Dragons Dogma 13th Anniversary

Dragons Dogma turns 13 today. How does it feel? Does it still hurt?

I don't want to talk about it

13 huh, what an unlucky number.

Beastren pussy

I had an OK time with 2, would love a proper expansion but it is what it is.

Fuck off and die Itsuno you cunt.
I trusted you.

Why didn't they just remake Dragons Dogma Online instead? Were they afraid to separate the MH and DD fanbases? Because most are probably fans of both.

Why did they cancel the dlc?

I've memory holed dd2 in its entirety. Saw skills were limited, interest died on the spot. The character creator/customization being kneecapped just finalized my disinterest.

Fucking jap swindler.

So glad I didn't fall for DD2 marketing.

I know it's really petty, but I'm still pissed off about how they handled the vocations

my interest died when they confirmed the game has only 9 vocations (warfarer is not a real vocation, don't care)

it still amazes me how they fucked up making probably the game of decade. So much of the potential is wasted

Technically 8 vocations. Trickster also really doesn't count, just a gimmick vocation.

Capcom most likely rushed it out for 2024 sales with Wilds getting delayed to 2025.

This board entered a state of collective hysteria in the weeks leading to this DD2 launch, accusing anyone who didnt think Itsuno was the 2nd coming of Christ of being a Discord Tranny or Shazam Falseflagger.

It was really funny seeing all the coping and seething when DD2 came out and it turned out to be a shitty, undercooked, unoptimized, MTX-filled flop.

He fucked up DMC5 too but no one was willing to admit it.
V was fucking trash.
The visuals and level design were bland, monotonous and ugly.
Disposable Devil breakers were a dogshit idea.
the breaker switching mod wasn't even a thing when the game released. it was terrible.

I will never understand how they managed to fuck up 2.

Or did they waste all their energy with DD: Online?

frogslop

DMC5 is absolute action kino, best DMC, best Action game ever possibly

VOTED Anon Babble'S MOST ANTICIPATED GAME OF TWENTY TWENTY TWO
VOTED Anon Babble'S MOST ANTICPATED GAME OF TWENTY TWENTY THREE
VOTED Anon Babble'S BIGGEST DISAPPOINTMENT OF TWENTY TWENTY FOUR

the only reason that game is playable is because of modders. modding out all of itsunos bad design.

Yeah I love it when games I'm looking forward to turn out to be shit.

DD2 was fun but very disappointing. This won't change the fact dragon's dogma dark arisen is one of the best games ever made

OH IM BLASTINGGGGGGGGGGG

I didn't mind V, had its moments and the music back to what it should have been. However the hate for DmC probably made it a better and issues were overlooked. If DD2 wasn't called Dragons Dogma and they named it something else it's actually still a great game just not what was expected or promised. The fact they removed features that were already there was an insane decision.

I thought the dark days of crapcom were behind them. Alas.

Is this the part where we pretend people didn't make fake performance screenshots and dev messages?

to be quite frank with you i have no idea why there was so much excitement for it in the first place, the first game was 7/10 at best and dmc5 was already a disappointment

using a mod that fixes warfarer

Really shows the state of the game/fanbase and the wasted potential.

I'm willing to count it as a real vocation. I mean it's bad and useless but at least there was some modicum of effort put into it. Meanwhile there's a mod that lets you switch skills/vocations on the fly that's 10 more robust and flexible than Warfarer which highlights how lazy it was implemented

Does it still hurt?

Yeah.

I wonder why they never did a sequel to it

Good thing I was a coomer because the moment I saw that character creator demo and I couldn't make a cute girl I just noped out. Good thing my coomer insticts got the better of me because the actual game was in fact not good.

Fucking yellow lying cunt I hope he dies

the first game was 7/10 despite being blatantly unfinished, yet had many cool design concepts

why would people be hopeful that sequel would be properly funded and finished and realise the potential of said unfinished 7/10 game.

Maybe if modders were competent enough to finally finish the coop mod and take out all the syncing jank I would play it again. DMC4SE coop on one screen ain't it.

How did modders even save the game? All I remember is LDK, Turbo, and on screen Style switching text which never got updated with for Vergil DLC

Should we just make DD1 with more classes, monsters and shit, better graphics and fixing all the things that need fixing?

Nah, listen here...

couldn't make a cute girl

This is just DDO gameplay pretty much. It's like saying Elden Ring Convergence is a must install but it turns the game into utter shit with all the spell power creep.

How long did that take you? I remember struggling to make sense of the ugly presets they gave you and after like 15 minutes of trying I just gave up. I think even JP twitter made fun of the presets

25 vocations sissies... are you still here?

Someone post the screenshots please I beg of thee

I thought DD2 was better then DD1, barely played bitterblack island tho I just rushed to daimon

Is 2 really that bad?

I remember when the achievements leaked and fanboys really thought it was fake because it revealed Battahl was a nothingburger location

The character creator was fine, unless you mean girls girls

Like when the entire fight with Radahn leaked and it was surely fake because it had reused animations and models?

yes, even more so because it has less content than og dd/dark arisen, and the infinite wasted potential and obssession over bullshit systems and mechanics that barely get used is still there. He literally did the same game but not even that good this time, just mediocre

how's the dlc coming laong Itsuno san?

Both are fine on their own, the disappointment comes from the fact all the game needed to be was 1 but with the missing concept content.

Presets do suck. I was playing on release so I first exported a pawn I made in the character creator demo, she looked really good in cc but in-game she looked like a retarded clown so I had to spend some time on editing her later. There are some good presets from anons in dogma thread on Anon Babble if you're interested in seeing what you can do with dd2 cc

anybody tried the dogamma modpack? how is it?

she looked really good in cc but in-game she looked like a retarded clown so I had to spend some time on editing her later.

Reminds me of MHWorld because the character creator used really baked lighting to make the character looked good but the actual in game model had worse and simplified meshes.

No. You'll just be disappointed in it expecting more if you can go through the content in 40-70 hours. It's too easy for gamers. I figure you'd have a much better time at it if you played it only few hours a week, or as a kid who is still bad/very casual at games. If you minmax, go through every cavern and sidequest before progressing, you'll overlevel and become too powerful and knowledgeable about the game. Better go in as blind as you can.

I just want more of dd2...

When a website preview article from someone who got to play the game confirmed there's no other vocations, this board legit tried to claim the previewer was a discord plant who had managed to get hired by the website just to put out a negative hit piece on DD2.

Absolute mental illness.

Breaker switching.
Removing V from the game
Fixing Vergils controls. fixing vergils DT and putting douple ganger on the Dpad.
fixing vergils sluggish teleports and other jank problems.
reversals, inertia, buffers.
removing lag frames from attacks, guns and jump cancels.
Fixing the frame data on a bunch of Dantes moves.
Fixing balrog, restoring rebellions missing moves.
and many more.

Didnt think about that until now
It is the SAME FUCKING PROBLEMS again as the first one had

Look at all this unfinished systems, it is basically the concept of the system, we have not finished any of them, but they are all here. What finish the unfinished systems from the first game? nah

BUT it is also a much worse game

It's literally about as good as vanilla 1, just with different weaknesses and strengths.
The issue is Anon Babble had this several years long wet dream and lists of things they wanted to see improved/fixed over the first game. Instead DD2 ended up being a different take on the same game.

It improves very little from the original, while taking a step back in quite a few areas. The new physics are nice (although some people hate the floatiness), being able to walk on top of monsters is great, and warrior was fixed, and enemy and pawn AI are better (although there's less options to tailor your pawn AI). And that's pretty much it. It's much longer than the original, but it frequently feels like bloat and padding rather than good design. Mostly is just feels like wasted potential. Again.

I forgot about that, fucking insanity
Someone surely saved all the screenshots please bro they were too fucking good

I thought the ending of DD2 with the gigantic dragon and brine was fucking kino.
Shame everything else was kinda dogshit.

in 40-70h

You can finish the game and miss literally nothing of value in 15h

The game launching without an equivalent to the Ur-Dragon, let alone BBI, is inexcusable.

Can we fight that dragon.

plays open world games developed for exploration, adventure etc despite not finding any value in such

you're just retarded.

Re-release when?

Always loved Kinoshita's face on the "We've really gone all out" and how there was going to be all sorts of secret monsters like the Sphinx to find and then Sphinx being literally the only one. Hardly a secret either.

its a niche series, you faggots wouldnt understand.

Value on entering 45 empty caves

Kill yourself Itsuno you lying fucking chink

I really loved how removing the water made the map so much more open for exploring. It's a shame it's such a short post-game and not a full second half like the title card would have you believe.

Oh shit he is just fucking straight up lying okay alright

No Everfall.. No end-game enemy variety/change just an entire empty map with nothing but skeletons and the same cursed dragon dotted about.

he's right though. the shit enemy variety, low effort static enemy spawn spam and very poor gear rewards for exploration/dungeon diving makes the adventuring part of DD2 very disappointing. It just feels pointless.

Happy 13th to the most tooted mid series I've ever seen on this board
You are officially too old for me

full second half like the title card would have you believe.

When the card popped up I honestly thought there would be an entire second half too.

kek he knew, he knew. never noticed his expression before

You just want more and are disappointed because you got hooked on digital fentanyl. You'll never be lvl 1 again and have a Griffin randomly crash on you out of the sky. I had fun for the 70 hours it took me to finish the game, after that interest plummeted. I'll wait for a few years to forget most things, and start a new character. Even if it takes 10 years.

Can Kinoshita save dragon's dogma? He might be capable, it just seems to me that capcom hates dd for some reason

What the fuck are you on about you absolute retard, the game was constantly fucking dogshit

Of course he can, he shits kino

well he sure did SHAT some bitterblack KINO that one time...

He will get to make DD3, but the "trade-off" is the game will have pawns AND coop to bring in a bigger playerbase. Players will be able to play as their pawns in other players worlds.

friendless Anon Babbleirgins who hate the idea of people enjoying DD together will seethe even though its optional, but Capcom won't care and demand coop is part of the game as it will lead to far more sales.

trade-off

I don't think you know what that word means, people have been asking for DD Online since it came out

But think of the POTENTIAL

dropped DD:Dark arisen shortly after i got to some larger city

DD2 doesn't exist. Expedition 33 is my new favorite game.
Fine, I still like DD1 more, but seriously fuck Capcom.

he'll make his own monster hunter clone with climbing from dd with chinese money and you will regret making this post

So many doomers in this thread.
I had a BLAST with DD2

The character creator was the only good part of that steaming pile of disappointment.

POST THE COLLAGE FAGGOTS

I was disappointed with the game and my hype started to go down even before release, as it seemed pretty obvious something wasn't right with Itsuno and Capcom. Everyone could smell the development cockblocking/premature ejaculation from a mile away.
Even still, it's undeniable there was a coordinated trolling/shitposting brigade around here

Before the launch of DD2 the threads were full of spergs who would have a mental breakdown and absolutely seethe at anyone hoping DD2 would have coop. There's a portion of the fanbase who are utterly against it even though it would bring in far more players.

DD@ sold like shit and was universally panned. Capcom isn't doing so good financially, which means no extra chances.

So whose fault was it
Capcom?
Itsuno?
Investors?

Capcom for not believing in the IP, forcing a early release and putting embarassing MTX on day one.
Itsuno for being a boomer with misplaced priorities and an unclear vision

man with glasses has an unclear vision

well no shit

I was extremely hopeful for a decent launch but still tempered my expections like I did for the original DD. I expected an Ur-dragon and an Everfall type dungeon where you could grind out bosses which would have tided me over until the DLC.

I enjoyed my time playing it but I have no desire to replay it at all. I leveled up 3 of the vocations and turned it off.

3.7 million copies sold

do you think it made its budget back or is it a total flop? surely it can't be as expensive to make as their big monster hunter titles right?

ehh, its fine but its like what other anons have said, so much wasted potential. ive actually been thinking about it lately, the first half of the game is honestly really solid. it isnt until you get to the desert place where the game starts to immediately show all of its cracks. i dont think its terrible its just kind of mid which is arguably more infuriating

sliders plz

Capcom for not believing in the IP

There must be some real malice between capcom execs and itsuno

I feel mostly Capcom. They released it to end the financial year with a bang after other titles such as Exoprimal underperformed. The game needed more time for sure but its a sad reality that most games are screwed over by the suits. Itsuno screwed up too, with some things like vocations, the armor layering, characters and more.

Is it any surprise he quit the company?

Does it still hurt?

it does. i sure got bamboozled. and i usually never pay for games

He stayed on far longer than most Capcom senior devs. Supposedly the pay was too low as well for guys at his level. Itsuno stayed because he wanted to make DMC5 and DD2. I think he was going to leave regardless of how it turned out but them pushing it out early and possibly only as a MHW test was enough for him to walk.

In retrospect it's unsurprising but damn...

kind of hilarious they gutted the story too, then added pointless timewasting conversations to MH and sell it as "story"
now they have 2 shitty games, congratulations. could've saved the writing staff money and employed 1 more dude to make a couple more monsters and they'd have 2 good games instead

this, it still hurts not getting the expansion

It’s Capcom. They will just make an update that fixes everything and it will cost the same as the game, and get reboxed.

Are these the same spergs that believe we would get a 1k hour long game with 25 different classes after proving that we had already seen literally the entire game in trailers and there were only 9, neutered classes?

Would it even fix the game?

Yeah man, I am sure it was Capcom for not believing in the IP by giving the fucking retard infinite resources for years to make the game he wanted
Potentialman

Eh, I got what I wanted out of the game - made my wife as a pawn and had 130 hours of adventure. Game is flawed, just like the original and I wasn't expecting anything else.

yes, it would big time. the base game is incredibly fun. it just lacks content for fuck's sake

It very likely make a good profit
And STILL it was such a fucking piece of shit that the director got fired
Tells you everything you need to know

he wasn't fired rajesh

He got fired for making a dogshit unfinished game for the umpteenth time

n-no he wasn't fired he just quit after making a trash game he spent months lying about

keeeeeek

that face lmao

Never ever

he's probably making twice his capcom paycheck now while having infinite budget from the chinese to make his true vision come true, seethe

Don't forget they removed the moon AGAIN.

I agree. Even DMC 2 is better than that trash. Now that I think about it, the reason 2 was bad was cause of shitsuno's involvement.

moon dungeon expansion soon
BELIEVE IT

test

Capcom hates every franchise that isn't RE, MH and SF

lying about

Imagine telling people that DD2 is actually ass and people shouldn't even bother getting it

What kind of retarded narrative is this? DD2 was a commercial success, Itsuno most likely got frustated by Capcom pushing the game out too quickly.

It'll never not hurt.

Agreed. They couldn't even be bothered to make costumes for the game. Here's your shitty recolors but now you can buy Blue Orbs with real money.

AHAHAHAHA THE DD TRANNY IS STILL AT IT WITH THIS COPE
If it was such a success where is the DLC little troon?

refuses to put proper online co-op for both DMC5 and DD2 because of his autism

Somebody should've kept this idiot in check

It's the trooth

What was he even thinking with DD2?

schizoposting

SUMMER GAME FEST WILL BE THE DAY DLC WILL BE ANNOUNCED
you heard it here first

Why all the co-op begging? Just play some dedicated multiplayer game with your faggot friends and leave singleplayer games alone, dumb nigger

Because modern Capcom has fallen for the same pit trap as Squeenix, thinking that every release needs to be a big budget spectacle that appeals to westerners

Dragons Dogshit 2 is legetimately one of the worst games i have ever played

Can't wait for the Dragon's Dogma 2: Dark Arisen 2 announcement... I'm gonna have such a blast...

Never ever
Take the L

1.99$ has been deposited to your account

Maybe you can buy a teleport crystal with that, faggot

this is a commercial success

The co-op beggars are always the shitters that need to be hard carried in the likes of elden ring.

How about don't put half-assed co-op mechanic that just makes people want actual co-op in the first place then huh fucking retard?

DD2 hater is a fromfag

everytime. fuck off, nigger. fromsoft fucking sucks

So all games that sold less are flops?

It's fine in a vacuum but there are some distinct downgrades from DD1. Usually in a sequel you want to keep the things people liked while improving things they didn't. DD2 fixes things people didn't like but also ruins things people liked.

vocations like strider/ranger/assassin were reworked and dumbed down

vocations across the board only have 4 skill slots not instead of 6 meaning

sorcerer in particular has less spells on offer than DD1

archer (ranger) has skills that are literally tied to item use (special arrows)

pawn rating system is less in-depth

armor was streamlined to hell and back giving people far less options for customizing their look - probably one of the few things everyone loved about DD1. as a result most pawns look the same.

The Dragon plays little to no role in the story despite being one of the most iconic center-pieces of DD1's story. People still quote Grigori to this day.

DD2 has some strong points like the combat (I actually really enjoy the weightiness of DD2's combat, but some people prefer the snappiness of DD1) and the early game, but it all falls flat when the game is mind-numbingly easy. You CAN use all these unique debilitation mechanics and coordinate with your party, but why would you when you can just stack dwarf upgrades and mash attack on everything instead? The story is also significantly worse in DD2 as opposed to DD1 which had some very cool elements underneath the poor pacing. DD2's story is just a train wreck by comparison.

half-assed co-op mechanic

????????

From still winning

everyone wants to be like them

Seethe more

I warmed up to DD2. The fact that they essentially remade the first game only to make a plot twist out of it was pretty clever.
Would I rather they just made a proper sequel, evolved the game systems, and such? Yeah, but I get the vision at least.

still winning

upcoming 2 games are online only slop nobody cares about

There was a real lack of any meat in the endgame, too. The unmoored world was super-neat the first time around, yes, but it's a one trick pony.

DMC5 had sections that has co-op, DD is pretty obvious

Why all the co-op begging?

coop was literally the selling point of DMC3 Switch edition

the vision

ai-controlled non-player characters helping you out is a half-assed co-op mechanic

DD never wanted to be fromslop, you fucking gorillafaggot. it was always superiorrv4t4

I'm so happy slopma flopma 2 flopped. I hope all the trannies who made Anon Babble unusable before release with their shill spam roped themselves out of shame

it actually used online data

itsuno literally created the pawn system because he's too autistic to play with other players, so it's just a party combat but with AI

You tell them saar

OG fan here.
Nah, i'm just cynical about everything crapcom related.
They are pretty much dead for me

I don't get the appeal of Dark Arisen, I played it for 19 hours and got super duper bored, endless goblin encounters and backtracking, maybe when people play 2 they realise the original wasn't that good to begin with

It's crazy, it feels like a sequel never even happened.

I love both games. I had a blast with them.
I find it really funny how the reception for the second game is literally exactly the same as it was for the first upon its release, lmao.

Most people praise BBI, where DA actually begins.
But you should have at least beat the dragon first before trying it

2 wasn’t bad, it just failed to be better than 1
1 was a janky unfinished masterpiece, everyone wanted 2 to essentially be the “finished” version of 1

depends on what you expected from it, but it's worse than 1 on most fronts imo
personally I didn't like it because it felt worse to play than the first game, they went full realism slop with the character controls and it felt like shit to me

I had a blast.

it gets good after you beat it

fuck off

I still had fun with it

I dropped DD2 when I saw they pandered to furries

"See the Sphinx? Pretty cool shit, right? There are many more secrets like it in the game!"

there isn't

How did they get aways with it?

i trusted him, of course it still hurts.

capcuks are a cult

But concept art for the furries existed for DD1 already.
He was just not able to get them into the game

meanwhile, you can encounter a Sphinx roaming around on the first map in DDO

Wow... so epic

well there are. many quests have many different outcomes and they interact with one another. such as ulrika running away and becoming leader of that town, or the thief boy who you can help him out and set him with a job at either that alchemy shop or the brothel. Or the unmoored world as a whole.
but things likes this requires one to play the game blindly and sadly majority of players nowadays boot a game up with fextralife on the background showing le leet op “build”.

It's worse than the first which was already mediocre.

this, it's so tiresome

It was a good game. It wasn't as good as DD1 though and wasn't the game I wanted as a sequel.

Quest design is terrible
That desert placing having the same enemies every 2 seconds is terrible
Monster variety is terrible
Lack of dungeon variety is terrible
oxcart routing was boring and the enemies encountered is terrible
NPC interaction is terrible
I am disappointed, and my heart is broken. Tricksters and mystic spears have cool armor sets though. Might learn how to rip and port that stuff into Skyrim.

Quest design is terrible

filtered, stop reading