bethesda name like Andrethis, a release name like Andaram or a region name like Aanthirin
the og name was Stonefalls which Bal Foyen is just an indigenisation of
Stoneforest is Balmora, anon.
I don't see how that's relevant to the post, unless you're saying it'd be replacing 4 A-named places with another Bal- place. And I just copypasted that from the TR discord.
Stonefalls, not Stoneforest
Sorry, anon. I am the average TES fan and thus I cannot read before I post, sometimes.
Bros??
Ahhhh Stormrider, my beloved, how are you old girl?
Now I can finally start playing the game
That’s why he is in Akavir, to build an army of Snake and Tiger pussy as their new immortal god and come back to Tamriel to invade and take over the Empire. Todd I know you are a degenerate steal my idea as the plot for TES 6 and actually let us join the villain for once as an option like an actual RPG.
chameleon
How the fuck does chameleon truly work, I never understood it
It's simple
1-99% Chameleon: Does nothing
100% Chameleon: Makes you undetectable without breaking on doing anything like Invisibility
I wanna argue but this is my exact experience with it lol
Fake news even small chameleon buffs are really noticeable
These beacons are neat, around Sadrith Mora
Who could even blame him.
come back from your centuries long snake pussy orgy
septim dynasty is all dead
current "Empire" is a pathetic mess
dunmer are larping as refugees from an event that happened centuries ago
the retards actually just left the rock hanging over their heads, holy shit, Vivec just did that to flex and these morons thought they could keep it up
Altmer are trying to unmake reality
yeah I'd probably decide if I didn't do something, literally nothing would ever improve anywhere in Tamriel at that point too.
personality and speechcraft
how low is too low? Im getting people down to 0 persuasion and im trying to bribe them up with 30/30
how low is too low?
when npcs attack you upon seeing you
30 Speechcraft is workable but 30 Personality is what's killing you. Get a Charm spell or pop Bug Musk before you try persuasion.
You're basically one of those hobos that prances around Time's Square dressed as Elmo.
they 100% did not know the layout of the province or who any of the great houses were lmao, the skyrim lore changes were retarded
chameleon isn't make you invisible like in oblivion, sneak is still relevant
i was skeptical at first but old ebonheart has really grown on me. The layout is really good, and it feels huge and tiny at once. The main square does somehow feel like its ripped out of oblivion tho. is there any way to fast travel to Narsis btw?
That Temple town I can't remember the name of.
almas thirr?
is there any way to fast travel to Narsis btw?
conjurer rank mages guild you can go directly there, otherwise you gotta take a series of boats down, there's also a silt strider path I believe but I haven't taken it
the game starts with you doing HoonDing things fighting Imperials and Thalmor
halfway through some schizophrenic Dunmer with this tattooed on his bicep invades Hammerfell from the west with an army of monkey-men, dragon-Khajiit, snake-people, and snow-devils
Nah Old Ebonfart is shit. Worst town in all of Morrowind, even Vvardenfell. I'll take fishing hamelts with 7 buildings over that soulless fagperial settlement with 0 fun things to do.
Dunmer hands wrote this post
Proppa chapel tho innit?
dark souls esque
LMAO
kwab
telvanni has the worst quests of any faction in my opinion. those quests for the mouths are fucking boring
lol
Sorry Vivace, but my Imperial propagandists have already depicted me as the chad and you as the virgin. This war is over.
no.... NO!!!!!!!
I know jackshit about history, I thought the dunmer defeated the empire and kicked them out
How come they are ruled by the empire now, when and how did that even happen
that actualy fits the meme perfectly too
I thought the dunmer defeated the empire and kicked them out
what made you think that
Isn't that how Nerevar became this legend
He united the tribes and defeated the Dwemer Nord alliance at Red Mountain. Have you played Morrowind?
Oblivion had me wanting to go and really give morrowind a try, I've been running around with the same sword and trying to piece together armor.
Pretty sure I have 2 quests that are broken because followers are stuck, and I don't really know where to go to get other quests. Talking to everyone seems like a waste they never have anything to say. How do I ID who is worth talking too? Not really a fan of the main quest guy telling me to go fuck off for a while
I just skipped most history related dialogue....
Tldr:
Tiber Septim decides he wants to catch 'em all
Eventually comes to Morrowind
Hlaalu give him a warm welcome (plan to backstab later)
Telvani never care
Dres are far from the border but seem to offer some support
Indoril are similar but even more unenthusiastic with their support
Redoran are basically the only guys who seem able and willing to put up a fight and are deeply concerned they'll be overrun
Tribunal are already fucked by Dagoth Ur and know they can't go full godpower on the Imperial forces
After some small skirmish battles with the Redoran and Imperials, Vivec appears to Tiber Septim to negotiate a deal to give Morrowind the best possible outcome while becoming an Imperial Province
Indoril sperg out and commit mass suicide over this, burning down Old Ebonheart even (hence why it's Imperial now) until Vivec demands they all stop killing themselves
most people focus on the drama with the tribunal i think. It's hard to keep everything straight if ur not really into the lore specifics.
Pretty sure the empire were scared shitless of going to war with the dunmer and were able to negotiate peace.
It dont matter
It's kinda funny how Vivec and Tiber Septim should be the same tier on the power scale yet Vivec got fucked in the end
Dwemer Nord alliance
Wasn't it that the Dwemer and Chimer were warring over the Heart and the Nords tried to third party with their zombie king and got their shit rocked by Nerevar before he went back to fucking up the steampunks?
Having like five contradicting accounts with only like two being from people who were actually there makes it hard to keep track.
cool thieves guild missions
funny mage guild ones, plus a couple of actually interesting ones
simple but large layout with a good distribution of useful shops
good hub for transportation
lots to steal
haven't done the imperial cult stuff yet
does your pc just lag because you're running a toaster or something?
i've got a 5700x3d and a 3090 and i still get like 25 fps in old ebonheart
sounds like you're doing some sidequests. If you just do the main quest from caius you will get geared up quickly. You have to just talk to everyone or know who u r looking for. Go to the journal and find the quest, they always give exact directions.
no. He died like 3,000 years before the current empire existed.
on a 4070ti i7 i get down to 50 in the square, but the farther i get from all the houses packed together the lag goes away too.
I have a piece of shit from 10 years ago and I get 70 to 100 fps, wtf did you do wrong.
I turned fog on so there isn't any lag, but I honestly should have treated that as a bad omen and stayed the fuck away. No, all the guilds are trash, the culture sucks, and there's nothing interesting going on. You have to be an imperialfag who autistic stims in your jesus chamber to think it's a cool place.
too many mods, i guess
Narsis is supposed to be the second biggest city in the east, second only to Almalexia, and the TR devs keep hyping it up as the biggest city in any ES game, mod or official, and potentially one of the biggest detailed cities in any RPG. So how does it feel to play, does it feel like a proper city?
Tl:dr
If Dagoth wasn't having a melty the empire would have been humiliated harder than the US getting btfo'd by Nam.
Someone recommended this in another thread and it bumped my overall performance significantly, idk if it will work for you or not
It's pretty fucking cool, I've only done some hlaalu quests and some arena so far, plus exploring, the surrounding landscape is fucking beautiful too.
I am confused why the buildings are normal hlaalu stone colour instead of red like the surrounding terrain though, that doesn't make any sense.
funny mage guild ones, plus a couple of actually interesting ones
Eh, I don't like to write lol fetch quests but all the mage guild quests were explicitly fucking fetch quests there with a few minor exceptions. The writing was funny though
People who actually played Morrowind when it released love Hlaalu.
nu fans are the ones who circlejerk their microdicks over le redditoran and EBIINNN MUSHROOOMZZZ telvanni
Depends on how much Zurin Arctus could've pulled out his ass in the event of a full scale conflict. Though Vivec did end up giving Tiber Septim massive concessions he probably didn't need to (Numidium), and considering who Vivec is, it's possible he had ulterior motives. Maybe in an alt timeline where Dagoth Ur didn't return, Vivec would still make a deal with Tiber Septim, though even more favorable to Morrowind. Potentially the kind of deal Hammerfell in TR has with the Empire.
I doubt it. The demigods are powerful but they're only 3 people. The imperials command dragons and the sky fleet. Although I might just be misremembering the dragons and they just exist in cyrodiil and aren't commanded. Either way we got fucking scammed in TES4 holy shit what a waste of awesome lore.
If Dagoth wasn't in a perpetual state of retarded melty there wouldn't be a Tribunal at all
What about OpenMW though
Can someone give me the gist of what Dagoth actually did though, wasn't he Nerevar's buddy and also got fucked by the tribunal
They literally formed a treaty that basically said Morrowind was an autonomous province of the Empire because both sides were scared shitless of fighting each other.
The image is a meme and doesn't make any sense. Depicting yourself as a conqueror when you didn't conquer shit makes you look like a giant fag and completely undermines the diplomatic nature of your treaty.
they're beginner quests like in vvardenfell, beginner level quests are important to help you learn a location plus low stakes building up into actual mid level quests
I do hope they go back and add higher level quests into old ebonheart, I assume the PC team is gonna add stuff into stuff like the Anvil fighters guild later because the questline ends with you just running out of quests for your rank.
IIRC the theory is that Tiber only properly ascended to Talos during the Warp in the West. It's possible that Vivec gave him the Numidium to Explicitly fuck Hjalti Over and prevent his ascension for as long as possible.
The entire point of OpenMW is to run smooth. You fucked up somewhere anon
It definitely feels like an actual city but fuck me can it be a pain to figure out where to go when your directions are:
Find Fnukfugget in the Old Quarter.
and 'Fnukfugget' isn't even a dialogue option. The quest writers really need to work on incorporating better directions.
Hard to say but more the both sides would probably have lost an ungodly amount of lives no matter the victor. The deal they made was probably the best outcome for everyone Dagoth Ur or no Dagoth Ur.
Although I might just be misremembering the dragons
There was at least 1 and he is still canon, an did listen to commands because Septim just paid him.
Red Mountain happens
Dwemer disappear themselves
Nerevar says "well fuck. hey, best buddy of mine, can you watch these Dwemer tools for a mo'?"
Dagoth says "okay, pal"
Dagoth figures out what they do while Nerevar gets AlmSiVi
Nerevar comes back and is all "hey, friendo, can I get those back? I wanna keep them safe"
Dagoth says "reeeeeeeee! no one can touch these things!"
Nerevar has to fight him to get his shit back and gets wounded
Nerevar is then down one close ally and skilled combatant leaving AlmSiVi more free to fuck his entire everything up
"Telvanni Councilers are Lord Soandso, Lord Cumwad, Lord Whatshisname..."
Dialogue requires the full names (never said except once) to trigger the Topic and not last name and title
Enrages me every time I head to Port Telvannis
POV: You are Vivec and these two n'wahs show up at your doorstep demanding ebony and your brass gundam
What do you do?
because Septim just paid him.
How do you pay off a fucking dragon
He betrayed the Dunmer and the Dwemer to the Nords
He Betrayed Lord Nerevar for the Tools and killed him
He was steadfast and Loyal to Nerevar, but the Tribunal killed him.
All of these are True and happened. Thus is the Red Moment.
How do you pay off a fucking dragon
Will you give me some good dick for it?
You can not convince me that's not how the "confrontation" went. Don't even try.
that's like +40% performance but now my game's orange
probably shader injection isn't working anymore
old ebonheart has all these locked doors but it's morrowind and many of the npcs are static. How am i supposed to get into those locked rooms if there's som1 right in front of me? Just wait until 100% chameleon or some shit?
The thing was basically not functional anyway, I don't think they could have predicted him getting it running.
Isn't Dagoth attacking Neravar literaly a tribunal canard to distract from what they did?
Only if you use the soul of the guy that wants to exterminate us to turn it on.
Nahfahlaar's backstory is literally that the other dragons kicked him out for being too greedy so he wasn't part of the original dragon genocide. Septim had gold so it it wasn't hard to pay him.
What the fuck does a dragon even do with gold
a dragon needs a hoard of gold. i think the hobbit goes into it
Whatever he wants.
They just like to hord their wealth and lure cocky travelers in, right? Isn't that the classic trope?
Dagoth himself says that Nerevar is the one who put him down while he was guarding the tools.
Vivec did see Tiber Septim coming a while in advance, and we know it's why he surrendered in the first place. I wouldn't be surprised if Vivec was trying to game the coming Enantiomorph by deliberately poisoning his Rival with the Doom of the Dwemer, instead of letting himself be overthrown.
He also got to eat the enemy soldiers after battles.
I'm actually playing with that idea on my current character. Something as simple as being aware, due to being a veteran, that the Tiber Septim cult is new, it didn't exist when he was in the Imperial Service, yet he recalls worshipping Talos in a chapel as a child, clear as day.
And there was something called Ebonarm but wasn't that just a local cult to Talos?
ask everyone about rumors. if they talk about DLC stuff like solsthiem then it means you need to download a mod to fix the rumor dialog. Delayed expansion fixes it, i think.
seyda neen has like 15k+ worth of gold in its immediate vicinity and a bread crumb clue to a beginner artifact as well.
they are just hoarders
And there was something called Ebonarm but wasn't that just a local cult to Talos?
If I remember right he overlaps with Shezzar a lot too which for an imperial would cause a similar feeling.
ayo this shit is bananas
Wow if only there was another god in the Aetherius who was also missing at least one eye
But did he turn himself into a moon?
I'm debating on how far to go with it, right now it's simply an issue of faith and fuzzy memory. Things worked out coincidentally for me to pull a Star Wars EU and extrapolate on a tertiary character named in a book, specifically Briarbird from the Warp in the West. My character gets discharged from the Navy 2 years prior to the events of Daggerfall, and was already conducting anti-piracy in the Illiac, so it's prime period for him to get recruited for spooky boy shenanigans and sent to one of the dozens of kingdoms as an field asset. Brairbird's contribution to history so far is getting stranded by a sandstorm so I don't feel to particularly ghoulish for using him.
It would make the mission to Vvardenfell less pants-on-head-stupid, which was my original goal when I started months ago.
Sorry for the tangent I've thought about this a lot lol
So uuuuh
What are Ideal Masters, really
That's Revenant Moon Mannimarco, anon
Most likely were mortals who aquired enough soul capital to become immortal and later essentially became the soul brokers of greater oblivion. Now they just sit back while living off of the passive soul income.
You stand within the precincts of the Soul Cairn, an otherworldly refuge dedicated to peace, love, eternal rest, and harmony.
Hilarious that they just recruit their undead servants by gaslighting.
Briarbird
Ah, a classic. But isn't Butterbard a High Elf?
Nah, Bearbird is a Nord, obviously.
I'd have to see that, I have no idea. Yesterday was the first time I ever read the name.
All that slavery going on
Can join houses with slaves
Can't have slaves
What's the point
So do you actually get content for other houses with these releases too, or does Narsis for example only have Hlaalu quests
can't have slaves
You can buy your own slaves off the telvanni or use the command spell.
The Narsis release happens to contain Redoran lands in which you're able to do Redoran quests, but in general yes, Great Houses each have a monopoly on House questlines in their territory.
it's some webcomic thats not even that old
Gay, there goes that idea
S tier
Mages Guild
Fighters Guild
A tier
Temple
Imperial Legion
Thiefs Guild
B tier
Great Houses
C tier
Morag Tong
N'wah tier
Imperial Cult
Imperial Cult
Bad
Why?
Not even that Old
2015 was 10 years ago, anon.
It's generic fetch quests all the way to the top rank
10 years ago self insert webcomics had been cringey and gay for half a decade already, and that one is particularly bad. It just goes on and on and on about nothing
Self Insert
The Argonian's in Oblivion, anon.
Should I roll up a Bosmer or a Khajiit? Female.
figured it out, had to disable hdr in windows
Brother I'm mad idc
best rewards though
Are you practicing your art, sera?
best rewards
Temple and mages guild
en.uesp.net
I like seeing our actions having an impact on the universe
their HQ is in the starter town so I always figured they were supposed to be the "canon" player faction, never knew everyone hates them somehow.
Morrowind writers caught the Chris Avellone syndrome ie they feel the need to just wipe a specific setting clean off the franchise once they consider theyre done with it so no one else can ever fuck around with it.
Their appearance in Skyrim makes no sense. Why are the Ideal Masters in charge of black soul gems when black soul gems were created by Mannimarco when he ascended to godhood? How could the writers forget the lore from the previous fucking game? But then again, the idea that you can't capture human souls without black soul gems was a stupid retcon in itself. It's like a retarded retcon sandwich.
This is the stupidest fucking thing I've read today, congrats
Completely correct, too
...And Morrowind goes boom because I am a vain child who doesn't like to share his toys.
Also the same post where he complains about how much he hates Elsweyr's pun name
what race/sign overhauls are good? there's a ton of these things and I really don't feel like clicking through all of them to see what they change
What was in the 25.05.09 update for TR? I just got the may 1st version, do I really need to update again?
Hotfixes, I'd update
If you're on OpenMW I like this one
nexusmods.com
It gives Argonians perma-Waterbreathing
I personally just got the TR races enabled mod and didn't fuck with anything else.
You really had to reach for that one didn't you?
I was wondering about that actually
are the Khajiit furstocks added recognized as Khajiit? like do the racial voice lines for when you're playing a Khajiit trigger?
Not particularly.
At least I got to throw a moon-turd into Vvardenfell, keeping it safe from future tampering.
He's exactly right. Kirkbride wrote the Red Year, and he did it for exactly that reason.
That's a direct quote from Kirkbride. What the fuck are you on about?
he hates Elsweyr's pun name
what? why? I've always thought that pun is charming and makes me like the Khajiit more
Elsweyr was going to split back into Pellitine and Anequina because 1) it would give nuance back to the khajiit since they would effectively be two backgrounds at character creation, 2) the split being a result of the Thalmor gave the latter more weight, and 3) I could get rid of that dumb cringe pun name for the rest of fucking time oh my god I hate that dumb cringe pun so much.
No idea on the why
How many characters is too many? I'm about to start my sixth concurrent character.
guy who unironically wrote about some dude being a robot from the future come to kill elves with his lightsaber arm thinks a cute pun for the kitty people's homeland is too silly for his fantasy game