Why couldn't Square Enix just give us what we wanted...

Why couldn't Square Enix just give us what we wanted? Why did it take 30 literally whos to do what Square Enix hasn't been able to do for over 20 years?

they gave me exactly what i wanted for FF7R and 16

and 15
and 14
and 13
and 12
and 11

Insecure Jap execs who think

DMC with auto-combos

Is superior to tense tactical gameplay systems.

someones needs to set yoshitpiss on fire

Well, it sold pretty well, so I guess they did?
A friend even think FF16 is the best one yet.

ah yes the extremely deep and tactical gameplay of Expedition 33

equip weapon that starts maelle in virtuous stance

use stendhal

delete everything

alternatively you can just press parry button if you are tired of deleting everything in a single turn

>use stendhal

It got nerfed retard

Japs are so washed

nips have no soul when they ran out of western games and comics to rip off its no wonder they went to shit

tense tactical gameplay systems

I hope you don't mean ex33 is tense and tactical

certainly more so than shart peenix shitting out button mashing actionsloppa

Market research says that kids don't like turn based. Therefore, to reach the largest number of customers, we must abandon turn based.

But in reality this action stuff is selling worse.

They don't care.

no wonder the company is dieing

It's more important to focus on ethical reviews than making a good game.

can't wait for se to die and sandfall to buy the ip for cheap

Square leadership was always cancer. It's why so much of their best talent left.

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Because what it actually is is Square Enix has some very specific brain worms about Final Fantasy's presentation and budgeting, and believe that a AAA game should under no circumstances ever be turnbased.

this

Bump

Hamaguchi needs to kill himself.

11 was unironically good apart from being an MMO.
Best job system in any FF, good endgame content and the SC/MB mechanic was neat.

everyone immediately always finds and uses the borken combo

11 was unironically good apart from being the worst thing it could possibly be.

and Nomura
and Kitase
and Nojima
and Yoshitpiss
and honestly Sakaguchi too at this point

hmm i wonder which of these men you're most mad about

honestly? Nomura.

far be it from me to think it's the one you had a funny nickname for

lmao is that really your defense?
even igorning stendhal and not using the 200% virtous stance weapon, the game is broken as shit. you can literally run into high level areas and just grab pictos early on and buff yoourself out the ass and not worry about anything. the game has like 2-3 superbosses that are challenging, everything else is genuinely some of the easiest rpg content ever. you can literally 1shot the final story boss without grinding.

Sakaguchi never did anything wrong.

Everyone calls that nigga Yoshitpiss I don't even know his real name.

He keeps lending modern FF legitimacy especially garbage like 14 and 16

nobody actually calls him that anon you've been duped by a spammer banned from the near-entirety of the rest of the internet

Lmaooooooooooooo

how dare the series' founder still like what it's doing

If he does than his opinion is irrelevant and he should be rightfully regarded as a washed up hack.

Final Fantasy will never ever be what anyone wants it to be. Because we all want it to outdo VII to X, which is physically impossible, AND we all want it to outdo VII to X in vastly different ways. The execs want it to have higher production cost and more AAAs than VII to X, while we want better, deeper systems and narratives than VII to X and these two directions are at present at odds with each other.

Give up on Final Fantasy. The Final "Fantasy" here is that one day they'll be as great as VII, VIII, IX and X again.

"Oh, this was fun"

I hope he dies

Ok man

Yes

t. yoshitpiss

Your game sucked.

play DQ, or Octopath, or Bravely if you want SE produced turn based RPGs.

We wouldn't need Octopath or Bravely if SE weren't fucking retards.

sounds like you just want to consume a product with a specific name more than wanting to play a turn based JRPG produced by the same studio

No thanks, i prefer my games to actually look like they were made by professionals and not some millennial cuckold.

Yes you fucking retard. Nobody would be upset if FF was still turn based. This is all about Final Fantasy.

What do you faggot even want? Because if it‘s pic related then just play fucking paper mario. If you want actual turnbased, play octopath traveler or bravely default.
If you cry about turnbased ff then it should be ffx and not this retarded ass rhythm game

Nobody wants FF to have turn based combat minigames. Maybe something like Squall's gunblade or limit break minigames is okay, but not for every single attack

You prefer cock up your ass too. But you sint complaining about that?

how are you going to call me the retard when they still produce traditional FF games in all but name? you don't actually care about gameplay, you just want to cry about a brand

Huh? Anon how can you not think this THE revolution of jrpgs? I mean everyone says so right? How come you don‘t think shitty ass rhythm games which revolves completely around parrying and evading is not the new super cool way to do jrpgs?

Do you have those on "good game" flavor? Other than Expedition 33 I mean
Because all those games you said are fucking dogshit

this. square don't miss.

RORU
RUMAO

Exp 33 fanbase has reached critical levels of annoying

We want a good FF game with FF lore.

FFniggers were far worse

Kill yourself kike shill

are*

You're the kike here

This

muh brand

bravely default is better than basically every FF in the PS2 era and on

I just want a good game that isn't overshadowed by "HOWEVER, IT ISN'T AS GOOD AS IT SHOULD BE"

You're the fucking kike shill.

if sakaguchi's interests don't line up with my own then all of his experience and opinions vanish

lmfao you disingenuous faggot

Agreed. Still want a good FF game.

>if sakaguchi's interests don't line up with my own then all of his experience and opinions vanish

Yes

paper mario

octopath

bravely default

ffx

dogshit

This genre isn‘t for you go play other shit faggot.

and you have them, they just aren't called FF. stop hyperfixating on a name bozo

Ladies, please, the only people that believe Anon Babble spammers represent a larger fanbase on Anon Babble are the spammers themselves.

Fuck off retard

you want to watch a new season of that tv show why don't you just go watch a different show?

No. I want a good FF game set in FF universe like SoP but with a budget.

That budget is exactly why the games won't be good, you dumb animal. Do you understand that the larger a game's budget, the more money it has to make in turn to be profitable, and the less incentivized the company is to do anything good or interesting for fear of alienating the audience?

I disagree

comparison doesn't even work in this case because seasons of a TV show usually follow each other plot wise, and every FF is basically it's own thing separate from previous and future games. if every FF led into each other, yeah sure that'd suck. but they don't. you're looking at new job system FF games and turning your nose to them because it doesn't have Final Fantasy™ on it, and that's fucking retarded. you're more loyal to a brand you hate than the actual systems that made you like the brand in the first place, and that makes you a fucking moron.

Animeslop

Fuck off

tactical gameplay systems

I hope you're not suggesting e33 has this

Why couldn't Square Enix just give us what we wanted?

You wanted worse games?

My comparison works, you're just mad and need to calm down so you can think clearly.

Let's not kid ourselves: if E33 was called FFXVII, all of you would call it a downgrade and a low-budget game from XVI

Jesus Christ shut the fuck up already

Maybe in your head

apart from being an MMO.

Except that alone makes it into the trash tier, completely and utterly

they gave me exactly what i wanted for FF7R

You wanted a bloated, tonal clusterfuck that interrupts you with tedium every time you start to have fun? Man, Squeenix really DOES know their audience!

you're looking at new job system FF games and turning your nose to them because it doesn't have Final Fantasy™ on it

Also I didn't turn my nose to other games. Octopath 2 is one of my favorites and would make for a great FF game.

I think i might be the only person on Anon Babble who has played both E33 and Rebirth. And Rebirth is just an objectively better game in every way

not beating the moron allegations I'm afraid

And Rebirth is just an objectively better game in every way

HOLY KEK

Your comparison doesn't work because you think a AAA budget means you're gonna get a good video game and that's not the fucking case, it hasn't been the case with Final Fantasy for the past twenty years. When FF was still good AND had a huge budget it's because these games would still be AA budget by our current standards.

so what's the problem then? you have the FF games you want, they just don't have the brand name anymore.

What does Ainsley have to do with this?

So it's cool if you never get Bravely 3, because Dragon Quest 5 exists.

Who?

Best game that came out last year but 99.99% of Anon Babble won't play it cause the site is now overrun by retarded brown "people" that only play what the media tells them to play.

Square Enix only cares about cutscenes.

me: you don't have to care about FF anymore because SE is making new games like the old games with a different name

you: SO YOU'D BE HAPPY IF WE DON'T GET NEW GAMES BECAUSE OLD GAME EXISTS??????

scientists must study your skull to invent new helmets because I've never seen a denser man in my life

Why couldn't Square Enix just give us what we wanted?

Because you turn-niggers don't actually buy turn-based games.

You didn't buy X-2. You didn't buy XII. You didn't buy XIII. You didn't buy XIII-2. You didn't buy XIII-3. You didn't buy Octopath Traveler. You didn't buy Octopath Traveler 2. You didn't buy Bravely Default. You didn't buy the Final Fantasy Pixel Remasters...

It is quite literally your own fucking fault that SE abandoned you whiny and stingy poor fags. Suck it down, man babies.

Octopath doesn't have crystals, chocobos, Gilgamesh.
My comparison was about wanting to watch Scrubs season 5, not ER. Nothing to do with budget.

I don't buy animeslop, SE needs to go back to making realistic games.

All those games sold more than Rebirth and XVI though.

SE is probably already working on FF17, to be another one character action slop.

Then Dragon Quest XI, you fucking idiot. It's okay to never get a new F-Zero, some indie companies made hovercar racing games that aren't F-Zero!

You didn't buy X-2. You didn't buy XII. You didn't buy XIII. You didn't buy XIII-2. You didn't buy XIII-3. You didn't buy Octopath Traveler. You didn't buy Octopath Traveler 2. You didn't buy Bravely Default. You didn't buy the Final Fantasy Pixel Remasters

I bought all of them. And XII, XIII, and XIII-2 aren't turnbased by any stretch of the definition. I didn't buy XV or XVI.

You didn't buy X-2

Cringe animesloppa

You didn't buy XII

Not turn based also boring

You didn't buy XIII

Not turn based also shit game

You didn't buy XIII-2

See above

You didn't buy XIII-3

See above

You didn't buy Octopath Traveler

Faux indie pixelsloppa

You didn't buy Octopath Traveler 2

See above

You didn't buy Bravely Default

Tendie animesloppa

You didn't buy the Final Fantasy Pixel Remasters

Garbage remasters

12 is literally just ATB with full character movement

It is. Kike shill

What exactly makes CO so different from other RPGs that people like it so much?

he thinks he can call me an idiot after posting his initial reply

lol
anyway your own retardation aside, yes if a brand isn't offering you something you want while another brand does, you should buy the other brand. this is EXTREMELY basic stuff here anon.

lol
lmao

We did buy those games though.

well-written characters

mature story and deep themes

incredible OST

breathtaking visuals and artstyle

epic multi-stage bosses with memorable designs and a huge variety of attacks

fun, strategic combat where each character has their own mechanics/synergies, and a ton of depth with lumina tinkering

parry/dodge system combined with learning enemy/boss movesets makes each encounter gripping and exciting even if the strategy elements have become a bit stale

a huge and detailed overworld with a ton of side content and attention to detail

people really think FF12 isn't ATB because you queue an action and wait for the bar to fill instead of waiting for the bar to fill before selecting an action.

It treats the player like an actual adult instead of an emotionally stunted Jap manchild who peaked in high school

Yrah, you're a fucking moron the issue is that the other brand ISN'T offering ehat I want since what I want is specific to Brand A. Show me the Chocobos, Moogles, crystals, espers/eidolons, etc in Octopath. Show me the F-Zero car design, music, characters, and health-to-boost meter management in Fast RMX or Redout. You can't.

ATB isn't true turn based and was the slippery slope to FF becoming action slop

this

noooo you don't get it I need superficial elements like a big yellow bird or I can't enjoy any other SE produced turn based RPG

sounds like a skill/intelligence issue.

Can you give counter examples of what JRPGs tend to do? I honestly don't play that many. I know a lot of western RPGs have failed lately on having likable or interesting characters but I'm not sure JRPGs have that exact problem.

ATB only really works well in CT anyway because there's actual mechanical incentives to wait for multiple character's turns to queue up.

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That was in 2023. Sales have probably reached 10 million by now. The Switch 2 release is also under way with lots of support from Nintendo.

Nobody should be surprised that SE feels no obligation to make AAA turn-based games anymore.

Most JRPGs are written by people that failed to even write Shonen manga so you end up with terrible thin characters and poorly written garbage story.

quotes shit nobody said

Masterful display of stupidity. I fucking love Octopath 1 and 2 both. Still isn't Final Fantasy. I think it's pretty impressive how you're able to post on the Internet without a functioning brain.

or I can't enjoy any other SE produced turn based RPG

Nobody says they don't enjoy those games though.

They should have never made any SaGa or Seiken Densetsu games since they already made Final Fantasy! It's all just the same shit, haha!

You haven't played E33.

FF has been slop since IV

Holy shit you guys sound retarded

Don't respond to shitposters.

masterful display of stupidity

thanks, means alot coming from an expert like you.

literal who

It takes 10min for anyone with access to a search engine to find out that the most vocal of the bunch are nepo-babies who have started their career in senior positions in different mega corporations.

no argument

I'll never be even close to what you achieve effortlessly.

Pretty much

They would post a sales milestone like they did for Remake, and XVI, and Octopath, and DQ3, and Pixel Remasters.

me: you should play new franchises that appeal to you more if the old one no longer does

you: SO YOU THINK THEY SHOULDN'T MAKE ANYTHING NEW?????

you might be even more retarded than the other guy, they're going to have to invent a new drill to crack that dome of yours

The problem with the Western audience for JRPGs, is they don't understand that this stuff is literally aimed at ten year olds. That's why they all have the same basic as fuck character tropes and basic as fuck "coming of age" themes.

Not true. X was good.

This retard is why gatekeeping is important. Tourist ruined FF and they don't even buy it.

still claiming people who want more old thing don't play new thing as well

You talk an awful lot about intelligence while not having any yourself.

no argument

my argument had already been made here man, you just want to cry about brands. not going in circles with you because you're eager to be called a moron by internet strangers.

Well, what people actually want in an RPG, is a good story. The whole real time vs turn based discussion is a red herring.
If FFXVI had better storytelling, it would be a great game. There's nothing really wrong with it on the front of being a fun, playable video game. I just don't care to spend time in that world. It's lame.

Are the contrarians coming out of their holes to say they like ff13 and 15 now just to shit on the fr*nch?

looks like noone buys it lmoa

Yeah, stone touch+death touch+ quick hit on every character is the pinnacle of design and will never be surpassed

13-2 was legitimately great as well as LR.

You're the only one going in circles, chasing your tail. Multiple people have explained why you're a fucking idiot. You haven't ever counterargued nor .

the only thing gatekept here is you and understanding basic consumer dynamics

Gross

mix of corporate bloat, bad actors worming their way into steering development and prideful boomers doubling down on their own retarded decisions

Yes

I'd buy it if it was better. I bought both Niers.
I'm not obliged to buy games that are kind of mid.

Rebirth mogs this goyslop

doesn't like people saying they want turn based ff

Why are you here on a turn based image board when you can just use Reddit? Hypocrite.

lol
lmao

XVII

It's Final Fantasy X. Fake FFX is where the cracks first started to appear with "Square Enix". This is the first FF game in 25 years.

Because they didn't want to. Expedition 33 is literally the, "Fine, I'll do it myself" sentiment.

Barry was right and won. XV is still shit though.

Does it have a world map and free airship travel?

This game is in no way similar other than being turn-based--Scarmonde came out last year, btw.

He should buy FF when SE goes bankrupt

Yes actually

funny how remake and bravely hd were both announced at the same time for switch 2 but people only talk about bravely

you didn't counter argue these

>noooo you don't get it I need superficial elements like a big yellow bird

I did, you just didn't like it. It's just iconography anon. you worship icons and get mad at the idea that you're not going to get what you want from those icons, and you should move onto games that are spiritually the same while not having the same icons. that makes you a stinky moron.

FFX doesn't

SE has used the FF series for two major things

Push graphics

Experiment with combat

This has been the case since VII onwards
Every entry has drastically changed how combat works

Tourist ruined FF and they don't even buy it.

Why have you turn-fags stopped posting SE stock doom threads? Could it be because SE stock has DOUBLED since the release of Rebirth!?!?!?

KEKAROOOOOOO. ^^

Shart Peenix mogged

Every entry has drastically changed how combat works

You're a fucking liar. 1-10 were all turnbased.

trying to take credit for dq3hd

Grim

Alright fucking based. If so, I endorse it for honorary FFX.

Why can't more games have likable characters and a decent story?
Honestly it's just writing, you would think it would be the easiest part to get right from the very beginning.

I'm talking more than turn based verses action based. VII-X each had different combat mechanics

VII Materia

VIII Junction

IX Item Abilities

X Sphere grid/character swapping/visible turns

I got tricked into buying Remake and it was bloated slop, why would I buy the sequel that tripled down on the bloat?

What should they make next? OOT style Zelda? A game where you play as a super spy, and crawl through vents?

Nah I've played both, own both and I'm at the Gold Saucer in FF7R and about an hour after getting Esquie in E33. I definitely prefer FF7R too, it's just more of an actual game that doesn't take itself too seriously 99% of the time while E33 just feels so tryhard in comparison.

Wide as an ocean, shallow as a puddle

It doesn't have an airship, you ride on a fat Quina clone who works as your vehicle for the whole game and you only unlock flight literally at the very end of the game.

DQ 3 HD-2D released in November.

Nice try, Barry.

So many people talking shit about JRPGs just using generic platitude level critiques without actually explaining their stance, or why clair obscur is better.

You know what really grinds my gears?
Turn-based RPG elitists.

Yeah, I said it. These guys act like the year is 1997 and Final Fantasy VII just dropped for the first time. Every time a new RPG comes out that dares to use real-time combat, they burst a blood vessel on Reddit like Square Enix just murdered their childhood.

‘Waaah! Why isn’t this turn-based?! Why can’t I wait politely for the enemy to punch me in the face before I respond?’

Look, I like turn-based games. I grew up with ’em. But guess what? It’s 2025. Game design evolves. Just because you like staring at menus like it’s a goddamn Excel spreadsheet doesn’t mean everyone has to.

And don’t even get me started on the smug “Baldur’s Gate 3 saved RPGs” crowd. Good game? Absolutely. But acting like Square Enix is on life support because Cloud didn’t wait his turn to swing a sword? Shut the hell up.

Final Fantasy isn’t a genre — it’s a sandbox of ideas. Every game reinvents itself. You want turn-based? Go play Dragon Quest. You want action? Fire up Rebirth. You want both? Congratulations — you’re normal.

So to all the gatekeeping crybabies out there who can’t handle real-time combat, I’ve got one thing to say:
You know what’s really turn-based? Real life. So take your turn, shut up, and let the rest of us enjoy good games without your whining.

Okay but you lost though?

I platinumed both
Ff7r is more of a videogame while exp33 poses as one, i stopped paying attention to the gameplay since it is devoided of strategy halfway through, its too broken and one dimensional.

You're laying it on a bit thick you have to be more subtle with your bait.

Retard

Nobody won or lost. Nobody besides faggots like you care about tribalistic bullshit like this. We just want good games and all we care about is whether the game is good or not.

You don't need to sign your posts.

But this new game is mood and totally me and everyone agrees, cope faggot

Remake was fucking terrible

16 was real C- material

Rebirth and Ecp 33 were 9/10 games I greatly enjoyed, and despite their flaws I can't immediately think of games that did any better

Did people who say this even play FFX? The game that is linear until 20 hours after which you unlock a menu to travel in for the rest of the game?

Plenty of great TB games have come out in the past 10 years, but good 3d graphics is all that matters to you all. Posers.

I've never played an RPG with good combat aside from Souls. It's also way easier to fit turn-based combat in with the design of RPGs, the exploration, and the quests.

E33 is too broken and one dimensional

That is why braindead turnfags like though.

All those games pre Octopath were successful though, so clearly people bought them.

SE needs to go back to making realistic games

Which was the last non anime slop game for you, you colossal faggot as literally all FF games are heavily anime influenced.

Kill yourself shill I'm still not playing this woke trash

I swear I seen this same thread like 5 times already

Yes, I agree that the new game is good, retard. Where did I say that I thought it was bad?

I really do think despite how sucked off X is that it actually was the 1st game to move away from what I liked about older FFs
I hated how linear the areas were
I hated that the airship was just a fast travel
It lost a bit of the exploration the older games had

Hell even ffxvi was anime as fuck with the main final theme singing about the power of friendship and the whole kaiju battles youtu.be/lvXJmaMm4U0?si=l-llMF6_kSLVyMue

But acting like Square Enix is on life support because Cloud didn’t wait his turn to swing a sword? Shut the hell up.

The enjoyment of turn based comes from creating builds and strategies. 33 has fun builds and strategies but it's all invalidated with the parry system where anything you do in the game simply doesn't matter if you can parry or dodge. I liked 33 a lot for the story and it's a game I will never replay due to the shitty combat unless there's some mod that removes parrying / dodging and turns it into a traditional rpg but I doubt that would ever happen.

Exploration that Kino 33 has

I really do think despite how sucked off X is that it actually was the 1st game to move away from what I liked about older FFs

They admit this openly. If you watch or read pretty much anything about the design of FF9 they say "Well JRPGs in general, and specifically Final Fantasy are becoming something else entirely as the new generation comes along so we made a love letter to the "old" FF to send it off well."

E33 strategies

use Maelle weapon that start her in virtuoso and deal maximum damage in one turn

HOLY FUCK SUCH STRATEGY BIG BRAIN IM LIKE SO SMART!!!!!!!!

I'm still pretty early in the game and I stopped bothering trying to get in virt mode because the enemies die before I can even make use of it

uh did you actually read what I posted
ah well I have no time to be elaborate but however you took my post flip the nuance

Something 99% of the """fans""" like to gloss over. It was jarring seeing them shit on FFXIII for the same exact issues that X had. The only difference is that they were kids when they played X and had discovered/v/ by the time XIII came out.

probably 9 or 6

Both are anime as fuck, what? You literally kill Kefka with the power of friendship

9 is more like a story book

RPGs are rated by individuals on how much they want to fuck the characters and then everything else warps around to construct their opinion to support whether or not they like it (based on wanting or not wanting to fuck the characters)

Where's your the nuance in "FFX didn't have a world map or free airship travel?" FFXfags would be far less annoying if they weren't so condescending and tried to parallel every single decent rpg with their game that is the entire reason later games were extra heavy on story and linear design.

You only get stendhal and gommage in the late game tho.

it's over

I’ve had my eye on this game for a long time. Looked interesting, looked flashy, looked fun. For me, it was good enough to try out. I kept my expectations low, because it’s become a necessity these days if you want to avoid egregious levels of disappointment.

I bought it day one, I wanted to support it, and I feared that the Oblivion Remaster shadow drop would take away attention, therefore sales (it did not).

I’ve been taking my time with it. I’m probably halfway through Act 2, and have gone out of my way to explore optional side content.

I love turn based RPGs. I’ve played Persona 3-5. I’ve played literally every Final Fantasy mainline title. I’ve played Chrono Trigger. Several Mario and Luigi titles. Love them all

I love action based RPGs. Kingdom Hearts. The Elder Scrolls. Diablo. If you were to name a game that has some sort of dedicated following, or positive critical consensus, I’ll probably have, at the worst, a somewhat positive opinion about it.

Point is, I really like RPGs, however, I find Expedition 33 to be aggressively mediocre with its RPG mechanics, and a bad game overall.

I cannot, for the life of me, understand the hype around this game. It’s not a matter of simply not vibing with it. I don’t really vibe with the Nier games, but I’ve played them from start to finish and can understand when somebody else says it’s their favorite game of all time. I honestly find Expedition 33 to be a middling misstep, and an overall slog that leaves a lot to be desired.

Bullshit. FFIX being good does not suddenly make it "not anime"

youtu.be/LeNOqDtBI70?si=zyFOEqyiKKOWo9ld

It's not anime at all.

Allow me to try to explain:

The environment is ugly. Yeah this might shock some people. Don’t get me wrong, it would look good if the art direction was edited and the world was juxtaposed a bit more. However, the world is very abstract, and surreal. Terrain floats, and has broken apart, I believe they refer to this as “The Fracture”. The topography of the land has morphed into something resembling a Dali painting, and this comes at a great loss at world building when everything looks wacky, artistically edgy, and trippy. Nothing stands out, nothing feels special, because it’s all just colorful slop. If there was semblance of a relatable world that could be used to juxtapose against these amalgamated locales, it would have made them stand out more. Not to mention the bloom effects feel outdated and amateurish. It’s obnoxious how much blinding bloom there is. Fidgeting with the settings can help mitigate this, but it doesn’t do much to alleviate it. As it is, everything just looks ugly and it’s difficult on the senses which leads me into my next point.

Navigating this melted world is just not fun. There are no notable landmarks due to everything looking like a drug induced Dr. Seuss painting. It’s hard to orient yourself. Progressing from point A to point B feels like a chore due to several winding paths and branching hallways, most of which don’t provide any utility other than providing a “Colour of Lumina” if even that. From a technical standpoint, this also showcases some gameplay jank. The characters get stuck on objects pretty frequently, or stutter awkwardly when running over terrain. It doesn’t control well, and it’s made especially worse when you realize several optional areas require platforming. You know those dogshit meme games all the streamers and influencers make a quick buck off? Only Up? Yeah those “joke” style games are featured heavily as optional challenges. It really cheapens the world’s exploration out of fear.

1-10 were all turnbased.

I love franchise "fans" who are super reductionist in regards to evolving mechanics. 1-3 did not use ATB, they used a traditional round based system. FF1 had jobs, but you couldn't change or customize outside of promoting. 2 had the Quest 64 insane nonsense of doing a thing raised that stat (yes I know FF2 predates Q64). 3 was the first proper introduction to the job system as it has existed throughout the franchise. 4 had a 5 man party, and it was the first game to use ATB. 5 was an iteration of the job system of 3, still using ATB. 6 had character specific mechanics like Sabin's Blitz, and the prototype Materia system through Magicite granting specific spells and summons. 7 had limit breaks and the materia system and a party size reduction to 3, 8 had more active participation in Limit breaks and the junctioning system, 9 had abilities learnt from equipment, 10 returned to a traditional turn based formula, and had character swapping mid combat. XI was an MMO, 12 had gambits and the license board, 13 Paradigm shifts and Staggers. to say the franchise never played around with mechanics is hilariously misinformed and ignorant at BEST.

Gameplay wise, I just don’t find it interesting. For the same reason I don’t like Final Fantasy 8’s draw mechanic, I don’t like any of the player mechanics. I think Sciel is the biggest offender here by introducing her card mechanic. How is this a tangible thing? Why does she fight with a card/point system? It just feels arbitrary, in the same way drawing magic was in FF8. It feels like a gimmick that doesn’t lend itself to any kind of in-world tangibility. Additionally this is more of a QTE rhythm game than it is a turn based RPG, which I mean could be cool, but I’d argue leans way too heavy into the QTE mechanics. Dodging and parrying is the big emphasis here, you can also jump, as well as do a super parry lol. This QTE system has dominated over the turn based mechanics for the entire game so far. I also want to quickly speak on menus, they suck and are clunky lol. That’s it.

Story wise… and this is the big one… it’s not interesting. The initial premise of the gommage and the paintress does seem somewhat interesting at first, but so far there has been nothing else to make me care about it. The pacing feels completely off. Things just sort of happen, without any kind of prose, buildup, anticipation, etc. Something very “shocking” happens in Act 1, but it comes out of nowhere, and the game really wanted me to care about what just happened, but I couldn’t. I don’t really want to spoil it so I can’t speak much on it. There hasn’t been any sense of story progress, it’s the same motivation with the same weak characters since the beginning.

I think it’s funny that the “current thing” is to relentlessly call anything affiliated with AI, “AI Slop” yet this game literally feels created by an AI lol. The way the world looks. The gameplay parry and dodge gimmicks. Sciel’s stupid foretell card system. It all feels like something an AI would assemble together, as if it’s just hitting some sort of gaming terminology checklist.

It's flaws really start to show in Ancient Sanctuary. All it takes for people to call something goty is a good ost and a strong first 3-4 hours. These people literally ignore turn-based games, but speak as authorities on the genre in these threads. I'll likely finish it, but the fans are disgustingly annoying and likely didn't even finish the game. They're worse than Signalis fans at this point.

This game is being praised to the heavens. I saw a discussion the other day talking about how GOTY was actually too small, and that this game is actually deserving of a title like “game of an era.”

So far, being probably over halfway in, I’d give this game a 6/10. This is not me being contrarian, I legitimately find this game to be a slog, and even objectively speaking in multiple areas, bad. What am I not seeing

villain speech about how all went according to plan

transformations

energy beams

gaudy and colorful machinery that also happens to have God powers

I HAVE THE POWER TO CONTROL ALL SOULS

Planet gets destroyed, but none of the good guys die

You either don't know anime tropes, don't watch anime, or are talking out of your ass. Every single FF game has strong anime tropes. XII was the only game to step away from this.

Fuck off with your Reddit copypasta

You're brown

The environment is ugly. Yeah this might shock some people. Don’t get me wrong, it would look good if the art direction was edited and the world was juxtaposed a bit more.

that stood out to me too, there's a shit ton of visual clutter in the world design for this game. give it some breathing room

agreed. i love the game but the art direction was a miss. everything's so busy.

Market research says that kids don't like turn based.

Market research says kids fucking love turnbased games.

see

even XII has anime nonsense via Quickenings.

and honestly Sakaguchi too at this point

Fantasian is fucking incredible. Fuck you.

posts ff7

immediately breaks thread in half

what's with this game that makes Anon Babble seethe so much? Is it really just because it's not turn based?

I've been rating the game on how much I love all the picto and lumina stuff.
Ever since the game's initial reveal. I've been excited for this stuff.

Is it really that exciting?

Every character gets every passive you want all the time with no limitations

Isn't really that interesting?

Rebirth is a better game but e33 has better pacing and a less convoluted story

Zoomers seething they weren't alive when ff7 released

>Every character gets every passive you want all the time with no limitations

But that's bullshit. You don't have the lumina to give all the characters all the luminas.

This game is going to cause a trend of killing off the 'main' character 1/3 in, isn't it?

Because you turn-niggers don't actually buy turn-based games.

No nigger, we dont buy sloppa.
All your listed "games" are insanely shit (except XII who was decently mid and not even turn-based you fucking retard)

I bought X-2. I bought XII (and loved it). I bought XIII and enjoyed it. I bought XIII-2. Skipped Raitoningu Returns because it was cancer. I bought Octopath Traveler. It sucked and was an enormous waste of money. I skipped the rest because they looked like cheap, unappealing trash.

Suck my 9 incher, fucktard mutts.

I have retarded friends therefore the game is good

lol

Stendhal is late game
Also I didn't use Maelle, git gud

also LOL at implying FF combat from 12-16 has been anything but retard faceroll city

I think youre just desperate to try and prove that anime isn't cringe

By your own logic FF should never return to action games since FF16 sold so poorly.

b-b-but turn-niggers aren't stupid

The two first statements are true, and the third is potentially true (or maybe the one that says it is lying). Statistic exists, individual cases also exist.

as opposed to using hyper + Omnislash or Knights of the Round Table to delete anything in classic FF7 hmm?

I was never defending anime; I was calling out retards on this board speaking with confidence on genres and series that they clearly barely played. A game not looking like Atelier or Xenoblade doesn't magically remove Japanese elements from Japanese games

tonpepe :o

How many copies did it sell again?

Cry more, womanpreet.

to be fair Omnislash and KOTR are both locked behind optional minigames, where E33 just hands you the keys to break the game in half via main story progression. Chocobo breeding is much more involved than just getting the ability to uncap your damage by beating a story boss

we're talking quality here anon, not sales. a no doubt foreign concept to you though, considering your singular means of appraising a game's quality is steam charts. lord knows you don't actually play any videogames to form your own opinions

I don't get either complaint. Its a choice you consciously make.
Thats like complaining the game is easy after you set it to easy mode. Just don't do that

seethe

What the market says is that the kids love dodging more like.

You dont need chocobo breeding to get Omnislash (nor KotRT actually, but it's faster). You can miss Medalum pretty easily too and Stendhal is not broken before you can set it up with last chance + another turn.

I can sort of agree, but I do think it should be on the devs to develop a balanced experience instead of asking the player to self impose restrictions so they don't just dog-walk the game. I have no issue imposing certain restrictions on myself depending on the game but I would prefer that truly gamebreaking stuff be locked behind the hardest challenges the game has on offer, so you can take the broken shit on a victory lap instead of using it trivialize the hardest challenges.

I love turn-based, but I am not buying them until I can get them on sale for 5 bucks

Time to boot up GTA5 and Skyrim!!!

....years pass...

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WHY DOESN'T SQUARE ENIX MAKE TURN-BASED GAMES ANYMORE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I'M GONNA DIE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

The eternal turntard

Omnislash falls under the optional minigame umbrella. note I said minigameS, as in I'm talking about both arena grinding and breeding, I just used chocobo breeding as a counter to Painted Power/Maelle's painter skills in terms of complexity and time investment needed to acquire something really powerful.

As for Stendhal, I can only speak for it's state pre-patch as I beat the game before it got nerfed, but it very much worked just fine without any setup in combat.

just getting the ability to uncap your damage

You can beat all the Weapons way more easily without Omnislash or Knights of the Round Table than beating the optional endgame bosses in Ex33 without uncaping (unless you are a parry god).

Are we talking damage overflow exploits or legit strategies?

The environment is ugly.

Opinion disregarded.

why would you need exploits lmao?
do you think the weapons are particulary hard fights? I beat Emerald without the submarine materia and a team of Cid / Vincent / Red XIII when I was 12 years old.

man this is so based. just a simple dude doing whatever on maya on his pc and simply broke Anon Babble

Rebirth and SaGa are both better games and they came out last year. Maybe you should play more games

Emerald no, Ruby is a bit of a pain though so I'll usually just omnislash spam. been awhile since I've bothered with it though

lol
lmoa

yeah because of the sandpits gimmick mostly, but if you beat Emerald before you have mastery materias available for Ruby anyay

+400 other people from 3 countries and my millionaire dad's connections and money

Dick riding like a pro.

So voice actors are devs now?

that desk doesn't look like someone's whose dad is a millionaire

400 other people

not even 50

Because what I want is big budget major releases with Final Fantasy branding and turn based combat.

I don't need shittier DMC. I have actual action games for that. FF should STAy THE FUCK IN IT'S LANE.

Bravely Default is nothing like what I want.

Rebirth isn't even better than the game it is based on

Rebirth is so bad it's actually detrimental to the OG FF7 lmao

Don't try to fit in while you post Demake Shitfa art.

Romancing Saga 2 was really good. I'm not sure why it's not talked about. Very flexible combat, robust rpg elements, cool looking bosses, runs well on most computers, good looking and fast menus, decent challenge and enjoyable story, AND nobody cared about it. Troon based tards deserve to be mocked, they're one of the loudest gaming minorities on the internet and they fight among themselves within their own genre of games.

I'm not sure why it's not talked about.

Because it looks like generic animeslop.

at least wait 2 more comments before samefaging. Retard

looks like shit

remake

0 narrative depth

0 marketing

truly a mystery of our times!

but what anime jrpg doesn't look like that?

I don't know I don't play anime slop

they gave me exactly what i wanted for FF7R and 16

fpbp

You’re actually retarded kys

Romancing Saga 2 was really good.

Yes, but not that godawful remake

The brand means something and pretending it doesn’t is fucking ass aids. You can pretend to be above it all but people have standards and the standards were set by OG Square before they got brain worms. No one wanted 16 and everyone wanted EX33. Combofags didn’t even want 16.

the game has like 2-3 superbosses that are challenging,

as opposed to what "challenging" other turnbased jrpgs?

You lost me. In case that somehow didn't follow from the reply chain, I'm not defending the actual FFX in any way (even if I did have a good time with the game in itself), quite the contrary, I'm saying that E33 having those features would make it more worthy to be FFX than the FFX we got was. I am in the "real FF ends at IX" camp.

This turn based combat dick sucking that has suddenly sprouted back up, after the 90's and early 00's were spammed with them is kind starting to get annoying. At least Square has tried different things instead of going back to a combat system they already spammed and mastered for 17 years.

This won’t stop till moral improves and square stops being faggots

I am in the "real FF ends at IX" camp.

based

This is sorta true but that’s not because EX33 is a bad game. There’d be obvious mistakes that a game with higher budget wouldn’t exhibit that are in EX33. Beyond that EX33 is about as AAA in terms of presentation that a game can get before it’s actually just AAA.

It’s literally not and I loved Rebirth. EX33 is easily the best JRPG we’ve gotten in 20 years. I’m actually a huge remake saga apologist so I’m not saying this to shit post.

oh no no no

Does any game use the Turn Order mechanic from FFx?

the remake was good

literally Expedition 33 nigger, are you retarded?

It could be near-perfect but I'm not playing anything 7R unless it somehow becomes transcendentally perfect.

I bought BD.
Also pretty sure the 13 saga sold well so this is obviously a meme
And even if all this was true why the fuck is EX33 flying off the shelves?

XII still has plenty of anime stuff thoughbeit. Quickenings as mentioned, but also a lot of the cutscenes are just anime scenes with more flowery dialogue in everything from the framing to the pacing to the dialogue itself in Japanese. Not to mention some bosses like Gabranth do crazy anime sword combos as their supermoves and the Espers have similarly over-the-top supermoves as well.
The most subversive thing about XII is that you don't kill the god pulling the strings, though Revnant Wings tries to set the stage for that in a theoretical third XII game that'll never happen.

not the only one.

still waiting for the 2 millions sales announcement of Redditbirth tranny? holy kek

IM GONNA CALL PEOPLE THAT SHILL FOR GOOD GAME JEWISH BECAUSE IT WAS MADE BY A WESTERN TEAM

AM I JAPANEWE NOW TOYOTA SAN?!?!

Damn I didn't know a game had to sell well for me to enjoy it

KEK why is this image so funny???

I never played it so how would I know

You should give it a try
youtube.com/watch?v=W8H3JWd7Q4w

The problem is unironically the audience. Squenix made several games with interesting skill-rewarding battle systems in the 2000s and 2010s. If you actually like playing video games and not just watching them, there's a lot to get out of their systems and mechanics.
But the games get criticized for not having pointless minigames, not having a world map that's effectively just a wide hallway, and not having an airship that you can visit like 2-3 locations with that aren't progression-related, not because these things would make the games better, but because they're desperately looking for something to recapture the childhood wonder of playing their first FF.

If this game is a slog you’re a nigger with ADHD. Main story is like 25 hours long.

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BarryBUMPAN

No it doesn’t. To get most of the optimal Pictos you have to go to places like Renoirs Drafts/Dark Shores or fight super bosses like Sprong and Serpernphare.

It was pretty damn mediocre when I played it on mobile. Cool diorama maps at least

Yes, people criticized the post-psx final fantasies because they didn’t feel like lived in worlds. You are correct.

FFXIII

opinion discarded tastelet faggot

Good. Rebirthfags need a taste of their own medicine

Normies really fucking love “press button to negate damage” “gameplay.”

E33: 2 million copies @50 dollars in two weeks

Final Fantasy: 3 million copies @70 dollars in a single day

Square Enix is impressed and scared

Turn-troons suffer from severe brain rot. KEK

It's a legit 5/10 and the only reason it's praised is because of an aggresive fake hype marketing.

True.

This nepo baby meme isn’t gonna stick nigger

FFX was criticized for the same reasons as GTA4. Removing features/gamplay for the sake of [???] instead of better everything that came before. But that was silenced by all the kids who were too young to care.

What’s it like being a street shitting jeet?

FFags playing damage control by shitting on the superior game

*yawn*

Jrpg legacy mega studio with bazillion following, budget and teams

vs

First game of literally who devs AA studio of 33 frogs + a dog

btw where 2 million sales announcement for Redditbirth tranny? kek

Why are you acting like rebirth didnt just come out? kill yourself you ungrateful fuck

kek good one

Bump

Just wait until SE announces that 15 million copies of Remake have been sold. Turnfags will cry us a salt mine.

KEK

Like FF games
Like E33
We exist

"2 more weeks! 2 more weeks!"

Westoid game no thanks

I don’t get the gripe with FF7Rs combat, personally I enjoyed it. Sure it wasn’t a return to form but I thought the use of materia and abilities still forced you to strategies especially when facing some of the later bosses. Especially Sephiroth.

I refuse to actually play it but it seems decent, my biggest complaint is stagger will always be retarded.

It was a return to form, lol. Its the best combat in the entire franchise.

gr8 b8 m8 i r8 8/8

8 needed a remake more than 7
junctions and draw are the most pants on head retarded shit in the universe

I though it was the best action / ATB hybrid possible.

cheers m8. to another 2 decades of whining that FF isn't ATB anymore instead of moving on

plenty of games, off the top of my head

SMT3 (turn order is not shown though)

Lost Odyssey

Expedition 33

DQXI (3D Mode only, 2D mode reverts back to round based combat)

Damn remember when the SE haters spammed the stock #s?
Can't do that anymore I guess

wait I'm retarded SMT3 has a round based system too, though turn order within those rounds is based on agility

i bought 10, the remake, 10-2, 12 remake, 13 and 13-2.

I think a few of the Gooch's games after leaving SE do. Fantasian kinda does it innit?

I don’t get the gripe with FF7Rs combat

I mean.. It can be. Problem is Sqeenix keeps trying to remake Kingdom Hearts 2 FM which was their magnum opus with a franchise that has no roots or rights being a ARPG. The hype around E33 feels like a big fuck you give us another FFX to Squeenix.

I 'member. :)

I like FF16 and this game, but one of them definitely needed another year or two of development and for someone to tell the director and producer to copy kingdom hearts more instead of just smoothing out any complexity that would challenge a literal invalid
I think FFVIIR is a travesty but just like the rest of Toriyama's games its fun
I look forward to DQXII being edgy but turn based

I dislike how much it forces you to swap characters

I've played both, I had to drop rebirth after fighting Gilgamesh, so I didn't even bother finishing it, just felt so fucking tedious to play. Maybe it's because I've played the original to death but even trying to reinvigorate the story with spooky ghosts isn't enough to keep me interested when I already know what is going to happen.

I am currently playing SMTVV for the first time, just fresh from having finished Nocturne for the first time too.
Holy shit, just 10 hours in and it's already miles better than XVI, and NOT because it was an "action game" but because it felt like a slog to play.

I don’t know if it’s because I have adhd but I loved that aspect lol. The feeling of constantly being on your toes while managing your party is so much fun

kek

Nigger I literally play GG and SF competitively, Fighters being a genre which assblast anything you could find in any rpg combat system ever in the "think fast!" department, yet I still enjoy turn-based rpgs and find Demake/Plebbitbirth combat mid as fuck.
But combat is a masterpiece when compared to the atrocious story and tone changes.

I literally play GG and SF competitively

I believe you. And i used to play tekken 7 competitively. Actually, i won evo a couple of times already. And my dad works at Nintendo

And my dad works at Nintendo

it explains the faggot genes kek

Are you butthurt that TFG takes more skill and real-time thinking than RPG?
Holy retardo

Bump

GG player calling anyone a faggot

kek