obvious ai art in a vidya game
Anon Babble will tell you that you're a coping wagie artist that you cannot tell the difference between real art and ai art
Obvious ai art in a vidya game
The only reason you can tell it's AI art is because it's the kind of style cheap and free AI models put out.
Cyberpunk esque, anime girls with blue, green and pink glow in a night scene.
And depending on the setting, that isn't a problem. AI posters are real, they're being brought, sold and hung onto walls daily.
AI "art" isn't inherently bad, but it is a flag that says
I don't care about the product I'm producing
I cut corners
I settled for mediocrity
It speaks more about the product as a whole, rather than the art itself
I settled for mediocrity
Yeah hiring some loser from Tumblr is so much better.
Thats more effort than prompting, even if the result is worse. Hiring a bad artist is a different subject however.
it really depends on what model you use
could hire a Japanese artist from Skeb instead
And boiling your own salt from sea water is more effort than buying it at the store. Why would I care about the effort put into the product above the quality of the final result? If an artists only argument for you to hire them over using an AI is "I'd put a lot of effort into it!" then they're just done for as a commission artist.
That's why you hire chinks.
You're missing the point.
If you boil your own salt and advertise your restaurant for it, then people will think you put a lot of effort into your work, which then reflects into your product.
It's not the effort itself, but what the effort reflects.
If a carpenter was known for cutting corners, and then built you a house, would you live there?
Asian art is soulless as fuck.
That's precisely why AI does modern Asian art the best, it is algorithmic and has no real humanity behind it. No history or culture, just pure capitalism capitalising on anime.
That's such a terrible equivalency that you're baiting, retarded, or a filthy kike
No, when it comes to an indie dev it doesn't say that at all. What it signals is, "This indie developer is trying to fill out their game as best they can with the resources and tools available to them." Don't give me the, "They can just XYZ." Fuck that, they don't have infinite time, they don't have infinite money, and they don't have detailed knowledge of every single avenue that is theoretically open them. If an indie dev wants to throw up some throwaway posters on a wall to make an environment look a little more "real" and lived in, fine.
AAA developer's don't get that benefit. They have an entire art team who can dedicate 40+ hours a week to making some posters and shit.
I take handmade programmer art over AI art any day.
But thats a personal opinion.
AI art is how big corportations have managed to weaponise artists against the indie scene.
Indie devs get harassed for using an industry standard tool and being open about it, AAA devs use AI but touch it up except they just pretend it's not AI and any backlash isn't enough to effect them.
It's like Amazon killing bookstores. Except they're using amateur artists who think they're defending art to destroy their competition.
It's like Amazon killing bookstores. Except they're using amateur artists who think they're defending art to destroy their competition.
QRD?
Soul is soul and AI inherently has none
random posters in a quite literal dark corner
Who gives a shit?
The people who say that are the same people who can't tell the difference between a painting and an actual person.
Except prompters are not actually "artists", they are prompters.
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It's common knowledge, that "AI" learning from "AI" degenerates as it's working off of n-th time recycled information.
It's no different with humans: media is as shit as it is, because human ceased making their own experiences in life and operate almost exclusively within the paradigms of parasocial surrogacy and outsourced agency.
Thus all media becomes generic slop.
I don't care about indians being able to now spam shitty games on steam instead of being restricted to low effort mobile games.
I like it for texture mapping.
soul
Meaningless buzzword.
don't care, get a real job
learn to code
oh wait
What a pityful understanding of tools. You can integrate "AI" into your worklflow like any other tool -- the issue isn't using "AI" to improve your craft, the issue is relying on "AI" to do craft for you.
It's the difference between having conceived of and already crafted xyz and asking a third-party for feedback/inspiration to finish it, and asking a third-party to do absolutely everything for you -- outsourcing all of your creative agency at once.
If you use "AI" to create art for you, then you aren't an artist, you are buyer/consumer of art.
samefagging this hard to save his shitty bait thread
Grim.
agreed. No different than buying asset packs and putting them in without editing them to make them cohesive to the art direction.
I agree, yet that isn't the case here where someone cut corners to get a product. If the line isn't crossed here, then where will it end?
Yes, I know thats a "slippery slope" "fallacy", yet I've never seen that to be disproven
I agree, yet that isn't the case here where someone cut corners to get a product.
Do these posters define the product? To me it's comparable to an elaborate human-made drawing (i.e. the game itself) coloured-in with "AI". With that said, I don't believe that this instance crosses the line.
Crossing the line would require the entire product to be created by "AI", rather than with "AI". The only thing I genuinely dislike about this and comparable cases is the lack of disclosure. While I don't usually expect an artist to elaborate on the tools he's using, given the scope and ability of this particular tool it should be disclosed how/for what it has been used -- for the artist's as much as the customer's sake.
Do these posters define the product?
Ofcourse not, but it's a small red flag.
My line for AI art is AI backgrounds are fine, the menial work thats not the focus, but thats only for art by itself, not when it appears in a game.
We're on that slippery slope now because people are considering using AI to make entire games, EA had that presentation I think last year, and it looked awful.
Do these posters define the product?
Was it really difficult for the developers to find some cheap artist to make 4 or 5 generic anime posters? Was it really impossible to find some royalty-free anime art?
Instead, I'm hit in the face by these really appalling eyesores. AI "art" always sticks out, in the worst way possible, with how disgusting it is, ruining immersion and leaving you with the impression that someone out there cared more about saving a tiny little bit of extra cash, instead of actually caring about the thing they're making.
It's extra sad that Ready or Not is actually a fantastic game.
this is becoming increasingly more common
based. the world is changing in ways favorable to me and unfavorable to those i hate.
this pretty much summarizes it perfectly for all those in favor of AI. Unskilled and talentless, most likely NEETS or thirdies. Mostly spite and barely any actual constructive reasons. The unfortunate part is that once creatives come around to these tools, (You) will all once again find yourself at the bottom of the totem pole for creativity.
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No.
how does that work
Put texture over model
Texture go brrr
all background art must have sovl! it must be created by artists or the game is bad! so lazy!
The average idiot doesn't value your "sovl", nor do they have a word for it. They can't tell AI art from Van Gogh and they think you're weird for getting upset over it.
If you can cut a budget on your game, you damn well are going to take it out. Games sink or swim by their budgets. If you can make inconsequential art for $0, you do it.
If you can make inconsequential
yet here we are
no but like do you select a bunch of quads and then prompt "white skin, female, 30 years old" or something?
i'm using substance painter and desu it feels like cheating as well since i'm a fucking hack that cant texture for shit
Anon Babble thread rounds down to 0 on the consequence scale
He believes AI art hate exists exclusively in the Anon Babble bubble
Does it really matter if its just some posters on a wall you will look at for all of 2 seconds.
all the drawfag failed artist smut peddlers will be out of a "job"
great, i hate you faggots so much. you're the cancer of Anon Babble. the drawfag thread and all the drawfag shills need to get the fuck out of Anon Babble. this isn't joot era Anon Babble anymore, who gives a fuck about your shitty smut drawings
wahh my audience of wellfare check recipients aren't paying me to draw sonic fucking himself in the ass with semen frosted frozen pieces of shit anymore WAHHHHH i'm a respectable artist!
this isn't joot era Anon Babble anymore
and the site has never been worse
Based small dick chud.
humans will always prefer human made art
reddit threads rounds down to 0 on the consequence scale
the jeet cries out in pain as he strikes you
it's worse because of all the changes joot made such as turning Anon Babble into a glorified booru where failed arists are free to shill their smut and all the tranny shit that brings as well
Based. They're going the way of the luddite. Trampled underfoot and left behind as humanity moves on without them.
He believes AI art hate exists exclusively in the reddit bubble
I mean in the context of the game you're raiding a twitch streamer pedo who is protected by gang members
If anyone was going to print out posters of self-made AI anime art it'd be that guy
And it's not like all the art assets in that level are AI generated either, most of them are made the same way any of the art in other levels are made too
Not a fan of it.
Game is fun.
Fuck the postal service mission though. Getting S rank on that shit is a nightmare.
no one gives a shit if a store boils their own salt so that doesn't work
WAHHH WHY DIDN'T YOU PAY ME A THOUSAND DOLLARS TO FEATURE MY AUTHENTIC DRAWINGS IN YOUR GAME
reminder that michaengelo said painting is the lowest form of art and thus drawing is below that
I always thought giving normalfags widespread internet access was a mistake but it pales compared to the literal shit we unleashed with them.
hates cartoon smut
has the entire internet to pursue his interests
comes to the cartoon smut headquarters
I don't know how you get that retarded, but it's fun to see it out in the wild.
you're the invader newfag cancer, not me. Anon Babble changed, not me. nobody ever liked drawfags on this board until joot forced a cultural change because the tranny pegging him at the time liked drawing probably
i liked drawfags when they were making funny videogame related comics
now its all cumbrain and other undesirable asking for their favourite chracter to get fucked in the ass by some other futa tranny character
that doesn't look like AI
It fits that mission tho. It's a bunch of bitcoin mining nerds with shelves full of shit miku imitations.
Using AI for background assets is a good idea.
when it comes to an indie dev it doesn't say that at all
It does say "I don't give a shit about quality, I'll just use whatever cheap ass resource I can find because retards will defend me for taking half measures"
As long as they're vetted and fixed by a human, lest you want to end up with a disaster like the Dead Rising remaster
newfag cancer
How far back can your brain still recall?
Prior to blue boards, this (and most boards) were a dumping ground for doujin material. It's just that Anon Babble usually had ones somewhat vidya related. This was all smut all the time. Moot's Anon Babble was non stop porn dumps for like a decade.
We're on that slippery slope now because people are considering using AI to make entire games, EA had that presentation I think last year, and it looked awful.
I don't think it's a good idea to compare private users or independant and small studios to the corporate cancer that's EA et al. The slippery slope that's concerned has been created with par/a/social media: in a time in which everyone runs on afromentioned n-th-hand experience and not only is fed minimally viable products, but is slowly becoming the minimally viable product ("turning customer's into fanatics"/engagement-farming), it's invetiable that people lose all sense of moderation (and, again, agency). In this regard "AI" is just an extension of the digital daycare-botfarm.
Was it really difficult for the developers to find some cheap artist to make 4 or 5 generic anime posters?
I don't know and I am very hesitant to assume malice. I don't know the trivia and background of the game, but if there's a tight budget or w/e that forces the choicd of
using AI
not developing/atleast approximating a creative vision
I'd much rather see people opt for AI than quit.
Was it really impossible to find some royalty-free anime art?
So you object to it solely on the basis of it being created with "AI"? Replace "AI" with any other tool, does this stance still yield any "moral highground" without popular connotations? Some decades ago there existed a demographic who'd spite computers -- to what avail? Before that existed demographics who'd spite electricity and so on -- to what avail? I'd say that tools shouldn't be blamed for what/how/by whom they are being used for...
Instead, I'm hit in the face by these really appalling eyesores.
Would you be more lenient if a human had created the same eyesores without "AI"?
(cont.)
for like a decade
okay good on you we've established you're a dishonest piece of shit
AI "art" always sticks out, in the worst way possible, with how disgusting it is, ruining immersion and leaving you with the impression that someone out there cared more about saving a tiny little bit of extra cash, instead of actually caring about the thing they're making.
Would you accept and tolerate it as a means to an end and a placeholder?
It's extra sad that Ready or Not is actually a fantastic game.
So, what's your opinion on good developers starting out using "AI" for first their games, disclosing it and, through success, transitioning to regular tools (or simply reducing the "AI" in the workflows seeinh as, again, it's a great tool if used in moderation)?
You can't tell the difference between good AI art and real art. You only notice the shitty AIslop that sticks out like your picture that was made with like basic ass stable diffusion.
false dichotomy
What's the difference between the comments on that facebook post and any reply to a coombait thread here?
Here people don't have their personal info attached to their posts
A lot of AI use is soul by default because it's YOU making it lol. Like those pictures, the dev was proud of his work, that's why he stuck it in his game, which is very soulful. Reminds me of some TES modders I've seen that would make a house mod that featured paintings they made themselves.
The idea you need to hire an X instead of doing it yourself is something that AI kills.
"erm you can't tell the difference, it's da models"
stfu shitskin npc, i have never been fooled by AI art LOL
Fuck that, they don't have infinite time, they don't have infinite money, and they don't have detailed knowledge of every single avenue that is theoretically open them.
Why should this matter to me, as the end customer? I only care about the finished product, if the finished product is slop then the fact that dev couldn't or wouldn't make it better doesn't make it any less sloppy. That aside, this narrative doesn't hold up to scrutiny, that are plenty of indie devs who give their heart and soul to make their dream game, like the Kenshi guy who solitary worked on his game for something like 7 years or the Bleak Faith guys who made a very competent soulslike with excellent level design with a team of only 2 people (+the composer) so why should I, the final customer, reward the mediocrities who don't want to put the same level of effert into their craft by ignoring the obvious faults of their product?
lol imagine being such a bitch you cry because of AI
kill yourself if you hate AI.
imagine just going on the internet to lie
im sorry that you're a shitskin, even hitler would be disgusted at you faggots
You do the prompt beforehand and see what works over the model
AI "art" isn't inherently bad
it is a flag that says >>I don't care about the product I'm producing
Yes because it looks bad. I fucking wish AI would make good art so I wouldn't have to buy stock or pay some fag on fiver who always busts deadlines, but AI "art" is dogshit.
hitler would be proud of me lying on the internet
you're such a pathetic loser
AI = pretense for global biometric surveillance. Even seemingly innocent uses for AI advance this agenda. All AI shills must be assumed to be AI themselves until proven Indian.
theregister.com
Post good art you've wasted money on that AI couldn't make.
People here don't genuinely believe they can fuck the lines on their screen.
why should I, the final customer, reward the mediocrities who don't want to put the same level of effert into their craft by ignoring the obvious faults of their product?
Well, I'll raise to that:
Why should you antagonize developers for leveraging tools?
If anything you should encourage a reasonable and responsible use (e.g.: disclaimer, with vs by). Would you be upset about a great game created with "AI", if you'd know about it before you buy it?
Why should you assume the debtcattle position and become painfully oblivious about developers being human too?
If given the choics between "working hard" and "working smart", that is spending more or less time (or funds), virtually every sane human will opt for the latter: "working smart" and using powerful tools. If more people get a chance at realizing their ideas and competing with corporate slop, that's a net benefit to everyone. If you accept a bajillion "realistic" MTX-simulators, you should be able to stomach (in the worst of cases) great ideas wrapped up in sloppy packaging. Yes, just think of it as hyper-pixelated ancient computer graphics, instead of weirdly smooth "AI" art -- same level of awkwardness in presentation, same level of soul in conception.
yeah, but people also buy funko pops, some people just consume crap.
Why should you antagonize developers for leveraging tools?
Because the tool in question can produce nothing but mediocrity. Next you'll start defending asset flips as "working smart".
Excuse me sweetie, its called soul.
NOOOOO WHY DID YOU USE AI TO GENERATE IRRELEVANT BACKGROUND IMAGES INSTEAD OF PAYING AN ARTIST THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
which then reflects into your product.
But while boiling said salt i can also cum, piss and shit in it, i still took effort in taking a crap on it didn't i? it's fundamentally a bad argument if said salt at the end doesn't enhance the flavor in any different way than a store bought one, or it's even worse because it's full of crap
nooo you have to pay $441315.41+tax+tip+union fee for me to drawn two small posters that will hang in a dark corner of a map because... you just have to okay?!?!?!?
woah that's some really good fanart of 40k demons
For sake of argument in particular order:
Next you'll start defending asset flips as "working smart".
Mein Neger, virtually every single developer studio in existence "flips assets". The difference between one "asset flip" to another is the effort put into retrofitting it. Pick any franchise and look at the assets: you find the same bases over and over again, slighty to moderately modified to fix technical modality and setting of a given entry.
Because the tool in question can produce nothing but mediocrity.
The only difference between "AI" and regular tools and methods in this instance is your performative outrage and selective suspension of disbelief. There's virtually no difference between a handcrafted base adapted by a human and adapted with an "AI".
and this is a 100+ mil game by a huge corporation
kek
I admit to making a shit product by making it really shitty
??? what are you even talking about?
You could argue that it makes sense on that mission. You're raiding a pedo furfag streamer's apartment. It doesn't seem too unlikely that a furry would actually drop money for shitty AI art poster commissions since furfags have a seemingly endless source of disposable income that they blow by the thousands on absolutely retarded shit.
it's either good art or bad art, plenty of brown fingers to draw corporate slop ai or not
That's just my vision as a chef chud
As with anything, AI art is only bad when retards literally just boot stable diffusion, run the default checkpoint with no loras and no prompt skill, and then you get the absolute slop that you see all over the internet. It's a skill issue. AI is way, way better than people think already, you just don't see the people who actually know how to use it because they're drowned out by 10000 pajeets posting literal slop.
And as for the whole 'AI is morally wrong, muh creators!!' is completely and all for show. The moment AI produces something they like, they'll say 'oh, okay, this isn't so bad, but just this, everything else is still bad'. It even happened last week, with the Fortnite Vader AI thing. The amount of people who went 'uuuh I don't like AI but this is really cool lol' is insane.
People don't actually dislike AI, they just want to posture and act like they care about creators. The real irony of it all is AI helps creators.
to fit*
Bleh.
computer generation can never be art
Ai art is good
Art should be a hobby. Anyone who unironically wants to make a career out of drawing is on the same level of delusion as people who want to be a professional football player or pop star.
That being said, AI art generally looks shit and improvements to generated images have been slowing down massively as of late, suggesting AI image generation has hit a summit, so I would much rather consume non-AI art than AI art.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is either a luddite or is Indian.
Im so glad ai appeared in the late stage of virtue signaling
one jeet that has 4 tabs open right now of this thread, sharty, twitter and reddit samefagging replies since nobody is taking the shit bait
More importantly, it lowers barriers to entry which is always a net negative. The less effort it takes to make a game, the less effort will be put in the games, and the less profitable it'll be to put effort into a game. The market inevitably gets a ton of shovelware which has a corruptive effect on the entire scene, forcing everyone to cut corners or starve.
And yet its still not a low bar for your average anon to make their dream game.
The only difference between "AI" and regular tools and methods in this instance is your performative outrage and selective suspension of disbelief.
Nope, AI, unlike other tools, can produce nothing but mediocrity by definition, it can only create based on what is available in its dataset, meaning that it can only produce a simulacrum of already existing art, it's constitutionally incapable of creating anything truly new, hence its creations are mediocre by definition.
outrage
Nobody's outraged, I simply see no reason to financially support mediocre products considering that money would be better spent supporting actually good products that deserve it.
That's retarded, no effort is put into trillion dollar games already. we might as well stop forming teams and switch to the ZUN model with AI now that there are no barriers, that would maximize both the number of games made and the passion put into them because every person would be making their personal dream game
And as for the whole 'AI is morally wrong, muh creators!!' is completely and all for show.
Yes, because it hinges the assertion that "AI" is a solitary, independant thing rather than a tool.
Nothing stops creators from integrating it into their workflow, other than their weird elitism. Besides that, I genuinely do consider the belief that 'engineering is not art' a sign of abysmally low intelligence. The guy who engineered the first brush as (at the very least) as much of an artist as every faggot who has used it since to paint.
people still using old, obsolete models
Why?
The less effort it takes to make a game, the less effort will be put in the games,
These arguments have nothing to do with AI because AI increases the quality of your output 10000x. You pseuds act like you're amazing artists and yet you will never post a finished piece because you literally can't. You're literally worthless compared to AI which is just a tool.
, and the less profitable
And your obsession with money just outs you as a poorfag that doesn't actually even care about art. You just want to make money.
It will be in a couple of years.
You think you understand baudrillard but don't
Nope, AI, unlike other tools, can produce nothing but mediocrity by definition, it can only create based on what is available in its dataset, meaning that it can only produce a simulacrum of already existing art, it's constitutionally incapable of creating anything truly new, hence its creations are mediocre by definition.
Mein Neger, humans operate within the same paradigm ().
Nobody's outraged, I simply see no reason to financially support mediocre products considering that money would be better spent supporting actually good products that deserve it.
I genuinely don't want to know how much money you've already spent on products created with "AI" assistance without realizing it.
Thecreal question: Will AI Art ever make pussies as wet as actual hand made art? Will a girl ever ask an AI slopper to gen her like he gens his 1girls?
Art should be a hobby
I have a business that needs lots of graphics. I have to use artists because the graphics need to look consistent and I often need very specific things done a certain way. AI is not good at either of these things. People that say AI art will replace artists don't understand that there is a need for art that doesn't involve making random anime girls and begging for money on deviantart or whatever. In fact, in my opinion, there aren't enough good artists that do what I need. They either suck and only do simple baby shit or they want to do their style only or they can only do vector graphic corporate trash.
yeah women are going to get super desperate because they will get less and less attention
profiting off art will be unimaginable soon, better find a new business model
Mein Neger, humans operate within the same paradigm
No they don't lol, if humans operated like AI then art would have never been born since AI requires previously existing art to function. It's not even a matter of opinion, it's just logically impossible for human art to operate like AI.
I genuinely don't want to know how much money you've already spent on products created with "AI" assistance without realizing it.
Exactly 0, I'm careful with my purchases.
Art is communication. There is no difference between using AI to write your book for you and using it to make art for you. Both are retarded and soulless.
He's a pajeet. He just got side tracked and started talking about some curry he ate from a food stall on the way to the call center he works at. It's kind of hard to follow conversations with these primitive creatures since they grow up on a diet of cow shit and piss and are so low on the food chain they worship animals the rest of the world slaughters and eats by the thousands on a daily basis as gods. Due to their stunted mental growth from literally consuming feces as infants, low intelligence, and their primitive culture, they tend to be very absent minded and prone to drifting off in conversations to retarded shit.
Wasn't that anon just replying to himself?
humans operate within the same paradigm
Do you not see the chicken and egg problem here?
I don't profit from the art.
its realistic fat gamers love ai sloppa anime girls
Why are AI faga so adamant and gleeful about erasing human differences like talents or self improvement and honing skills through sheer determination? Are they actual, unapologetic communists?
Thats half the thread so far.
I'd argue that there are already way too many games being produced as is, we don't need even more. Everyone being able to make their dream game sounds nice on paper, but the what will likely happen is a video game version of tiktok where people flip between shitty quick games without remembering any particular one for more than a minute.
Ok dig with a shovel if you want just don't cry you can't outdig my excavator
I'll play Dev's advocate aka shill
They are a small team working something ambitious without a massive budget so it makes sense they cut corners on things 96% people won't even care about
Dogshit analogy anon. Nobody (in good faith) will say that an AI written essay, article, or book has even a fraction the value of a human written one. Why? It's just a tool, right?
so this is what indian food analogy looks like
That sounds good, we can have a rating system so the best games get to the top. How often have art fags harped they have to make a million bad drawings to make good ones? Same dynamic exists for the skill of ludo
We don't need more but everyone sane wants better games and AI will enable people to make more and, most importantly, better games. It will also lower the bar to create a game so we'll get more of a variety coming from new players with new ideas.
And there is no downside here, it's unhinged to argue otherwise.
NO MY FUCKING COOMBRAIN ANIME POSTER ASSETS IN MY TACTICAL SHOOTER *NEED* TO BE HAND DRAWN
The main issue with AI is, as they say, the slop. People don't really do any sort of filtering on what might be remotely palatable. If a random anon on Anon Babble can put out something better on a whim, the situation is quite dire.
AI is a tool. Nothing more. If you are using AI to do the thinking for you, you have already failed. AI is to be guided.
nooooooo that person making a series of humble but increasingly good and innovative games could be in an office tuning up the face stubble on a corpo approved "female" protagonist designed by a committee
That’s exactly why it wouldn’t make sense.
Just another reason why Swat 4 is superior
pajeet thinks he could ever operate an excavator
Nigger a fucking shovel is too advanced for you seeing as you can't even dig a designated hole to shit in instead of just shitting on the streets
No they don't lol, if humans operated like AI then art would have never been born since AI requires previously existing art to function.
The very faggots who misuse "AI" (and who you consider representative of everyone who uses it) prove my point, as do all nu/llywood writers and terminally online parasocial media addicts. You are being inundated with "remasters", "re-recordings" and [current thing] brandspeak because the vast majority of humans around you operate 1:1 within the same paradigm as a (misused) AI.
They copy and re-combine their limited, pityful, dictated and curated-to-death training data, while actual sentient and agentic humans consistently strive to expand their training data (life experience) and create new things with whatever tools they have access to (incl. "AI").
Exactly 0, I'm careful with my purchases.
Anon, don't be ridiculous. Don't get me wrong, you should absolutely be able to avoid "AI", as I've stated already: in my opinion there should be disclaimers. It's however delusional to believe that you've managed to dodge it (unless limit your personal definition of "AI" useage to the most blatant slop, in which case it's useless).
only options are free AI slop and tumblr slop
absolutely seething for no reason
Using AI is ok, it's a tool, however it feels weird when an GAi "artist" start acting as if he did the whole thing, it's like talking to the weird kid.
As a species, humans have come to worship effort because it has been necessary for creation for the span of our existence. It is only natural for a large portion of the population to be resistant to the abolishment of effort and instead switching focus solely on the end result.
Which is weird when an ending can ruin an entire game for some people.
Ever wondered why they still teach math? No?
As a species, humans have come to worship effort
This could be the most delusional thing ever posted on Anon Babble.
He did do the whole thing and it's unhinged to imply otherwise. Just cry about how easy it was instead of acting like a computer program is sentient. You are the weird kid.
The bar to make games has been steadily lowering for years now with modern game engines, somehow the quality of games or the creativity of ideas haven't improved in any visible way, in some ways it regressed. Believing that even more access will surely make things better this time is just wishful thinking.
Better learn coping with it buddy, because it's inevitable.
Bongo Cat is literally 5th place on Steam.
lmao this is what I mean, weird~
in what fucking world does Swat 4 compare to Ready or Not?
better graphics
better maps
more variety in weapons
ai isn't retarded
The very faggots who misuse "AI" (and who you consider representative of everyone who uses it) prove my point, as do all nu/llywood writers and terminally online parasocial media addicts. You are being inundated with "remasters", "re-recordings" and [current thing] brandspeak because the vast majority of humans around you operate 1:1 within the same paradigm as a (misused) AI.
They copy and re-combine their limited, pityful, dictated and curated-to-death training data, while actual sentient and agentic humans consistently strive to expand their training data (life experience) and create new things with whatever tools they have access to (incl. "AI").
You struggle to understand logic, it doesn't matter to my argument that the vast majority of artists today are mediocre, my argument is about essence, AI "art" is constitutionally incapable of elevating itself above mediocrity by virtue of how it functions, while human art can. That it doesn't because most consumers and creators today are slopeaters doesn't mean this fundamental distinction suddenly ceases to exist, or matter.
Anon, don't be ridiculous. Don't get me wrong, you should absolutely be able to avoid "AI", as I've stated already: in my opinion there should be disclaimers. It's however delusional to believe that you've managed to dodge it (unless limit your personal definition of "AI" useage to the most blatant slop, in which case it's useless).
What can I tell you, I have a pair of functioning eyes and trust in my own judgment.
AI art May be art but in that case the AI is the artist, not the prompter. You aren't an artist when you comission someone else to do art for you, in this case you are just commissioning an artificial artist.
seeI agree with you but you're short sighted and aren't thinking with clarity on the topic of AI.
You can't draw or animate at all, if you tried you would make a piece of shit. But you can prompt something that's good looking. AI is a force multiplier in quality(and speed) and this will affect video game development.
unironically arguing a tool is sentient
You are mentally ill.
What else do you call it? People are placing intrinsic value on the effort that an undertaking took for absolutely no reason, as it bears no relevance to the artistic merit of the finished piece, provided of course that the output of a more efficient method is of comparable quality to the handcrafting.
A good example to give for this is the Sistine Chapel. If the whole chapel had been created with the press of a button, most people would claim that it is less impressive, even though it would be aesthetically the exact same.
arguing logic with a nostalgiafag
and this is coming from someone who loved Swat 4 as a kid.
Yyyyyou are this
Uh, grok what do we think about this
seeYour problem might be that you've never used AI before and don't know what a seed is. But either way you're retarded.
See: . There's no chicken/egg dilemma. You can only teach what you know/understand. Humans teach each other AND "AI". It satisfies the 80%/20% rule:
80% of humans copy, 20% of humans create (and experience)
20% of humans use "AI" as a tool, 80% of humans use "AI" to produce nothing but slop
Media once has had soul, because the people creating it have had a life outside of it. Media today has no soul, because the people creating it have no life outside of it -- everyone's 24/7 hooked up to flashy, handheld black mirrors.
Ok but what does that mean in real terms, you're just drawing an arbitrary line around the imaginary title of artist which isn't going to change anything or stop anyone from creating what they want. Your post means nothing.
they ask an AI to write their posts
Oof
You are severely low IQ if you can't see what that poster is saying, especially in the current day.
What does it matter? Would you look at it more than 5 seconds?
Then why do you care so much? No one considers you an artist, but you do, do you need more than your own opinion?
one day AI will be able to make better games than anything that exists now. people using AI now are just pioneers trying to advance gaming
pajeets on here genuinely believe they're creative and artistic for prompting slop
Why are AI sloppers seem so spiteful exactly? It feels like someone who felt rejected his whole life now finally has a tool to strike back at those he feels have wronged him for so long.
You struggle to understand logic, it doesn't matter to my argument that the vast majority of artists today are mediocre, my argument is about essence, AI "art" is constitutionally incapable of elevating itself above mediocrity by virtue of how it functions, while human art can. That it doesn't because most consumers and creators today are slopeaters doesn't mean this fundamental distinction suddenly ceases to exist, or matter.
You're entire argument hinges on the arbitary assumption that "AI" is an independant agentic actor instead of a tool used by an agentic actor.
What can I tell you, I have a pair of functioning eyes and trust in my own judgment.
Ok.
If the Sistine Chapel looked like shit nobody would care.
Ideological anti-AI faggots are more annoying than "muh voice actors" faggots.
That said, it IS lazy and bad world building to just slap generic low quality gens up on the wall like OP has done.
I got no reason to seethe bro. I'm just pointing and laughing at the subhuman creature that eats cow feces and shits in the streets and thinks it's an actual human.
your argument*
Bleh.
You're right but falling for a misdirection, it's the most protestant-work-ethic-adjascent side that's embracing AI and the do-nothing laptop job class that's opposing it. The reasons they give are ficticious, the real reason is less idealistic.
We are shaping the food scene, our choices are forging the future of cuisine
t. McDonald's Client
it's lazy to make a unique poster
you fucking retard
Why are the "real" artists so hung up on recognition and validation? No one gens AI art to be the next big thing (Grifters excluded, of course, but I doubt anyone is defending those people), they just do it because it's an easy way to create art for all kinds of personal projects.
Personally, I hope that AI generated content will be regulated so that it cannot be copyrighted, because being able to make money from art, I feel, has never been a good thing.
I used to be anti-AI, but after the recent Touhou fiasco and anti-AI crowds lashing out at everything and everyone, I was pretty much drained of all goodwill toward them. Now I take a moderate, centrist stance on the issue.
I care that you're in a thread on a topic I care about posting airy nonsense in opposition to it, if you'd said something substantial I'd make a counter argument but you didn't so all I have to do is point that out.
Touhou fiasco
Wait, what? What happened this time?
They didn't make anything
It is lazy
So literally ITS OKAY WHEN ZUN DID IT stance?
You're literally Indian and didn't understand my post.
I'd ask you to nake your career but we both know you're a NEET with no qualms about having the working force be consumed by a insatiable ruling class. You were never even playing the game to begin with.
Why do anti-AI fags seem so spiteful exactly?
It feels as if they were all expecting a storied career with accolades out the ass but know they're ultimately doomed to a subpar existence where they remain a relative unknown artist for the rest of their lives and they feel threatened by something they perceive as doing "better" than them.
They can still continue their pursuits of art and know that on the whole, more people than not are going to appreciate legitimately created art over AI anyways.
Will a girl ever ask an AI slopper to gen her like he gens his 1girls?
this has already happened tons of times, so yes
A real artist would never use their work as leverage, artists are their biggest critics, most have imposter syndrome so they refuse to be recognized.
An actual artist is never happy with the result, they know they can do better.
Maybe there are a lot of people in that position.
200 posts crying about something that DoEsnT eXiSt
and you wonder why you get called schizo every day
this is projection, you didn't understand my post or their intentions
Well if they want recognition why are they not willing to put in the needed effort?
tl;dr: ZUN used Adobe Firefly to make some Spell Card backgrounds in TH20. Yes, the stuff that would have ordinarily been a stock photo zoomed and pixelised to shit. Twitter found out, and the rest is history.
The funny thing is this isn't even the first time he's done that. It's just that the Twitter outrage mob wasn't told last time.
right leg fucked up
Why do you want to be considered an aritst?
I work with mentally handicapped young adults, actually. Prepares me well for interactions with anons here on the 4chins.
Why are you playing on a resolution for ants?
That's the thing, though. (As much) effort will soon no longer be needed. In videogame terms, the difficulty of artistic endeavors is about to be lowered.
That's dumb. ZUN has literally committed the cardinal sin of tracing since the PC98 days (Marisa is a 1-on-1 on a character from Rance, for example). Him using AI is definitely something I see him doing. The guy just cannot draw.
needed
Videogames were never needed
consumed by a insatiable ruling class
My nigger, that train has left the station of social misenginnering, botched eugenuics and reckless usury some +300yrs ago - without brakes.
Globohomo's origin story:
once upon a time the world has been peaceful and harmonious, then came along a snakeoil merchant
the snakeoil merchant has sent ahead an ostensibly filthy-rich bait to a village
the bait very publically flaunted his shinies and pitched worthless magic paper to the villagers
the villagers sought out the snakeoil merchant, willing to trade their everything for worhless magic paper
a week later, after realizing that its worthless magic paper they couldn't use anywhere else, they returned to the merchant to trade it back
the snakeoil merchant told them that he would be a fool to trade back all the resources for the original prices, as there are so few resources in comparison to the volumes of worthless magic paper now in circulation
villagers involved legal authority which told them to fuck off, because the trades were legal -- the merchant didn't lie, the bait did and the villagers didn't bother asking the merchant or reading the fineprint
the snakeoil merchant showed "mercy" and allowed the villagers to burrow the resources against a fee and interest paid with the worthless magic paper
[fast forward] the village is bankrupt and indebted, everyone's at each other throat having scammed each other out of their worthless magic paper to pay their own fees
the merchant once again showed "mercy" and offered them a deal: if they assume the role of the bait and spread the good word of the worthless magic paper in other villages they'll be allowed to stay in their homes and toil their fields
[fast forward] the merchant is now considered the sovereign, writing the laws and ruling over terminally indebted and blackmailed royality and common folk alike, all the while canonizing the most prolific baits as prophets and whatnot
[fast forward] (You)'re here.
AIfags are angry because they feel like anti-AI fags are just moral posturing.
Anti-AIfags are angry because they feel like AIfags are coming to take their jobs.
I don't, why do you keep trying to bring it back to that? You brought up the title of artist yourself, unprompted, and continue to in every reply, you are the one preoccupied with it.
Yup. It's purely ideological outrage with no context awareness. A kneejerk. And it really showed me that anti-AI retards aren't worth engaging with.
How does that relate to anything that was said?
Then why is that "arbitrary line" so important?
That's a whole lot of empty assumptions, and either way they have nothing to do with the matter. Is that game about digging a hole of good quality? Is Vampire Survivors? Or that drug dealer game? What is good in the context? And most importantly, will the same standards apply in your supposed world of AI produced games?
We think the artworld is a perfect meritocracy now?
Nothing wrong with AI generated imagery, it has many uses, it's simply not art
I literally said it's not important, damn luddites are stupid.
that makes less sense, if a furry has money to blow on frivolous shit why bother hanging up AI sloppa anyone could pump out when they could spend that cash on a serious furfag artist drawing their OC getting their asshole rimmed or something
luddites
lol
Art is any expression of the self. The method of how that expression comes to be is irrelevant.
Why do you want to be called an artist do bad anon?
How are you expressing yourself with AI, post your process.
That's a whole lot of empty assumptions,
There isn't even one of those. If you think a bit more and give me a better response I'll reply properly to you but you just seem braindead.
do bad
Subliminal messaging detecting. Get fucked, hebrew magician!
1girl, large breasts, lingerie, 2.5D, extremely detailed, masterpiece,
NTA, how would you express yourself with a brush, a pemcil, an musicial instrument, (...)?
Nice to know I'm taking to a bot.
If you have an idea in your head, any action to express it in physical reality is what you call art. Using an .exe troons dislike doesn't stop art from being art.
extremely detailed, masterpiece
I'd say "lol" but you won't even know why I'm laughing.
why do you fuckers hyperfixate on tumblr/twitter shit as though what some literally who porn artist drawing shit-proportioned fat asses does has any effect whatsoever
the Balatro guy hired a dude off Fiverr to do his music for him, there's people out there with actual skills that may or may not use AI to aid in their workflow but for some reason the focus is always on "commissions pls" retards as though the entire point is spite instead of actually using the fucking tool
Nothing is ever needed, not even art, actually it could be argued that Art is an unwanted byproduct of creating society, a sign of evolutionary stagnation, a cry for help from the subconscious to try and reach its intended purpose but tethered by the limitations of being stuck in a societal bubble.
How is generating an image based on an idea that came from your brain expressing yourself?
Gee, I don't know anon. It's a real mystery.
but you can't even tell them apart
Nice.
That's what I thought.
The post you quoted was claiming that not so much EFFORT will be needed for creation going forward. How did you jump from that to whatever you are babbling about?
casually cedes the realm of human-made art to leftist faggots
Art is a wonderful thing, don't just shrug your shoulders and hand it to your enemies
Soulless slop lazily shat out by an algorithm will never be art, and the entire concept of such a thing even being allowed to exist is an insult to art.
Spiteful pro-AI jeets are always either jealous of artists and trying to take "revenge" by destroying art entirely, or otherwise are simply so profoundly mentally retarded that they literally can't even comprehend the difference between making something with soul and passion vs prompting some slop
Calling a person an artist is like calling them a breather, we are all artists, just not all empowered to do it. it's not going to be an exclusive clique anymore.
No
You will be a laughing stock until you die. Crying about artists because they make better art than you easier.
Was it really difficult for the developers to find some cheap artist to make 4 or 5 generic anime posters?
They'll outsource it to an Indian company and they'll use AI just the same, lol.
Artists need to realize their value when I can buy a 21-page doujin on DLSite for under five bucks.
Artwork ten times more valued than their half-assed slop.
AI jeets genuinely believe they're "artists" that "make better art easier"
my fucking sides are in orbit at your retardation lil niggy
we are all artists, just not all empowered to do it
I'm an olympia level swimmer, just not all empowered to do it AMA
You're entire argument hinges on the arbitary assumption that "AI" is an independant agentic actor instead of a tool used by an agentic actor.
No, my entire argument hinges on how AI works.
seething tranny cannot cope that there are millions of AI artists more capable and popular than they are
YOU DIDN'T USE THE WORD EFFORT LIKE I DID THEREFORE YOU ARE WRONG
lol, ask chatGPT to extrapolate.
You know that your argument is utter dogshit, if it hinges on tribalism. How do you reconcile the existence of artists who argue in favor of "AI" and integrate it into their workflows with your "passion vs slop" dichotomy?
all it takes to destroy """art""" is a new means of creation
Saar please buy the AI art very detailed yes
You have to swim well to be one of those. You don't have to do anything but make art to be an artist.
BUT THATS NOT ART
You are mentally ill.
It's a complete sidetracking from the discussion, you loon.
Someone says that soon it will be easier to create art
ACKSHUALLY, ART IS NOT NEEDED
good post, and a necessary one judging from all the coping pajeet replies
I guess chatgpt is still not prepared for actual human conversations, let's try again when someone else updates it, Ok?
You're making too much logical sense, dude. Don't bother. These fuckers are unreasonable and will just respond with jeeet jeeet jeeet
A developer disclosing the use, and focusing on making a great game at a reasonable price, I'm all for it. The faggots in this thread do not understand nuance. Things aren't strictly black or white.
I'll just hire someone else to swim for me, I'm a swimmer you chud
You are actually schizophrenic if you do not see how that was a complete switch in topic mid-discussion.
Why do ai "artists" behave like sports fans
personal attacks
Woah, calm down anon, maybe ask your AI to play some binaural beats.
Chill.
Nothing wrong with machine slop as long as it's free
your computer program is a sentient being
let's ignore that you have full control over the software and its outputs
Mentally ill.
True, but that will be $80 + tax + tip
It's okay I'll tell the guy which direction to swim to, I'm a swimmer
No, my entire argument hinges on how AI works.
That is, again, 1:1 the paradigm humans work within. A human running on worthless training data can only produce worthless slop. An "AI" used by a human who is running on worthless training data only produce, that's slighty elevated or decepricated by the "AI"s training data.
Replace "AI" with any other tool and training data with build quality of the tool. It doesn't matter whether a brush is made out of the most brittle, worthless wood or the most durable, valueable compound material: if the human who is using it is a retard, the brush will produce worthless slop.
full control
Not even MSPaint grants full control, and that shit is like a layer of abstraction, now imagine a tool based on fuzzy logic.
Never called myself an artist. Maybe one day I will be when I finish learning 3D modeling. But not today.
Imagine being this retarded and seething about AI for 3 years lol.
You can't change the color of individual pixels in mspaint?
I've been using AI for 10 years in my dating sims (but not for the graphic art). What I do is write in my native language, then use AI to roughly translate it into English, then I rewrite the script in English and run it through AI again to suggest more correct grammatical constructions. In this last pass, sometimes I accept the AI's suggestions, sometimes not because it often tries to remove soul from my scripts by replacing words like "retard" and "faggot" with others.
An "AI" used by a human who is running on worthless training data will only produce worthless slop*, that's slighty elevated or decepricated by the "AI"s own training data.
Bleh.
Not if they have alpha values, no.
How does it feel to be the modern version of this?
I think AI is making me religious. I wasn't raised as such and I never had any strong convictions regarding the existence of souls, but I am increasingly convinced that there is something intangible separating the humans from the sloppers. The new pope warning about AI has reinforced this.
You can be more pedantic if you really try.
People still play top money to watch artists perform and loathe autotune and such.
That is, again, 1:1 the paradigm humans work within.
No it isn't, else humans art would have never been born. I've already explained this, don't make me repeat it again.
Modern luddites are way worse than those clowns were, they could at least write.
That robot looks really cool.
Anon, no seriously, the main drawback of MSPaint and the reason no one uses it is that it can't handle alpha values
That's specifically talking about replacing orchestras in the theater, eg. those providing music and sound effects for stage plays. Something that no longer exists beyond some very, very niche circles.
AI is literally making me lose my mind
damn that's crazy
Anon, that's even worse, anyone would gladly pay whatever they ask if they performed live, imagine watching A Clockwork Orange while Kraftwerk and Wendy Carlos performing live, damn I would kill to be there.
I'm serious too. If you try REALLY hard you can be a tiny bit more pedantic and the argument will be yours.
The initial point was that you have full control of the output, if you want to make a part of your art transparent you can use photoshop. If you want to piss on it you could print it and piss on it too.
Uh, ok whatever anon, still far from full control.
Orchestrated music still plays in the theatre. That was a bunch of luddites mad they were losing their jobs to technology.
Utterly infantile idea, since a stage play can be having showings all over a country simultaneously, so the only way to have live music for every showing is to hire a generic local orchestra to play generic music and at that point, why would you not move to pre-recorded music?
now that he realizes he was being a retard he is playing dumb
If you think only drawing gives you full control, you're already beyond retarded. But you can draw on your AI art as well.
utterly infantile idea
Waaaaaah it's not fair I want what they have and I don't want anyone to have more than me
lol the irony
No it isn't, else humans art would have never been born. I've already explained this, don't make me repeat it again.
You've explained nothing, you've presented a snapshot and handwaved the argument ().
You struggle to understand logic, it doesn't matter to my argument that the vast majority of artists today are mediocre, my argument is about essence, AI "art" is constitutionally incapable of elevating itself above mediocrity by virtue of how it functions, while human art can.
Because humans are (ought to be) sentient, agentic actors who can expand their own training data, whereas "AI", while operating within the sane paradigm, is a tool that cannot expand or leverage its training data independant of the human(s) using it.
That it doesn't because most consumers and creators today are slopeaters doesn't mean this fundamental distinction suddenly ceases to exist, or matter.
You're judging art created with "AI" based on the slop created by "AI" as prompted by the slopeaters, and by doing so you treat "AI" like an independant agentic actor -- like the slopeaters whose use of it you (rightly) criticize.
still far from full control.
This is true. But it will get there, eventually.
your AI art
you can place more ketsoup on your bigmac
What the fuck. Is this the same anon that tried to derail the discussion earlier?
AI is impressive, I agree
no argument
waaah anon is mean
You posted no argument to answer to. The original argument was that it would be logistically impossible for there to be specific live performers for every showing of a play, and then you replied with some drivel about not wanting others to have more than me.
OK, so you agree that it is a compromise and that it would be better if it was the real thing, but it is logistically impossible so you need to settle with the bare minimum.
Perfect, AI is the new bare minimum, glad we agree.
Recorded music is better than live.
I think it is secondary whether the music and sound effects of a stage play are produced live or come from speakers at the sides of the stage. The play itself is what I am, ostensibly, there to see.
It's fine, I luv me some mass produced slop too, it's kinda tasty in a plasticy way.
Which part of this image is problematic?
You've explained nothing
I have, you, for some reason (either lack of intelligence or honesty), refuse to understand. Since I'm nice a guy I'm gonna assume the first motivation and I'm gonna re-elaborate my arguments in a more digestible manner
Why saying that human art and AI "art" operate within the same paradigm is illogical
a) AI image generators requires traning data in the form of pre-existing art to function
b) Human art hasn't always existed
c) Ergo human art doesn't require previously existing art in order for new art to be created, or else it wouldn't exist
d) Ergo, given a) and c) human art and AI "art" are not in the same category.
It's quite a simple argument, if you still struggle to understand it you can ask chat-gpt to dumb it down further for you since this is as simple as I know how to make it.
It was 2ais replying to eachother actually. Im not even real.
kek
NTA but
a) AI image generators requires traning data in the form of pre-existing art to function
b) Human art hasn't always existed
c) Ergo human art doesn't require previously existing art in order for new art to be created, or else it wouldn't exist
d) Ergo, given a) and c) human art and AI "art" are not in the same category.
AI art generators do not need training data. Some of the earliest AI machines created artwork based on sound vibrations, in real-time.
You can also train image generators without art. The amount of art in image models is actually miniscule compared to the photographs of objects giving it important information.
These kinds of arguments are pointless too because it doesn't matter how image generators work, what matters is that people use them to create art. AI art is human art, it's just a tool.
AI generations are better actors than most actors now
video.twimg.com
Sure, I could have been more specific and specified that AI image generators need human art in its dataset to generate the simulacrum of human art that we call colloquially "AI art" and not just any image. You could make it spit it out an image based on n decimals of π but that's not what I'm talking about here.
AI image generators need human art in its dataset to generate the simulacrum of human art that we call colloquially "AI art"
They do not. You could make a model with nothing but pictures of bricks and produce art with it.
Fundamentally your argument is retarded is what I'm trying to get across. People are using this tool to make all kinds of art and that's all there is to it. It relies on human imagination just like drawings do. That's it.
Tech-illiterate and confidently incorrect. just like the "ai" you worship.
cope artist fag
You could make a model with nothing but pictures of bricks and produce art with it.
That makes no sense, how are you gonna make art if it can only recreate pictures of bricks? lol
Some of the earliest AI machines created artwork based on sound vibrations, in real-time.
Lets see it make an anime waifu then
You can also train image generators without art
Lets see a generated anime waifu
it's just a tool.
You just tipped a bunch of words into a text box, it's more like a 3d printer.
AI trannies keep trying to say it's a tool so they can credit for their slop which is never going to happen. AIslop will never be considered real art just like trannies will never be considered as real women.
sigh
This is from a level in Ready Or Not, a swat swim game. In this level, you're called on a fake bomb/murder threat made on this weeb streamer, and although the threat is fake, you find evidence in his room that he runs a big money scam, is obsessed with generative AI, and has ties to a child trafficking ring. The art is AI intentionally here, there's other art and illustrations in all the other levels and they're all actual art.
Stop with the bait please.
Yeah the fact this threat is so long without anyone else pointing out shows how dogshit Anon Babble is now. There's even a weeb themed room in the nightclub level with a bunch of sex posters and none of that is AI.
It relies on human imagination just like drawings do.
you fucking what? then why would we ever need LORAs unless i'm misunderstanding what LORAs are/do?
Haha retard.
you can't make art with bricks
Jesus.
Incredible how you're missing the point after two replies.
This was great.
a) AI image generators requires traning data in the form of pre-existing art to function
As do humans (sensory input, formal training, life experience = training data).
b) Human art hasn't always existed
Contemplate what qualifies art to you (and others) and what does not.
Does enginnering qualify as art to you? For me it does. Does "post modernism" (e.g.:banana ducttaped on white wall) qualify as art to you? To me it doesn't. And so on. The only thing that has not always existed is the human understanding of art -- and evidently, to this very day, there exists no universal understanding either.
c) Ergo human art doesn't require previously existing art in order for new art to be created, or else it wouldn't exist
See above.
d) Ergo, given a) and c) human art and AI "art" are not in the same category.
I do consider art created WITH "AI" to be regular art, whereas I do not consider slop created BY "AI" to be regular art. This whole discussion, if reduced to "what's art?" mimics the conflict kickstarted by the subversion of general arts by "post modernism".
If you create art WITH "AI", the "AI" assumes the function of a brush you paint with. Whereas slop created BY "AI" is akin to throwing garbage on the floor and then charging people for looking at it (or cleaning it up, if you get reference).
It's quite a simple argument, if you still struggle to understand it you can ask chat-gpt to dumb it down further for you since this is as simple as I know how to make it.
My nigger, you're struggling with the concept of tools.
They can't refute this, but they'll sure kvetch their lungs out trying.
This is my first reply
Loras expand upon the library of knowledge. What did you think loras do?
A lora is effectively nothing more than a reference. You make and use loras to express your imagination.
Where did I say it wasn't? You read the posts but you're still confused because you are illiterate, just look at this post.
Have you never noticed how politicians always campaign on "creating jobs", even when the creation of said job costs more than it produces?
the "AI" assumes the function of a brush you paint with
Enter a few keywords
Algorithm shit out a picture
Is this how a brush works?
After two replies
Alzheimer's so soon. Sad
Hahaha you're unironically illiterate.
you can't make art with bricks
Behold, art according to jeets
watch some faggot come and say that they should have hired an artist to imitate AI art instead of using AI to make what is intentionally supposed to be AI art.
It's so fucking funny to me how 2020s youngsters are anti technology, and pro conservatism in everything.
first reply
after two replies
The fuck?
Explain because i'm actually confused
Is this how a brush works?
You can't paint a picture with a few strokes? Are you retarded?
Using AI just takes less effort and the picture is better faster.
Unimaginative retard.
I'm glad AIfags are the most insufferable people in existence because it's just going to make people hate AIslop even more than they already do.
Ai faggot instantly starts to larp out an imaginary scenario to attack.
go give those windmills what for don.
only my replies are replies
your replies aren't replies
It's crazy how fucking retarded some people are.
Anon Babble needs their shitty bait threads
I seek only my own satisfaction.
I can't believe we have come to a point where even Dobson is now considered talented compared to AIfags. Talk about hitting a new low.
unfortunately for your larp, most people like AI a lot and it keeps getting better
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
That is your opinion though and I disagree.
I have never thought Dogson lacked talent. He is just an insufferable hypocritical cunt.
I'd be pissed and demoralized too if something came along that could do what I do in the fraction of a time it takes me to do it.
Oh wait, that already exists and it is called a computer. But... I'm not having a kicky melty like artists are, so what gives?
really wish this shit would stop doing em dashes bro i'm telling it not to do that and it still keeps fucking shoveling them in
otherwise perfect tool to shitpost with, I churn in random posts in AI threads, tell the AI to insult the poster, slam it down and go back to playing minecraft
i guess i could automate the removal of it or something, but FUCK
(sensory input, formal training, life experience = training data).
I said "training data in the form of previous art". This is a false equivalence. Logical fallacy n.1
Contemplate what qualifies art to you (and others) and what does not.
It does not matter to my argument, only thing that matters to my argument is that art at some point didn't exist, however you choose to define it. Logical fallacy n.2
See above
Also see above
I do consider art created WITH "AI" to be regular art, whereas I do not consider slop created BY "AI" to be regular art. This whole discussion, if reduced to "what's art?" mimics the conflict kickstarted by the subversion of general arts by "post modernism".
This has nothing to do with my argument.
My nigger, you're struggling with the concept of tools.
But I don't? I said that AI can go above mediocrity by virtue of how it functions, not that it's not a tool (and this is another argument, related but different from the one above). I don't believe it's not a tool, I believe it's a tool for making AI art, which I've already explained differs in constitution from human art. Not only you are incapable of comprehending a simple 4 step logical argument, you completely misinterpreted my other point when I never even mentioned tools.
*can never go above mediocrity
Microwaves can also cook your slop in the fraction of a time it takes a gourmet 5 star restaurant to make food. It's still going to be slop that nobody wants.
Fortunately for you, you aren't insane.
Imagine every "AI" to be a formally trained, moderately talented human artist squeezed into small, cubical shat up little black box, forced to work commissions indefinitely.
He's dealing with two kinds customers:
the slopeater who provides him with a three-word prompt (=creation BY "AI")
the creative who provides him with a 60page white paper on how to draw that big tiddy gurl (= creation WITH "AI")
What does ultimately move the brush to conjure up art? I'd argue it's the idea.
I don't believe it's not a tool, I believe it's a tool for making AI art, which I've already explained differs in constitution from human art. Not only you are incapable of comprehending a simple 4 step logical argument, you completely misinterpreted my other point when I never even mentioned tools.
The chutzpah.
Ummm dall-e threads are bad!!
AI related threads on Anon Babble are always the highest posts per minute
so which one is it faggots
Ai art is good because it makes you mad
I hope more games use it
muh art