People love RPGs

People love RPGs

People love to build their own houses and bases

People love survival features

People love New Vegas

People love installing mods

Combine all of that into one game and you get Fallout 4

People hate it

Explain, I don't understand hate for Fallout 4
It has literally everything people asked for

Muh story

Fallout 4 has the best Bethesda written story since Morrowind

Fallout 4 > Avowed and The Outer Worlds and Starfield and Veilguard

FACT

Excellent post king troll

Someone might have taken your post seriously if not for outing yourself as bait with the story comment

Literally just waiting on a sale to reach more than 50% off
It looks ok as far as gameplay goes, but im not really into base building , mutations or borderlands modifyers rerolling, and that apparently is a huge part of the game
But not having the inventory issues of 76 would be nice kek

That's not much of an accomplishment. Might as well say it's better than Big Rigs: Off the Road Racing or Forsaken.

That's my honest opinion
Fallout 4 story is not deep or whatever but it tries to take inspiration from NV and give characters motivation and theme to the story and this is a huge step for Bethesda
What's the plot of Oblivion? You defeat the bad guys
What's the plot of Fallout 3? You defeat the bad guys
What's the plot of Skyrim? You defeat the evil dragon
And suddenly Fallout 4 has an ambiguous morality, discussion of humanity and slavery as the main plot of the game

I think you're right actually. It's a flawed game but it tries. It's memorable, fun, full of all kinds of interesting ideas, cool set pieces and a surprisingly detailed world. I think it could have genuinely been a masterpiece if they went over it again and did things better. It definitely felt like a response to New Vegas.

But even as it is there is nothing really like it.
youtu.be/X5aJfebzkrM

Because the writing, world, artstyle and RPG mechanics are complete niggerpoop in that game. modding, combat, base building and exploration was genuinely good in that game tho.

Big Rigs > Fallout 4

writing

Look >world
It's fine. Boston is cool, Glowing Sea is very cool, Far Harbor is extremely cool

artstyle

It's a mixed bag

RPG mechanics

Fallout 4 mechanics are fine. Much better than Oblivion, Fallout 3 and Skyrim. It's not NV of course but it's not complete shit like you say

there is no roleplay, your build and choices are irrelevant to the outcome of almost every quest and encounter

no good quests, yes including fah habah

all the factions are pants on head retarded, even for campy Fallout standards

settlements are literal trash heaps, settlers have no personality, and enemy attacks are lackluster

player character voice acting is usually awkward and it kneecaps modders

perk point system gentrifies all playthroughs into the exact same endgame experience. Even Skyrim largely avoids this problem

I'm a survival/settlement building enjoyer, and this game added a lot of great features to the series, but this game has such enormous flaws that you have to willingly ignore.

no good quests, yes including fah habah

Fallout 4 has more good quests than Fallout 3 or Skyrim

all the factions are pants on head retarded, even for campy Fallout standards

They're retarded but have some motivation and logic behind their actions

settlements are literal trash heaps, settlers have no personality, and enemy attacks are lackluster

Skill issue

player character voice acting is usually awkward and it kneecaps modders

Skill issue for modders

perk point system gentrifies all playthroughs into the exact same endgame experience

Better than past games
In Fallout 4 you have to be level 100+ to be a master of everything
In Skyrim and even NV it happens at level 30-40

Even Skyrim largely avoids this problem

lol no

people hate it

Most successful fo game outside of 76, which shouldn’t count. You fell for the memes. But, you say you enjoyed it so you’re just learning the internet is full of shit.

Throwing a bunch of features into a game doesn't make a good game.

It's objectively the best fallout game and all the RPGfags can suck my small dick. The game was never meant to be RPG. Fallout 4 does everything right. If you want mind-blowing tier writing read books and stop playing video games. The game has the best gameplay and I'm done listening to these "hardcore" gamers.Fuck you.

building houses and bases

Don’t you mean spamming shelves on a wall to get to level 15 in sanctuary?

Skill issue

In Fallout 4 I can nearly hit level 100 just by passively exploring the map and doing a handful of settlement quests, and the perk trees are shallow enough for you to reach everything you need. In Skyrim the rate at which you level plummets after like 35, then it's no more perk points unless you're deliberately grinding legendaries. Also the trees eat your levels up with shitty 50% damage modifiers or cost reductions untl you're locked into a build.
The "you can master everything" meme for Skyrim is literally not true, it's WAY easier to do that in any other TES game or even Fallout

It's actually the worst written.

What even worse is that Shawn states that Boston being flooded with SuperMutants is proof that the topside world is a complete loss. Then later you can explore the FEV lab and find out that nearly all of the supermutants in Boston were children from the wasteland that were kidnapped by the Institute, turned into super mutants, then released back into Boston.

People don't hate it you just confused Anon Babble for real life. It was incredibly popular and successful.

Put "some" in front of all those and it should clear things up a bit.

Fallout 4 feels more modern than Starfield.

People hate it

Trannies hate it. Most people love it, it's one of the most popular single player games of the past decade.

>People love RPGs

>People love to build their own houses and bases

>People love survival features

>People love New Vegas

>People love installing mods

I don't like any of that but I do like FO4

survival mode is kino (until you get a random crash or die by accidentally touching a car)

Consider taking an English course, thirdie

forgot the period

Oh no no no how embarrassing for you Anon

That is actually good and realistic dialog unlike the retarded infodump cliche shit in New Vegas. RPG fans don't know what good writing is.

the story is deeper than your thinking, I suppose.
Fallout 3 had more "le moral ambiguitity" than 4, and NV slightly more so.

Fallout 4 is a game I've come around on as a modding platform, but not as a core experience by itself. I just don't think the central thesis of the game, being the main plot and the loop you take through the world to get there, is good and it never will be. That's pretty objective, I think. All the factions suck, the majority of the quests suck, and as a whole it just doesn't amount to much.

I think when you load it out with mods to pack it out with things to collect and find, and stuff that really makes building a semi-worthwhile endeavor (like SS2), then you have something that can actually provide that somewhat solid "sandbox exploring" type game.

I will say though, I don't mesh with any of the super-hardcore-survival type mods. I know there are collections and stuff designed to make it like hardcore survival system, die-in-one-hit, pitch-black-darkness, possibly even survival-horror-ish gameplay, but then once you actually make it through some of those super difficult fights with basic raiders and ghouls and had to manage hunger and thirst and pee bars while walking, you get to a location...and it's a Fallout 4 NPC with Fallout 4 dialogue and quests.

exactly. the only good thing about it is the updates to the engine.
story is ass
dialogue is ass
quests are ASS
leveling is ass
physics is way better
gun system is way better

Fallout 3 had more "le moral ambiguitity" than 4, and NV slightly more so.

I'm sorry, fucking WHAT? New Vegas has SLIGHTLY more morally grey story than Fallout 3? SLIGHTLY?

Fallout 4 has more good quests than Fallout 3 or Skyrim

Love that one where you go loot kill return... oh wait, that's all of them isn't it? haha

Does anyone else find survival mode awful?

Part of me kind of wishes Fallout 76 was like, just an expansion to Fallout 4 in the way Tamriel Rebuilt was for Morrowind, because the one thing that FO4 suffers from as a modding platform is limited space to work with. There's only so many random buildings you can stuff new things into before you're tripping over a location every two feet (which it kind of is to begin with). I think with more space, more themed areas with more content to design around, you'd have a lot more freedom for modders to make crazy shit.

And also, FO4's hardcoded problem that can't be escaped is that the engine is, despite being slightly more stable than Skyrim and such, still shit, and if you are even marginally interested in the building aspect you run into that very hard. I would have enjoyed if the engine could actually support the building system that it gave you because there really is a lot of potential content there for building big, automated settlements that craft their own shit, trade with each other, and expand, but the game just literally cannot handle you working even within the limits it sets for you.

Fallout 3 had more "le moral ambiguitity" than 4

lol what
Fallout 3 is very straightforward good guys and bad guys (both without any motivation)
Have you even played any of these games?

New Vegas fans believe that Bethesda pays Indian people to talk shit about New Vegas online. A game they published and own the rights to. This is a real thing they actually believe. They are completely bonkers are not qualified to comment on the quality of any game or its writing.

Most people find it tedious busy work.
To be fair some do enjoy it but they tend to play niche games that cater to that specific itch.

and give characters motivation and theme to the story and this is a huge step for Bethesda

You are praising retards for doing the most basic shit, what a fucking joke lmaoo

Mods fix it

Have you even played any of these games?

Unfortunately.

yes, because they made as different as possible from NV survival mode, which was already nearly perfect. finding a randomly placed vendor who sells the only cure to a bunch of different diseases is ridiculous when not even common traders have it.

trolling or retard

Why aren't they working on fallout 5? Season 2 of the TV show is about to come out meanwhile their hasn't been a game since 4 in 2015

Going from New Vegas to 4 is a huge stepdown. Fallout 4 isn't bad it's just a big downgrade.

Why aren't they working on fallout 5?

Its already out, and its called Fallout 76, and it keeps getting new updates and lore.

people love to build their own houses and bases

yeah, when it works well and makes sense. nobody likes building shitty run down shacks for npcs to do nothing in.

They thought Bethesda tanked the metacriric score in order to save a million dollars.
NV brought in over 600 million. In their minds it makes perfect sense to sacrifice 10s of millions to save 1.
They are called Obsidiots for a reason.

I feel like the gameplay loop needs some of the survival features to not be boring but they are implemented to be so tedious that I usually just wind up turning the game off

if I owned a game that I also published and people were still talking about it 15 years later, I'd hurry my ass up and crank out a sequel.

If 4 had the different ammo types like NV i would like it more

Got to the railroad hq

youtu.be/v9mb8Yw92zM?si=mHrJbw_hHwFVN2PT started playing

Spy thriller atmosphere is spot on

Fallout 4 is far from perfect but it has its moments
How can Fallout 4 be a step down compared to NV when Bethesda wasn't the one who made NV?
You're complaining that apple tree gave apples and not plums
They are completely two different things and Fallout 4 was a huge step up from Skyrim and Fallout 3

That’d only be viable if you still had a team of skilled passionate developers

People hate it

By what metric? YouTube comments? Reddit posts? Even Reddit is becoming less hostile towards fallout 4. Fo4 is Bethesda's second most successful game and it's been in the steam top 100 for almost a decade now.

If you were following the hype and then realized they did everything to expand on the mass appeal aspects of skyrim, and very little to expand on the enjoyable video game aspects of FNV, TESIII/IV etc., you would hate it too.

It either has to be the focus of the game or not used at all.
You can't dabble in survival.

No one likes Fallout 76 trannies, I think literally any Fallout fan would agree with that
It's the one thing that unites Fallout 4,NV and even F3 fans

well they're backed by the richest company in human history now so perhaps they could put out a job offer?

and very little to expand on the enjoyable video game aspects of FNV, TESIII/IV etc

I don't mind people criticising Fallout 4, but most of the criticism is complete nonsense
Fallout 4 literally borrows a lot of ideas and concepts from NV. You can't say ‘they didn't try to satisfy NV fans’ when Fallout 4 has multiple factions and more story choices than any other Bethesda game
They also brought back some old mechanics that were removed in Skyrim and Oblivion like flying and modular armour

How can Fallout 4 be a step down compared to NV when Bethesda wasn't the one who made NV?

It's called Fallout..... Also the Rail Road HQ music is pretty good.

not true at all. NV adds in the survival elements but gives you skills and perks to deal with it without it being the main hassle of the game

If only the railroad wasn't the most retarded faction to ever exist in vidya

not an rpg
page 10

Unlimited jeet applicants != 2 dozen dudes who have worked together for years and love doing what they do.
It’s basically impossible for Bethesda to get back the spark they had in 00s

Is there something about New Vegas having Fallout in the name which makes people forgive the Obsidian-tier writing? Think about it. Pretty much every other Obsidian game is doo doo. You don't see 6 million redditors jumping to defend Tyranny. But NV gets a pass. Maybe it's actually bad just like every other Obsidian game but people pretend it's good because it's Fallout?

okay, then i can't say they didn't try. but i'll say they didn't a good enough job to prevent me from saying it resulted in a worse product.

>People love RPGs

Which Fallout 4 isnt

>People love to build their own houses and bases

Which Fallout 4 does nothing even remotely interesting with unless you install mods

>People love survival features

Which ones?

>People love New Vegas

Which is leagues above Fallout 4 despite being basicly a heavily modded Fallout 3

>People love installing mods

To fill in the gaps left by Bethesda

>Combine all of that into one game and you get Fallout 4

>People hate it

Your actually delusional if you believe this

Explain, I don't understand hate for Fallout 4

Its another horrible game by Bethesda

It has literally everything people asked for

It has everything "people" aka brain rotted retards who suck Bethesda cock wanted as in its an open world shooter looter with a Fallout theme

>Muh story

Fallout 4 has the best Bethesda written story since Morrowind

This is hislariously bad trolling, even being delusional would be more dignified.

I used it for about 10 minutes. Someone hurt my feelings and it crippled a leg.
If you enjoy crap like that more power to you. Keep it the fuck away from me.

no, what you're writing is complete nonsense. fallout 4 has a few story choices that all result in the same exact quests, just in reverse, but none of it is satisfying because the story makes zero sense. the institute has no real motives or goals, the railroad is retarded, building stuff for the minutemen sucks, leaving the BOS as the only choosable option without feeling stupid.

anyone pretending F4 writing is good

kek

fallout-archive.fandom.com/wiki/Ingram's_dialogue

He was a synth, and he needed to go down hard. We can't make exceptions for anyone.

For every synth we kill, they just roll another one right off the assembly line.

New vegas sucks ass and anyone who says otherwise is a fucking faggot who waited in line at gamestop for 2 days and paid $70 for a steaming pile of dogshit and have to justify it constantly.. Fallout 4 >> all fallouts
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you're mad at limb mechanics? those are awesome, not sure what to tell you. use a stimpack on the limb and your fine.

A stimpack?
Now you need 2 water

Game has forced voiced protag

Game has lame factions to choose from

Game makes no effort or consequences in playing with all the joinable faction

Game has no way to be a bad guy unless you buy a DLC

Game has one (1) whole quest decent with dynamic factions and interesting choice and consequences in a DLC

Game has no real RPG mechanics

Game managed to further dump down the already dumped down mechanics of Fallout 3

Game has somehow less guns than FNV

Game has base building that serve no purpose unless than creating a explore, loot and crafting loop to keep the player engaged

"Hurrr durr why pypol hate Falout 4"

I can play 1, 2, and NV over and over again, but haven't touched 3 since NV came out, and 4 left such a bad taste in my mouth as a Fallout game. I can't imagine anyone liking 4 unless it's for the open world looter shooter and/or crafting and building shit. As a Fallout game it's awful.

I wouldn't describe it as mad. It is like liver. Some people love it. To me it would gag a maggot.
Limb mechanics fall into the maggot gagger category.

It's called Fallout

Fallout was never coherent
Literally every game is trying to do something new
Railroad are pretty decent
I don't think there is a single reasonable person that would deny that Fallout 4 is a better RPG than NV
Something doesn't have to be better to be enjoyable

fallout 4 has a few story choices that all result in the same exact quests

All your choices in NV also lead to the battle of the dam so what?
All your choices in fallout 1 and 2 also lead to the same place

because the story makes zero sense

It makes complete sense, it's just pretty mediocre and shallow

institute has no real motives or goals

They have both goals and motives, they're just really shallow

railroad is retarded

Railroad is interesting
They save synths yet still erase their personality

building stuff for the minutemen sucks

There's not even a lot of building for minutemen
It was the same until I decided to replay the whole series
Fallout 3 was worse than I remembered and Fallout 4 isn't as bad as I remember it. I would have zero complaints about F4 if it wasn't for the terrible marketing campaign and name. It's a great spinoff

I don't think there is a single reasonable person that would deny that Fallout 4 is a better RPG than NV

I meant the other way round
NV is definitely better than Fallout 4

Umm well I tried modding it but I hate the armor keywords cancer stuff and furthermore last time I checked it didn’t be got the loli support I need…

but haven't touched 3 since NV

TTW has been updated recently and its imo the best way to enjoy Fallout 3. As a Fallout 1/2/NV enjoyer, F3 lacked a lot of mechanics that are tweaked and balanced in the way FNV has done things.
Not only that but you can also customize your experience and have a much better time roleplaying and playing Fallout 3 than in the base game.
I add the farm mods in all my games with TTW on just so I can have an answer to what the people in the wasteland in eat. I disable fast travel with immersive and better way to travel through caravans and dedicated drivers through some mods, put a TTW inspired JSawyer mod and I have a mostly vanilla lite experience that feels like a proper RPG.
However, no matter the amount of mods will fix the writing in some parts so what I do right now is that I mostly RP as a guy who work with the Outcast and scavenge for tech, kill and try to steal from others valuable tech for my faction.

so then why is it hard to comprehend that people were dissapointed and did not like the next iteration of the RPG that you have now stated "no reasonable person would claim is a better RPG than NV"

All your choices in NV also lead to the battle of the dam so what?

yeah, and all of the choices you made throughout the game, all the quests you finished, all your choices with the factions massively effect the final battle. the consequences of your actions are shown to you and help you. the battle of the dam is one of the best levels in video games of all time.

It makes complete sense

in one sentence explain why the institute was replacing people

they're just really shallow

no, saving synths only to release them into the wild without help or any fucking memories makes no fucking sense.

enjoy Fallout 3

Enjoyment and Fallout 3 are incompatible
People can only blame themselves for inflated expectations
Why were you expecting New Vegas 2 from Bethesda?

Pretty sure the community collectively decided to abandon the community keyword project?
But ditching that leavea a lot of early mods unusable

all your choices with the factions massively effect the final battle

It's the same for Fallout 4
At least play the game before you try to criticise it

you go to a restaurant that only had ever served you top tier-steak, then they give you a plate of steaming dogshit.

But ditching that leavea a lot of early mods unusable

Either way early mods sucked and the few worthwhile mods got a redux version or a patch removing the mod requirements

This restaurant never had top tier steaks, it just had a guest chef the last time you were there

its not the same at all, fallout 4 does none of that. you either blow up one place or blow up another, thats it. they even stole the final mission from fallout 3 for the brotherhood of steel because they were so creatively bankrupt. fallout 4 was fucking trash and you have trash taste.

All your choices in NV also lead to the battle of the dam so what?

All your choices in fallout 1 and 2 also lead to the same place

Not really, in both cases even if your objectives are to prepare for the final quests that climatic, the journey you do from point A to B vastly influence the outcome of how the climax will play out.
If you leveled up a certain way and stick to your character sheet and plan some path is open, others are locked.
In Fallout 4, no matter how you build your character or what choice you do. The climatic quest that is supposed to solve the Boston crisis feels like an after thought.
You can literally work for all factions at the same time and only decide which faction to support in the last moment. There is no consequences or new things that can happen if you decide to support one faction over another.
As a matter of fact, if you played a single playthrough of Fallout 4, you would have experienced most of what the game had to offer.
Compare that to Fallout 1, 2 or NV that literally bars you from quests, NPCs or content if you happen to prefer a faction or to help another in a certain way. It encourages the player to replay the game and have fun again, and its simply not the case for Fallout 4.

its not the same at all

Yes because Fallout 4 has more variations of the final quest than NV
I put you in front of objective facts, all you have are insults and empty lies, it's obvious who's right here

Enjoyment and Fallout 3 are incompatible

It has its moment, and with TTW you can have heavily customize playthrough fit to your liking. I enjoy playing the way I am playing, it feels more like a proper RPG but still it lacks some really good quests.

All the things you described are the same as in NV

lists games that came out after new vegas

they were known for nwn2, kotor 2, and new vegas
they only went to shit after those

It has its moment

There's not a single good thing about Fallout 3

you're not giving any objective facts, you're just saying nonsense. im insulting you because you deserve to be bullied for blatantly lying. fallout 4 does not have more variations of the final quest, thats complete bullshit, and you're retarded for saying it.

the named sidequests in fallout 3 are fantastic and the main questline has its really good moments. its also much harder than 4 which made it better, you really had to fight through the subways.

Fallout 4 is the most modded of the 2 fallouts because it's frankly the fallout that feels the most sand box and the base game just leaves a lot of things to be desired so people mod the game into whatever they want it to be and it works surprisingly well.
After watching the spiffingbrit's zombie apocalypse run, I made my own and now turned the game into a Last of Us/Resident Evil survival game and where the entire game is populated by feral ghouls and stuff. Shit is fucking fun as hell. I would never ask another fallout to be like 4 but what 4 does is something no other game besides skyrim does for the fantasy genre and that fits a niche many people like, despite its many many flaws as a game.

This bad game is worse than these horrible games

Room temperature take.

the named sidequests in fallout 3

no
kys

HOT DAMN I MIGHT CHECK IT OUT AGAIN…

The settlement shit is really intrusive and feels like it's trying to take the game in a totally different direction that doesn't suit the existing game play mechanics or the series.
Unironically, 76 fixed this by just making it a camp with basic personal facilities and room for a single companion.
But then that game fucked it up by not letting you have a traveling companion.
Oh also the main story is just absolute garbage in 4, brings the whole experience down.

voiced

shallow dialogue

ANOTHER SETTLEMENT NEEDS YOUR HELP

the institute

synths

boring setting

Nobody gives a shit about boston to be completely desu with you senpai

NV has 3 variations of the final quest at the dam, everything else is minor stuff
Fallout 4 has 4 variations of the final quest + some variation on top of that. It is dragged down by the lack of end game slides which makes the choices way less obvious

No, helping tribals in an abandonned Airforce base drastically change the outcome of the battle in your favor.
Having factions joining your side in the final battles drastically change the outcome in your favor.
Having your character build a certain way will help you to have another path that doesnt necessarly need more violence and can tip the odds in your favor.

Fallout 4 has non of that. The BoS will still have Liberty Prime in the end, the Railroad will still invade the Institute even if you are caught, the Institute will still launch their attacks. The Minutemen are still the failsafe that can wipe all the other faction.
Literally the only consequences in Fallout 4 is the color of the flag in Diamond City after the "slide show".

Also, my fallout 4 is like 3 different games by now.
I constantly switch between 3 modlists/collections, between desertpunk, modern warfare milsim, and this zombie survivor run. If only the game didn't crash so often, I could probably play this shit for another decade.

Fallout 4 has the best Bethesda written story since Morrowind

Fallout 4 story could total garbage and this sentence still can be true

helping tribals in an abandonned Airforce base drastically change the outcome of the battle in your favor

drastically

Dude, I love NV too but this is bullshit
You get a simple scripted scene and -20 to the Speech requirement, that's it
Both games are good (NV is better) but far from perfect

What big mods don't use AWKCR anymore?
Because isn't that shit required for basic weapon and armor mods? I'm afraid to remove it because I just know it's going to corrupt my saves.

By the by, just in case some one's modding in enemy placements. Don't use mutant menagerie and zombie walkers together. Ruined several hours of constant crashing until I downloaded a crash logger that showed these two were the culprits.

Because isn't that shit required for basic weapon and armor mods?

Nobody's using this shit since 2016

The map is like one ten by ten cell

Fuck anyone who thinks that’s acceptable

Mutant menagerie in general is pretty unstable

The consequence is literally less fighting and a better path to the Legate/General.
FNV rewards you by the end of the game by having a cool sequence, an easier time fighting and more NPCs from other factions assisting you in battle.
Being the new Papa Khan allows you to have Khan guards assisting you in the battle if you choose to do so.
Having a leverage with the Boomers allows you a better skill check.
Convincing the Reamnants allow you to have an ex-Enclave heavy squad at your command.

Again, Fallout 4 doesnt reward you for your effort. You can put less effort exploring and just blazing the mainquest, and nothing will change if you put some effort, not even an easier time.

Sadly had to remove it from another collection too because even getting near some of the spawned creatures could cause CTDs. Sad because I liked that it populated the world with a bunch of new animals and the game, unlike skyrim, doesn't really like it when you force scripts that add a bunch of different new creatures.

Love how the entire russki community is turning fallout 4 into tarkov just to avoid actually playing tarkov because of its cancerous devs.

bought FO76 like 5 years ago on sale cause why not I enjoyed FO4 as a garbage man simulator with mods

actually had interesting locations to explore

more variety of weapons

more variety of enemies

cryptoids were interesting

better perk system

CAMP system was better than settlements

I really wish there was an offline variant without all the MTX bullshit. It's like they built off the criticism of FO4 and made a better game after their initial launch fuckup... but I haven't touched it in like 2 years but apparently some of the updates since then sucked so whatever.

The consequence is literally less fighting and a better path to the Legate/General.

No
It's just visual effect
Bombing doesn't kill a single enemy

Being the new Papa Khan allows you to have Khan guards assisting you in the battle if you choose to do so.

They only appear at the initial part of the dam and NCR soldiers there kill all the Legionnaires themselves

Having a leverage with the Boomers allows you a better skill check.

Only in 2 out of 4 endings and it's completely useless
You literally have multiple options to end everything without a fight and without skill checks

Convincing the Reamnants allow you to have an ex-Enclave heavy squad at your command.

show up at the part of the dam where NCR soldiers usually clear it themselves
It's all smoke and mirrors

I unironically prefer a "You defeat the bad guys" RPG over a "Muh factions" one if the factions are boring and/or if their ideological conflict is uninteresting, which is why I prefer 3's story to 4's.

Fallout 76 is worse than Fallout 4 in every way
You should follow Fallout 76 trannies and kill yourself

The setting and the cryptid shit is unironically one of the biggest draws of 76 for me but I won't touch it because well it's 76. A fucking shame man.

yeah they're fun, you just have bad taste.

minor stuff

having a fucking bomber fly over and blow shit up isn't minor

4 variations

of all the same fucking thing, blow up the other bases. if anything its the same final mission every playthrough with one of the four parts taken out depending on who you're siding with.

having a fucking bomber fly over and blow shit up isn't minor

Anyone use Overgrowth? Is it normal that some textures look really low res? Looks realy neat otherwise.

It's just visual effect

Ignore the easier skill check against Oliver
Ignore the easier fight on the dam

B-but its only in two endings

Still present in the game and a way to help the player to admit peacefully negociate with General Oliver. So its not useless you dumb fuck.

NCR soldiers there kill all the Legionnaires themselves

The Legionaries are fitted with AMR, 12.7mm SMGs, Carabine and Marksman rifle as well as Thermal Lance and Hunting Shotty, during the battle of Hoover Dam. They will kill NCR soldiers but struggle against the Rangers but will overpower them through sheer numbers and equipement which is a deliberate design from the game. Your actions where you have a better party and people helping you in the battle makes things easier.

Now, tell me what Fallout 4 does that constitutes as a consequence in the "climatic" quest to solve the Boston knot? Because it does barely any effort to do so.

Ignore the easier fight on the dam

bombing doesn't kill a single enemy

Literally just waiting on a sale to reach more than 50% off

This. I picked up the base game from the recent fanatical bundle for $3, but the season pass is way overpriced. I’m not *that* eager to play Fallout 4.

Nta but as much as I love playing 4, the ending and probably the story as a whole is probably the most whatever in any "RPG" that I've played. It's barely as consequential as your average RTS game, which is to say, it's just set dressing for the big explosions and fights you're doing along the way.

A lot of bethesda fans like the little NPC stories and quests. fallout 4 had very few of those.

Keep in mind Bethesda has been shooting for building up a fanbase of the lowest common denominator for quite some time, so you arent going to get a lot of very insightful replies, people love the "feel" of skyrim but they cant explain why (its the artstyle / music (especially music that creates a unique atmosphere)). Fallout 4 lacked that atmosphere, and lacked the NPCs, so it doesnt matter that it did everything else better than skyrim, it didnt feel good to them so its bad.

You literally fight less people than having no bombs. There are still ambushes from the towers but thats it.
What I liked in Fallout 4 was the liberty how I could infiltrate and use the factions to kill each other but beyond that. Going in a raid against the Railroads, exploding the Prydwin or activating a nuke under the Institute are all pretty much the same sequence with just another faction helping you out instead.

Which is really a shame, they could've have done something interesting but they still simply done the same sequence under a new paint of coat.

It was the same until I decided to replay the whole series. Fallout 3 was worse than I remembered and Fallout 4 isn't as bad as I remember it.

Oddly enough I went and had the opposite experience just a few months ago. No matter how I try and mod FO4 I bounce right off it after about three or four hours. There will be stretches where things are enjoyable but I get sick of Boston before I even get to Diamond City.

I started up a FO3 playthrough using the Begin Again modpack and found myself having a proper good time. The writing still sucks, but any time I'm not talking to Dad the game is pretty OK. I went unarmed, got to punch Deathclaws in the face, yada yada. The survival stuff from NV certainly helps; stuff like poison crafting and food requirements add a bit of needed grit imo without being overbearing. I'm also convinced that DC is just better.

I think the only thing I'd go back and change from my previous playthrough is that I'd find something to make stimpacks less common. DC has enough stims to last the whole Wasteland a decade of daily use I swear to Todd.

Don't blame ya, before I left they were fucking around with shit to balance weapons, builds and trying to accommodate new players with level scaling that fucked with a lot of shit. Mostly played it solo, but watching like 15-20 players lighting up the night sky with lasers and bullets fighting the scorchbeast queen had its moments. Still, the MTX, season passes and general jewery really dampened it... and the GaaS fuckery.
Would be playing it a lot more over FO4 if they had an offline variant with proper mod support, cause a lot of the gameplay is an improvement over 4.

Wait, if people don't use armor and weapon keywords, how are you using armorsmith? Is there replacement mod so that you can actually wear armor on top of clothing?

By this point the game has catered two perfectly different niches and that's fine. Skyrim is largely cozy fantasy roadtrip that feels like a homemade meal on a rainy day. It's plenty relaxing and slowpaced and is a nice game to sink hours into once in a while, especially if you're really stressed or just to wind off. The atmosphere and OST to this day is still unmatched imo.

Fallout 4 over the decade by comparison has attracted a different kind of people, and judging from the nexus page, it's mostly slavs and people who watch kentucky ballistics.
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wait nevermind. I looked up my armor mods and it turns out none of them even needed it.

Easy, it's a bad game.
Hope that helps you understand.

The overhaul series by dank raft are basically seen as the modern solution.
I don’t know of any weapon mods that need awkcr, only armor, and that one pack far west minutemen is the only thing of value to be lost.
I wound not touch weapon smith at all if you want to use awkcr, just uco.
But honestly the above mentioned overhaul series is the cleanest implementation with the most features

Its already out, and its called Fallout 76, and it keeps getting new updates and lore.

If it was never redesigned to not break precombines it’s a ticking time bomb regardless of how powerful your pc is

Thanks anon. Turns out a bunch of mods I've been using have been depreciated or obsolete for a decade. Only kept using them because they were what I've been using all this time.

Automatron is unironically my favorite bethesda dlc.It's fairly early on, it's short and concise, robots are fun to fight and the robot customizer mechanic is really neat. I just wish there was a lot more options so you can have your own AC mech.

In the commonwealth there is a cancer

chills every time

New vegas cucks and trannies just rage because they don't have low intelligence poopie butthole dialogue options, that's literally it that's all they wanted it's pathetic.