RT IS A SCAM

The quality difference is barely noticeable. The performance difference is FUCKING INSANE. Every single person that will ever suggest that RT is not a scam should be instantly put on shill list, this feature yields 0 QUALITY IMPROVEMENTS while taking half of the performance away. It only exists so that lazy devs can be lazier and rich GPU manufacturers could get richer

The fact of the matter is, this tech is new and only people who have the most cutting edge hardware should be running it, and that's even if they so desire to since even on the highest end cards available on the market right now games like CP with path tracing still fucking chug, so it's only for enthusiasts who want brief insight into how future games and tech will look like.
Companies should really not be advertising with it, they are because they're desperate since graphics tech is stagnant and has been for years.

It'll be at least another console gen or two before (*real*) RT and PT are mainstream. RT is a meme like Hairworks at this point.

cyberpunk is always a funny example of raytracing because its raster lighting already looks amazingly good

And here is a heavily lit area. You can actually see how enabling rt makes reflections WORSE and enabling PT does absolutely nothing except eating frames

The only game so far with good looking raytracing that also runs well is AC shadows.

All new technology is scam. Look at what Crysis 3 looked like running on a 1gb video card and absolutely any modern AAA crap slathered in special effects like an old whore that makes you want to puke.
First they just multiplied the screen resolution to justify buying new hardware, now they just shove almost raw code that literally breaks people's hardware.
This shit needs to change.

Can you show the inside of a car? Thank you kindly sirs.

I hate all the RT and Remasters
I cant see fucking anything at night

nu-hitman added rt a few years back

the reflections are so comically overdone that you just can't see through windows anymore

I'm assuming they fixed that but holy shit did it make me laugh when I tried it out. That game looks better without it still

It is NOT a scam.
Sure, the technology isn't perfect, but if we don't start implementing it now when we can, if there's no interest in it, then it won't be further developed.

Bud id suggs!

Yeah, lots of things suck when they're new and underdeveloped. The automobile for example really sucked compared to what we have now, but if retards like you keep convincing folks that such things are unnecessary or a scam, then we'd still be riding horses.

screenshots don't do RT justice

barely noticeable

Maybe on your shit rig it is.

Rt off is all settings set to maximum possible value with ray tracing disabled
RT on is all settings set to maximum possible value + all ray tracing options enabled and ray traced lighting set to psycho
PT on is all of the above + path tracing enabled, all screenshots are taken in 2k resolution

RT enables properly accurate dynamic lighting, so every time I hear someone go off about it without acknowledging that I simply assume they're retarded. It is absolutely the case that it does not offer a meaningful upgrade in many scenarios, and you may well not be willing to pay the fps toll for lighting accuracy when it does matter, but if you're not going to at least engage with the matter in a realistic way anon, you should consider taking your retarded conclusions elsewhere.

You don't hate RT as a tech, you hate that it costs performance.

No I actually hate the tech for three reasons:
1. It offers a barely noticeable difference. Difference, not improvement, because there are a lot of times when it looks worse than algorithmic lighting, but it is prasied as if it is literally a fucking jesus of lighting tech.
2. It gives developers an easy out because instead of properly working with the lighting they’ll just slap a reflection count on a surface and whatever the engine shits out they will call (((accurate))) and how it akchyualli should look, even if it looks like shit
3. It is a new “big thing” that you are expected to be hyped about and there are GPUs that cost thousands of dollars where THE ONLY upgrade is slightly better performance of RT and combined with previous point you will be forced into buying them pretty soon. We could’ve had actual picture quality increase where 4k would have stable 60+ fps in AAA with a midrange card and top tier cards could start doing the native 8k resolution with playable framerates, but instead for the next few gens your (((performance improvement))) will be limited to better RT performance(it will cut down 45% of your framerate instead of 50%)

Stick to playing shit on girlsgogames you can get no RT and 1000 fps in every title

Cope shill

It offers a barely noticea..

I stopped reading here, your post is just pasta from other threads.

RT IS A SCAM

STOP HAVING FUN

It's lighting. You don'tmpkay lighting, ypu pkay the game. Wtf is wrong with everyone? RT adds 0 to gameplay.

the difference is insane nigger, you just don't know where to look. you look at it as a whole but you ignore the details that rt gives you

they’ll just slap a reflection count on a surface

u know nothing retard, working on PBR materials is hard and a lot of games fuck it up insanely
for example cyberpunk and control, the difference in materials is really noticeable

It is a new “big thing”

it's almost 10yo dude, it's gonna stay. it's only 30% difference and with dlss 4 idgaf

Cherrypicking

RT isn't a scam or a meme, but it is mis-timed. Games need to be made for this awkward middle ground right now. No one can use it to it's potential because not enough people have the hardware for it.

It's not a scam.
It saves you disk space on games made by incompetent devs.

this tech is new

It's been 7 years since RTX anon...

the difference is insane

(Same can be achieved by tweaking gamma/contrast or enabling HDR with 0 performance loss)

working on PBR materials is hard

Figures since the majority of modern devs whave troubles wiping their asses, setting a single property on a material might as well be an unsolvable task

it's almost 10yo dude

Been shit 10 years ago, is shit now, will stay shit in 10 years. Buy new JewVidya/RadeJew gpu goyim.

with dlss

Upscaler detected, opinion rejected

Disagreed. Cyberpunk without RT is good in cherrypicked areas i.e. cutscenes or talking to characters

Global illumination makes all the difference and most RT games don't even have it

The game being pretty increases my enjoyment. I can fuck a fat chick and get my orgasm, but an attractive one makes it better.

food analogy

Doesn't change that that's the narrative Ubisoft is going with.

you posted a headline from some gaming news website

Which you can look up on google to see that it's a statement from some clown from Ubisoft that they delivered in a panel at GDC.

I don't understand your point. Ubisoft put in a raytracing option to save time? Wouldn't they have saved even more time by not even giving people the option to use it?

The fact that it doesn't look different (in cherry-picked screenshots) is because developers have gotten extremely good at raster lighting trickery, and they're still designing games under the assumption that 90% of people won't use ray tracing. It's not because ray tracing does nothing. Particularly in interior lighting, the difference can be night and day.

It didn't just save time, according to them it also saved disk space.
I don't think even the wealthiest of whales wouldn't raise an eyebrow at a game requiring 2 terabytes of disk space before factoring in dlc.

The quality difference is barely noticeable. The performance difference is FUCKING INSANE. Every single person that will ever suggest that RT is not a scam should be instantly put on shill list, this feature yields 0 QUALITY IMPROVEMENTS while taking half of the performance away. It only exists so that lazy devs can be lazier and rich GPU manufacturers could get richer

Ok but it took extra effort to put it in, so obviously saving time and money wasn't the point.

its not that it doesn’t do shit, we are just able to do 95 to 99% of what it can do at twice the performance, sometimes even better than that

Of course it wasn't. No one was even mentioning it saving time or money, just you.

Wait so what the fuck is your point?

Anon, read the post that even brought up the article. The anon that posted it didn't mention saving time.

RT is a huge difference

Temporal graphics is the end for visual clarity and sensibility.
Oh yeah I sure love seeing light fade in/out of existence, and ghosting of previous frames in the current one...

The quality difference is barely noticeable. The performance difference is fucking insane. Every single person that will ever suggest that RT is not a scam should be instantly put on shill list, this feature yields 0 QUALITY IMPROVEMENTS while taking half of the performance away. It only exists so that lazy devs can be lazier and rich GPU manufacturers could get richer

You can keep saying this shit all you want. It's just not true.

I'm trying to decipher what he's complaining about. Does he think that ubisoft put in the raytracing option because it would save them $50 on another hard drive? Or is he trying to say that the lighting could take up less space but ubisoft can't figure out how to do that?

it's literally the LE OPTIMISATION u niggers crave for

Path tracing. Supposed to be even more realistic, but shits on performance for minor gains.

Looks more like a shitpost than a complaint.

RT is not a scam

it saves you disk space on games made by shitty devs

Have they developed some new physics laws where the light from the hand grenade explosions need 10 seconds to fade out or am I missing something? That looks fucking retarded

WE NEED TEMPORAL GRAPHICS TO OPTIMIZE THE GAME SAR!

But we didn't need it a decade ago? Shit looked clear and games ran great?

S-SHUT UP! THERE ARE NO OLDER GAMES, TEMPORAL IS OPTIMIZE BLOODY BITCH!

I get that but he's obviously complaining about raytracing and disc space judging from the reply chain.

sorry anon we can only trace rays at this speed in highest level hardware

LE OPTIMIZATION

it's not really optimized if it's fucking WRONG, now is it?!

I'm guessing the complaint is that a competent dev would have figured out how to do pre-baked lighting without it taking "2 years and 2 TB" like the Ubisoft guy says.

nigga what? because it's full RT retard, that's why

half life alyx doesn't need RT or TAA though

Buy a 5070 ti if you want path traced cp

you get >60 fps with dlss transformer model, and you can frame gen on top

It sounds like he doesn't really understand what he's talking about because that's retarded.

Have you tried using more optimized and performant lighting solutions, rather than jeetcode RT?

enabling rt makes reflections WORSE

non rt reflections are screenspace doe...

It IS Ubisoft.

What is better:
1440p native with RT off
or
4k with max ray tracing, with DLSS and frame generation

Both will get you approximately the same FPS. It's extremely obvious that the latter will deliver a much improved visual experience.

Holy kek its insane how much alyx mogs the fucking RTX mod and it only needs 3070 to run at max fps on index(a bit over ultrawide 2k), they rtx mod needs a 5090 lmao

sorry we don't have quantum gpus
so what lmao it doesn't have path tracing
like what? those solutions won't make it better. also hl2 is made by inexperienced modders for free

then it won't be further developed

Good.

Raytraced CP? Holy shit... now we're playing with power.

like what?

Whatever Doom 3, Crysis, and Fear used? Because it looked fucking neat and ran fine.

so what lmao it doesn't have path tracing

it has 60 fps that's for sure

Anon, at the time Crysis most definitely did not "run fine". It was at the point that you had "can it run Crysis" as a meme.

grafix tech should've stopped in 2004 because i'm too poor for a new gpu

No way, try not being poor.

dlss

you just don't know where to look dude, and also can you fucking stop using old games as an argument like all the other things in games look the same as 20 years ago that run in 400 fps on ur 1k doler pc. your pc won't handle something like planar reflections EVERYWHERE
I just use dlss 4 on quality and I'm fine

dlss4

Crysis ran like shit for a number of reasons, but not the lighting.

Buyer's Remorse-fags invading the thread right on time

lmao.

seeing the rings in chainmail in my cherry picked screenshot is more important than actual realistic lighting

Retards on Anon Babble unironically believe that doom 3 and FEAR have the same graphical fidelity as maxed out cyberpunk.

realistic lighting

realistic lighting

Why are you aiming for realism in your entertainment reality-escape sessions?
You want stylization and intent, not realism.

cherry picked screenshot

not really, doom 3 has more readable lettering than cyberpunk lol

you're poor

What the fuck does that mean? Are you talking about upscaling fucking up the text?

You're right, their graphical fidelity is actually better because it's clear and runs native.

This is pathetic. My 500$ 1080 woudl max games for like years but 8 years later a 1000$ 5070Ti can't even max old games in 4k while using fake frames to boot?

so? use quality retard, idgaf about perf
yeah niggers here know nothing but they talk like they just exposed the njewdia

¨remember how a decade ago you needed million dollar supercomputers to do ray tracing for a movie where each frame took hours to render?

it's better because I can run it at 4k 120 fps with 8x msaa 20 years after release

cool so in 20 years cp2077 will look better than doom 3 because your hardware will be powerful enough to run it at 8k 120 fps

Fuck realism. You graphics normalniggers ruined games. No, I don't want to see all the peach fuzz on some ugly bitch's face. No, I don't want to be able to see into the pores on a nigger's nose. No, I don't care about "realistic" lighting. Fucking idiots.

??????????? what

Cyberpunk without RT is good basically everywhere. All RT does is make puddle reflections look better and because they opted to make the game predominantly sunny and dry you seldom even see such environments. If they'd made it set someplace dark and rainy then yeah the RT would probably offer more.

so rt gives you reflections LITERALLY EVERYWHERE and makes glowy stuff more glowy and people say that's a bad thing

Do you think that people in 2004 were running doom 3 at 4k 60 fps with max AA?

Am I stupid if perfrmance looks best and crispiest?

Learn to read.

20 yo game casually mogging your ray-tracing wit hpre baked lighting

Your point is retarded, you know that right? Crysis 1 was released on november 13, 2007. GTX 280, released june 16, 2008(msrp andjusted for inflation - 950$) could run crysis with maxed out settings at 1080p(high standardback then)/60fps with 4xAA. Here ITT we are speaking about a game released 4 and a half YEARS ago, a game that has been the benchmark for three fucking generations of GPUs and as of today, exactly 1 3k dollar GPU can run it at highest settings at 4k/30fps. And mind you, cyberpunk only has TAA, for fair comparison we’d need to run it in 8k to simulate 4x SSAA

msrp andjusted for inflation - 950$

You can't really reliably adjust for inflation with GPUs because of the unnatural inflation caused by the double whammy of covid lockdown and rise of crypto. Literally everything else like toilet paper and hand sanitizers went through increases that recovered as the years went on but GPUs didn't.

Such a great game. Sucks that the physx effects don't work on the new cards.

GTX 280, released june 16, 2008(msrp andjusted for inflation - 950$) could run crysis with maxed out settings at 1080p(high standardback then)/60fps with 4xAA

Yep, it's a zoomer. Did some youtuber tell you this or did you just pull it out of your ass?

I owned the said gtx 280 bro

PT looks insanely good in motion, you notice the light behaves almost as it should.
Raster is seriously limited at this point, around Last of Us 2 we were hitting limits with how far raster could go.

Wow, you must have had a special one that nobody else had.

Another poorfag thread by someone who can't afford a realistic judgment in this matter.

damn i guess tomshardware didn't get the special one either

saar please by the gpu

You guessed correctly, they did the shit job benchmarking it

u-uh i guess they messed up haha

lmao fucking liar zoomer faggot

Cope

doesn't have his spare 4090 to do PhysX

NGMI

None of the clutter in cyberpunk have shadows without pt