Why is there allowed to be good Drow but good Mindflayers are too far?

Why is there allowed to be good Drow but good Mindflayers are too far?

because the writing is bad even for dnd which has had gay bad writing for at least the last 20 years next thread

Because they literally have no souls, retard

Boring and lame meme setting with shit writting. That's why.

mindflayers can only consume and corrupt

All non-humans are evil.

Yes, but no.
Mindflayers don't have emotions like any humanoid creature.

Mindflayers don't have comprehensible emotions, don't have souls as any D&D multiverse creatures understand them, and they're inherently parasitic and expansionist

Daeehhhh why don't Wizards of da Coast do da GOOD brain-eaters huh???

I swear, rewriting the story a hundred times broke the story, it's telling and pacing past act 2. They don't have souls, even wingers or jergal mocks the dead three, but if you play as incarnation of bhaal, somehow he grows stronger, which only makes sense through souls, but illithids don't have any, wtf

reminder that the seldarine drow subrace is larian fanfiction

KILL ALL MINDFLAYERS

Hard to find a pro ablut a fictional species that's designed to be absolute evil.
I'm always buffed when thinking about bg3. It was swens life long dream, they worked like 2 years on the story before preproduction began and yet they rewrote it minutes before release.

There's a good mindflayer in the Underdark. The Emperor is about neutral/doing good through self-interest, and your character if you transform can be good too.

they all need to go

the tourists that took over the hobby heard drow means dark elf so they said its racist for they to be evil because dark = black = african

larian doesn't care for any of their games past act 1 because that's the one they leave on open beta for years and that's what people buy it for, they did the same for d:os2

Why is there allowed to be good Drow but good Mindflayers are too far?

Let me guess, next you're going to argue why are there no good AIDS or plagues? Why is it so hard for retards to understand that some things are just plain bad?

don't have comprehensible emotions, don't have souls

they're inherently parasitic and expansionist

You can say the same thing about people at 'Wizards of da Coast' as well.

You met a good mindflayer in the underdark though

LOL you are hilarious.

wow this mindflayer i met for 5 minutes seemed good

The Emperor also seems good untill his mask falls off.

Eh I can forgive making up a new subrace if that's what they needed for the story they were telling, what I can forgive less is I'm pretty sure before they updated the rules to match the movie speak with dead was a bard and cleric spell not a wizard one, why give it to the wizard instead of the bard.

Just feed him gith, they're evil.

Thaqualm is an extraordinary redeemed villain: a mind flayer who has joined the cause of good. Living deep underground on the outskirts of a mind flayer city, Thaqualm was a victim of a small-scale slave rebellion: Her duergar thralls broke free of her mental control and forced her into three years of wretched servitude, her mental powers suppressed and her body at the verge of starvation. Finally, she was liberated by an adventuring party from the surface who killed her duergar masters but spared the pathetic illithid, showing her kindness unlike anything she had ever experienced before. Eventually, she joined the adventurers and traveled with them for two years. She joined a monastic order, and has now retired to a life of contemplation. She has sworn a vow of nonviolence and works hard to redeem any evil humanoids she may encounter, hoping to set them on the same course that has proven so rewarding for her.

-Book of Exalted Deeds.

The Emperor is textbook Neutral Evil though. He's just not retarded.

The alignment graph only applies to entities with souls. Illithids don't have souls just like how aboleths don't have souls (Elder brains are just evolved aboleths from the future that time traveled back creating a fucked up time paradox and illithids are their proxy-like automatons in their gestalt psychic network)
Mindflayers cannot be good or evil, they're literally aliens from a different reality.

Because Drizzt is based, and Omeluum is a fucking nerd.

Omeluum seems good enough

t.

Only dullards and pseuds think in shades of grey, that's how they press their advantage when they can't win through force.

Why can't larian make a game about mindflayers with actually evil mindflayers?

Comparing Drow and Mindflayers

Shouldn't comparing Vampires and Mindflayers be more accurate as they are bound by hunger more than any sort of sapient thought.

The Emperor also seems good

You really are a retard

I didn't finish the game but there was a good mindflayer in the caves. Are you talking about him? Does he turn out to be bad?

I'm sure you support the genocide going on right now because neither side is morally grey.

das racis

Stop with the antisemitism.

The problem isn't pure evil races are bad but too many of DnD enemies are generically pure evil out of half assed reason to give DM's something they can give their parties to fight without real thought. And it's just kinda lame cause 90% of it is basically just

Believe or controlled by evil God

Have slaves

Kill people

And that's it. You have the Drow, Orcs, Goblinoids, Gnolls and so on. A lot of them should have better development.

But some isn't all. Mindflayers being these alien creatures that fundamentally have foreign predetor esc. brains and mindset works. And then you have Beholder's which is probably their perfect pure evil race/monster of deranged autists that hate everything. The problem isn't "pure evil bad" but "bad writing bad, variety good".

Gnomes have a chance to keep their mind intact after turning squid. No idea why but there you go

its liberal writing at is worse to make something pure evil le actually good

Let's say you made a sentient automaton that's got free will to do whatever it chooses, and it decides to be a nice fella and even saves a few kittens from tall trees, helps some grandmas cross the road, etc.
Saying "u hav no soul" and killing it would be retarded, no?

Granted it's a bit different since mind flayers literally need to kill to survive on top of getting brain boners from dominating things, but not having a soul≠inherently evil. That's not to say that most mind flayers AREN'T evil mind you, most of them absolutely are. But the evil ones typically feel no desire to leave the hive mind in the first place, so you get a disproportionate number of "good guy" illithids that are free simply because the evil ones usually don't see any reason to try to break out of a hive mind that suits their desires perfectly already anyways.

Omeluum gives you a ring that lets you resist the Elder Brain

nothing happens to Omeluum if you accept it

this never comes up again from either angle, the ring has no effect on the story

I love BG3 but there's so much shit like this. Blatantly vestigial elements from previous drafts of the story that the devs didn't give enough of a shit about to fix.

I understand Mindflyer but why cant drow be good?

Magic bullshit.
They are made as the elf equivilent to Halflings/Hobbits.

No one's beneath redemption.
Jesus saves, remember that anon. I'll pray that you deliver the devil from your heart and mind.

Drow women would lose all of their flavor if they stopped being evil bitches being gaslit by Lolth.

why can there be (supposed to be rare) good varation of an evil playable race vs an evil monster race that are intended to be BBEGs for players to fight

gee I wonder why. fucksake next we are gonna get "Good" beholders and liches.

The answer to this question in every evil race in DnD is

Their God/Creator is a cunt

fucksake next we are gonna get "Good" beholders and liches.

nobody tell him about baelnorns

Jesus is a cuck

because mindflayers literally consume your soul. there is no afterlife for those consumed. it's just over, permanently. that's pretty fucked

The Emperor isn't evil, he's just a bit of a cunt.
He's pretty much the definition of True Neutral, with his obsession being

Stay alive

Be free

In that order.

Really the shittiest part of the ending to me is that you can't just force Emp and Orpheus to get along for long enough to kill the brain, Orpheus knows a mind flayers is needed to counter the brain's plotting so why force someone to sacrifice themselves when there's a live one right there that also wants to kill the brain? At least make it a DC 50 Persuasion check or something instead of Emperor just going "welp I'm gonna commit suicide by making myself your enemy" when it fully knows that your party can just carve a path through an entire army to get to the brain at that point.

Their God/Creator is a cunt

Hmm.... making me thunk

stop controlling me >:(

empreh has a bitch fit and tells me he crippled stelmane and he's the god king of the universe

call him out for killing his dragon butt budy

emprah has a bitch fit about being the bestest to ever best and that all who oppose him should be offed

say you'll help orpheus because this shit can't go on

he has a bitch fit and teams up with the brain just to prove you he was right, he literally sacrifices his free will just to shit on you thinking he's right over everything

sure, he's neutral, but he's nowhere near good, lawful or even chaotic. bitch's neutral evil through and through, it's almost like they hired amon jerro and shoved him in a squid suit and told him to be more faggy.

good evil races are retarded period
so tired of this obsession with deconstroooooocting. trope subversion is so done to death that it's become the new trope.

drow where tieflings before tielfings. same kind of people play them as the "oh i'm gonna pick this race that's scary and people think are evil in universe but break the stigma by playing as a good guy!!". except while tieflings are usually "we look evil but can be any alignment really" the stigma agaisnt drow is completely warrented beacause 95% of them are completely irredeemablely evil.

I like them as exceptions

That's a retcon.

how does Thaqualm sustain herself on brains if shes a non-violent pacifist?

They're like jews. Hope this helps

the ring would probably be moderately useful if you didn't have an astral macguffin nannying you already
it's like someone handing you a fire extinguisher when you're already wearing a full fireman rescue kit

They're just handled unproperly a lot of times.
I don't mind the idea of a evil race living no differently from a good race just with their own ideals and morals.
Hell, even Frieza can be seen as a good bad guy because he gives maternity leave for his workers.

It's a Sune monastery. They dedicate themselves ot the second head of the human male.

if the robot subsisted on human brains and could be easily influenced by a evil hindmind into acting as an extension of it's will I don't think it would be too hard to advocate for it's removal from society

Drow are just blue elves right? Mindflayers are extradimensional entities that feed off the mindpower gained through driving mortals to insanity through psychic attacks

I just thought Omeluum was a giant kike like his lodgemates

Drow are just blue elves right?

They prayed then got tied to an evil spider God.

noooooo black people arent evil, look at these innocent orcs in lord of the rings!!!

Good/Evil doesn't matter.
We're their food supply, so they have to go.
If they only ate cow or elf brains, maybe a compromise could be struck, alas.

they are the druchii of DnD

There's a cheap ring in 3.5 that lets you survive without having to eat.

doesn't he literally tell you about all the random innocents he's killed in a fit of autism. I get that the writers want him to be morally grey or whatever but they're not very good at their jobs

orcs=black people

Why didn't they learn their fucking lesson with bright? its so fucking stupid

they're purple

they have to eat sentient creatures' brains
it's hard to see that as good
and they are too intelligent to be neutral

i mean, maybe they eat the brains of suffering terminally ill people or something to live in society, but there's a whole range of issues with that too including that would be like you committing to a diet of shit

Wasn't Jizzt Do Turdon a good drow?

What pissed me off is they got the race wrong entierly. Tolkien Orc's (and by virtue, like 70% of all fantasy Orcs since) were based of Mongolians and you can see this in some of their aesthetics.

are evil routes fixed now?

Some races and cultures are simply not compatible

I always found it strange that people complain about orcs in a post Warcraft 3 world.

The Mindflayer will lie, deceit, and betray without remorse as it has no empathy for other cultures, but watch them crawl back when questioned and pointed out

when the whole "woke" thing as at its peak, people starting hunting for things to be offended by in legacy pop culture, and that was one of the more stretchy ones they came up with. it didn't really catch on like they intended though.

Drow are just under the influence of an evil god that traps them. They are just as much victims in their own system as much as they are perpetrators. If you escape the Spider Queen's influence, you're just a purple skin elf that people (reasonably) are suspicious about since so few drow are successful in escaping the Spider Queen's influence. If the Spdier Queen outright was destroyed, drow society could easily reinvent itself and thrive without her.

Mindflayer's entire existence is predatory and expansionist and exist in a psychic hive mind where free thought itself is a joke. They are completely alien in almost every capacity. They are literally not even natural by their own standards, they're like baby purple worms who realized they can puppeteer corpses and corrupt their nymph bodies instead of turning into their adult form: Giant mindless killer space worms that eat everything. They eat sapient beings for survival and keep their slaves in worse conditions than the drow, who at least don't EAT their slave and might have a house slave or two. No, a mindflayer's slave is literal cattle for them. They need a humaniod host that they effectively kill, they need to feast on humaniod's for survival. It's like trying to make a "good" lich. At least werewolves and vampires can, in theory, find ways to morally justify their existence or avoid eating innocents or even resort to just animals or those that attack them, mindflayers do not even consider the idea of humaniod reality a thing, they exist on a morality completely alien to any of us, and one that views us as either a threat to their existence, a new host, slave, or lunch.

Off topic, but what do you think of stormlight? Technically the best worldbuilding, you know, from a technical standpoint.

stormwhat? qrd?

Maybe? Later orc's yes, but Tolkien Orc's always felt like an industrial, cruel culture that focuses on efficiency and practicality and punishing everything that does not fit that mold. Infighting is not inefficient, it's simply serves to weed out the weak and train the strong. And after the infighting is over, the dead orc is now lunch. There's no real Mongolian shamanistic religion or appreciation of nature or love of the plains and sky among them where-as later orcs are definitely nature worshiping in some capacity. In DnD Orcs are tribal warriors who are very similar to Mongolians alongside stereotypes about tribal warrior societies. The hobgoblins alongside the goblins and bugbears are ironically closer to Tolkien Orc's, due to their entire culture of industrialized warfare, being corrupted by an evil warmongering god, and having different "tiers" of goblins (Goblins=Goblins, Hobgoblins=Orcs, Bugbear=Uruk-Hai).

i mean, maybe they eat the brains of suffering terminally ill people or something to live in society, but there's a whole range of issues with that too including that would be like you committing to a diet of shit

Literally one of the Karlach's route.

Intresting perception I didn't consider. Where would you say the "Orc's as Mongols" thing start then? Warcraft?

The hobgoblins alongside the goblins and bugbears are ironically closer to Tolkien Orc's

I could be dead wrong but I always figured DnD Goblinoids were based of Romans.

Omeluum is right there in the first act, lil bro

Stormlight by some brandson guy, he got 15m usd for his upcoming ttrpg. Plenty of rpg top stars working with him. I don't like his works, but I do consider him as #1 worldbuilders, at least among living worldbuilders.

Is he good?

They feed on the psychic energy in the brain as much as they do the actual flesh, so only intelligent species will do.

You haven't watched southpark, I see.

Why were there basically no tough moral decisions in this game?

Was that by design or incompetence?

I made this ages its got grammar mistakes but the concept carries through

Did (You) slurp up the Mind Flayer Parasites? Why or why not?

Only if I'm a rogue.

I enjoy each one when the writing fits.

Hey dude, put more worms in your brain

That sounds really fucking dumb.

I wanna fuck it

But it's bad and it has no soul and it eats brains and

My dick does not care

Asterion was the only one who actually wanted them so I fed all of them to him.

drow choose to torture people
flayers HAVE to eat brains

if he only ate jews he wouldnt be evil any longer because he is exerting a net positive on the world, and probably the universe

Still deny the astral touched tadpole, because of muh aesthetics.

All dialog in the game indicates yes, unlike Emps Omellum is actively looking for a substitute food source besides brains.

Does The Emperor even need to eat brains so long as he's in the astral plane? Or have the Gith attacking him literally been the only reason he hasn't starved to death yet by being free meal deliveries?

I think the Emperor is just a bad character and his schizophrenic dishonest attitude is a reflex of the band-aid writing mess the game sticks on him

abeloths are actually the good guys

That's not how you spell it.

Not really, if the drow don't torture people their spider goddess will torture them instead

Because Drow are not born of evil essence, they are elves through and through, same souls. It's a societal and nurture issue, they get turboraped by Lolth and their priesthood, and even in the Underdark the average Drow is more likely to be tortured and killed by Lolth and her goons than rise in power through treachery and murder. They are free to worship whoever they want if they leave, and they have Eilistraee as their good-aligned goddess.

Ilithids are aberrations, they are TECHNICALLY not fundamentally evil the way fiends and demons are, but being inherently tied to eating the brains of lesser races, along with being born with orders of magnitude higher intellect and thus viewing other races as cattle, and having Elder Brains in control, it's really, really, really difficult to not be an evil mind flayer. It's in their nature to enthrall and eat others, but *technically* they aren't inherently evil.

GIWTWM

They are free to worship whoever they want if they leave

why did viconia trade one shitty evil goddess that hates her followers for a slightly less evil goddess that also hates her followers? why is branwen viconia but better?

BG3 Viconia is not canon.

b-but

Fuck you

Not in my first playthrough, because I played the ea once. In the second playthrough I did, and it made the game was even easier. Curious about honor mode, but hate the rule changes.

Bg3 is fanfic, bc larian can't write a story for their life.

That shouldn't stop something from being able to not be evil. Being soulless doesn't mean you have to be la chaotic evil.

Basically evil in the same way people view hornets as evil. They produce nothing of value, they sting the fuck out of you if you have the misfortune to run into them, and they reproduce by either abducting other insects and sealing them in pods for their larva to eat, or they inject their eggs directly inside of other bugs. Wasps are basically nature's illithids by every measure besides intelligence.

BG3 ruined tabletop DnD.
Try to find anyone who isn't some half-assed Astarion but Drow; or Shadowheart wannabe. All these people go with unconventional characters and it's boring. Someone playing a human male is more interesting than these "special snowflakes"

What's funny is that we do meet one and he is chill, even if he is an abomination that should be culled.

You're a mindflayer

For whatever reason find yourself away from the Elder Brain and with free will

Remember your mortal life but only as a distant memory, like it happened to someone else

What do you do in this situation?

I wasn't talking about bg3 viconia, I mean in BG1 she's a shar worshipper because she did break off from drow society. I'm asking why she would worship a shitty god like shar and not a neutral one that actually gives shit about their worshippers. I think the real answer is that back in ADnD unless your name was Drizzt as a drow your automatically some varient of evil, and its easier to reason a drow worshipping shar to join an adventuring party than a lolth one who's goddess would demand they slaughter said adventuring party

Remember your mortal life but only as a distant memory, like it happened to someone else

That's pretty much an identity death so hell if I know because whatever that mindflayer is, it's not me

Eat brains and then get killed by an angry mob probably

whatever that mindflayer is, it's not me

You mean whatever that mortal was, it wasn't you.
You ARE the mindflayer in my scenario.

They do. Baldur's Gate 3 changed it like half of the forgotten realms lore for literally no fucking reason.

call myself the squidless one and wander around planescape or something idk

They don't, play the game

Ring of Sustenance

They do, play Planescape Torment.

The reason they are evil is the mega brain that forces them to be turbo racist evil, but even without the brain they tend to be haughty because of their mental power.

Illithids aren't chaotic evil they're lawful evil, they're highly intelligent and live in an organized society all across the Underdark. That's what makes them such a threat. They would take over the world if they weren't so ultimately selfish.

Become a high-rent whore for rich freaks

OP has a pic from BG3 not PT. The conversation is about BG3.
They don't have souls.

play the game

i'm not into bestiality.

just feed it criminals and bandits. where's the problem?

okay, so feed them crows, dolphins and elephants then.

True.
Considering how many people the typical DND adventurer kills, it doesn't seem like that huge of an issue.

They don't, but not from what
posted
It's actually the 3rd Edition Player's Guide to Faerun that has Mind Flayer Petitioners in it, which couldn't exist if they have no souls

Try to find anyone who isn't some half-assed Astarion but Drow; or Shadowheart wannabe.

Nigga this was ALWAYS a thing in Tabletop, do you forget how many copycat Drizzt Do'Urdens there are even still? This has always been a thing.

where are you going to get a steady supply of criminals from if it required daily sustenance?

Care to elaborate? Just being in the Outer Planes isn't proof of having a soul. BG3 even starts with them cruising through Avernus.

The special snowflake good Drow trend is a bit annoying, but I hope it pushes WOTC to get off Drizzt's cock

Tolkien wrote in his letters that orcs looked like the least lovely of the Mongoloid types. Given their looks, brutal culture, and focus on soul-crushing industry they're clearly meant to be Russians.

Just walk around and farm random encounters bro

Don't worry, WOTC is getting rid of Drow being evil in the first place so the people who want to be the special nice drow will get bored and move on.

And Congradulations, BG3 is extremely inaccurate to the lore of the setting it takes place in. And the Previous games, to that matter.
Mind flayers have souls.

Good idea, forgot I'm not finished, yet.

There's Mind Flayer Petitioners.
Petitioners which are spirits of beings that have died and gone to specific planes, and are geberally considered the lowest form of local outsider.
If they had no soul, they couldn't form a Petitioner to begin with.

Game was a failure because there was no Githzerai option.

5e ruined tabletop being video game-y slop for tourists who wanted to min/max everything, and just how the design of it pushed for constant combat. Haven’t met any competent DMs who started in 5e

Even bg3 is unclear about it. Bhaal should know this, too.

based. would have been fun to btfo the yankitards

No, Emma, you ARE the demons!

Very based opinion.

They're elves adapted to live underground and are ruled unironic whores who only reproduce because the babies inside them kill each other.

Their problems are entirely cultural, it's run away feminism backed by a spider feminist goddess.

Yeah, maybe then i would have a reason to play monk

Blatantly vestigial elements from previous drafts of the story that the devs didn't give enough of a shit about to fix.

Nah they're just hacks.

Laezel despises mindflayers for obvious reasons

Suddenly ok with her lover being a mindflayer

Devs just prioritize fanservice even if it comes at the expense of atmosphere, plot or even characters.

When that happens don't they usually just become Alhoons to escape Elder Brain influence?

Yeah, if literally anyone but Literal Divines said "Mind Flayers have no Souls", then we could chop it up to simple ignorance and it's not lore breaking.
But fucking Jergal said it. The guy who used to be in charge of souls and the afterlife. It's damn near as retarded as Fizban (Literal Dragon God) saying in his book that There's no such thing as Steel Dragons, despite them having appeared in the literal same edition of the game.

wish they would gang rape me

Just mod them. It's strange though that the monks are Yankee.

Only powerful mages can become that, most would just stay away from their colony. Or rejoin willingly even.

That’s like asking why there’s good Albanians but no good Boeing 747’s

For whatever reason find yourself away from the Elder Brain and with free will

Fortunately, I never had to break free from my Elder Brain, since we Mind Flayers aren't enslaved to it at all canonically.

Remember your mortal life but only as a distant memory, like it happened to someone else

That's not an issue, that's standard for a Mind Flayer, since we're fundamentally different beings than the people we grew out of.

What does any of this have to do with the price of tea in China anon? We are talking about BG3

I avoided it for the first two acts but then I learned it doesn't matter at all so I just slurped them all up.

And BG3 is incorrect.
Next thing you'll be doing is defending ESO lore to me, or saying that the Dragonball Live action movie was the best Dragonball media.

Drow live in an evil culture but are essentially just different race of elf's any drow that shows any humane behavior is usually killed in the drown culture.
Mind-fliers are basically aliens that need to consume brains of sentiment creatures to survive that also just happen too be capable of comunication. Its the equivalent of asking why are there no good xenomorphs.

If something doesn't have a soul wouldn't that make it neutral? Maybe I'm looking at it wrong, but it seems to be that true evil would come from knowing good/evil and choosing evil. If you're just completely amoral then you're more like an animal just doing what it does.

BG3 in a BG3 thread is the main source you are allowed to site because the conversation is about BG3.
If we were talking about Planescape I'd talk and reference Planescape, not BG3.
If you talk about ESO lore in an ESO lore thread then whatever the conversation is about should use that as the primary source.
I don't give a fuck about ESO lore please don't go off on whatever rant you want to about it's inconsitencies.

You don't age or change in the Astral Plain so I'm assuming you don't need to eat either.

This is a D&D Lore thread, anon.
Do you see Baldur's Gate 3 referenced by name in the OP? Or just a question about D&D lore?

Having a soul is akin to having free will, creatures with souls can all practice a degree of self control and not being driven by pure instinct.
These things cannot do that, it's why even the one that supposedly is trying to help you in the end turns on you if you don't let him do whatever the fuck.

hey now, xenomorphs are literally bioweapons, they're like asking why mr. x from resident evil isn't sipping tea with claire.
mind flayers are sentient but aren't bioweapons. sure, there's a brainslug piloting a flesh mech in there, but that brainslug is sentient and forms their own thoughts and judgements over everyone else (which is mostly evil ALBEIT) AND they're mostly under the massive gaslighting and mind control of the biggest brainslug of the bunch, the elder brain, so non-evil mind flayers are incredibly rare because whenever the mind flayer has time to breathe on their own they usually do their own revenge plot or try to set up their own evil town to do evil THEIR way instead. They're also tiers of intelligence above most other humanoids so they have massive racism auras.

while you "can" have a non-evil mind flayer through some hiccup of fate the only way you can get a good xenomorph is through directly tampering the xenomorph making proccess since they're basically flesh robots.

not enough people wanna fuck kalamari

My guess is Gith not mainstream enough as it is and I’m sure some schmuck figured well then any opposing Gith interaction would end with violence, but then shit like Dark Urge exists where there’s such wanton killing anyhow it’s like would the pathing being that screwed up? If I can auto delete Gale out of the game in a hilarious fashion would it be the end of world if I had to fight Laezel on the Nautiloid off the jump? I know I’m being autistic I just was like Larian added all this shit in, a made up more benevolent drow option, and the only Githzerai mentions are that one head/brain jar? in mindflayer colony and some book logs mentions. Big ass game that went above and beyond and that wasn’t an option, just feels off.

Planescape has intriguing world but the gameplay is just shit

literally don't care one way or the other, you trend chasing insect.

Actual D&D player here.
Who cares?
My GM allowed Crius to be a beefy (yuan-ti) gladiator with a really big sword and I maxed out on dick sizes and rolled for 2.
He fucks women.

He did not act evil in my playthrough, i don't understand where people get this from

I wrote his recent backstory on psychedelics and it ended up being pretty decent for the setting. Was 7 pages in one sitting.

look all orcs, Githyanki, vampires, Mindflayers can be good people. Don't be a bigot

EXCEPT Sarevok who already reformed in BG2, he has to be a dumb evil dude because he's white and straight

How can Mindflyers be good when they eat brains to live and they follow their elder brain hivemind?
Mindflyer "may" be able to be good only without their Elden Brain guiding them but even then its extremely rare

The Emperor spends the entire game shoving propaganda down your throat so that you transform to a mindflyer.

Omnelmum is faking it till he makes it

I mean Sarevok looks like a NBA player, definitely not a white dude

Yeah it's bullshit.
You give him your githussy and he still betrays you.
Shit writing. Made me so mad.

Or Muslims aren't evil, look at those poor Demons in Devil May Cry. Its the humans who are evil!!

Jergal wakes up after god knows how long

Blurts some half drunk words about mind flayers having no apostolic souls while the entire game he's spouting geriatric nonsense and yelling at you for not having sex

this is supposed to be the absolute truth now, and no mind flayer ever had a soul ever

Just because their souls go straight to Ilsensine or some other far realms fucko it doesn't mean they don't have souls. Plus Wish can still restore mind flayers to normal WHICH ALSO LITERALLY HAPPENS IN THIS GAME so the whole soul discussion is moot. treat this as yet another whatshisname's ignorable twitter retcons, same as "you can't charge as a centaur, you can only charge while on a horse even if you're a centaurrrr", the racist anti-mixed races guy, you know him.

Nah the writing is great but the gameplay is even a lot better

Here's my spider bard Terek.
I went with a lot of Pathologic influences for the tribal behavior. He's a performer for trading.

still causing booty bothering 40 years later

He was as white as Minsc in BG2

4 arms

5e

unlucky.

You better have a well written excuse, of the sexual way, as to why the ancient races would cook up a yuan-ti like yours instead of the usual leprosy looking faggot with snake eyes and it better have involved a lot of snakes raping women and/or men

Why would Orpheus team up with the person that subdues him for years, kills his personal guard and preaches mindflyer lives matter?

We use thri-kreen ruleset for arms, and replaced the magic resistances.
We're not doing a pre written campaign, but my GM wouldn't wanna do Naga TF stuff (my fetish).

Because it's the only way to defeat a greater evil?
It's literally explained in the post you dimwit.

No he wasn't
He was a light skinned black dude

Except its not the only way you dimwit
Have you even played the game you absolute fucktard?

what race is this

Nobody calls this white.
Its a lightskinned african or mixed race

What's the alternative faggot?

That's the archetypical idea of a Moor.

Technically D&D alignment is based more on social perspectives than moral decisions. Chaos prefers individual expression, Law prefers collective order, Good prefers compassion for others, and Evil prefers subjugation. Most creatures that lack intelligence or wisdom are considered Neutral because they lack any social perspective besides basic instinct. Mindflayers are very intelligent, and they are really into their tyrannical hivemind society.

Any of the party members teams up with him, the problem isn't that whoever teams with him becomes a mindflyer but its who. The emperor is a sword enemy to Orpheus

Any of the party members teams up with him

E.g. becomes a fucking mindflayer.
Why would you sacrifice yourself when there's a literal mindflayer right next to you.
Fuck you're retarded.

When I originally used Crius, I had his armor become more slutty the further in the TF. The GM was a furry so it allowed me to be a bit of a degen.

I liked this movie. Wish we had proper Shadowrun adaptations.

You can get Karlatch to become a Mindflayer because her heart is going to explode anyways.

Drow look like humans, mindflayers do not.
The human mind is fucking retarded

Can mindflayers be considered "evil" just because they eat people? They are vastly more intelligent than other races, eating humans for them is not unlike eating a cow for us.

Yeah that's real cool dumbass, doesn't change that someone is doing a sacrifice. Which is unnecessary when there's a fucking mindflayer right there.

Cows aren't sentient.

You mean sapient.

same thing

becomes a fucking mindflayer.

Not the same, one transform into one out of necessity as seen in real time, the other have been one for hundred of years.
Also one just freed him, the other subdues him for years
Also one killed his personal guard
Also he preaches mindflyer lives matter all the time and just fyi Orpheus is aware during the time he was subdued

Why would you sacrifice yourself when there's a literal mindflayer right next to you.

Thats not the point we are talking about, way to move the goalpost

Karlach seems pretty ok to be a Mindflayer.
Probably because she's no longer in any danger of literally burning until she explodes.

I was so checked out by the time I got to the end, was there ever a good reason why Sarevok was even present in 3? I swore he was basically force ghost by 2 or something?

No, anon. All sapient beings are sentient, but not all sentient beings are sapient.

Retarded take simply because they were called "tawny".
They're germans. They're a ww1 veterans view on germans.

same thing as in you know what I meant. stop being pedantic

Drow women feel good when their babies murder eachother in the womb, that's not just "another culture" you retard.
They're clearly genetically evil.

Thats not the point we are talking about, way to move the goalpost

Oh yeah it's totally moving the goalpost to question the rationale of some retard that can't see the greater picture.
That's literally the point of the conversation you fucking massive retard.

Whatever. You're clearly retarded.
Explains why you can't see that Orpheus is poorly written to railroad you into a stupid choice.

Being intelligent doesn't mean they aren't creatures of instinct.

Thats what you got now? insults and cope?
It seems i overestimated your intelligence.
Bye

Anons, show me your D&D Ocs, and what versions.

There is A, singular, good drow. Drizz't. That's it.
All those demons and orcs and shit in Waterdeep? Bullshit. Robillard wouldn't stand for that shit in his city. They'd all be purged in an instant.

What I'm saying is, Larian has never read any forgotten realms material. Has no idea who R.A. Salvatore is. And probably hasn't even watched a synopsis of the first two BG games.

yOu'Re le MoVinG thE GOalboAST

Not my fault you're retarded and desperate to use a new phrase you learned.

How can the dead three not know this?

Always thought he's aasimar

Ami the only one that plays a naked female elf with an custom made op bow and solo honour?

Dwayne Rock race

He was physical with real body and Chaotic Good by the end of BG2+expansion. Apparently D&D book novel made him evil Bhaal worshipper again and Larian took it from there

I should write that after BG3 it's be exacerbated. At least the wannabe Drizzt read the books.

do you really need a custom OP bow when titanstring bow is literally right there and there are busted as fuck arrows to use everywhere?

nake elf female

please be elistraeean drow

i mean look you have a bit of a point but at the same time youre ignoring the fact that:
A. emperor imprisoned orpheus for a long ass fucking time
B. orpheus is probably absolutely livid and not a coldly logical creature
C. orpheus would probably try to kill emperor the instant the illithid outlived its necessity

elistraeean drow

The skin colour is just too tempting.
I hate inventory clutter, so I start with gear and breeze through the game like a drow would - full of adventurous vigor.

good lich

archlich says hello

I was disappointed af when I couldn't find it in the game. I didn't spoiler myself and even looked it up on several sites, while creating a character. Now I have a modded Githzerai, but that's just not the same. Drow and gith having almost the same reactions is such a big let down and destroys replayability for me.

Why are people always shillin' the titanstring bow? It's not that good.

it is

Explain then.

trying again

lol
lmao even
Orpheus KNOWS an illithid is required. Why can't you wrap your head around this?

You need to be an illithid to come up with a plan to beat the brain.

becomes illithid

OK, what now?

emperor explains telepathically

Just bonk brain with stick

Easy way to get +5 to a whole lot of damage sources you can shit out

it's not that good

It is

Free +5 damage with elixir of strength bullshit

Shoot a special arrow

Arrow does an extra +5 elemental damage from titanstring, free +10 per attack

Sneak attack used to drip on the +5 damage for an extra xd6+5

Extra attack drinks on +5 like a motherfucker

+5 per target on a many target arrow

thing extra dips on damage like crazy. you're basically getting a +1 to hit +11 to damage magical bow at level 4.

Larian Studios thinks you transform into a mindflayer rather than die and a parasite takes over your body.

Orpheus makes it clear he has no intention to working with the emperor, he would rather die than serve the one who enslaved him, he also cannot trust the emperor to keep his word and not betray the mission, from his perspective the emperor is a no go zone.
Orpheous could care less if someone else from your party has to become an illithid its probably the canon choice on this side of the quest, you or a party member becoming one. passing check makes him do it.
if your plan is to not sacrifice your party or yourself then just side with the emperor at this point.
not every fued in the game should have a magical check that renders it irrelevant, emperor and oprheus being together is an oxymoron

Curious about honor mode, but hate the rule changes.

This convinced me to start my first run on Balanced instead of Tactician, as otherwise I'll never experience the latter in my life. Technically, Honor should be Tactician with juiced up Boss fights (Legendary Actions) and a single-save restriction.

You are too retarded for this conversation.

Honor Mode is the best way to play the game imo.
Great additions: such as legendary actions for bosses and more strict rules involving things like Haste abuse.
Much better experience in honor mode imo, but you need to master the game before you attempt to do it or you will get rolled over and get your ass handed to you quickly.

I like the way they attempt to bump up difficulty, unlike other rpgs that just bloat enemies health and make them hit hard while making you hit weaker, Larian understands how to design difficulty by adding unique actions, more restrictions and better enemy ai
I just wish they made some more restrictions on resting and it would be perfect.

trader price modifier

this shit only wastes your time. you can steal vendors regardless and any loot you get should be able to pay for your shit, the only difference is if you're going to need to loot every single shit box wasting your time or you just sell and go.

Because Mindflayers are a) soulless and b) MUST consume the brains of intelligent beings. There is no way around this.

You can't do some op combos in hm, damage riders work differently iirc.

Indeed, them fucking up damage riders bugs me. I'd like tactician with legendary actions.
The bosses are absurdly strong, like diamond scales, wtf.

Larian games don't respect time.

I'd like tactician with legendary actions

you can. just make custom rules from the main menu

Was this patched in?

There shouldn’t be good drow. Thank that die faggot who wrote drizzt.

Another child tries to understand nuance and fails.

act 1 dialogue uses male pronouns

act 3 sometimes uses male, sometimes "they/them"

What did Lar "we rewrite everything 10 times over" ian meme by this?

There have always been defector mindflayers, so it's really not too far. After all, Elder Brains do not actually have automatic dominion over the illithids like Lolth has to the Underdark Drow or Gruumsh has to Orcs. They only have a rigid cultural domination constructed by theological doctrine and backed by violently culling dissenters.
Good illithids are just fundamentally rare. And they are rare even in BG3. Omeluum and the Emperor are two out of millions. To defect from a naturally egoistic society requires a great impulse, for the Emperor it was the fact that his originating ego was so strong it overwhelmed his tadpole, and for Omeluum his great curiosity allows him to ponder and investigate the merits in compliance and coexistence.

They prayed then got tied to an evil spider God.

Lolth causes more suffering to her own Drow than she does to others roflmao, that's why her son hates her

Mega Man X and Mega Man Zero explore this concept somewhat. The storytelling in those games is very flawed but the big ideas are pretty cool

to be fair you need a very high IQ to understand larian writing

Archliches and liches are basically not even the same idea, just vaguely similar principles in that they are both undead whose soul is external.
Liches violently rip out their souls through the Ceremony of Endless Night. Archliches carefully surgically excise their soul via arcane methods known only to a mage of unfathomable skill.
The result looks similar, the methods are so fundamentally different. You cannot perform the Ceremony of Endless Night as a Good individual. If you are possessed of unimaginable, world-shaking will, you can do it and remain Neutral at best. But not Good, never Good.
The only way for a Good lich to exist vis-a-vis the Ceremony is for an evil individual to do it, then bequeath the resulting lich potion to another individual. Anyone truly Good should refuse it out of hand as an ontologically evil gift, but nothing stops you from forcing it down their throat, anyway.

Honestly one of the worst aspects that the game doesn't acknowledge you not taking a single one. I don't care about some special reward, just some recognition.
I guess they really wanted people to engage with the system, but from an immersion point of view, why the fuck would I want to use them on any character that's not evil or chaotic dumb.

It's more likely they planned for some kind of negative outcome or progression but they ran out of development time and axed it.
And it wasn't reinstated in a patch later on because that would be rug-pulling for the players who already got into it.

otherwise I'll never experience the latter

Fuck, I meant the former. Evil Durge solo or with Minthara on Tactician as second run sounds sweet. Then maybe an Honor with Hirelings.

Not him but it's indeed possible. See pic rel.

Keep in mind this is a role-playing game. Stealing might be convenient from a practical POV but it could hurt the immersion of others. Price modifier is a decent solution as not everybody will search every nook and cranny just because of it.

Plus Wish can still restore mind flayers to normal WHICH ALSO LITERALLY HAPPENS IN THIS GAME

Is this from one of the newer endings? I thought god-Gale refused to fix you/Karlach.

Maybe there could have been a way to implement it where it doesn't trigger on already running games, but only if you start a new one, but it's not going to happen at this point anyways. I usually don't like playing evil characters and I just hate the idea of willingly infesting my party with more parasites, so I'm not sure if I'll ever use them. Development of the emperor and the parasites were probably my least favorite aspects of the story.
Maybe some modder comes up with an alternative use for them eventually.

I went all in on my first run because I loved the idea of wielding spooky mind powers. Out of curiosity, I decided not to use a single one on my second run just to see what changes. Seeing that there is ZERO consequences one way or the other was very disappointing.
Once I get around to doing a third run with all the new classes, I'm going to avoid them again just to piss off The Emperor.
Eveything I decide to do now is in direct opposition to that self-righteous squid cunt. Just don't like him. Simple as.

That's honour rule set. This changes game nechanucs. I just want tactician + legendary actions.
They were part of early ea. Larian skipped it to appeal to the main stream.

Nah, the industrious aspect specifically came from Germans as a depiction of the horrific the mechanization of warfare in WW2 and giant kraut war machines.

play pathfinder wotr

rejecting your mythic powers is insanely kino

play bg3 right after

oh this game also lets you reject the special gimmick I bet it's going to be cool here too

it does literally nothing

His writing has gotten notably worse after his editor retired, but I'll happily take his setting and run the TTRPG while ignoring his gradual degradation as an author.

The Tadpoles aren't "your" special gimmick tho. Play Durge if you want a proper rejection of god given powers.
Also, Legend a cuck.

Was of course much better handled in the EA, where every use of your powers empowered the parasite and it was an actual potential threat in the future depending on how deep you went down the rabbit hole.
But they went with the normie friendly route instead.
Still won't take a single fucking tadpole either tho, fuck illithids.

The good mindflayer in the underdark is who OP is referring to

Honor mode is just an inconvenience the game barely changes. Legendary actions are just another retard filter and they barely work at their job (I had a brain fart and magic missile'd the spectator after going "huh I probably shouldn't magic missile that" and I still won easily). Like if a legendary goes "I'm going to get ya if you target me" or "I'm going to get ya if you target my minions" you just play around it it's not complicated. Anyone who honestly struggles with BG3 probably has some form of clinical brain damage

I tried reinstalling again to play the new classes. But it made me realize how little fucking combat there is in this game. Got bored after like 6 hours and uninstalled.

its like asking why can you tame a dog but cannot tame a xenomorph

mind flayers have the minds of insects, they only exist to follow a nether brain and turn into one eventually, they don't even have a real life cycle, they are literally parasites

Oh, you might be out of the luck then. It seems Legendary Actions are exclusive to Honor Ruleset now. Are the changed game mechanics that much of an issue? This is all what the description says:

Stricter action economy and damage bonuses as the game progresses.

Doesn't sound too bad. Besides, I'm pretty sure LA themselves were overhauled since the EA, so restoring the original state might be a PITA even for modders. I'd just roll with Honor rules if I were you.

I don't think so, since Tolkien also wrote about the existence of Variags as a faction that fought on the side of Sauron. You know, actual Russians.

But it made me realize how little fucking combat there is in this game

Did you try to initiate it every time it was possible? Act1 can be slow sometimes but there's plenty of Goblins (and Gnolls) to be fought. E.g. you can exterminate the entire Blighted Village or make the checks and peacefully loot the whole place.

fpbp. larian can't write, never could.

Why do mind flyers have big cities? Aren’t they just mindless monsters controlled by a hive? What do they do in the city?

literally posts a mindflayer that isn't evil

am I being memed