Did you do your dailies? Finished Kaishi 1.5K yet?

i'm still complete shit at japanese

No, I haven't properly studied in a couple weeks. I got burnt out after trying to learn grammar and all that stuff. I never really liked Anki, but maybe I was just needed to use a better deck.

like vn, anime and manga

start learning japanese

now hate vn, anime and manga

now hate learning japanese

what a bargain that was

This, it unironically is a language with a built-in casual foreigner filter. On a similar note, it even comes with a designated apartheid lane to "otherize" words (katakana)

A thing I disliked about Kaishi 1.5k is that it uses kanji in its example sentences that it has never shown you before which is kinda annoying.

"yeah I learned a decent amount of Japanese and can speak it somewhat bro"

"watashi"

"anata"

what was it that made you dislike it? i think you just got filtered

someone clear this up for me because maybe I'm a bit stupid but when you do anki vocab you're meant to write the character, right?

see front of card

guess meaning and sound

flip card over

write the character while repeating the sound and meaning

rate card

repeat

it takes me like an hour to go through 250 cards and I'm wondering if i'm just doing this wrong and should blow through everything without lifting a pen

I found what works better for me is immersion material and naturally over time start remembering the common phrases and shit. I am at least having a better time than constantly sweating over the kanji readings.

Good luck anons, I did this like over 10 years ago.

Why would I entertain your question if you're asking it like a faggot zoomer?

I also like writing things down. It helps me remember it a lot more even if it takes a bit more time.

why do anglophones always complain about kanji as if english writing isn't equally retarded

silent letters

soft C vs hard C

X sometimes pronounced as Z

No, you're just meant to guess the reading and meaning

250 cards per day is way too much
writing is highly optional and generally considered a waste of time

書くのは要らないだと思いますが、まあ、所々頑張って

Practice reading and speaking first. Kanji is hard for natives as well. Most of it is "written" using PC or phones. Do separate writing drills.

Nah, a lot of readings make it confusing if it was just kana.
Only reason why Koreans got away with it is because they reworked a lot of words to make sense with their alphabet.

When I did it, I did 100/day and it took me a year to learn it all. 250 is a lot bro.

yeah it is retarded
I feel like many languages need to be changed up and remove unnecessary bloat since languages are way more globalized nowadays

It's a "come across a loan word written in Katakana and trying to figure out if it is an english word or another borrowed word" episode

I feel like an idiot trying to sound out a word several times out loud just so I can hear if it is a butchered english word or not.

NTA but please answer the question, im curious.

That's 250 reviews not 250 new cards

1.5k

Pathetic.

go to Japanese institute for three years

passed the exams but still can't understand anything

At least I made two friends but Jesus Christ....

I spam the good button

you're not impressing anyone with a flash card program

English is a polyglot etymologist’s language. It’s a language for those who know other languages. Japanese doesn’t get to use that excuse.

I don't know when a card is fully learned. Am i supposed to learn all of these meanings.

The only thing they should do is add spacing. The kanji are fine. My only problem with them is that they destroy my eyes.

Use the kanji in context for each meaning

READ NIGGA READ

Over time, get a feel on which meaning is being used

Just be careful of what you read though because a lot of jap media fucking loves using double meanings or puns.

See an ad for an in person Japanese class.

It's an hour away from where I live and only on Thursdays while I'm at work.

Life sucks.

so... when are you going to start actually learning japanese?

Japanese? LOL.

I basically became a weeb during the pandemic because I had fuck else to do, felt guilty about it, started learning japanese because it was a way I could enjoy things and also feel productive, then because of that I took learning japanese way too seriously and all those things that I used to like are subconsciously intertwined with the stress of learning one of the world's hardest languages. I'm at the point where I don't even want to interact with things made in japan period because I know I should just be consuming them in japanese but that makes everything longer and harder, it's just this really bullshit middleground hurdle that I don't have the time anymore to make

tldr: just do things for fun and don't care if it's """productive""". I'm not trying to dissuade people from learning japanese

"just read bro"
How, everything uses a billion kanji

use a dictionary

I am meant to use a dictionary for every sentence?

anki is just a memory aid
you only get all the nuances of a word by seeing it in multiple contexts

Find new [kanji]

Write down new [kanji] and use a bilingual dictionary to keep meaning in mind

Over time get a feel for [kanji] and its' use

Replace [kanji] with [word] and you unlocked how to study for most languages. The real hurdle is grammar.

It's better to do that and learn within context than to have contextless words. Human brains are not meant to learn in isolation.

It's easier if you use a digital dictionary.
Furigana is helpful too.

I understand how you feel. The same kind of shit happened to me when I tried and failed to learn how to draw. Now whenever I watch anime I just think about all the effort and talent that went into it and I feel bad about myself.

I'm down to an average of 84% from a target of 86% for my gook cards and only get 10 or so new cards a day. It feels bad.

When should you stop doing anki?

Do you learn every meaning of every word in English? You don't have to get autistic with the cards.

Surely you'll get to the point where you no longer see any new words, or if you do it only happens very very rarely.

Should I learn the kunyomi and onyomi of each kanji at the same time or is adding random words better?

Spoken like someone who hasn't even started reading yet.

Kanji are cheat codes to reading japanese.
It's katakana that's the problem.

You're need to ditch pre-made decks ASAP and start a mining deck of your own.

Same. Their cinema from the late 40s to about the early 200s is great, but their TV/anime/comics are all atrociously bad.
It's impossible to find anything even half decent to immerse with when you've been doing it for a few years.

お前さんは絵を描くのが上手いのか?絵を見せてくださいよ

Only if you want to learn to write.

Can understand and read this sentence

If asked to read it out loud I won't be able to

Is this progress or have I fucked myself already?

what's hard about reading it out loud?

It’s a language for those who know other languages.

-Japanese uses chinese characters and even borrows compound vocab from them regularly.
-Japanese readings of kanji are based on chinese readings
-And then Japanese grammar is borderline identical to Korean.

It's to the point where I can recognize the kanji and what they mean within context with the kana, but I still forget the readings.

Same, but for Chinese because I thought it'd be easier than Japanese.

You're not meant to learn kanji on their own.
It's pointless. It'll take you 10 years, and then at the end you won't know which meaning or which reading to use when you see it in a compound and you won't know any vocab at all.

Kanji are not words. Learn words just like you would in any other language.

Yes. How do you think you learn words?

You're supposed to read shoujo/shounen. It all has furigana.

Don't give up fellow mandarin bro

ほええええ。どうしてそのことになったんだよ

That's not what he said though

just learn the words, bro
just go through a vocab deck and you'll naturally pick up on the onyomi and kunyomi along with the meaning
I've seen 発 so many times but never seen it by itself but vaguely know the meaning since I've seen it paired with so many other kanji that you just kinda know.
That's really what language is, just kinda knowing what is right or wrong.
Like how "the people is on that store" sounds wrong, it's mostly intuition, you just know.

Read a bunch of manga

Use a dictionary to grab meanings

Neglect the readings

Now in the position where I can "read" but "readings" of the kanji fuck me unless if it has furigana or something I come across a lot like 人間界

I think I fried my brain to be visually reliant instead of audio or remembering the reading.

I'm only doing it until I get through the N1 deck. I find mining to be a colossal waste of time in N3.

Chinese

easier than Japanese

Isn't Chinese like 5 thousand hours to learn compared to 1.5k for Japanese?

残念ながらお前はおしまいだよ

I've gone through multiple phases of burnout, each so harsh that I couldn't look at 汉字, and I don't even consume Chinese content or know how to parse sentences. The only reason I haven't given up is because of sunk cost.

...Why the hell is Hindi now default in my list of keyboards?

there's only so meaning readings, bro.
how do you think japs deal with this? the same way as us, they guess which reading is correct based on how it feels (if they can feel it out)

I only studied a little bit of Chinese, but It's easier when it comes to grammar and the fact that hanzi only have one reading.
Speaking is harder, that's about it.

Japanese has an exceptionally small number of syllables. It’s like around 100.

I've heard somewhere speaking is harder for Chinese because it is more a tone based language, is that true?

theres something very cute about the shitty japanese people speak in these threads

Look I'm at work browsing Anon Babble.
I don't have time to study.
Also you got the set I do bang on, thought it was one of the ones people didn't go for?

why does your post feel so robotic?
I thought chinese being tonal was common knowledge, at least these japanese threads.

それはどうゆ意味なんだよ。はっきり説明してよ、おい

Dunno, I've been told I am a dry person.
Also, I've only dipping my feet into language based stuff recently so this is new to me.

japs literally have to waste several years studying how to read all the way to college because they have too many kanji
when even college graduates don't know all the letters in their own language you know it's fucked up

the explanation is: your japanese is clumsy like a cute child pretending to write how they think grown-ups write

here's a cool tip, google is very easy to use and can answer a lot of questions without pestering live humans
you just type what you're typing into the Anon Babble textbox into google instead and BAM far more information you can ever get in a place like this.

I don't even consume Chinese content

Then watch some. Journey to the West (1986) and Three Kingdoms (2010) are popular kino shows.

俺の日本語が上手だけどベイト

それじゃ、お前の日本語は私より上手いて事か? ああ? 殴るぞ、君の態度は許さないから

要らない

と思いますが

所々

あんたこそ頑張ってね

Where can I read untranslated manga online?
Not the never translated, just all the manga is in English with no option to view japanese.

Mandarin is easy as shit.
Cantonese is slightly harder - but there is a tendancy for most western materials to be objectively dogshit.
Hakka is hard to find resources for, unless you know Mandarin or Cantonese.
Hokkien is honestly the hardest of the Chinese languages.
The other dialects idk, I gave up Sino pursuit after Hokkein.

counter argument:
good look differenciating the meanings of kous and seis in hiragana even in context

I don't hate it but I just can't keep myself awake to study it. When I watch anime, I get sleepy (because I watch it before bedtime). When I do anki, I get sleepy (because I do it riding passenger at work for long drives). Sure, I could try a different method that is more engaging, but none of them feel as satisfying as looking at your numbers on anki.

I do recognize a fair amount of words now however. I'm like 小学生 that doesn't know any grammar. It is satisfying. Just wish I could make any progress these days.

pay for it

with money

bilingualmanga.org has some good stuff. even comes with an ocr built into the site so you can use yomichan.

私

Sounds right.
Chinese is harder overall to get anywhere with, even though it gives you a few good footholds to latch onto with pronunciation and character meanings.
Japanese is like Chinese with simple grammar bolted on. With Chinese, you have to memorize a long set of patterns and reform vague sentences
since every sentence needs to have a subject.
e.g., "It's easy enough to see what that future would look like" -> "Seeing what that future would look like would be easy enough."
It gets bad when you can't tell what the subject is (read: any time a woman is angry enough to write a stanza without a period), and you'll lose it trying to tell names apart from literal objects, since they just name people shit like "Double blossom" and "Precious display".

With regards to tones, that's a hurdle that can really trip you up, and you only learn how to memorize tones by spending half a year trying to avoid them. My recommendation: Whenever you encounter a character you want to memorize, write out the sound with a tonal shorthand (e.g., "Guaan", "Xih", "Shy", etc.). It gives the sound an anchor in your brain.

The tones are pretty easy to get a feel for.
In Cantonese there are more tones, and in Hokkein there are even more tones.

はーはい、です。でも、何が問題なの? " 要らない " は自然な言葉だと思いますが。" と思いますが " もう自然だ. " 所々" は私の勘違いだから、すみませんでした

上手いて

上手いって

私

俺様

君

貴様

貴様!!テメ!!お前。。。何者か??

don't use quotation marks in japanese, use 「」

why would you do that instead of just using pinyin?

間抜けちゃんが頑張って欲しい!!

I would, but i can't find them on my nordic keyboard

That anon is a retard. Pinyin is fine, and if romanised script is really throwing you off - then just learn Zhuyin Fuhao

You still use pinyin. I'm just saying that writing them that way helps you internalize the phonetics and tones all at once.
If you just write the tone marker, it doesn't stick.

If you just write the tone marker, it doesn't stick

What the actual fuck are you on about. You might as well just learn the IPA and write that out if you're going to be a retard.

before anki i'd try and brute force written sentence and id need to write out the kanji in one program and then chuck them in a dictionary and it was really taxing mentally and slow. i'm not perfect still but 90% of the time I can guess a reading and skip the writing them out step and it helps me so much for actually reading through native material at a reasonable rate. at this rate I really am improving

are you using an IME? jewgle IME has a setting to change the symbol style, otherwise you may need to edit the keymapping

I have 808 new cards from Kaishi 1.5k in my queue as we speak and I'm 90% done with today's review. Of course, Anki is a force multiplier, so soon I'm going to buy some classic kids' books like Aesop's tables and Treasure Island in Japanese, and torture my brain until I can actually understand this shit

What the fuck are you on, anon? All I said was to write down a syllable once with a tonal spelling. Did you break?

I was going really good for several months.
But then I got seriously demotivated when I continuously got the same handful of cards wrong every week or so and never was capable of learning them. Combined with that I was doing 20 new per day it just piled up

You are being a retard by doing that though. That is all I am saying.
How the fuck are you having that hard of a time distinguishing 4 whole tones that you need to write it like a retard for it to click?

要らない

This is an example where you rarely see a "common" kanji used in this word. The vast majority of writers outside of essays will just use 「いらない」, especially when typing something you're "saying."

と思いますが

Quite stilted and doesn't match the tenor of the rest of what you're saying (beyond just not being a common way of linking phrases in speech, which you are trying to emulate). Try
「と思うけど、」
「と思っているけど、」
or, if you really must が,
「と思うんですが、」
It seems like you understand your miss with 「所々」so no further commentary is needed there.

見つかりました。「感謝」なのです~

This was the first solution adopted by the Post-Dynastic Chinese government, and it worked (and still works) splendidly for both Chinese and Westerners. I'm just using it for memorization, rather than communication.
It takes like, 5 seconds to do. Sperging out doesn't give you an argument.

Cope, you're still a retard for even needing to write it.

just do reviews until the number goes down before doing more new stuff its no shame. i had a deck where if i did all the new cards every single day I would get through it in 2 months. it took me over a year because of how much i skipped learning new stuff, but i only had like 5 days where I missed reviews. i still look at that deck and have like 100 leech cards and it simply is what it is, there is no shame. if it really bothers you, write them down and look at them at other times from you doing anki, and maybe include words that the kanji is used in. you've already gotten this far, might as well ease back into it. might take a few weeks to catch up, but no harm in trying

Memorization differs from simple replication. You can distinguish between yi1 and yi4 by sound, but if you're studying 50 characters at a time and you want that sound to stick, you'll need something more substantial than a tone marker.

っていうと、「要らない」はいらないww

I don't know what to tell you, but I have studied multiple Chinese dialects and never fallen into this problem.

No longer watch anime or read manga

No longer want to travel to (or live in) Japan

No longer want a Jap gf

Not interested in their literature or other aspects of their culture

I need a reason and I can't find one.

So you can understand your waifu chuuba.

It sounds like you just need to find something else to do besides learn Japanese. There's a whole world of other hobbies or interests to pursue. Find one that engages you.

There is no other reason that the small glimmer of hope that a cute Japanese girl will enter your life.

Try a Japanese bf

どうも。勉強になりました。です~

Based

so what's the actual path to learn japanese?
people recommend using anki decks but that's it, like what other sources should I be using and in what order?

ngmi

i finish my 1.5k at the end of the month. i'm reminded why i quit every time i start this because my comfy 30 minute a day sessions now take an hour and a half to review all the cards. if i wasn't so close to finishing, i'd stop.

once you realize that asian girls IRL are not attractive at all, and the ones that are all ugly south korean girls who get unironic plastic surgery to their entire face at age 18 as a high school graduation present from their parents, you stop caring about this stuff really fast

Seconding this.
What's a good place to learn grammar?

>No longer watch anime or read manga

>No longer want to travel to (or live in) Japan

>No longer want a Jap gf

There's your problem, start liking things again

surely you are good now.... right

you're doing something wrong. it should not take more than an hour to do your daily reps.

spend years consuming varied japanese content using a dictionary and also speaking with natives

language tends to follow this graph, there's only 2000 essential kanji, but the amount you actually need to understand most shit you encounter is much less.

that is because you are a failed normalfag

watch a jap content creator? maybe a gaming centric one considering where we are.

My motives for learning Japanese:

Want to play Vidya games without trannyslators butchering everything

Kinda interested in Japanese art/history/literature

Plan to start attending Zen Buddhist practice next month

Want to be able to write my journal in a language nobody else can read

Want to Internet post without discussion being dragged down by a horde of retarded browns. Too late for the English web, sadly

Want to use Giardano Bruno's mnemonic techniques to memorize enormous amounts of information. English is pretty bad for this, but Japanese is literally the ideal language for mnemonic alphabets

I think that pretty much covers it

theres only 2000 kanji essential to handwriting
but for reading its like 3000

ya tell me

i was doing 30 new cards a day for a while and it's all piling up on me, i'm at 20 new cards and 150 reviews a day right now near the very end. i started on march 22nd so i'll have gone through all 1.5k in 2 months.

I say this sincerely, so please pay attention:

Anki is a trap for new learners, and it will ruin you.

SRS is a fantastically helpful tool, and making Anki decks is a key component to really breaking through the barrier from novice to intermediate Japanese, but starting with ""Core 1k"" or these sorts of deck grinds for vocabulary outside of other context or work will destroy you. Start with grammar and simple vocab that accompanies it, maybe find some simple children's comics and start looking up words. Maybe steal a textbook and start there. But picking up an Anki deck and just going for it makes it
1.) incredibly hard to retain absent of use in context, especially for a new learner
2.) stacks up quickly for most users, making motivation to do your daily reps become daunting
3.) saps the fun and engagement out of actually learning a language

Only the most turbo autists make it through this way; do not let survivorship bias cloud your judgement.

someone posted a link to this guy's channel in a previous thread and i've been watching it since. pretty comfy desu desu. youtube.com/watch?v=-IqVALI7OGs&list=PLw54a-TMLUKgsGbHy3ifp4Eu0f3XDf3Bv

there's like a million free resources but you'll just have to grind them all out until you find the one/s that work for you. if you already have prior experience with language then that's a headstart since you already know.
just bare in mind like, much of the advice is rawdogging SRS like Anki, which just doing in a vacuum is pretty fucking worthless. that has to be supplemental. there are people that have done Anki SRS every days for years but can't comprehend an actual sentence.
recognizing as many logographs as possible is cool, but it's not language comprehension. you need to listen/talk/read/write, so find shit you actually like, and study it.

skim the thread

don't see a single mention of any actual games being played

surely you guys aren't all just ankisloppers, right?

stop making me want to get back into learning japanese. pic unrelated

get card

know what the whole word means intuitively

recognize the kanji and intuit its correct reading in this context

read the full word out loud before flipping

end up misreading the fucking hiragana at the end

Honestly... should I count that as an "again" or should I just let it slide?

stacks up quickly for most users, making motivation to do your daily reps become daunting

This is my biggest gripe with srs. God forbid you have a life outside of Anki reviews.
I made my own flashcard application which is objectively shit, but it works for me - and consistency is all that matters really.

What's easier, getting a non feminist white cutie gf or learning jap

I beg you don't fall for the "learn writing" reddit trap, it's a scam.
Tell me in how many occasion you get to write in your own language on a daily basis? None. My dad is a writer, he hasn't written on a piece of paper in decades.
It is completely pointless, even most administrative documentation are filles on computer, everything is done on computer nowadays.
I learnt to write all kana as well but Kanji writing is a pure waste of time apart if you really love the language beyond just wanting to speak and read it.

it sucks but unless you get the reading and the meaning you can't pass a card. you're only cheating yourself brochacho

Learning Japanese. Don't even need to leave the house.

start translating all those untranslated doujinshi I always wanted to read

suddenly motivation comes back

It really was that simple

The deck I was using was a massive core deck with several thousand cards so reviews would already take around an hour and getting a card I "learned" like 3 months ago wrong for the 40th time was just annoying and demoralizing.

Some of them are what I call "dog shit" cards where its a word I realistically don't see myself ever reading or using so its whatever I usually just deleted them from the deck to add into a new deck later if I really need them and want to take it more serious. Other times I simply lack the knowledge to know if its relevant or not, and they all look the same.

Some in particular I remember (or don't remember, heh) vividly were these shit ass "position at a company" cards and there were like 3 of them that had the same ending with a different starting kanji like 社長 and 会長 and there was one more. I immediately know what I'm dealing with when it comes up. But I still always get it 'wrong' because they all blend together and I'm too dumb to separate them in my head.
I'll either pronounce the word right, but associate it with the wrong english word (one of the other company positions). Or get the english association right, but pronounce it as one of the other ones. Shit like that is so annoying because they just live in my reps forever even though I unironically know them better than some words my brain just can't differentiate them consistently (and probably never will without context, if it hasn't by now).