Today at law school is asked my professor is arthas could be convicted of any crime...

today at law school is asked my professor is arthas could be convicted of any crime.he didnt know who he was so I explained to him the situation and after thinking for a good 10 minutes and going over similar case law he said no judge in the country would ever convict arthas, but uther could be court marshialed

law =/= morality

A flag with gilded edges signifies an admirality court. An admirality court signifies a naval time court martial. I cannot be court martialed twice!

Arthas is being a bit dramatic here, but Uther leaving is the worst possible thing he could have done.

I feel bad for your law professor given how god-awful your English is.

This scene is Anon Babble vs reddit dramatized

I'll replay wc3 after a gorillion years and I'll make a threat about this once I've re-experienced the whole situation. Stick around

AS YOUR FUTURE KING I ORDER YOU TO PURGE THIS CITY

Glad you could bake it, Uther.

Do they even have codified law in Lordaeron? King would judge him, since he was the prince.

crime.he didnt know who he was so I explained to him the situation and after thinking for a good 10 minutes and going over similar case law he said no judge in the country would ever convict arthas, but uther could be court marshialed

Then you explained it wrong.

Asking for an answer regarding the law is easy since Arthas is a prince and is second only to the king in terms of issuing "lawful" commands.

The real debate is the morality of the actions Arthas takes, which is better suited for a philosophy professor to disect.

Kill all innocents before they can become potential enemies. Genius leadership from Arthas.

Actually Arthas was in the wrong here since he advanced the plan of LE JAILER.

Arthas swore an oath in service to the Light as a Silver Hand. He had an obligation to heal the sick, not kill them before they became sick. Basically he strayed from god and acted like the democrats during covid

potential

they were doomed to become zombies after eating the cursed grain

so, shouldn't he... wait until the infected become zombies before killing them? it's not like zombie townfolk would even be a significant threat against an army of trained paladins.

Uther is not a regular general but the leader of the Order of the Silver Hand.
However integrated into Lordaeron standing army they are, they are paladins first and foremost, and their lord is the Light, not the King.

in-lore stratholme was a huge city even if it didn't look like it in-game
and a city's worth of undead would be a huge threat to the entire kingdom
it was better to kill everyone before they inevitably became undead

You should play the game, it's pretty good.

Objective best choice: Arthas'
Moral best choice: Probably also Arthas'

Best choice if the situation happened irl and in this moment of history: Uther's, because the public would destroy you for killing """innocent""" civilians so it would be better for them to turn undead and cause more victims rather than actually reducing them

we don't know how it feels being a zombie, maybe it feels fucking great, so he would not be saving anyone but instead preventing them from feeling great.

there are only two actual problems with the stratholme situation
arthas didn't bother to spare 30 seconds to explain to uther why the entire city must be purged
after the purge, arthas fell for the bait and went to northrend after mal'ganis for no reason at all

Who's reddit and who's Anon Babble? Also, who's right and who's wrong?

well, you see, the jailer was planning everything from the start, he was subtley influencing arthas to go to northrend.

impossible to make that assessment without knowing the size of arthas's war party. a zombie farmer is like a level 1 mook. makes more sense to quarantine the grain eaters. it's not like the infection is spread by air.

everthing? according to J'lor plan

the sigils? he got them

what they do? nobody knows

bow before Dunguser kino

today at law school is asked my professor is arthas could be convicted of any crime.he didnt know who he was so I explained to him the situation

Are you a chunky? Did you do presentations about video games at school too?

arthas didn't bother to spare 30 seconds to explain to uther why the entire city must be purged

I don't think this is a valid criticism. Cutscenes had to be kept short so one can imagine that Arthas did indeed explain the whole situation to Uther, accompanied by some of their best knights and officers inside a tent, perhaps discussing it for hours. Then, all that is distilled into

the city must be purged

no

It's how Stratholme itself is just a few buildings for the game when it was a huge massive fortified city that would've become an undead bulwark.

after the purge, arthas fell for the bait and went to northrend after mal'ganis for no reason at all

True, but that has nothing to do with Stratholme itself

I still don’t think Uther would have gone along with genocide if Arthas had “properly”explained it

at some point in WoW you can talk to Uther's spirit and he regrets not listening to Arthas

It wasn't genocide, unless zombie is an ethnicity.

unhealable sickness that the Light can't cure and even the Light itself says 'yeah kill him before he turns, only way to save his soul'

hurr he should just cure them

you're a gay retard

WoW

Not canon.

Well if Arthas had set up a base of operations and kept it there at Stratholme, things could have been negotiated much nicer especially since his father allows him to come home in good graces from Northrend even after Arthas had become a soulless death knight (not that Terenas knew, but the point is he was an ally to Arthas the whole way through even if he resented his decision)

is asked

jailer

Um, excuse me, but who?

the bigger badder who was pulling all the strings after the big bad sargeras was finally defeated

Given half of the world got forcefully quarantined when the 'rona happened and it wasn't an actually dangerous sickness, I believe any government or ruling entity would do what Arthas did, thus he's right and anyone who disagrees is being emotional rather than logical.

Should've asked if Uther was really guilty of treason.

Arthas is a prince, so he can easily get away with slaughtering a city, especially since he has proof that they were zombies. Luther would be court marshaled simply for leaving

Phoneposting

Idk, seems chuddy

And is that bigger badder bad with us in W3, in the room?

And then everyone clapped

It’s mass killing of innocent people. Paladins don’t do that sort of thing

You must be under age 18.
Druggies feel great most of the time and do the most crime.. most of time. Someone 'feeling good' relatively is not somekind of factor. Dahmer could only cum when he killed people.

Yes but how does that have anything to do with deciding to purge the city or not?
The cutscenes just show you a snapshot of the situation. We can assume they discussed it at length and Uther still refused to do it, leading to his regret as a ghost in WoW (whether you think that's canon or not that's up to you)
Mal'Ganis was just a god tier manipulator, and Arthas was most likely at a vulnerable spot emotionally speaking so he was at the sweet spot for Mal'Ganis to fuck with his mind. You know who could've been there to stop him? Jaina, that race mixing whore, who bailed like the bitch that she is.

be a useless mage about to marry the prince

be just eye candy for most of the campaign

one time, one fucking time you're actually needed and could've set Arthas straight

nooo muh fee fees i'm leaving

Then in trannylands he still has a hateboner for Arthas and wants to annihilate what's left of his soul.

there actually is a cure for the plague that doesn't involve killing innocent people, retard.

Anon Babble would be the player, both characters in game would be reddit.

the zombies are way stronger and tougher than a regular townsman

yeah because he became a death knight, murdered his father and destroyed lordaeron
not because of stratholme

uther, you don't understand. there's simply no way the armies of lordaeron can contend against 10,000 level 1 undead farmers. we must kill all the innocents immediately

The purging of the city is inconsequential, it’s only real consequence is Arthas’ self-exile

I forgot to answer

who is right and who is wrong?

Nobody is right and everybody is wrong.

Problem now is that any moral or legal arguments are moot since they were being influenced by an all powerful God that we didn't know about until over a decade later.

I hate nuwow so much

>one time, one fucking time you're actually needed and could've set Arthas straight

>nooo muh fee fees i'm leaving

schizo nonsense
she tried to set arthas straight in the cutscene before

yeah, it's killing them before they turn so you can save their soul, because literally nothing and no one can stop it otherwise
wowhead.com/wotlk/npc=30562/crusader-bridenbrad

our HERO could have saved us

let's wait for the problem to become an even bigger problem

go to bed, uther

behind the curtain
you DID notice the giant curtain just off to the side of the screen at all times, right?

Don't worry, an even bigger God is influencing the events and we'll find that out in 2045. Aren't you excited?

Canonically becoming undead condemns you to super hell forever regardless of what you did, so arthas was in the moral and legal right to do what he did, since heaven and hell exists, even killing someone innocent is not a big deal as you spare them super hell and send them directly to heaven.

But what was his tax policcy?

The Plague, while established many times as a very powerful affliction, was proven to be curable at least once. During the end of the Zombie Infestation World Event, the Alliance and Horde managed to find cures to the Plague, even if the converted zombies themselves could not be saved.[28]

The Plague can not be healed or weakened by individual means, with the exception of the Holy Light (regarding weakening the affliction).[29]

debunked

Ironically, he's doing what Arthas did in punishing someone for something they had no control over. Martha's was driven nuts by frostmourne.

undead in the horde

lore is just retarded, if these undead humans actually have free will they wouldn't ally their former enemies the orcs and would just align with living humans
WoW lore is just shit

thing that is irrelevant happened once

dude he should've cured them

nah Arthas was right.

he was already fucked in the head before even going to northrend
a sane person wouldn't have fallen for the bait mal'ganis set and chased him into northrend

Yes, best to let the source of the plague run away and plan again.

Seems like getting killed and resurrected makes you retarded

Ghouls don't acquire the strength of the people they convert, they are rabid monsters infused with necromantic energy and filled with diseases, when a human mutates into a ghoul it becomes another much stronger thing entirely, so yes there is some worth to killing the person before it mutates into a Ghoul.

google ai response

concession accepted gay retard

arthas' only failure was being autistic and not understanding how to effectively convey what was happening and why the purge was necessary

it's laughable that the writer for this scene still tries to claim this is arthas being evil. it goes to show that games are a large collaborative effort and can still succeed even if some of the individuals involved are retarded and don't understand their own contributions.

argent healers demonstrate that the plague can be cured with holy light

arthas doesn't even consider a cure and just starts killing people indiscriminately

time to accept that arthas was a retarded nepobaby

The writing is 1st grader-tier so it doesn't surprise me the person that wrote it is mentally retarded.

Yeah you eventually realize once you aren't a teenager anymore that the story is awfully contrived in the worst possible ways.

even if some of the individuals involved are retarded and don't understand their own contributions.

nah you're just wrong and misunderstanding something made for teenagers makes you the retard

They were too cowardly to make elf and undead races in World of Warcraft and you know what they were right. You absolutely would not have been able to field a full raid team on a regular sized server with 4 factions unless you allowed crossfaction grouping for PvE content.

it's laughable that the writer for this scene still tries to claim this is arthas being evil

Didn't designer Dave work on the level itself and not the story? I've seen a few clips of his arguing his points and he sounds like a legit retard.

yes, the lore, which proves you wrong, is accessible on google. i accept your concession

n-no it's the devs who are wrong!!!

not sure, it's all stuff i've just heard secondhand so you'd probably know more

what's there to misunderstand? it's a plague with a 100% kill-and-revive-as-evil-minion rate. what else are they gonna do, put them all into cryostasis until the current lich king can be dealt with? lmao

I mean I guess, from mmo mechanics perspectives, but that's why Warcraft setting and story is ruined, because it has to exist in shitty mmo with all the constrains.

unless you allowed crossfaction grouping for PvE content.

yeah this thing that would have improved the game... imagine if they had done that...

unironically yes

Yes, the map designer who had nothing to do with the story aspect is incorrect.

In many ways Arthas's story parallels that of Oedipus. A mysterious plague...a rambling, unhelpful prophet...friends abandoning...
youtu.be/s_L_jzb8yiM?si=VtpRffMgm0Ep6V6x&t=1081

what's there to misunderstand? it's a plague with a 100% kill-and-revive-as-evil-minion rate. what else are they gonna do

literally anything, its fiction, you could write anything

was arthas' mom hot?

Uther and Jaina leaving was the biggest retard move they could have done. Jaina even fucking knew the situation. Bitch was useless.

you could, but players are going off the actual things that WERE written, and what was actually written was that the plague was 100% lethal and would revive people as undead. so if arthas was actually supposed to be evil here, then it's a failure on the writer's part to show that there were alternatives he didn't consider.

of course, if it's just some idiotic map designer saying he's evil here, then it's irrelevant because such a person has no valuable input.

a woman had a woman moment

It would be unrealistic if she didn't.

In many ways Arthas's story parallels that of Oedipus

In many ways anons constant whining about Arthas being abandoned by his friends parallel the story ofr oedipus...

and what was actually written was that the plague was 100% lethal and would revive people as undead.

that wasn't written though

of course, if it's just some idiotic map designer saying he's evil here, then it's irrelevant because such a person has no valuable input.

Of course he has valuable input, he literally made the level and worked with the people who wrote it. Not that it matters, because the writers intention is to show you that Arthas was wrong. This is obvious to everyone who does not have a contrarian mental illness

hell, cross faction unification in response to existential threats is the core concept of the franchise.

literally anything, its fiction, you could write anything

Suddenly, Ultimate Giga Nigga 9000 came out of the ground and came all over evey single citizen of Stratholm, which cured the plague and made them all immune to it, forever. The end.

No True Paladin Fallacy

what's there to misunderstand?

arthas discovers an infected granary and blindly asserts "these people have all been infected"- without evidence.

what else are they gonna do

an investigation? quarantine? many options other than mass killing

Objectively speaking yes considering you get a game over as the city gets fucked and Mal'Ganis warps out the zombies to fuck more shit up if you don't

Listen up retarded niggers:
1)The plague was a new thing, no cure was known and it was to be observed to be lethal and turn you into undead pretty quickly, they didn't have time.
2) In the burning crusade courier dawnstrider is infected by the plague but and apothecary cures it somewhat easily because it's in the early stage
3) In wotlk crusader bridenbrad is infected by the plague and healing from cenarion, alexstrasza and the naaru fail, because it was in the late stage
4) During the patch/expansion launch events argent healers can cure it easily in the early stages but as it goes on it becomes harder and harder and this point the plague was also known for about 10 years or more too.
There you have it

The drums of WAR thunder once again you based boy.

Mal'ganis was wandering around the city, killing and turning townspeople.

Nah, it doesn't work, there was no time to cure them. It's not impossible to do, but for the sake of the argument, it was completely impractical. He was justified in trying to do what he believed was morally correct. The plague is kind of stupid, but necessary for the Arthas character to fall.

Yes, that could have happened, but we don't know what would have happened if any other avenue had been taken because Arthas didn't consider any other options and just rushed into the genocide

an investigation? quarantine? many options other than mass killing

ok now you have a city of 25k undead controlled by a demon, what do you do?

wow

no

this ai hallucinated bullshit about a fun event that wasn't part of the lore and then contradicted itself in the very next sentence so I'm right!!!

delirious ramblings of an aids infested freak who was dropped on his head as a baby

Sure buddy just cure a ENTIRE CAPTIAL CITY of people, surely there's enough doctors to do that, right?

If only magic existed in this universe

Kill the demon?

And I'm sure there's a huge surplus of magical doctors just ready to go at any moment?

shell it from a safe distance. they're just zombies and stratholme probably doesn't even have a standing army to be undead-ified.

you mean like the wizards who erected an aura to destroy any undead that walks into their city

Not that it matters, because the writers intention is to show you that Arthas was wrong. This is obvious to everyone who does not have a contrarian mental illness

i don't agree. it can easily be read that arthas is making a cold but rational decision to do what he thinks is necessary to save his people. it works just fine because this cold necessity can and is still exploited.

Of course he has valuable input, he literally made the level and worked with the people who wrote it.

it's far more likely they had a level designer team making levels, a writing team making the story, and one person or a few people coordinating how the pieces fit together with maybe some suggestions going back and forth. big game development studios have different development pipelines; artists for example just design art assets throughout, even before the story is fully written. they do this because if they had to wait on the story to be written, the artists wouldn't have enough time to complete their side and the writers would be sitting around doing nothing while other teams worked. for efficiency reasons, different teams doing different things tend to work in semi-isolation on their own pipeline.

the demon is immortal
the zombies are the army

you mean like the wizards

Not magical doctors
Its like saying anyone with a doctorate can do surgery

i don't like the lore so it doesn't count

i accept your consneedssion

It's not valid criticism because people don't understand that characters can act in character, not in logic.
It doesn't matter what you say to Uther, or how you explain the situation. His idea of righteousness means that he would never, ever, no matter what, agree to purge the city. Even if he fully understands that not doing it will cause the end of the world, he will not harm innocents.
This whole talk about "Uther should've done this or that" is fucking idiotic. He simply wouldn't. He probably would try to find a cure, even if he knows it can't be done, contain the threat and protect further innocents from coming to harm.
And that's perfectly fine and consistent with the story.

it can easily be read that arthas is making a cold but rational decision

You'd have to be completely retarded to think that Arthas is acting rationally, they literally wrote his lines and his voice actor acts his lines to sound irrational

Not magical doctors

I didnt say magical doctors, you did retard

the demon is immortal

you can kill him in the mission

Uther is part of a an armed organization commanded directly by the power structure of the kingdom of lordaeron, while Arthas was his paladin-in training, making him a subordinate as a paladin, Arthas was still the highest command rank in there, being the prince of lordaeron making him effectively command-in-chief of operations, Uther is a soldier and he committed high treason.

Yes, I actually agree with you. Uther as a character wouldn't have done it so adding a 10 minutes long Sony-tier cutscene where they discuss the situation would've slowed the pacing down for no reason at all. Uther was not going to act differently no matter what. Jaina was going to have her woman moment no matter what. Uther was going to be mindbroken after culling the city no matter what.

he sounds hard, not irrational. and either way, what matters is the perceived problem and his response, not his tone. rapidly spreading plague that turns humans into undead that will kill and infect far more. he wants to cut the problem off at the source and nobody else offers any alternatives. it's a ticking time bomb situation and his response makes rational sense given the context.

keeps screeching

very sad

and he returns

Uther was going to be mindbroken after culling the city no matter what.

Arthas*

that makes the story more interesting you fag
reality is contrived

none of that contradicts what the poster you quoted was saying

he sounds hard, not irrational.

"I don't care if that madman has seen the future"

"I'll go to Stratholme and kill Malganis myself"

i agree, your lack of argument is very sad

not if you destroy his altar

btw if he's immortal why does arthas go to to northrend to kill him

Yeah it does, morality doesn't apply in the military, you simply do what your superior orders you or you get executed.

i wouldn't trust a madman's visions either in the face of an obviously greater near-term problem and there's nothing wrong with killing a demon

Something to keep in mind, creators can be wrong about what they have created.
No matter what, Lordaeron survived because Arthas purged Stratholme. I just do not buy that Mal'ganis would not have rolled the entire Eastern Kingdoms with the army borne of Stratholme.
It was a terrible, horrific thing to do, the game makes that explicitly clear, but it worked. You simply cannot call Arthas wrong because of that. Crossing that line made him susceptible to fall further into the Scourge's hold, and he ended up destroying Lordaeron himself, but the single act of purging Stratholme, as displayed in the direct aftermath of the mission, was *a* right thing to do.

I don't care what anyone who worked on the mission says. That's what the game says.

uther, i have discovered a single grain of infected rice. we must kill all humans immediately

A+ writing, bravo kojima

I understand, you got btfo multiple times throughout the thread, have no course but to try to protect your fragile, gay retarded ego
it doesn't make it not sad, but you do what you have to do

yeah i agree. and what's written in the game is ultimately what matters.

So, your defense for Uther is that he's a stubborn retard? That would go great in court.

he says even if he did trust the madmans visions he wouldnt listen

thats not rational

can we skip the yelp review and get to the part where you present an argument? oh wait, you already did and got refuted by the lore. stay p0wnd

this was a wow thing and existed after and outside the context of warcraft 3

Something to keep in mind, creators can be wrong about what they have created.

rofl
more likely you're wrong

No I think he's right when there's 50 people working on something there's a chance that most of them will have wrong ideas about it

What would have happened if Arthas didn't purge Stratholme?

and yet it informs warcraft 3 retroactively.

but you didnt work on it

Just a friendly reminder that morality cannot exist without G-d (yes, singular).

He loves (You) all, btw.

It always felt like there was some greater death god behind the Lich King and not just "The Legion". They have completely different colors, motifs, and art styles.

Arthas and Uther die, kill countless waves of undead, get immortalized as legends. Jaina teleports out, warns the wizards who decide they must join forces with anyone capable of fighting, becomes ambassador to the horde, fucks orcs.

The Prophet: Listen to me, boy. This land is lost! The shadow has already fallen, and nothing you do will deter it. If you truly wish to save your people, lead them across the sea... to the west.

Arthas: Flee? My place is here, and my only course is to defend my people!

The Prophet: Then your choice is already made. Just remember, the harder you strive to slay your enemies, the faster you'll deliver your people right into their hands.

he doesn't explicitly say that arthas is going to become bad, just that his actions will result in his peoples' deliverance to evil. arthas doesn't really have a reason to trust the prophet's word at this point anyway and the only advice he's been given is to take his people and flee to kalimdor.

i think you could make an argument that this was an option but at that point you're getting into hypotheticals -- how many people could he actually convince? wouldn't the lich king just attack kalimdor at some point anyway? etc.

It's a very simple concept.
If some fucking moron writes a scene with one intention, but completely fucks up the script and the character is displayed differently, outright contradicting what the intention was, would you still agree that the creator is 100% in the right because he made it? No, you wouldn't, that's fucking idiotic.

One example just off the top of my head, Arcane Season 2 is full of them. Creators claim in one episode that one character was ready and willing to kill the other character. Yet the fight is constructed in such a way that they get multiple, multiple killshots but just do not take it. Am I to agree with the word above that she wanted the kill? Or do I look at what is actually presented to me and see that she outright refuses to take the kill multiple times?

arthas doesn't really have a reason to trust the prophet's word at this point anyway

Jaina tells him he's really powerful and could be right

i don't really care what retcons say. what matters is the original work and what it said. later authors can retcon whatever they want, even things that outright unmake or change what was said.

Is there an ending where Jaina doesn't fuck orcs?

ok fair, that's a reason, i don't feel like it's a particularly strong one though

i don't understand the question?

philosophy professor

aka "I know nothing and I'm proud of it"

you don't need philosophy or extensive moral debates. You already have a heart; trust in it and have faith in what it knows. It really is that simple.

Holy shit I had an aneurism reading this post. Just post in your native language and I'll Google translate it next time Jesus christ

would you still agree that the creator is 100% in the right because he made it?

How does the writer "fuck up the script"? The script is the intention.

Here's a question for you: What if some contrarian retard wants to interpret something completely different to the writers intention regardless of all the evidence and to cope he simply says "well the creator was wrong"?

WE PURGE THIS CITY WITH ROCK AND ROLLLLLL

I think he's an American phoneposting, those mistakes smell of iphone autocorrect.

It's irrelevant, Arthas admits to being irrational

Yeah, it does sound like a fairytale.

Wasn't Kel'Thuzad the lich responsible for the plagued grain?

it's a completely irrational line of thought to be sure

It's literally just a corruption of the Arthurian myth and Excalibur.

2025

wc3 Stratholm threads alive and well

Good timeline, considering.

It's the trolley problem but better

yes, but don't worry, the bigger badder bad was defeated but as it turns out, there is another bigger eviler badder bad out there that bigger badder bad was protecting us from all along!

Jaina: You! Arthas is only doing what he believes is right!

The Prophet: Commendable as that may be, his passions will be his undoing.

How does the writer "fuck up the script"?

Oh I don't know, how about like having the intention be "Arthas was 100% wrong" yet the game failing to display that Arthas was 100% wrong. If only we had an example of that.

regardless of all the evidence

Right, like the evidence that Lordaeron completely stabilized and the Scourge presence in the Eastern Kingdoms was almost entirely eradicated, as demonstrated by Warcraft 3?
If the writers' intention is law, and the script always, faithfully represents that intention, how do you reconcile that?
Or could it be that the author failed to display that purging Stratholme was the 100% wrong choice, morally, tactically, economically etc.?
You cannot. Purging the city worked. Lordaeron won, the Scourge was pushed out of the goddamn continent. That single act was 100% justifiable. The author claims it isn't. The game disagrees, even though his intention was opposite. Whole reason we have these threads. Writers can fuck up. For whatever reason, you can have lines or events in scripts that characterise people or have effects that you did not intend to convey that way. This is one such case.

I prefer the end of chapter 1 in Rogue Trader. Mainly because the choice is on (you) and the horrific consequences of being a selective moralfag are huge.
Do NOT allow Daemon Worlds to form.

Jaina is honestly up there being the biggest girlfailure in video games

Unironically Jaina is having the world's most justified woman moment. Lets look at the facts we know.

Arthas has just spent a week straight fighting the majority of undead in Lorderan

Uther came in with the royal army and basically ended the cult of the damned and their undead armies

Jaina herself spent a week failing to get the Kirin Tor to help out

Arthas and his retinue are the only ones who have seen how fast the plague works

Stratholme is the second largest human city in the world at the time

Arthas and Uther have been butting heads

So she comes in feeling relieved that her failure isn't going to be a problem. Arthas see's the grain, and already knows the city is basically doomed, gives the order for the purge. Uther throws his shit fit, Arthas disbands the Silver Hand. Jaina is left watching two incredibly important and powerful men make bad decisions due to emotional outbursts. Instead of the charming prince she's looking at the shell of a man who's at his breaking point, and her brain blue screens. She doesn't condemn him, she can't, she trusts and loves him; but she quite literally doesn't have the stomach to see his plan through.
This is why when Daelin tries to slaughter the orcs, Jaina agrees to help stop him, she's trying to avoid another Arthas situation; though she is wrong then too.

yet the game failing to display that Arthas was 100% wrong.

it doesn't fail to display that you mongoloid, you saying this over and over doesn't make it true.

Arthas takes the army to another continent leaving Lordaeron defenseless

Picks up a sword he knows is cursed just so he can have revenge doing the OPPOSITE of what Uther taught him

Kills his own father and unleashes the undead army onto his own people

Yes the game displays that Arthas was wrong

take your meds Andrew

>Arthas takes the army to another continent leaving Lordaeron defenseless

>Picks up a sword he knows is cursed just so he can have revenge doing the OPPOSITE of what Uther taught him

>Kills his own father and unleashes the undead army onto his own people

None of that has anything to do with purging Stratholme. The Northrend invasion was after that.
So, no, he wasn't 100% wrong.
Next.

anon, an interdimensional, inter galactic demon army is manipulating a prince into being their champion so they can summon their big army to destroy everything
all they managed to do was besiege a city, poison another, and convince the prince to shoot from the hip which everyone around him thought was brash, but not evil to the point that they'd stop him. The prince got upset at everyone being spineless and ran away from the protection of his lands to chase demons on their turf

Their grand plan was all to get arthas out of position. arthas wouldn't have even gotten corrupted if muradain wasn't already in northrend learning about frostmourne. Absolutely nothing is contrived, it's an honest conspiracy (which is literally like phase 5 if you consider the medivh background) to suck magic out of a tree

Not up to date on schizos, who is andrew?

Considering the civilians INSTANTLY turn into zombies if you wait 2 seconds we can assume they were in the late stage.

Are all lawyers this illiterate?

Stop. If you can write anything, then arthas can purge stratholme and revive them after because he's a paladin

None of that has anything to do with purging Stratholme.

HAHAAHA

I wish it was a more popular/relevant game, cuz that choice is a better example.

Are you retarded? The point is that you can't say what would have happened in the story because you're not the writer

WoW happens in an alternative timeline

there's a whole industry in the US for providing LLMs to wealthy students from overseas, mostly from China, the UAE, or Saudi Arabia. They never spoke in class and had no grasp of english, I'm fairly certain their english proficiency tests were faked to get in.

The whole point of the program was so they could give credibility to their law degree from whatever school they went to in their home country, since it's so easy to buy a degree overseas in the first place. They were fairly open about it the few times I got to interact with them when they were taking their smoke breaks outside. Idk why but chinese college students smoked so fucking much it's honestly wild.

why did they eat the grain?

You really need to proofread your posts before you hit post. This makes you come off as though you're 15.

What if they really are a 15 year old genius kid at law school. Have some respect.

I know very little about 40k beyond the memes? Can I get a qrd? Or a really longwinded one if you're feeling particularly autistic?

can you explain the situation to us non autists?

A bunch of cultists went around spreading plague tainted grain that turns people into zombies, Arthas takes exception to this and, rather than indulge the cultists' zombie tf fetish, elected to butcher everyone instead. Uther was too squeamish to do so, so Arthas fired him on the spot and Jaina quit in protest.

Skibidi rizzler.

40k is a setting where trying to be objectively "good" is incredibly difficult due to the sheer volume of problems that occur. Being tolerant of mutations and aliens can run the risk of Chaos cults murdering people en masse, Demons taking over the planet through unsanctioned psykers, or just plain old enslavement by aliens who don't think very highly of humanity at large. It's a setting where being prejudicial isn't wrong, but a normal and reasonable response to things that are different from you. It's a setting where the current liberal "Whig" theory of history is not only false, it directly lead to the horrible situation the setting is at.

TLDR: Don't try to be a Lawful Good paladin type, you'll only cause more suffering for your efforts.

The quick rundown is that everything good that could have happened already happened and is ancient history.

Arthas: I watch my tone with you, old man. I may be the prince, but you're still my superior as a paladin.

Uther: As if you could forget. Yes Arthas, there's something about the plague I should know. ...Oh no, it's already begun. These people may look fine now, but it's only a matter of time before they turn into the Undead!

A: What?!

U: This entire city must be purged.

A: How can I even consider that? There's got to be some other way.

U: Damn it, Arthas! As my future king, order me to purge this city!

A: I am not your king yet, old man. Nor should you obey that command even if I were.

U: Then you must consider this an act of treason.

A: Treason?! Have I lost my mind, Uther?

U: Have you? Prince Arthas, by right of succession and the sovereignty of your crown, you must hereby relieve me of my command, and suspend my paladins from service.

Jaina: Uther! He can't just--

U: It's done! Those of you who have the will to save this land, follow him. The rest of you... get out of his sight.

A: I've just crossed a terrible threshold, Uther.

J: ...Arthas?

A: I'm sorry, Jaina. You can't watch me do this.

killing druggies would also be bad

The writer said Arthas was wrong and jaina and uther were right so maybe it's time we just buried this whole thing in blizzard's grave

Arthas wasn't wrong ethically, morally or objectively. Purging the city was correct.

eh nu-blizz are a bunch of fags as evident by how dirty they did Arthas in shadowfags, treating him like fantasy hitler when most of what he did was caused by literal demonic possesion

AI bots also agree that Arthas was right.

Why didn't jainal just freeze everyone plague infected until they found a cure.

arthas purges some villagers who might become deadly zombies and suffer a fate worse than death

HE'S A MONSTER, GUILTY! THROW THE DEATH PENALTY AT HIM

Kerrigan knowingly and willingly murders billions, including personally torturing people and experimenting on them, all because she can

SHE'S A GOOD GIRL, SHE DINDU NUFFIN, STOP BEING SEXIST YOU CHUD!

What did Blizzard mean by this?

Nral's Garithos campaign honestly fixes so much shit in the lore that Blizzard should be burned to the ground and make Nral's campaign the new canon

cuz she's a virtue signalling retard. see theramore

Blizzard is pozzed
everyone knew this ever since Diablo 3 was still in production

Without empathy, human survival comes down to sheer arithmetic. AI does not have the capacity for empathy.

Why didn't Arthas, Uther, and the other soldiers just forget the town and fuck Jaina right then and there.

freeze everyone

She's not that powerful in WC3. Blizzard hadn't gone off the fucking deep end with power scaling at that point as they later would with WoW, victories were achieved through conventional military means.

Why didn't Arthas just call on the mages of Dalaran to contact the Exodar in space and ask them to relay a request for the Naaru to come and insta holy light purge everyone who turns Undead in the city?

Smoking culture in China is intense and all encompassing. I would say without hyperbole that almost every male over 15 has a massive nicotine addiction. Had to stand back a bit on the train platforms due to the amount of people just inhaling a box before the next train arrived.

Named Character Effect. They fell into the trap of not wanting to kill off any of their named characters, so even the evil ones get redeemed, especially if they're female, even more so if they're evil by tragic circumstance. Kerrigan was pretty much the blueprint for what they ended up doing with Sylvanas.

Quarantine Stratholme and see if the paladins can figure out a way to cure the plague

Jaina should have had Arthas's side in this, she's literally seen the results of what the plague can do and the monsters it creates.

Mal'Ganis teleports the zombies out

Now there's an entire city's worth of undead he can just make appear anywhere

The city had to be purged, there was no other way, literally no other way. They started turning minutes after the mission began. Uther was in the wrong, but Arthas could have handled the situation better by addressing his moral concerns instead of trying to sidestep them with his authority.

She didn't see what Arthas saw at Hearthglen. All she knew was that the grain turned people into the undead, she hadn't seen how rapid the onset was like Arthas and the other Hearthglen defenders had.

People still make "glad you could make it, uther." threads?

What else could he have done? There was no talking Arthas down, and Arthas was paranoid enough to have Urther, Jain and others detained if he suspects they would interfere.

I have some work colleagues that went to China and came back with a smoking habit. Their answer was the air in big cities is so shit that everyone smokes because smelling cigarette smoke is better than smelling the actual air.

It wouldn't work unless they did the common sense thing other MMOs with multiple factions did before it

what writer? The dumbass sylvanasfag that got fired?
That cunt didnt even know what he was doing.

WC3's campaign, no the fucking level itself makes it clear Arthas was in the right.

What else could he have done?

Helped him.

Dont worry, everyone hated what was done with Kerrigan.

she's literally seen the results of what the plague can do and the monsters it creates.

She didn't see the worse of it. Even then, she should have sided with Arthas because she loved him and could trust his judgment (he was right to purge the city). She's partly to blame for his downfall.

That's what Israel is doing with children in Gaza

Metzen is a male feminist, who had daughters and started censoring female models, because having sexy women in his games made him embarrassed in front of his daughters.

SC2 lore is a joke. A vivid example of how much quality of writing dropped.

Empathy is a human weakness. It must be purged.

How did the Jailer know that Uther would abandon his pupil in his hour of need, leading to his downfall?

Can be, not is, a lack of empathy can also be a weakness in certain circumstances. Retards who overcorrect instead of exercising proper judgement per situation are faggots.

the Jailer

Fanfiction

He just... He just did okay!?

I'll try to not turn it into some fucking essay, I swear.
At the end of the first chapter, you supposedly saved a planet, only for it to turn out that some bdsm space elves stole the sun EXACTLY when a heretic cult said the world was going to end. So naturally, everyone starts thinking "THEY WERE RIGHT" & shit. You have to escape the planet, running to a spaceport with demons spawning in because everyone has just stopped giving a shit and submitted themselves to chaos. When you get there, you fight a chaos space marine, and no matter how well you do, you can only save 3 shuttles.
After you're safe, you're given a decision: blow up the planet or evacuate as many as you can. You can't blow it up afterwards, it won't work. A tech priest also chimes in that the fusion reactor you'd detonate to accomplish this is a sacred relic and you'd be serving the imperium better by retrieving it. Problem is, even if you choose to be a moralfag, you can't retrieve the reactor AND evacuate everyone possible. Furthermore, letting the planet transform will make it a permanent base of operations that demons will attack from for the rest of the game. You will doom so many people by evacuating just some.
So naturally, blowing the planet up is the right choice, but you're supposed to feel really really bad about it. There's more, but again, this would span across several posts if I tried to cover it all.
The one extra point I will make is that you aren't OFFICIALLY a Rogue Trader (basically a king) yet, and the planet belongs to someone else, so there's also the question of whether or not you have the right to do it.

Arthas was right in Stratholme.
However, after that he recklessly pursued revenge and sold his soul for it.
After taking Frostmourne, he is no longe himself, but he does bear some responsibility for voluntarily giving himself up to it.

Kerrigan was kidnapped by the zerg and brainwashed into servitude. She had zero agency in this, and even after freeing herself from the Overmind she was, much like Arthas, no longer herself but unlike him, she had no agency in this.

le i hate le female moment

sigh... never change, v

Had to look up who that is. What the fuck was Blizzard thinking shitting on Warcraft's lore like that?

What the fuck was Blizzard thinking

"how can we spite our audience the most..."

Hope she sees this, bro.

semantics. morality is the direct conclusion of conscience

The troon within?

This is a Jigsaw / Saw meme form Anon Babble.

Operating on a lot of assumptions at that point, but it's possible Arthas would feel more inclined to consider Uther and Jaina's counsel against a Northrend expedition in favor defending a much more secure Lordaeron. At that point the Scourge was effectively hamstrung without the Cult of the Damned to freely spread the plague, and experience would prevent further incursions from Northrend. That would mean Muradin is screwed, but that's a given in every case.

so is law

in theory, sure. in reality - no. law can for example be changed to go against conscience through lobbying for personal interests

didn't play the game

Kerrigan had much more agency under the Overmind than other Zerg, it's even commented on that independence was one of the traits the Overmind wanted in its infested human commanders. After the Overmind's death, Kerrigan was completely free, she had her full agency returned. She did the things she did because she was always a murderous bitch underneath all the dominion programming, she herself literally says she's the queen bitch of the universe.

And who's initiating those changes? Some unknowable force perchance?

the corruptible human nature that loves darkness instead of the light (John 3:19). one can silence conscience or ignore it but it remains steadfast and unchanging because it is not created by men, as opposed to the human law

WC3 campaign is mid fr fr.
1v1 is where it’s at.

bringing up another human invention (religion) doesn't really help your case

The guy who said Arthas was in the wrong was a level designer. Hardly someone you could consider a driving force in the game's narrative

so, shouldn't he... wait until the infected become zombies before killing them?

And let their sense of self be completely eroded into brain-dead, easy to control undead shackled to the will of the Scourge instead of having them die as themselves and have their souls be free?

Yes, yes. Really a masterful and logical thing to say.

There shouldn't even be any factionalization in a MMO based off WarCraft.
Let the Horde and Alliance be, but they and their politickings should be in the background while players of all races can go and gang up for adventures in the form of some mercenary adventurers who take jobs from anyone, beat each other up only to later joke around in the tavern over beer.
WoW should've been Player vs Everything from the start and with no factionalization that would've resulted in the likes of Orcs and Humans being in the same party (as well as other races from opposing factions to be in the same party).
Time and again it was proven since WarCraft III that there are the likes of The Burning Legion and other destructive forces being out there wanting to turn Azeroth into burned bacon and squabbling over past transgressions will make it worse.

Incorrect. Campaign is a 10/10. 1v1 is pretty good and fun. Custom games are where it's at.
The game should unironically be in everyone's top 5.

I ate the grain

Yeah, not a bad option.

I don't think it was necessarily in bad faith per se. I think it was supposed to be a "hard choice" type of scenario where you have to do something terrible for the greater good. But get ostracized for doing what was objectively and morally correct. This driving him further into isolation and madness.

Then they tried to retcon it into "uhm he's a bad chud for doing that!"

how is Christianity a human invention again?

Both are things that need to be discarded if humanity is to achieve its true potential.

Africa disproves this.

its true potential

being?

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Élan_School

Imagine a world where every school is this school. That's the world that needs to exist.

Violent sociopathy that drowns the entire world in blood.

pack it up boys, the debate is over.

paladin wouln't mercy kill the incurably infected to save the others in other parts of kingdom

well that's a bad paladin then

kewl

the infection would spread exponentially

I'd insta purge you. Grain or no grain.

WarCraft III thread appears every once in a blue moon

it's ALWAYS about the culling of Stratholme

He's right you know.

Of course. It's the only truly memorable part of the game.

What else are we gonna talk about? Illidan consuming the Skull of Guldan?

hey someone was gonna consume it
might as well be him

the charges officer?

wrong. if you play the game, they are all instantly turned into zombies the second you break their houses, meaning it was already too late to save them.

Everything you did after picking up that damn Frostmourne.
The merc part can be ignored...mostly. You simply made yourself look like a douche here.

What a silly question. He's the son of the king, he can do whatever he wants.

Being too based

Zombies that in the lore can come back anyways after they're killed if you don't fully destroy the corpse

second biggest kingdom in Lordaeron

Paladins benefit from the Light but Undead campaign shows they can't handle an average army even with their own army

if the citizens become undead, they immediately get sent to the worst part of the afterlife after they fully succumb to death

Try again.

I would discuss how games should bring the tropical ruins aesthetic back, but I'm not sure if anyone would care.

just wait 6 years until a world event where it's only relevant for a month of game time before the plague evolves to move past it

I'm sure the citizens of Stratholme had plenty of time.

Even your example is only relevant during the event. Tirion never considered curing it once because the Light can't actually win against the plague.

Alliance niggers lose yet again, that makes what, 10,000-3?

Kerrigan had enough power to push away control that the Overmind and cerebrates had of her. Her first reaction is to murder everyone. Including good guys.

Nah you can kill them before they turn. And it's important to do so since they take longer to kill when they turn and are more dangerous.

I'm really sad Legion didn't have this type of aesthetic. Hell, you go back to the Tomb of Sargeras, and it still doesn't look like this.

SOVL

You're right it's not a human invention. It's a jewish invention.

potential

No, they were all certain to become undead soldiers. This wasn't a

stop malganis from killing and raising them

It's

every single one is already doomed and you have to act first to avoid the entire kingdom being overrun

took you long enough. and no, that would be judaism/talmudism

All abrahamic religions are jewish inventions because Abraham was a jew. And I'm not the person you conversed with prior, but it's not like a death cultist would know the difference.

doesn't matter since they turn anyways, no matter what you do, thus proving me right.

Not disputing that they all will turn. Just more talking about the game mechanics.

But yes, the whole city is already doomed to be undead. Killing them prior to them turning is a necessity and a mercy.

He legally has the right to make that call, and he's legally bound to defend the kingdom and it's people from threat. He's also bound by his paladin's vows to do so.

Morally, it's the trolley problem. Does he kill a few now to save thousands later? Yes. Fuck yes, he's morally obligated to do so, especially since he's seen the consequences of inaction. However, he's also morally obligated to stand judgement for his actions, no matter how noble they ended up being.

Christianity, Islam, and Judaism are all the same

no they're not. the last two rejected the true messiah and still await what they believe will be him but what Christianity describes as THE Antichrist. Ergo, judaism and islam couldn't be futher from Christianity if they tried

death cultist

lmao okay buddy