Original Doomguy was much cooler and it's impressive that they've got it so fucking wrong now

Original Doomguy was much cooler and it's impressive that they've got it so fucking wrong now

They have to do it, it's a compulsion that is barely even a conscious thought. The original DOOM guy was just a dude with a gun. (You) could be DOOM guy if you put in the effort to get in shape and learn to shoot if you really, deeply wanted to. They exaggerated him to the point of perversion for the same reason they turned around and pussified and humiliated characters like Joel from Last Of Us.

He's the most boring character in existence. Even primeval videogame characters like Pacman are more interesting.

He's Hugo Martin's self insert now

modern devs fail to understand that characters like Doomguy, Samus, Garrett etc are cool because they're relatively normal blank slates that become powerful due to the player's mastery
Garrett is by all means just a regular bloke, but in the player's hands he's a master thief
Samus garnered a reputation for being a highly capable and stoic mercenary not because the developers put a ton of effort into characterizing her that way, but because those qualities mirror the player playing as Samus; she didn't need to pull tryhard cool poses as if there's an audience watching her like she does in Dread, she just is cool by nature of the player doing cool shit with her
the same applies for Doom of course. he's a regular marine capable of fighting off hordes of demons in YOUR hands, but in nu-Doom you're told that you're cool just for existing as NPCs routinely trip over you and remind you how cool you are just for existing

Left one is fallible and human, but he's angry, because they killed everyone in his station, and his pet bunny, and he's out for survival and revenge, and becomes a legendary hero by saving Earth from an invasion out of pure guts

It was cool in 2016 that it was revealed he's the same Marine and Hell does know about him and fears him, but overall he's treated like the Marine. The super powered armor was a lame bit to add tho.

Right one is INVINCIBLE and so BADASS he punches bullets back to the enemy and has this super powered armor that makes him super human and also a magical shield and magical attachments to him and that's why he's special and he is badass because he just is, ok?!

it's all just incredibly marvelbrained and I hate it, reasonably normal guy persevering against impossible odds, even if they're only "normal" for the purposes of the story, will always be more compelling than OP superhero (especially if they're the "chosen one" or some bullshit, fuck off) saving the day.

it's all just incredibly marvelbrained

On purpose. Hugo Martin shamelessly ripped off the Avengers Endgame portal scene for reddit upvotes.

but in nu-Doom you're told that you're cool just for existing as NPCs routinely trip over you and remind you how cool you are just for existing

I mean it's funny and cool that regular people in Eternal were terrified of seeing him because they know who he is, but demons and villains tripping over the MCs dick and falling over into their mouths makes it lame, because it makes it seem he's just godlike and there is no threat, no rivals, nad no one better than (you), the player. Might as well pack your things and go home.

I liked that in 2016 the enemies had these kill animations like fatalities on you and made you look like you're in the same level of danger. They are hellspawn demons after all. In Eternal the cocksucking reached atomical levels and it doesn't hit the same way. It's just lame.

Has anyone reported something about the devs acknowledging this Marvelslop shit and how its hurting them?

You can even do a non-normal protagonist with lots of personality and still have it be interesting! Look at Caleb, he's explicitly got supernatural powers and does all kinds of """badass""" things but it never feels like the game is sucking his/the player's dick probably mostly because he can get mulched in .5 seconds by some asshole in a bathrobe no matter how good you are at tossing dynamite

Hurting them? No. Hugo Martin has said multiple times he's proud to be "influenced" by Marvel.

Garrett is by all means just a regular bloke

bullshit, the keepers know semi-magical stealth techniques that make them really hard to see and they taught Garrett how to use them
His mentor was shocked that a street urchin could even see him while he was walking down a street, that's not your "regular bloke" level of stealth

when was it ever implied that Classic Doomguy was always very angry?

The Chuck Norris of vidya

doom 2016 is the best and everybody else is a pseud for thinking otherwise

you lost

The sprite of his face always looks kinda pissed off, I guess, though he is semi-explicitly on a revenge mission in 2 onwards

Doom Dark Ages is even more try-hard than Eternal. Trying to puff something up as the coolest thing ever can backfire and make it lame and gay. Having him beat Cthulhu doesn't make him seem cool, it makes it seem like the devs are doing what they can to win power scaling arguments when it comes to video game protagonists.

I just want a dude with a gun that wrecks shit, not shieldsaws, not dragon pets, and not demigod energy.

I thought Eternal’s marvelshit was fine. Ancient Gods however was too much bullshit

Hopefully they'll overcorrect (again) hard enough that the next game will be exactly that.

a regular guy who can carry 200lbs of guns and ammo while running at 60mph and can tank rockets

ok

He did stretches before the game started.

We could have had a game between 2016 and Eternal playing as Hayden with robot abilities and shit. That would have been cool.

I always interpreted 2016 doom as demons misunderstanding the doomguy
Like he is so badass demons thought he is some kind of overpowered anime character
But then it turned out that he is, and was buffed by some god ayys and other shit and he got artifacts that kill demons better, instead of ol' double barrel
It made demons fear the players instead of some established character, it does feel good knowing that they are afraid of you, and animations where you get wrecked also contradict the storytelling of newer dooms, because it confirms that it's you playing good makes you badass, not doomguy punching hard in the story
just another ludo narrative dissonance like in every sony game added to story for no fucking reason

maybe the space marine regimen is really good

marvel

superhero

You guys are retarded.

Like he is so badass demons thought he is some kind of overpowered anime character

But then it turned out that he is, and was buffed by some god ayys and other shit and he got artifacts that kill demons better, instead of ol' double barrel

Indeed, yes, that was 2016's angle and the got it right. The only thing that was mentioned is that he got the armor blessed but he was, more or less, just the OG Doomguy. That is what made it so much more awesome. In Eternal they turned around and went OH NO ACTUALLY HE'S THE CHOSEN ONE ALL ALONG and that's so lame.

Mario collects coins, but where does he store them?!

I know it's far from being canon, but i really like the way his cut lines from Quake 3 (youtu.be/P9oKCHOaREo?si=40wksGy8ez9ZaFc4) portray him as a man who has lost his mind fighting (and winning against) the literal manifestation of evil itself

Correct. His last appearance was in the best Doom game.

been saying this since nu-doom first released, the thing is cringe and reddit as all fuck

a regular guy who can carry 200lbs of guns and ammo while running at 60mph and can tank rockets

um aksually gameplay mechanics are canon bro

nu-Id promptly believes so and then makes all the weapons and pickups glow in the dark and have extra lives lying around for Doomguy to pick up now

you just know

It's the logical end, really. People who hate video games make them now.

He he! Girls secret!

Uhm, ackshually Doomguy can pause time, go back in time, and reincarnate!

The dark ages was great. Epic battles while also having the tools for resiliency so you don't have to jump around like some sperg. Can't remember a game with good dragon shit since reign of fire. Glad I played it.

All the detractors are people pissed it isn't optimized.

The chosen trope got bad only after japanese adopted it without understanding how it works
King Arthur is kinda chosen one character, but he is also cool and heroic by himself
Chosen one isn't literally being chosen and given power to punch hard, it is a title you have to deserve
Only japanese game that more or less did it right that I know is dark souls, chosen undead doesn't actually have some cool power, everybody can revive, your character you play as is just so autistic he doesn't give a shit when he gets smashed to puddle, just keeps going
But it was a subversion of a trope, because chosen undead tale is a psyop to make zombies kill themselves to fuel the fire

The rabbit scene? You're probably a zoomer though and never seen the OG's.

muh japs

You're fucking retarded.

I think most people would be pissed in that moment

The writing of japanese media is objectively mediocre, once that are simply on par with non slop western media of last century is considered a masterpiece
Obviously 90% of western media is also total garbage, but it is also because it copies japanese writing, which is already a derivative in many ways
Please tell me how naruto is as good as lord of the rings

here's your parryslop bro

Yawn. Also the giant robot sections were lazy.

i only watch mainstream crap

Holy shit you're retarded.
There's lots of bad western chosen ones you fucking stinker.
No wonder this slop appeals to you.

You got attached to entertainment for children, modern writers were watching anime in childhood and never moved on, and now put anime tropes in their works, which is why we got doom eternal and dark ages

NONONO

I need my REGULAR guy who's somehow immortal and uber-powerful and unstoppable or else people might think he's some kind of mary sue!

You want the same thing they do but with a the deception of saying that he's just some regular joe.

Story NEEDS 100+ pages of explanation on why videogame main character doesn't get tired or instantly die from a bullet

It'll be really funny when Half-Life 3 comes out next year (it's confirmed to be in late stages of development) and the whole game and every single NPC and enemy proceed to deepthroat Gordon like he's some super powered messiah.

that was a scene that was added in an additional chapter of DOOM two years after the original release of the game. when the game was initially developed, I doubt the devs always had this idea of Doomguy's character being le super angry guy that's literally too angry to die (because he's angry) that reddit thinks he always was.

>I need my REGULAR guy who's somehow immortal and uber-powerful and unstoppable or else people might think he's some kind of mary sue!

He isn't, he literally dies and goes to hell, why does everyone forget that?

Doomguy was never cool and you dipshit retards always wanked him nonstop. The only reason it's not cool now is because 'muh reddit did it!!!'

This shit is nothing like anime numbnuts, this is based on high fantasy tropes but told badly.

I don't want the game trying to fellate me and act like I'm the coolest existence ever for doing what I should be doing. Doom was about killing demons. Now it has to have lore, recurring characters that all have to step aside awkwardly to acknowledge the hero being the best around, and a fucking multiverse.

The last thing the merchants want is for the average man to think he's capable against impossible odds.

John Stalvern waited. The lights above him blinked and sparked out of the air. There were demons in the base. He didn't see them, but had expected them now for years. His warnings to Cernel Joson were not listenend to and now it was too late. Far too late for now, anyway.
John was a space marine for fourteen years. When he was young he watched the spaceships and he said to dad "I want to be on the ships daddy."
Dad said "No! You will BE KILL BY DEMONS"
There was a time when he believed him. Then as he got oldered he stopped. But now in the space station base of the UAC he knew there were demons.
"This is Joson" the radio crackered. "You must fight the demons!"
So John gotted his palsma rifle and blew up the wall.
"HE GOING TO KILL US" said the demons
"I will shoot at him" said the cyberdemon and he fired the rocket missiles. John plasmaed at him and tried to blew him up. But then the ceiling fell and they were trapped and not able to kill.
"No! I must kill the demons" he shouted
The radio said "No, John. You are the demons"
And then John was a zombie.

Master Chief is an evolution of Doomguy done right. Still a player avatar, but most of the extra characterization falls perfectly in line with how he's played. There's fellating, but it's also balanced out by other characters like Johnson being able to talk shit shit to his face.

You wanna get sucked off but for the game to act like it's no big deal and you're not super cool at all.

Where would people get that idea back in 93?

You think this guy feels eternal shame and embarrassment for his overreaction to a trailer?

Yeah videogame are power fantasies. You know that in real life soldiers don't run around and kill thousands by themselves like in call of duty?
Nobody asked for bloated lore that isn't even interesting to read, because it just drops random termins
Show(play) not tell

Is this the most critically panned game this generation? It’s like the polar opposite of Expedition 33. Nearly everyone hates it. How could Bethesda do this?

Nta, i know that it became a meme, but that just a quick gag before he lost the berserk power up, in the comic he was more of an Ash Williams

in his foreskin, or his boypurse if that's your thing

everything is retarded now who cares at this point
nothing cool will ever exist again because zoomers are faggots and lizards run the media
the people in charge are the people who consistently miss the point of everything

I feel like it's just very telling of the vacuous and extreme nature of today's audiences. Nothing can just be anything. It always has to be more to a point of excess.

Doomguy in classic Doom was not a character.
The levels were the characters.

No because reddit went out of their way to make him a martyr to take a stand against "toxic Star Wars fans". I think they managed to get him into a sneak preview of one of the newer Star Wars movies even.

Golems feel nothing, anon.

There is a key narrative difference in the main character doing what is expected of him as the chosen one of destiny, and accomplishing something against impossible odds. One is really inspiring and heroic, the other is boring and lame. The thing that makes Doomguy immortal and uber-powerful and unstoppable is your skill as the player, being TOLD by the story itself that you are all of those things already diminishes that.

Well, it's a bit easy forget that even Anon Babble used to post about things like how fast Doomguy went and how much force his punches would've had or some shit, well before Doom 2016 was a thing. Those screencaps are still floating about somewhere. But more important still is that Doom in itself is an IP that is very often misrepresented and misremembered, which is how you got all this power level wank on id Software's own part ever since the reboot.

The Doom comic probably. While he was underneath the effect of a Berserk pack, the whole rip & tear shit still eventually became synonymous with the IP.

Mind, Thy Fleshed Consumed (ending pic on the left) was released after Doom 2.

They should do a doomguy vs spawn game next

your pic isn't as convincing as you think it is

I hate this too and they keep digging further with each game adding more and more, now hes routinely mindwiped by the maykr squid aliens so any original motive he had as a normal guy is 100% gone too

Both design look good.

am I supposed to be seeing a resemblance here?

Hes just a happy go lucky guy who carries a chainsaw and double barrel shotgun, holy shit man, why do you think every retro fps protag like caleb, lowang, and duke are all cold hearted killers? Because for the gameplay to make sense they have to enjoy it. Tired of this revisionism.

oh look its this thread again. just make the epic meme where zoomguy has nudonkey kongs head and get all the upvotes on twitter already

this
it pisses me off how extremist everyone is

just look at this shit and tell me it looks like DOOM with a straight face, after how hard TDA flopped, I think the franchise deserves to be put back in stasis again.

the more I think about it, the more it pisses me off, the devs had a golden opportunity of making a series of games where they could put literally 0 effort into making good stories AND get away with it, but they went the extra mile to ruin it with their pozzed lore shit.

(You) could be DOOM guy if you put in the effort to get in shape

i hated the platforming in eternal so much i don't even care. dark ages can't possibly be worse than eternal.

me write five words about based option

me write fifty billion words about option i hate

this is one of those faggoty "the left can't meme" posts but it's about doomguy

It's an interesting direction for the character, as far as a fun little cameo appearance. Though I'd fear if they tried to make a game based on this interpretation of him it'd be a generic "John? John Doomguy? The demons were never real, John. What do you really think happened on Phobos?" like all hacks enjoy doing. There's gotta a middle ground between DUDE HE'S SO BADASS RIP AND TEAR and DUDE HE'S JUST CRAZY LMAO but I don't think they'd be able to find it.

You could complain about that in 2
At least by the time 3 happens he has done so much shit that word would surely spread around

oh no a strong woman, I am going insaaaaane

nips version of the chosen one comes from their cultural views on determinism vs destiny. that has nothing to do with the dark ages though, which is a slop game made by someone who admitted he just wanted to make a marvel movie, literally, not me shitposting.

I'm more concerned about this ridiculous desire to have this indepth story to a Doom game, and I still couldn't be bothered to remember even half of the characters names. Vega and Hayden I did because one was chewing the scenery with most of his line delivery and the other was a helpful character that kept appearing throughout the game. It's baffling how they understood what worked in Doom 2016 to now going full tilt into the very thing they knew nobody would've wanted with that theoretical Call of Doom game.

It's like every game series just gets turned into some libtard faggot's failed YA novel the longer it goes on, no matter how absurd or unfitting it is
I blame corporate culture, where nobody is allowed to just tell someone "no this is fucking gay"

oh no, that stupid fucking nigger deborah williams, but they bleached her skin this time

Im going insaaaaaaaaaaaaaane

I actually am. Please stop it I can't stand this chick get here out of my games I'll never make fun of tara strong or laura bailey again I kneel

Unironically it looks like some faggy Turok reboot more than DOOM

The quirky yet helpful AI is actually God(?)

The well intentioned but extremely dehumanized business man is actually an angel

Gay, i guess they didn't to be seen as a MC-Cortana clone but jesus

What happened in the rabbit scene?

tara strong or laura bailey

Those two actually have enough acting range to play distinct characters, though, even if they were in goddamn fucking everything. Otherwise I'm with you.

They put more story in

(You) could be DOOM guy if you put in the effort to get in shape and learn to shoot if you really, deeply wanted to.

The OG Doomguy can outrun a fucking car.

An anon pointed out in a previous thread that that latinx Martin only worked in slop before Doom, so who knows maybe IT IS his dreamgame the thing he's trying to turn doom into, like i don't know about you, but Doom is the last franchise where i could see From's game design and totally not 40k aesthetics working

The original DOOM guy was just a dude with a gun. (You) could be DOOM guy if you put in the effort to get in shape and learn to shoot if you really, deeply wanted to.

This is what Doom Eternal should have been about. Not the Doom Slayer™ getting sucked off at every opportunity through the most retarded scifi fantasy setting ever devised, but the Doom Guy's exploits against the demons inspiring more and more humans to stop being afraid of demons and start being fucking mad. The game should have been about Doom Guy running around trying to get to and kill some particularly bad demon, with the levels containing evidence of ever greater destabilization of the occupation of earth's solar system by the demons, with the final level being set in a full scale invasion of hell by humanity inspired by the Doom Guy's exploits but without his direct involvement or cooperation. Could even serve as a diegetic basis for multiplayer, could even kill off the Doom Guy at the end of the game only for it to not matter because there are thousands of Doom Guys who all want to slaughter every demon. It was right there in the title theme! The Only Thing They Fear Is (YOU)

Game mechanics ≠ Canon

Quake 4 had a lot of story and no one really cared, just get over it. Or go back to Doom 2 WADs if you really can't handle it.

It was right there in the title theme! The Only Thing They Fear Is (YOU)

That's so cheesy but i'll allow it

We got the DOOM™guy on the right because of retards shitposting about how le epic original Doomguy was because of his 50mph movement speed and shit like that. People unironically saying Doomguy could 1v1 a space marine from 40K. You fuckers literally caused this.

Kinda sounds like a Dirty Harry cadence.

The gravity is lower.

its one of the worst fps games I've ever played

MUH POSES IN DREAD!!!

You’re such a redditor

doom 1 itself makes the case doomguy is definitely not a normal guy to be doing what he's doing, he is not just a dude with a gun

I genuinely believe that the fucking Death Battle video was the catalyst for this

"No! Doomguy HAS to be better than Master Chief! He HAS to be more epicer!!!"

This

Doom 1 Doomguy is literally just a regular marine, an unremarkable and expendable one at that who got shipped to a shitty assignment because he disobeyed orders. The manual paints the situation as pretty fucked and hopeless, too.

He fucking died anon

I would like to have seen a game set in that time where you play as a regular Earth defender as everything falls apart.

doom 1 is a marine expelled to mars for assaulting a CO that ordered him to fire on civilians and the shareware chapter (also the first chapter of the retail game) says after being dragged to hell in an unceremonious death at the end of doom 1 he picked himself up and fought his way back to earth *from* the afterlife
yes! this doesn't mean he's not fucking jacked

Yep, and the catalyst for that video was 100% this image, and the pandora's box of autism that it opened

says after being dragged to hell in an unceremonious death at the end of doom 1 he picked himself up and fought his way back to earth *from* the afterlife

i think the key here is that he teleported to hell before being killed meaning he never actually died irl in the first place, he literally walked straight into hell, died, and was revived as if he was from there in the first place

doom 1 itself makes the case doomguy is definitely not a normal guy to be doing what he's doing, he is not just a dude with a gun

The implication, between everyone else being dead, and all the other marines being the same as him or zombified as they litter the halls, is that it's basically him being the player character that makes him special, as only you would have the skill to guide him through the slaughter to the other side. We could get into eating up tons of health kits and berserk packs like a drug addiction, absorbing those soul/megaspheres and the likely (and now canon) insanity induced by fighting the hordes of hell, but whatever the case he certainly started ordinary. But the series can't call it luck, because that's Master Chief's thing.

Friend argues Doom-guy can take on anything

Look at gameplay

Can take damage and die from jobbers

Is just a mildly enhanced guy with weapons

I don't get it. This guy would lose to Jesus.

in an unceremonious death at the end of doom 1

The ending was meant to be teaser for what to come. The ending message never said you die.
Even in the game itself, the ending section has a special trigger where your HP is incapable of draining below 1%.

muh heckin le kill le pupperino now he's real madderino

Fucking reddit lmao

it's not ambiguous in the slightest what happened when you were sent into a death-room and then got a message saying you were sent to hell

Mobius 1 in Ace Combat 4 works for the same reason. He's just a regular bloke who gains reputation throughout the game thanks to the player's skills rather than some magic fuckery.

in english, doc

Bro my cousin can run 57 mph no problem.

he cares about doom lore

Nigga just shoot and kill things

adding onto this

Once you beat the big badasses and clean out the moon base you're supposed to win, aren't you? Aren't you? Where's your fat reward and ticket home? What the hell is this? It's not supposed to end this way!

It stinks like rotten meat, but looks like the lost Deimos base. Looks like you're stuck on the shores of Hell. The only way out is through.

To continue the DOOM experience, play The Shores of Hell and its amazing sequel, Inferno!

The ending message is about him having to kill two more chapters worth of demons, not dying.

I can't help but wonder if this is somehow esg related, they had to change the name of the easiest difficulty for that reason, shoving a story with some rando super powered woman into the game seems to be in the same wheelhouse.

DOOMGuy was basically Ash from Evil Dead, one man with a boomstick and a nasty mean streak taking on the undead horde that he cant possibly beat
yet he does. thats all you ever need

Normies can only enjoy media through references because it makes them feel like they are "in the know".
"They kill my dog and now I'm actually mad" from John Wick got overdone like a month after the movie came out and that movie came more than 10 years ago.

I wonder why you'd be on the shores of Hell after being stuck in a room full of high-level demons.

Didn't people here eat this shit up when nuDoom released though? It's only recently that people are starting to miss marine guy.

Missing the original marine is a kneejerk response to the whole "Doom Slayer" thing even after Eternal made it unambiguous he IS the original marine after a process that turned him into a fistfighting maniac, which notably took place AFTER his own homeworld's demon invasion that he cleared out

Because the chapter 1 is a shareware.
The ending is a metaphor for IT'S NOT OVER YET to incentive people to pay up.

This seems like a rejection of the premise rather than what's written by the text.

Less is more btw

There's gotta a middle ground between DUDE HE'S SO BADASS RIP AND TEAR and DUDE HE'S JUST CRAZY LMAO but I don't think they'd be able to find it.

Ranger in Quake Champignons

I think Doom 2016 was the right mix desu. Doom Guy has a legendary aura around him that verges on supernatural, but the plot is more or less 'grounded':

Earth needs a new source of energy

Okay, let's just tap Hell LOL

We're gonna hire the most brilliant sociopaths to do it

We took a calculated risk

But man were we bad at math...

Hayden being an alien ayylmao will always make me mad. I love the idea that the only way they could stop you is by dropping a fucking mountain on your head.

like with anything that goes too far, it was kind of cringe but tolerable in Doom 2016, which was accompanied at least by a bunch of classic re-releases and ports of stuff like Doom 64. The back to back divisive shitshows like Eternal and Dark Ages have everyone slamming the go back key as hard as possible.

should have been about Doom Guy running around trying to get to and kill some particularly bad demon, with the levels containing evidence of ever greater destabilization of the occupation of earth's solar system by the demons, with the final level being set in a full scale invasion of hell by humanity inspired by the Doom Guy's exploits but without his direct involvement or cooperation. Could even serve as a diegetic basis for multiplayer, could even kill off the Doom Guy at the end of the game only for it to not matter because there are thousands of Doom Guys who all want to slaughter every demon. It was right there in the title theme! The Only Thing They Fear Is (YOU)

That is SO antisemitic lmao

spacebattles and its consequences have been a disaster for fanbases

We took a calculated risk...

...but our DEI faggotry made us hire a woman.

The plot of DOOM 2016 is hilarious when you realize it's all only happening because of one bitch having the world's worst woman moment since Eve ate the apple.

Why is Doom 2016 the only one with a cool credits sequence that actually looks like the result of a few devs having fun while Eternal and Dark Ages just have boring text scrolls?

chuck norris reference

in 2025

It's a situation where it was novel at the time. Because lets be honest, it was 2016; sci-fi shooters that weren't Borderlands were becoming Call of Duty and Titanfall, interesting protagonists fell to the wayside for chosen ones, soldier max soldier to the extreme most important persons, or dudes that swore a fuck ton because fuck everything around them. Everything was rambling, everything was weapon limits, and regenerating shields, and etc etc. Doom 2016 basically accomplished the exact sort of hub-bub that Bulletstorm's "fuck CoD" advertising wished it could do, without the protagonist ever saying a single word to characterize him. Everyone was chomping at the bit.

Then as with the rest of everything in Eternal and Dark Ages, Hugo Martin and Id just sort of latched onto public interests and considerations and shoveled it down our throats in excess.

probably because it had 9 years of development

eternal was definitely not a divisive shitshow, mick gordon was more controversy than zoom eternal "doubling down" on the doomguy being important

2016 Hayden to Eternal Hayden is the strangest plot fumble I can think of in recent years, it's like they skipped a game or something. How did the antagonist they teased in the last scene of the previous game turn into a fucking glorified keycard in the next

that's an insanely wrong and 2025 culture war tinged read of doom '16's plot but for the purposes of the thread i will say kek and post a frog in response

It takes 9 years to pose a bunch of models within in-game environments?

It's even worse when you look at the codex shit, and he basically flip-turns in a single script.

we NEED argent energy, doom slayer, and i'm sending you away because you're too dangerous to these efforts

oh no argent energy is actually evil and made of people, HUMANITY UH, I GOT THIS REPLACEMENT ENERGY, IT'S FINE, EVERYBODY CALM DOWN

And then the shitty handling of trying to be "ambiguous" about him awakening to his Samur identity, when they're clearly two differently written characters and Hayden pre-DLC doesn't even act like he does mid-DLC is all over the fucking place. Eternal feels like it got a huge rewrite and nothing came together but a baseline draft.

DoomGuy is a Catholic that was blessed by God

Do you derive pleasure from acting retarded?

eternal was absolutely divisive you newfag. Everyone was pissed at the gameplay and the tastes of capeshit beginning to appear as the game gained more story elements over 2016. but then you had hoards of retards going

BUT ITS SO GOOD THOUGH??? MY PARRYSLOP IS THE BEST

HE'S SO COOL

SHUT UP

you just dont know how to have fun chud!

following up on hayden being inhuman but not knowing where to go with it imo
they were probably going to go with him being a demon in disguise or a more literal relation to lucifer/satan given his name "s. hayden" but made him a literal angel instead and also didn't know what to do with that plot thread

It's the slippery slope, the flanderization of the trope

it's like they skipped a game or something. How did the antagonist they teased in the last scene of the previous game turn into a fucking glorified keycard in the next

probably the same reasoning that led to doomguy being teleported away at the end of 2016, but then returning with a giant unexplained space castle in eternal's opening

modern devs fail to understand that characters like Doomguy, Samus, Garrett etc are cool because they're relatively normal blank slates that become powerful due to the player's mastery

nu-doom isnt about getting good and really developing hand eye coordination because its not for keyboard and mouse players. its about following rules and pressing x to win

n-no its wrong

It isn't and you're an npc if you think otherwise, as usual frogposters are the worst posters in every thread

No. Now answer the question, for my "retarded" sake.

You could tell people they remade pic related and show them the webm LMAO.

Yeah, I was never a fan of MOBA gameplay where you're forced to press the Baja Blast and chainsaw keys once in a while.

I hate death battle power scaling faggots so much. Goku will never beat superman BTW

no argument

Consneed accepted.

Please tell me how naruto is as good as lord of the rings

The setting descriptions play a more direct role in the story affecting the protagonist rather than passively influencing the world in a macro historical sense, the characters are explored more instead of fitted into linear roles to progress the story (although I imagine this is mostly due to the difference in media between serial/episodic and novel formats)
You can (rightfully) deride Naruto for being anime but you can't deny the cultural impact it's had, not just in japan but in places all over like China and the west. There are qualities that make it deserve such an impact. Naruto achieves more vivid and gripping characters by making them more expressive (moe) and integrating more engaging elements to their character by allocating balanced pacing/low tension moments with more focus on character dynamics and exploration rather than to prepare for the next ordeal/worldbuilding as LOTR does, and even then the slow paced moments in LOTR aren't really slow paced due to the overarching threat and tension. The relationships and character interactions are less stiff/perfunctory in Naruto due to the lack of such tension. Characters interact naturally in their daily life rather than interacting from behind the social wall of being on a grand quest or mission. Oh, sure, their lives are at stake, and tension rises quite high at such points but it's not treated with the same gravitas as the undertaking the main party engages in during the events of LOTR at all and things quickly return to a slower pace after the even is resolved.
'Good' is a nebulous term but if we frame it in regards to how compelling to the audience something is Naruto naturally has several advantages. The quality of writing should be determined based on how well it manages to entertain the audience and utilizes story elements, not how well-researched or informed it is in regards to other things.
Shippuden is shit though so whatever.

Everyone was pissed at the gameplay

lmfao no that's not how it went

PARRYSLOP

silence, pirat_nation follower

Goku will never beat superman BTW

Vegeta shits on Superman

nigger i don't even hate anime, or even naruto, but lord of the rings basically created japanese "western fantasy" because all of the things they are derived from are derived from LOTR. it has at least as big of, if not more of a global impact.
nta i just think that was a semi-shit take is all.

n-no u

it is how it went, suck my balls

literal who e-celeb

buy an ad

hmm... white man has been here. speaks in memes

I miss old Naruto. I get that it had wizardry shit but I don't understand why japs need to go for insane power creeps. I guess sales drop but a setting such as Naruto could've easily expanded their powers horizontally instead of vertically.

'Good' is a nebulous term but if we frame it in regards to how compelling to the audience something is Naruto naturally has several advantages

S-tier bait

Holy shit.

Doomguy was very basic and to the point. Yes smirk after grabbing a new gun effortlessly portrayed how bloodthirsty he was to make those monster who killed all the humans pay.
Prior to the game, the manual mentions that he shot one of his superiors for trying to get civilians killed, so you know that he also has a sense of justice and can't stand those who abuse their power.
You also see him get desperate and shocked when he takes too much damage so he also feels vulnerable to humanize him a bit.
That's why people loved him. He was a mortal with some cruelty in him towards evil but also a bit of a sense of justice. Simple but effective for a game in which you're going to be destroying hordes of creatures that are 200% evil.

So, what, season 1 only?

Probably.

His whole battalion could considering that co-op was canon.

niggas really want doomguy to be realistic and "grounded" for some reason and it's just not happening, you already have to swallow with doom 1 that he fought for days on end across planets and dimensions

It all went to complete shit as soon they tried subverting clearly defined good vs evil and angels vs demons.
Going oh God turned evil because he was overthrown by lucifer, side with lucifer.
They just can't help themselves.

Again, the co-op was canon in Doom 1, so not only could Doom Guy do that, but the entire space marine strike team was equally capable.

There are literal parallels in 40k about them and the (((Who Could It Be Now?)))s

Nigger did I ever say that Naruto was better than LOTR regarding cultural significance? The cultural impact comment was to highlight that it's not complete slop due to its original sin of being anime as the comment I was replying to had asserted, and that it has qualities as a literary work of art that allow it to deserve such merit and significance in the first place.
He was comparing Naruto to LOTR and basically saying that it wasn't on the same level of quality as good as LOTR, and I mentioned cultural impact to say that, yes, it is comparable in some measure, before talking about the specifics of the writing structure that can allow it to be compared to its quality in the first place.
Also, I don't deny its influence regarding Elves and Dwarves, but there are many things not derived from LOTR in japwesfan (slimes and other elements from DQ, and I think Northern Dukes were originally a chinese fantasy trope derived from somewhere else?) and to say it owes its entirety to it is simply wrong.
People are just retarded, writing nonslop is hard, DBZ fights whip up endorphins.
(You) give me a salient standard of writing quality encompassing all aspects of storytelling before comparing Naruto and LOTR.

and that's why i'm shitting on everyone that thinks doomguy is a realistic hero in any way

Troon;gate

Leave

Hugo is a fat Latinx while Slaya looks Roman so I don't see the resemblance.

I despise nu-Doom for many reasons.
Graphical style, gameplay, story focus, Doomguy as some super hero legendary badass rip and tearrrr xD, no modding, music, level style, and general culture surrounding the whole series now.

I disagree, as that's perfectly realistic if all of the soldiers were on methamphetamine.

Graphical style, gameplay, story focus, Doomguy as some super hero legendary badass rip and tearrrr xD, no modding, music, level style, and general culture surrounding the whole series now.

It is exactly the opposite of the originals now, the absolute inverted parallel

Dang

They said this about DOOM 3 too, which is ironically enough about as far from nudoom as you can get too. Something about this series inspires people to bastardize it

I find the only practical difference between Doomguy circa 2 and "The Doom Slayer" is that he has a title for the latter.

The difference of Doom and nu-Doom is that Doom is cool, while nu-Doom is "badass". It's the strange kind of 80s chasing but multi-million corpo telling us why something is badass. They lean into it constantly, but tries to be both ironic and genuine at the same time. Like an edgy zoomer. If they went 100% ironic/satire and said "Yeah, this is silly but lets do it anyway" I could at least respect that. But you can't really say "Doom is making fun of games with story focus duh don't you get it xD" but at the same time constantly focusing on some ancient lore about Doom SLAYAH being some badass and this is so cool guys. Jesus Christ I remembered the fucking Doom SLAYAH "Rip and Tear" voiceline from Eternal. I have never felt as much second hand embarrassment in my life over vidya VA.

Honestly they should've gone with something as silly as nippon anime/LN overpowered MC trope where nobody even knows who Doomguy even is. Would been much more fun if they want to have story and NPCs to react to Doomguy run at Usain Bolt speed and slaughter everything.

">oh no a strong woman, I am going insaaaaane"

Honestly they should've gone with something as silly as nippon anime/LN overpowered MC trope where nobody even knows who Doomguy even is. > > > > Would been much more fun if they want to have story and NPCs to react to Doomguy run at Usain Bolt speed and slaughter everything.
That's literally 2016 and eternal

IN HIS BA-

Quake > Doom

You don't wanna know

Samus has been talking since 1994 zoomer and had a backstory since that year as well. That's like arguing about the Master Chief not having a character when it existed since some 2001 bookshit.

i haven't played Quake but the i did play the original Doom. The new doomslayer is closer to the Quake? i think they were trying to actually make a Quake game and suddenly changed the game to Doom.

I actually like the limited lives on pandemonium, really makes you worry about dying despite the game being easy

I like Naruto but Lord of the Rings is just superior. This gap widens even more when you include Tolkien's extra work in the world.

This thread again.

you are such a bore OP

aw shut up with this shitty ideas...

People are starting to want simpler protagonists again.

Lord of the Rings is just superior.

Okay, explain which standards you're basing this superiority off of

Well in terms of world building, and theming Lord of the Rings is just much stronger. While Naruto had stronger characters than it, a large portion ended up being sidelined over the course of the story. Also, do not get me started on how Kishimoto shat on a lot of the series themes and ideas near the end.
They're both pretty good though.

Oh I see it, they are both male!
Good catch, you fucking ape

i liked eternal and wanted more of it
i need my adhd crack
only doom destiny cod and shit like turbo overkill does it lol

The funny thing is I'm playing the game again and I didn't like it before, and I still get why people love it even if it can overwhelm me. Several years of hindsight really helps formulate a new opinion on approach even if I'm stumbling like a dumbass.

people don't dislike it because it's "overwhelming"
they dislike it because it forces you into a boring playstyle

even the speedrunner that invented the playstyle they are trying to force people into disowned eternal because it destroyed player agency by forcing you to play one specific way

Doom 16 went out of its way to have as little story as possible

By Dark Ages they're doubling down on fucking doom '''lore''', adding a bunch of pointless side characters, and shoving cutscenes down your throat

It's incredible how in the span of just three games they went from a successful revival of the franchise to already making a mockery of themselves

doom 2016

slayer is the player that just wants to shoot things, too hit this home he breaks the intro monitor explaining the plot since the player, just like the slayer, wants to shoot shit

Eternal repeats this idea

Dark ages: Our players care about the story so it will take more of a focus

What

I liked the theory/old lore that the robed guy in that one picture was (You).

doom 2016

he breaks the intro monitor explaining the plot since the player, just like the slayer, wants to shoot shit

then locks you in an empty room forcing you to listen to a boring monologue

yeah this was not the point of that scene

HES SO COOL AND CANNOT HE HARMED AT ALL EVER AND ALSO HES MY DAD

im gonna need a doomguy the hedgehog edit asap

I only half agree with that. I kinda see it as two playstyles, really.

Trap: you've seen the tutorials, you follow the instructions, you see the enemy types and their weaknesses / weak points, and you basically play as Hugo wants you to, constantly swapping to effective weapons per enemy and chainsawing, weapon-swapping a Marauder down and that's it.

Act: you've realized most of the arsenal has a lot of cross-pollination if you experiment a bit, like the shotgun full-auto at max upgrades being real fucking fun as a weedwhacker or the advantages of microwave beam stuns, and suddenly you're zipping across the arena using everything more like a DMC game, where you're making more of a show of it and still being surprisingly efficient compared to how hard the Trap style strings you along.

The biggest problem Eternal always had was trying to be ass tight about ammo limits, which combined with the sheer amount of handholding by loltelling you how to handle every single enemy type (????) makes people keep falling into the Trap, which makes it kind of a fucking miserable game. Knowing how to make use of the whole arsenal regardless of most enemy types even despite the ammo limit, sometimes even ignoring weak points altogether, can lead to a very interesting experience by comparison.

The problem is by TAG Hugo and the team got so fucking bitchy about people not liking their game's default handholding that they tripled down on Trap. And with Dark Ages, they basically backed away entirely to make an entire game around another "play our way" philosophy, but this time without any real wiggle room for the Act players.

I like the Doomguy. He is very cool.

world building

Ehh. Debatable. It's more fleshed out, yes, but I wouldn't necessarily call that a good thing. There's beauty and merit in ambiguity, yūgen. LOTR's setting is intriguing and full of many facets, very studied and rooted in culture but at the same time Naruto's setting galvanized chinks alone to ape out hundreds of millions of words in fanfiction.

theming

True. Naruto's themes were more episodic and often clashed with eachother, with a unifying or overarching one missing or being extremely vague. It tries to espouse the virtues of hard work several times but they all fall flat in the face of Naruto's gifted circumstances.

While Naruto had stronger characters than it

Characters are like half of the reason to read anything IMO so just saying that it wins in this regard is enough to blur the line between the two on the hierarchy. Food analogies are gay but it's like saying that one dish tastes better but the other one is superior due to having more refined preparation and a harder recipe. Though, characters are hard to write.

a large portion ended up being sidelined over the course of the story.

I wouldn't necessarily say that this is a bad thing (ignoring filler). If they get out of the spotlight then it usually just means that their time in it is over. There's nothing wrong with a character exiting the stage after their role is finished. The chunin exams arc was well-received because it gave different characters a chance to shine and go through their own character arcs. If they leave afterwards or are less prominent, it's not necessarily bad writing, as their catharsis has already been written.

Also, do not get me started on how Kishimoto shat on a lot of the series themes and ideas near the end.

Shippuden doesn't exist. It is simply not real.

He's only a supersoldier at best, not a goddamn superhero

And before someone says that TDA lets you use any weapons you want, how's that restrictive, think about this: when are you not using the contextual shield button in a fight? The guns are basically damage supplements while the shield and melee handle an excess of the grunt work, you've literally got most of the weapons turned into boring filler damage alongside the parry spam being the entire core emphasis of the whole system. It's actually kind of silly how much they "took" from bullet hell philosophy because so many fights do specific spawn pattern shit designed around killing groups in specific ways efficiently the same general way every time before the next group spawns to overwhelm you.

Ehh. Debatable.

Imo my problem with Naruto's world building is that Shippuden just ruined it. It went from a series of ninja societies stuck in a cold war with nuke analogues, with several world wars in the past, to literally all being tied back to the Uchihas and the Leaf Village who're then were established as the strongest of the strong and literally built the current system. It started off intriguing but the more Kishimoto delved into it, the worse it got and the more crunched down the setting became.
Or once again getting back to themes, how suddenly the strongest hokages were the first which ruined the idea that each generation of ninja were getting more powerful.
Like yeah I would definitely say pre Shippuden Naruto had the best world building of any Shonen jump comic. But post Shippuden really killed the goose.

Characters are like half of the reason to read anything IMO

There's a distinction made between plot focused stories and character focused narratives. Both approaches are fine, Naruto's approach was better for it's medium.

If they get out of the spotlight then it usually just means that their time in it is over. There's nothing wrong with a character exiting the stage after their role is finished.

I do agree with this but Kishimoto couldn't let go a lot of them. So it was just weird seeing greatly unimportant characters be given the spotlight and really achieve nothing when they've been missing for all of Shippuden. Thinking Neji, Might Guy, etc.

Do not insult corporate product that inserts writer's terribly written OC do not steel in an established franchise that is not created by them

They're the only canon that matter.

I hate how the majority of NuDoom fags are literally like this

somehow HDest is more of a power fantasy to me than Eternal

Giving mangas passes for being episodic and long running is intentional retardation
Just clogging your ears and eyes when the work turns to shit is facetious
Naruto might have been comparable to renowned works in the beginning with concept and message being more or less visible and clear, but it's called naruto and not first few episoded/chapters of naruto, because everything counts. It is one of the main reasons of inferiority of this media in general, comics are even worse, because the amount of reboots and spin offs wash everything together by design.
I wouldn't say I think everything made by jap = shit
They occasionaly create something that is not derivative and distinctively japanese at that, or simply a good thing overall, but it seems to be extremely rare, reasonably, knowing it's just one country, but absolutely incomparable to the popularity it has. But it absolutely has to do with the intentional destruction of western art we experience
tldr jews

It's pretty wild how they went from what was essentially a master class in writing a silent protagonist to just completely shitting themselves and crashing the bus in eternal.

2016

doomguy is just a normal guy who's too angry to die. May or may not have accrued some minor supernatural abilities from soaking in hell energy from so long

doomguy having to listen to Hayden try to used car salesman babble at him about they had no choice but to use hell juice

doomguy looks at a mangled corpse right when Hayden says the losses were "worth the cost" and smashes the screen in response

doomguy looking at the last connector thing he has to break to close the hell portal. Hayden tells him if he fucks this thing up it'll be the end of argent energy. Doomguy cracks his knuckles before smashing his fist through the last thinger

eternal

hayden gets retconned into being an angel, because having him be a representation for human pride, greed, and ego wasn't gay and retarded.

also there's angels now and they're evil because we have to do the hecking subversion

doomguy isn't just a normal man who swore an oath to kill every single demon personally in an insane rage for killing his rabbit (relatable), now he's the chosen one of some order of space knight dorks

doomguy breaks his stoic silence to mumble rip and tear like a retard

This is extremely frustrating for me because I think eternal is better gameplay wise, but it's bogged down by writing that can only be the work of active sabotage. It's almost like borderlands, where you have to play with the dialogue muted to stomach it.

Same problem applies to half-life 2 compared to half-life. In the first game the marines grow more and more personal toward freeman because of the player's action and not some off-screen bullshit, giving the satisfaction of being a badass to the player. Yet in HL2 they immediately suck your cock even if they shouldn't know of your action in HL1. Like seriously, how did the rebels and scientist know about Gordon's action in black mesa? Both kleiner and vance stayed in anomalous material lab, there shouldn't be no way they knew that Gordon managed to kills a whole marine's division and alien troop. The other rebels shouldn't know what he did either since black mesa incident was kept secret and no civilian know what caused the portal storm.

Why is this read in manga order

The better course would just be adopting Karmack quote and try to ignore the plot
If we get some kind of vidya renaissance in a few decades we would look back at this game and have a laugh at how cringe it was, I hope

I stopped playing the DLC after that scene. It just so embarrassing. It looks like it belongs in a quake game.

the funny thing is the worst of the writing is all the optional shit really. if you're hearing the scientist orgasm over DOOM or the ARC broadcasts about slayer heroism, you're going out of your way for it. the actual in-game level to level content is so boring and tame by comparison besides the repeated "IT'S THEIR TIME TO GIVE PENANCE" from three separate fucking characters in a row within a half hour, and Hayden and Vega being the devil and angel on your shoulders in the latter half is pretty amusing even if it retcons the shit out of itself so much.

i think when we're doing sci-fi murder antics and shit it's actually mostly alright, although yes the characters are getting too indulgent over doomguy being the deadliest thing in existence. it's when we hit the maykrs, hell priests, seraphim, the father and davoth, when everyone goes into this fantasy lecture bullshit like we're suddenly trying to make Lord of the Rings fused with Warhammer 40K that the writing pisses and shits all over the floor everywhere in the most boring dribble put to paper for a triple-A shooter.

Same way it actually feels and look badass. Just look at the logs in doom eternal, they don't even try. Then there's the flying monkey bar in some level with no justification on why it should be there

what do you expect when modern game devs, the least cool people ever, try to make something cool?
it will be marvel slop since that's what these dweebs find cool.

2016 doomguy is just a normal guy who's too angry to die

This is the biggest lie DOOMers tell themselves.
Demons have magical stone tablets all about Doomguy, and Doomguy was so strong that he had to be tricked and sealed away in a magical coffin.

They wanted too damn hard to be Dragon Ball, which was a colossal success. They never got able to do it however. And many other shows also tried to be Dragon Ball and perished. It's pathetic!

don't forget the great communicator!

You can be the most hated or terrifying person on Earth and still be a relatively normal person.
Just look at politicians.

IIRC the lore explanation is that the vorts told Gordon's story. The stupid part is why do the people of that world praise Gordon when he technically did nothing useful.

Guy disappears into Xen

World gets assfucked in his absence

Guy comes back 20 years later

OUR HERO!

It'd be like escaping nazi germany before the war broke out and being remembered as a hero for it. Even the vorts wouldn't have much reason to like him. They didn't regain their freedom, there was just another leash on their necks.

Nah, he'll just drown it out with more CONSUMPTION

the games has to go somewhere though, everyone wants the perfect rendition of their childhood game to exist in their mind forever but a real game had to be made

Doomguy was so strong that he had to be tricked and sealed away in a magical coffin.

I would have used the explanation that he doesn't die when he's killed and other humans can actively summon him since he's consumed so many megaspheres over the years so the only way to truly stop him is to shove him in a special little prison cut off from the outside world

Already happened in 2 with the vorts gassing you up. To be fair gordon earned the rep.

it's the same reason why Gordon's "character" in HL1 is more compelling than in 2. In 1 you're nobody then through the gameplay and player's actions he becomes somebody and has his "arc."

In HL2 you spawn in and everyone thinks you're jesus. The only characters who aren't intolerable are the ones who aren't sucking you off and its limited to like sewer guy #3, breen, and maybe alyx in the episodes?

the game's plot had to progress yes, but the way in which they handled it and the player's character was really botched and boofed

The SLAYAH looks more like a relative of Alpacino than pancho

When I was a kid I misunderstood Doomguy's backstory and thought he was a human who died some thousands of years ago and went to hell and has been tortured there ever since, but then when the scientists opened the portals to hell and let demons out, they also let Doomguy out somehow, and now that he is free he decides to take revenge on the demons who tortured him in hell.

What is this PS2 graphics bullshit? This can't be the latest Doom game can it?

in nu-Doom you're told that you're cool just for existing

Nu-Doom Guy is basically a hot woman

nu-doom done him dirty he can also quick save and quick load, also chant iddqd to enter god mode

the cuck of war arc of getting depowered is coming after this

2016 was the best way to continue the series narratively; what Doomguy was doing between now and then is kept vague and up to the players' imaginations, and all the shit on him now he scrounged to be a better demon-killer.

Mobius 1 is fun because even when he's brought back in later games (AC5's arcade mode, AC7's VR missions), there's still zilch known about him other than "he's a really, really fucking good pilot" and "the mere thought of Mobius's F-22 showing up in the air is pants-shittingly horrifying enough for Erusea to stay completely away from his home base of North Point even when murderhoboing it up like usual on the rest of the island."

there's no regimen, you need to pass selection and survive the gene seed/organ implantations

thats a better backstory than 2016 riping off badly evil dead 3

What are your guys’ favorite wads? Don’t tell me to go to Anon Babble they’re boring.

i doubt it they re gonna repeat doom guy having a stroke cause he kill the guy that resurrect him with a blood pact that is the icon of sin in the DLC then coffin his comatose ass

wad wads or pk3 wads?

Don't forget the drugs. He was on a lot of those.

Fuck off. Doom guy was never cool. If people think he is cool it's only zoomer shit born from the retarded rip and tear memes and the franchise sucking its own dick harder every time (and look where that got you

I blame DnD and tieflings for this.

They did that in HL2, but the whole point is that you in fact aren't the messiah, but everyone is deluded into thinking you are because they don't know the gman is the real force behind the scenes.

.pk7 is another archive method

The messiah stuff in hl2 was meant to be a bait and switch. All the stuff Gordon did was either him getting lucky or the direct result of the Gman's meddling. Everyone just thinks you're the messiah because of wishful thinking and them not knowing the truth. The ending of episode 3 would've drove home the fact that the resistance really over estimated your and their importance while also showing you just how unstoppable the combine really are.

same thing happened to wolfenstein, though that game already had signs of turning into shit even in the first one

He went from being Doomguy to Doomslayer. It feels like opposite of DMC where gassing up the character makes it feel worse.

only japs can write silent stoic badasses. western writers can too at first but once fans took liking to them they will ruin it by giving extensive lore. boba fett is a prime example of this

both are cool and no amount of neck beards seething is going to change that

No it isn't.
Doom SLAYAH is the epic god being demon SLAYAH and he is so badass and cool and my dad and even angels hate him and see OP.
Rip and tear amirite?

Reminds me of Halo how the og MC was just a metal suit you moved to get you immersed in the gameworld, then 343i took over and made up some "elaborate" story how MC is his own character and shit.

doomguy looks at a mangled corpse right when Hayden says the losses were "worth the cost" and smashes the screen in response

It was Marty who came up with that. They can't do it now because doomfags would shit themselves over Marty's involvement even though they were jerking him off moments ago. The doom fanbase is a schizoid nightmare.

They should just retcon Shiturinal and Dork Ages

literacy level literally below a 1st grader

You love to see it.

They should have added more medieval era weapons since thats supposed to be the setting. You don't even get a real melee weapon in a game where you have a shield.

since the other anon brought it to attention, it just reminds me of how retarded the Super Shotgun in Eternal looked

2016: pretty stock standard design, no hammers but whatever, rule of cool and it looks sleek as fuck

Eternal: lets add random Maykr notches everywhere, accented metal sticking out to look "cool" for skin cosmetics, the Slayer sigil because it's his signature gun (how did it even get out here on the Cultist Base after apparently having been modified off-screen??), and then slap a big fucking meathook on it

and then you get THIS fucking shit

all those characters we never know existed

from places we dont learn about

That DLC was so fucking bad, its like we skipped 2 games and went back to an ending of the last one.

You get the SS in the cultist base because demons have fanboy cult for the Slayer and the revenant giving it is part of it.

Slayer in 2016 was perfectly fine as his own entity, an alternative version of the character.
I loathe the "everything is connected" bullshit they did with Eternal.

He was so much cooler when (headcanon)

what's headcanon about the first half

Fuck nu-id for not making a Quake 3 skin for Eternal. They can cover every other id property, but not the best rendition of his armor.

The tutorial level has a good demonstration of what Keeper stealth is actually like. That hallway where you have to move through a pattern of shadows on the floor? The guard can't see you even though you'd be very visible against the light behind you. Garrett has no silhouette.

2016 makes it pretty obvious that it's the same guy as the originals. The name Doom Slayer is just because it'd be silly to have the demons say >THE DOOM GUY
The problem with how they treat him in Eternal is just how much they bend over backwards to worship the ground he walks on.

nu doom is reddit

simpler is better

The character wank in Eternal is in reverence to the guy(player) who beat Hell a half dozen times prior. And it's not exactly unearned when you play Eternal, because you're also doing stuff that would(in universe) warrant that dick-sucking.

I get that but it's too much. Doomguy has earned his reputation, both in-universe and being an icon in real life which also extends to the player, but even Mario games are willing to have characters who don't even recognize the guy, let alone care who he is. Eternal just went too far to the point of feeling patronizing.

when was it ever implied that Classic Doomguy was always very angry

nigga are you new?

Guess what fag he can't jump or look up or down either

I cant believe how fucking reddit and capeshit DOOM became

I wonder how Romero feels about the new one. IIRC he liked 2016. Not sure about Eternal.

DOOM intro

simple "sigil of slayer" on the screen and le rip and tear quote (whatever)

wake up start killing demons right away, quick hologram on how they found your body (ambigious) and your armor

voice just giving info that hell hit the fan and whole station is full of demons

amount of time before you can move is 40 seconds

Doom Eternal intro cutscene

human voices and earth is all fucked

Doom Slayer™ is in his Doom Space Station™ orbiting the Earth and watching over

HELP US!!!!

epic music, glowing portal and cocking the shotgun

title drop with guitar riffs

overall not bad, but why is he on random space fortress

2:43

Doom Dark Ages intro cutscene

30 seconds of some random quote from lore book

the bird view shot and title card of some random place

random "we are bad guys" dialogue between some random ass demons (they are villains), one is //mysterious// female demon literally on the hill watching over the location

another dialogue between some random npc knight and guy with bare chest

another shot of location with title card

some random woman in generic sci fi room saying stuff

ANOTHER shot of location with ANOTHER title card

the aliens "we are bad guys" dialogue and one of them some important fat guy

reveal of MAIN CHARACTER Doom Slayer is on third minute of the opening cutscene

5:02

5:02

If you don't see something wrong with these you need to see original doom

The only real critique I remember about 2016 doom is that doomguy looked too much like master chief with sci fi armor and that colour palette was too boring, also story was not very engaging, but it's doom
Everything else was praised and genuinely good, graphics and optimization(it was really good), gameplay was fun and glory kills were disliked by small minority (definitely overtuned in eternal), and music everybody adored

two words: millenial writing
dudes grew up on marvel an anime, now everyone has to have a 400 page backstory explaining his tragic rise to power

This one post is probably the reason why nuDoom feels the need to hype up doomguy so much.

Nah I'd win

sneak preview of one of the newer Star Wars movies even.

Sounds like a punishment to me lol

guts

guts + berserker armor

>doomguy looks at a mangled corpse right when Hayden says the losses were "worth the cost" and smashes the screen in response

>doomguy looking at the last connector thing he has to break to close the hell portal. Hayden tells him if he fucks this thing up it'll be the end of argent energy. Doomguy cracks his knuckles before smashing his fist through the last thinger

doomguy proceeds to stand around in Hayden's and office and listen to his monologue without action

Gears of war 1 graphics (which also requires a pc bought yesterday for some reasons)

Stronk independent black woman who needs no man around her

Full of nogs

Every armor and gun looks like some super sentai reject or paintball equip

Classic modern slop recipe.

Even though I think 2016 is the best overall package of the three, I think a lot about what made it work was purely accidental rather than planned. The game must've gone through a lot of revisions and they lucked out with what's a mostly winning combo but then there's moments like that which really feel like they clash with everything else.

Meanwhile Doom 2016 still looks good to this day while being able to run on much much weaker hardware.
youtu.be/-oKdIbexbPw

you can try to shoot him but he has a shield and he chastises you for it, which is kind of weak but it's still there

they killed his pet bunny wabbit

AHHH REDDITOR ANGRY!!!!!

classic doomguy was a homo too