Why didn't you side with her, Anon Babble?

Why didn't you side with her, Anon Babble?

she a lesbo

Because I am not playing your slop, shillbot.

In the real world she isn't

There is not really any good ending.

The game shows us that the artist (child Verso), who is the origin of the work (Verso’s canvas), desires to bring it to an end.

It also shows us that Maelle refuses to listen to the very wish of the only part of Verso that remains in this world and even becomes physically aggressive toward child Verso to force him to continue painting.

So, the central question between Verso and Maelle is:
Do we consider that art belongs to the artist and that they have full authority over its existence, or do we believe that once art exists, it no longer fully belongs to them?
Should an artist be forced to continue a work even if it causes self decay? Should we allow others to decide the future of our creation?

EXTREMELY delusional and power drunk by the end.
You simply do not allow a 16 year old to play god.

Because I played this shit ass game for all of 15 minutes

Taking women seriously lol

I did. Fuck Verso. My only disappointment with the ending was that she let him age because he deserved to suffer forever.

How much are they paying you, Kumar?

I did but only because her ending isn't here yet.

Your thread is a flop, Ranjeet.

It is also a metaphor to The Crew's dilemma. Should devs (verso's child self) be forced to continue paying for the servers if one player (maelle) doesn't want to stop playing?

This entire game was made to make people debate about this. The Crew is a game made by ubisoft btw, and E33 devs are ex-ubisoft devs.

But I did side with her.

She's mentally ill and needs to face real life and stop being a neet.

You're both ignoring the fact that child Verso wasn't the only creative force inside the canvas and a lot of the world was made by others after him, before the game events take place.

Because she's a fucking idiot. Her (real) Dad makes a lot of sense and she needs to stop creating people just because her feelings are hurt and she can't cope with an inalienable fact of life (people die, you take it on board and move on stronger).
Gustave (who always knew what was best for her) would have tried to convince her but because he is a bit weak-willed when it comes to her he would have given in. The only way to make her see sense is the Verso option.
I quite liked her character until Act 3.

Answer the question, incelboy. Should Ubisoft keep "The Crew"'s server up and running or not?

WE WUZ HYLAINS AN SHIET

Shutting down the crew doesn't kill anyone.

Because she is a BBC whore. Typical French degenerate.

Tell that to the literal Anon Babble Anon Babble's anon that's suing Ubisoft right now.

What's more, you're not playing video games at all. Prove me wrong by posting titles of the 10 best games you've played in the last year. Otherwise, go back to discord/reddit/Anon Babble or wherever you came from.

And you're ignoring that Alicia is the entire reason this is all happening in the first place. All she had to do was not try to cozy up with the very Writers her family warned her about. And after she helped kill Verso with the Writers all she had to do was go to her mom and say, "I'm sorry, and I miss him too." But the narcissistic little bitch couldn't even do that.

you don't allow a 16 year old to play god.

Or women in general.

I could never not side with redhead female

The Dessendre familiy have been playing gods for their entire lives.
Killing their creations only makes things worse.

I did

Play xenogears

this made-up world is just as real as the real world!

if I chop my dick off, I become a woman!

what's the difference in maelletranny's line of reasoning?

Trying to beat Simon solo is really making me want to use my first color of lumina

Versofags are the ones supporting suicide.

she can't speak, only clea understands her chewbacca grunts.

The thing with Maelle is she got fucked over by Aline the first time she entered the canvas and was forced to live 16 years as a native. It makes sense she grows attached to it. Before that she was on Renoir's side.
To Maelle it's her home now, a much better home than the "real" one with a healthy body and a "alive" Verso.

Any anons wanna explain to me why white nevrons exist and who made them? Weren't the nevrons Clea's creation to prevent the chroma of Lumierians from going back to the paintress?

IIRC the first white nevron you meet says the paintress made him so he can bring light. I don't really understand that.

Also can an anon explain what caused the painted Dessendre family to break apart? Never really gets explained

It never felt like home to Maelle though.

it's almost like maelle/alicia was aline's puppet the entire time

If you found out we live in a simulation, would you want to die?

Clea did say she was gonna get painted over by her mother when she first entered cus she fucked up.

yeah, then she coincidentally lives a life which indoctrinates her into becoming unquestionably loyal to the painted world, including losing a loved one/a mirror to verso in that world

Part of her story is for her to realize that she was loved all along, that the people around her tried their best to provide her a place she could be loved but she was too immature to see that at the time.

Curious...

Aline didn't even know she was there. And she wanted her to leave as soon as she did.

When Verso is adamant to play the piano her face transforms into blue shit. Is she forcing him to play?

At the beginning of CH.3 during the flashback when Alicia enters the canvas, Clea tells her to take control and she fails, and she said because of that her mother is going to paint over her.

There's no way she didn't know.

It just how painters look while interacting with the painting. You see the same thing on Renoir's, Aline's, and Clea's faces.

You can hear a conversation between Renoir and Aline after Gustave dies and Painted Renoir pushes Maelle.
Renoir tells Maelle to stay and Aline tries to tell her to go home.

You're assuming the painting process is something she does consciously. Pic related is her realizing her daughter is in the Canvas in Act 1.

Why does your mind always loop around to trannies when no one's even talking about them? Are you in denial and going to become one yourself in a few years? Or are you just THAT obsessed? It's very sad to see.

Remember when Aline says, "I'm not crazy~!"

Well, she's crazy.

Yes and even before gustave dies, painted renoir and alicia show up at the camp and talk about how Maelle was just supposed to stay home. Alicia knew when she entered and repainted her nt omaelle so she could remain safely in Lumiere.

She's not talking about the canvas though. She's talking about bringing her along.

Bringing her along into the canvas. Obviously. To Aline "home" refers to their mansion in the real world not Lumiere.
Renoir even says "when this is over we will go home together". They are obviously referring to the canvas when they say "here" and to their real home in the outside world when they say "home".

Anon, you're making shit up. Rewatch the conversation if you can't remember the scene.

This is the most kino screenshot i've seen. I just wished the OP has used her canon hair for it.

Maybe my memory is bad then.

Aline is delusional and wants to live in the canvas with per painted family. Home means Lumiere, to her. Renoir is trying to drag Aline out specifically because he doesn't want her to consider the canvas home. To him, real home is home. Their fundamental differences are one of the biggest plot points of the game.
I think you're right, as evidenced by Maelle's first "nightmares" in camp.

most kino screenshot

Stand aside.

Aline is not as delusional as you want to portray. She literally talks about how Alicia is "too weak" for this. This only make sense in the context of being inside the canvas. Since we have seen no evidence that they can actually die by fighting.

Verso literally takes all of Gustave's shit off his dead body and walks into camp wearing his pictos

what the fuck is his problem

Home means Lumiere, to her.

is that why she's telling Renoir to go home later?

He's doing it for cause... It's different. It's different.

Talks about how Alicia is too weak as she, herself, is fading away.

She is very much in the grip of insanity. Having said that I just rewatched the scene and I think you're right, actually.

Because she's impulsive and delusional

Immediately after the Alicia flashback, they talk to real Renoir in the city and he also confirms that Alicia is already weakening and she can't stay too much longer in the painting.

fpbp

girl named Alicia

goes into a land full of wonders

Oh, I see...

demiurge does this to you

your response?

shid and fard and cum in my piano

correct there isnt really a good ending. which is not a bad thing. it makes it complex.

choosing maelle means choosing humanity. choosing verso means choosing the priority of the gods.

"Well, i only did what she told me to. Besides, Verso you have me now you dont need her" after erasing Painted Alicia

"You let Gustave die on purpose!? Yep i guess THAT happened. You are more important to me now so i forgive you. Want to paint something?" After find out the truth about Gustave's death.

"I know you are tired and want to rest but i cannot allow that. Verso You WILL stay with me and play piano for eternity."

Maelle is such a yandere imouto. I wont be surprised if she forces Verso to fuck her or do other kinky shits.

choosing maelle means choosing escapism

I don't know why maellefags keep pretending she gave a shit about the people of Lumiere. She literally only says one positive thing about them, and only after they die.

It's what I expect from her ending before she croaks.
Magically strapping verso to the bed abd fucking him in front of every single lumerian who is forced to watch and cheer.

Did anyone actually choose her ending for her or at least her alone? I didn't, it was all Lumiere.

Because i couldn't have sex with her

They did great to be honest. Put All niggers and faggots in the prologue, the only part that game sites reviewers play and then never show them again after prologue lol.

I don't know why maellefags keep pretending she gave a shit about the people of Lumiere

Her entire speech at the start of Act III pleading with her father is:

But I'm crippled

But this is all we have left from Verso

She not once argues the case for the lives of the people of the Canvas. They literally do not matter. They are ink.

So Lumiere won't last another decade in the painting
Good save.

Will my daughter actually fix the world?

The more time passes the more people on Tiktok start siding with Maelle.

At the start in the comments of every video about the ending where Versofags talking about letting go and now it's like

What the fuck man you can't destroy an entire world of living beings over a family drama.

No, Alicia killed her too.
She knew wasn't real and wanted to die anyway. The painted dessendres are the darkest among the fake, even Aline's masterpiece verso lacks critical memories.

She not once argues the case for the lives of the people of the Canvas. They literally do not matter. They are ink

And Verso doesn't care about anyone else, only himself. He's a hypocrite like Maelle. When he is defeated, he doesn't beg Maelle to run away from the painting and save herself, or plead to release child Verso's soul because he is "suffering", he is begging her to erase HIM.
His only words are about how HE doesn't want this life. Nothing about what's "right", or about Maelle/Alicia, it's all about himself being erased, and he's willing to take the world down with it.
Verso is a hypocrite liar who betrayed and got his sister to die from despair, he is responsible for the tragic endings as much as Maelle

Maellefags can't move on from a videogame

Checks out.

That world is doomed either way since it's just a canvas. You think after Alicia dies (and she will, very soon), the canvas who reminds the family of the loss of two children will be just abandoned in some basement?

I sided with gustave and lumiere, and the only one who lets that happen is alicia.

She's gonna need some help. A life to dream soon, I can feel it.

His only words are about how HE doesn't want this life

He actually asks her to make kid verso stop painting.
That's one more thought spared for any odt else than Alicia ever had.

Just STOP.

I haven't made this many threads about my favourite game of all time.
And I have been here since 2008.

He actually asks her to make kid verso stop painting

I'm talking about his last words after you fight as Maelle.
He doesn't actually care for soul Verso, he only wants the world erased so he dies with it.

Says who? Verso's ending is guaranteed to kill them all. Maelle's clearly isn't forever but perhaps enough to give them a happy life for a while.

Get BACK TO YOUR ROOM
I'm arguing with your father here.

And Verso doesn't care about anyone else, only himself

His entire dialogue in the end before the decision and duel is about Alicia and not himself. Play the game.

I'm talking about those

only you can do it

make him stop painting

Again, that's one more thought spared on Alicia and her state than she spared on the lumerians.

I played the game. He was lying, he always is. It's all a nice selfless moral smokescreen to hide his real goal.
When he thinks it's all over, he doesn't plead for Alicia or Verso's fragment, he begs for himself.

after Alicia dies

She won't. Her family isn't going to let her rot. It will be a Aline 2.0 situation, Clea and Renoir will have to do this over and over.

Again, that's one more thought spared on Alicia and her state than she spared on the lumerians.

And Alicia's "You can't decide this for everyone" is all the same. They're both selfish liars.

Dear Schizo troon,

Just leave—-we tire of you.

He says he doesn't want this life. This has many meanings. You can assume it just means he's tired of living because of tragedy he's experienced. This may also mean he doesn't want this life, the life of being a fake Verso used by his real mother and his real sister to refuse moving over grief and guilt. What makes Verso cross the portal is not the idea of living more in this world, it's the sight of his actual mother in pain, in real life, not just in the canvas.

As selfish as he is, it was also an act of selfishness.

but i did

You can't decide this for everyone"

That's during her fight, not her ending, don't up loving goalposts.

selflessness* not selfishness

Fuck off moralfag.

I'm not sure which is more kino

Last fight in the game is against the same person as the first fight in the game

or

Last fight in the game is playing as the person who was the first fight in the game

Maelle is for Gustave

LMAO LOONEYTROON SO FUCKING MAD

best part about the nogs in clair obscur is they all die within the first 10 minutes of the game

Why is Lune so much more popular than the other girls?

i'm a retard and missed why there is a countdown that removes everyone
i know the mom and dad are fighting over staying/leaving the canvas world and that clea made nevrons to help the dad but why is mom killing off everyone as well

She's not.

Renoir is the one causing the gommage but he can only do it to Aline's creations that are old. So she made a monolith to warn the people of Lumiere.

It's more that Renoir is trying to kill everyone and Aline is trying to protect everyone, but since Renoir is becoming increasingly powerful Aline has to prioritize saving the younger humans over the older ones, and each year she can save less and less.

The majority of Reddit picked Verso's ending so i am now a Maellefag

Stop loving evil women

R*dditors also breath, might as well stop now while you're at it

Aline in 30 years:

Yes, this makes sense. I'm saving the 3 year olds because I only have enough chroma, I must prioritize the important ones

Okay, hag, totally a great plan
Obviously the dumb bitch should have been prioritizing things like families and high performers, not "muh age" shit.

By the time she can only save teenagers Lumiere would already be pretty doomed

IRC the first white nevron you meet says the paintress made him so he can bring light. I don't really understand that.

He's confused, both groups assume the other is referring to the paintress. The nevron in Stony cliffs says that other expeditions described the "Mistress" to him, but that the description doesn't resemble his actual creator (Clea)

Also can an anon explain what caused the painted Dessendre family to break apart? Never really gets explained

It's an offshoot of the drama happening outside the painting, Renoir wants Aline out, Alicia is under Renoir's influence and Verso is tired of existence. Painted Clea was imprisoned, can't remember if it was by Aline or Clea herself, I think Clea to manipulate Simon into doing her bidding

wish for a golden ending

is denied it by V*rso

Gustave should've adopted her instead.

Why would I side with a whore?

alicia is haram

sciel is brown and ugly

lune is white and the least ugly

sophie is the best but barely gets screentime

Actually the only question is
Is slavery of men ok?
We know that you can and should enslave women, as it is morally right. But is it ok to enslave Verso?
The answer is no. Slavery of men is morally wrong.

>sophie is the best but barely gets screentime

Why did Gustave date someone who looked identical to his sister?

Alicia also enslaves Verso's soul, not the Painted Verso you have an irrational hatred towards. He wanted to stop painting. He makes it clear.

If you think about it, all the men in the real family are victims, but in the painted family it's the reverse.

Renoir: Victim. Painted Renoir: Abuser

Alicia: Abuser. Painted Alicia: Victim

Clea: Abuser. Painted Clea: Victim.

Verso: Victim. Painted Verso: Abuser.

Aline: Abuser. Painted Aline: ?

Kinda
Except that moment can't be abusers
It's morally right to hurt women

Verso getting put to rest and the family moving on seems pretty good to me.

Fuck I missed this, where is this told?

Gustave left all his shit for those who came after.
Verso came after.

Painted Verso starts to ressent his painted family. He still wanted to release Aline from the monolith, so maybe she could paint Julie back into life.

He didn't have to do his sister so dirty.
CEO-self-insert-kun, everyone lvoes him and the writing dickrides him.

It's the Verso journal entry.

Why is Painted Renoir an abuser but real Renoir isn't?

fuck the family. Lumiere matters more than that gaggle of sociopaths

Neither are

you are retarded

I had to make my narrative work okay, you'll see someone repost this on reddit for 2k updoots soon.

It is if you're not one of the people inside the painting. You are unplugging the simulation for all these fake people that wouldn't mind to keep living and have families.

Lumiere only exists through the enslaving of a dead boy's soul
TLD

Any anons wanna explain to me why white nevrons exist and who made them?

They are nevrons that Clea didn't paint properly. Clea is a perfectionist so she created one particular nevron to go and kill the white ones to erase them, you can meet him on a floating island and he explains the gist of it.

Kick the demiurges in the curb and out of the painting, and he'll be fine. It isn't like Painted Verso actually cares for him.

They aren't people to begin with. It's not like they're plugged in from somewhere else. They're completely fictional outside of child verso's soul.

because aline is an abuser and she painted him

Kick the demiurges in the curb and out of the painting, and he'll be fine

No he won't. He s still enslaved painting his eternity away.
The boy (Verso's soul) wants to stop. Painted Verso does not force him, he merely asks, the boy agrees and then Alicia pulls her weapon on them.

...

le plastic covid mask

she was always fucking insane

They're sentient, Renoir treats them as such and even validates their feelings, and he would know better than anyone else in the game. Calling them "fake" isn't even fair, they're just on a different plane of existence.

My GF calls me pah-pah now

First character in my gaming career I'd actually want to adopt

Renoir treats them as such and even validates their feelings

He mercilessly gommages people every year. He says Painted Verso's feelings are justified and immediatly tell him he's gonna erase him. That's not really treating them as real humans.

They aren't people to begin with

They have free will and fight back against the gods that created them, they were created through magic but they aren't mindless NPC's. The painters are guilty of genocide.
Child verso prefered music but he still liked painting. The conversations you can have with him after beating Clea and talking to the mother of sap imply he wouldn't mind carrying on with painting if his family would just stop fucking everything up and destroying themselves over it.

You and I could be fictional. Would you side with god and agree not existing at all is better if it was revealed we are in a simulation? It's like you said this isn't Inception. Pulling the plug means lights outs.

He mercilessly gommages people every year.

That's not really treating them as real humans.

The latter is untrue and it detracts from his character. He knows that what he is doing is cruel, he just has the conviction and strength of will to do it, because he believes it's necessary.

Shut the fuck up retard. People aren't disappearing and turning into paint around us.

He treats the entire thing as a regrettable act and difficult decision. He's not doing it flippantly like someone cleaning up their computer, but if you want to remove all emotional weight from his actions in your own mind, go ahead, but that is not consistent with how he acts in game.

The conversations you can have with him after beating Clea and talking to the mother of sap imply he wouldn't mind carrying on with painting if his family would just stop fucking everything up and destroying themselves over it.

Yeah, but his family won't stop fucking everything up and destroying themselves over living the canvas life, so his only solution is to stop. The ending comes after the optional content, and the very last scene Verso soul unequivocally wants to stop painting.

Notice how in the Verso ending, he offers the Verso Soul his hand and he willingly walks with Verso, but in the Maelle ending, it cuts to black and the boy is never shown again.

they're just on a different plane of existence.

It is a fake plane, however

What does that mean?

NTA but you're missing the point.
What you are arguing is that the existence of a higher state of being immediately invalidates all below it as having no value.
Flip the argument around, do you know if there exists a state of being above ours? If it is unknowable, is the value of our lives then unknowable? It's a poor philosophical foundation.

This is why the fate of the world was essentially sealed in the end of Act 2. Renoir won't budge, Alicia won't budge. Verso won't budge. The fate of everyone else are playthings in the hands of Greek gods full of character flaws and interpersonal drama.
If you ever wanted to route an alternate series of events, you'd have to diverge before that point.

are you fake if you were made by gods?

People aren't disappearing and turning into paint around us.

Neither did that happen for the people of Lumiere until one day it did.

No but I'll ask for fantasy and rpg mod packs

talk to soulVerso in Stone Wave Cliffs

he says he "knows us" and "seen us countless times yet never grasped our essence" because we "are not from here"

our essence is "familiar yet different" ... like everthing "she created" and "like the creature of darkness at the end of this path"

And then calls the enigmatic "her" as his sister, and obviously he's speaking about Clea, the creator of the "Dark Beast" (Lampmaster).

Huh, turns out the party really are all Clea's creations. Interesting.

You're arguing with people who made up their minds based on FFTA quotes and gigachad memes, m8.

yes.

I didn't see anyone pointing it out, but I liked the choice to show Palicia exclusively in black and white cutscenes at first, so when she shows up in an actual colored cinematic, it's striking to see her still in black and white.

They're all nameless sameface NPCs that have zero relevance and you never see again after the ten minute intro. The only black guy that actually goes with you dies a minute into the expedition.
Resetera was fucking boiling over it and it was fucking hysterical.

anon agrees with his own nonexistence to try to win an internet argument

If this game doesn't win GOTY, it truly is rigged.

He calls Verso "Aline's finest work". That's not aknowledging a person, that's talking to an artifact. A sentient, living, feeling artifact, but an artifact no less.

Renoir shows none of this remorse over erasing Lumiere as if they were real people. That is pure headcanon. The entire dialogue before the last boss fight is about the Canvas, Verso's soul, and what effect it will have on Alicia losing herself into it. Lune and Sciel talk some nonsense, he's like "cool, doesn't matter" and you fight.

Resetera was fucking boiling over it and it was fucking hysterical.

Are they? I read their Edge thread looking for a link to the E33 review and they were gargling its balls

kek

I did, im tired of these stupid lies of "suffering builds character" and "you gotta face the harshness of reality" when the very basis of civilization, from its inception to this very day, is all about building new ways to avoid both of those things; from artificial homes, modern medicine, laws of fairness, consistent sources of food, an even all the entertainment we now have.

This is the final stage of our evolution, a personalized reality that fits our very wishes with no adversity.

FUCK VERSO
FUCK MARCHE
FUCK ALL ANTI-ESCAPISM FAGS

you WILL suffer!

Every once in a while I get to have a good conversation that isn't interrupted by thought terminating memes, I'm chasing that feeling.

I want a sexy painter woman to rape me and dominate me in her canvas

sentient, living, feeling artifact, but an artifact no less.

Must be hard for him, considering what verso represents. No one thinks about Renoir in his family.

Go to bed Simon, Clea is not coming back

is the value of our lives then unknowable

As it is unknowable, it can exist.
For painted people, it's 100% certain that they have sentient creators who can erase and recreate them whenever they feel like it however they want.

Then he is overly apologetic to painted Verso and says he can only offer him oblivion. Oblivion being the loss of consciousness and sense of self, both of which would have to exist for oblivion to exist for any being.

Huh, turns out the party really are all Clea's creations

Nah Clea can only paint shitty ooga booga Nevrons

She looks like a Nevron

She can paint other stuff, she just thinks painting nevrons is fun, so she paints nevrons.

Expedition 101: Gustave and Painted Alicia are revived by Clea to take down Real Alicia, who's rapidly going mad with power with no one left in the canvas

would play

No one disputed painted people having consciousness or a sense of self. What is being argued is if Renoir shows any remorse towards erasing them, as he presumably would if he was killing real people, which he does not. None of the painters do.
Maybe they're all just sociopaths, but maybe it's simply because there's an ontological hierarchy and painted people are lower in it than habitants of the real world.

And he's not overly apologetic, he just apologizes for one line. Verso and Painted Alicia are the ones who suffer the most from what Aline did with the painted family, as they're aware of what they are and that their existance serves the delusions of their mother.

Verso journal directly mentions that the painted family thinks Julie is Clea's creation. She can paint people just fine, or at least the characters believe she can, even if we never see a normal person painted by her.

Clea painting ove Aline's humans

Would she stoop that low?
But seeing Simon form Gustave would be great unironically, give me more slopkino.

Despite a lot of her words, it's pretty obvious that Clea does love Alicia, so I think there's a chance that if she cmae back to find Renoir and Aline both ejected from the Canvas while Alicia was still in there fucking around, she might take matters into her own hands and come up with a way to force Alicia back out.

Because I am not playing your slop, shillbot.

t. a Writer

Clea tied up naked to a bed, as I Write slutty and humiliating sentences on her skin, which I thus manifest into reality.

It's not a bed, it's an ocean

There was a doujin with this plot I think.

he would've saved everyone

Hope only brings you suffering.

He didn't even have a passive on his weapons.

why did the writers firebomb Alicia?

Stupid teenager, easy way to wreck her family.

tfw no ending where Maelle is ripped from the painting but Monoco, Sciel and Lune break out and beat up all the painters and writers

They don't have physical bodies.
They can't even enter the core of the canvas without melting.

the gods of your world ending existence is good, actually

their patron saint is a whiny bitchboy

Versofags are cucks of the highest calibre

Was the writing team hating the rest of development teams supposed to be some kind of critique on the games industry?

They are just paint. They can't go out.

They'll get some outside help.

both writers and painters are no match for ... the khantent creators™

Your brother is dead, Maelle. Move on. Stop ODing on paint ink and go find a hushband.

Genuinely shocked by how many people defend the Maelle ending.
How the fuck can you defend that lmao

Spiting the demiurges, mainly. It isn't about Alicia, she deserves to suffer as well.

expedition 69 was the "climbing" expedition

French for climbing is escalade

escalade is French slang for "having sex with a very tall woman"

Why are the French so immature?

I don't think the dessendre's world is real.
I think all the painters are actually writers that got stuck in one their creations and other writers are trying to get them out.

I-it's her life

b-but she's a cripple

w-what about lumiere!

Only real argument is the third one and her ending shows it's just hollow.

Writing isn't real, retard.

It's Verso's world and he can do whatever the fuck he wants with it. Maellefags are the people who want to tell you how to live your life and also punish you for thinking about suicide.

painted Alicia and Gustave adventure in the Canvas battling leftover Nevrons to reach real Alicia

awkwardly throwing rocks together

helping him with his inventions

Teaches him painting

writing and reading each others journals

All the while she's smiling

She deserves the proper big brother experience after dealing with V*rso for a 100 years.

How can you defend Verso's?

t. P*inter

i need to hug and kiss her and then do a lot of unprotected hand holding. its stronger than me. also the same with real Alicia

Trust fund kid writes a story about the woes of a rich family, where the good ending is that the elite girl gets to live while the proles are destroyed to enable that

A bit on the nose, that.

Touched a nerve by suggesting the possibility your perception is limited?

How can you not?

after dealing with V*rso for a 100 years.

But he was a good brother to her before he left the family due to Aline's illness.
You can tell they got along well during the mansion scene.

Because weeaboos can't play games without hentai and Asian women (see: 33's sales in Japan) so they just watch porn all day instead. They will never play this game, just masturbate to it.

But he was a good brother to her before he left the family due to Aline's illness.

That did not end well...

The game's writing literally didn't want me to and went out of its way during her ending to drive home the point that I chose "wrong". Her ending felt absolutely hateful with the way it was framed.

Soul Verso and that clear BAD END narrative took all the ambiguity away in the last second, settled the argument, and took all the "choice" out of choosing the ending. Both didn't have good and bad points as far as the in-game writing was concerned, it was just black and white.

Alicia is extremely delusional

her ending is god complex overdrive

says she loves her brother but enslaves both versions of him

actively dooms the canvas by refusing to go out and not kill herself

People aren't really pro-Maelle, they're just anti-Verso. Look how butthurt they are about him. This is how you can tell that they're emotional and irrational like women.

Duh, he decides the real dessendres and Aline took priority over their fake family.
Aline wouldn't leave, ever, much like Alicia in her ending. But that's still like 50-60 years of a good sibling relationship.

Maelle = reddit

Gustave would side with Verso.

It's Verso's world

yes, REAL Verso's world, not the lying painted scumbag's
Verso's soul doesn't mind painting it as long as the rest of the family stop shitting it up and fighting each others inside it

NG+ after Verso's ending

can now see every single one of his lies, misleads, manipulations and withholdings of information

Nah, fuck Verso even more.

This is how you can tell that they're emotional and irrational like women.

Find a female that didn't choose Verso ending.

it all hinges on whether or not the people in the painting are 'real' or not, if they are then maelle's ending is unquestionably the best choice

For those that come after.

Just kidding lol painting lives don't matter lumiere was a mistake. "Die" for Maelle's hangups and Verso being tired

It's not so much anti-Verso as it is anti-Dessendre. The whole family is retarded and not at all equipped to handle the power they have.

painted Verso doesn't get a say because he isn't real

but all the other painted people are real and what they want matters more than anything

Once again Maellefags reveal their hypocrisy

Duh, he decides the real dessendres and Aline took priority over their fake family.

And he would be dumb for choosing the vile demiurges over this cinnamon roll who cared for him so much.
Verso didn't even give a shit about that, he just wanted to die, his final pleads before Alicia lobotomizes him isn't to save herself or save kid Verso, it's begging for him to be erased, only him. He doesn't want this life, nothing about how Alicia shouldn't also want it.

Women on ticktok love Maelle ending unironically
or so I've been told, I don't use that garbage

if they are then maelle's ending is unquestionably the best choice

copypasted npcs overdrive because she can't properly recreate them

not even their clothes

Lumiere is not fixed at all

canvas still has an expiration date the moment it looks like she's about to die

No, it's even worse, she doomed them AGAIN to live out a hollow fantasy.

Deserved. Verso was a fucking snake who lived so long he was not only tired of his life but everyone else's too. In another game, that sounds like a villain. In this one we just have to understand because these real people with hopes and fears do not matter as much as these other people because they were made wrong

This, sadly. If you want a "good" ending for Lumiere, you'd have to diverge in Act 2. Otherwise, a purgatory is all you can get.

Commiting suicide in a paralel dimension you hold complete control over as a Goddess is better than moving on from losing your brother and being with your real family that loves you

Not really.

Verso doesn't want to be a slave kept alive against his will for eternity

this makes him a bad guy

???

it's begging for him to be erased, only him.

He literally tells Alicia to stop kid verso from painting right before he starts begging for death. She literally sends some kind of shockwave at him as he tries to get close to kid verso.

Verso didn't even give a shit about that,

Literally ignoring the WHOLE reason he's hellbent on stopping the paintress.

That isn't true at all. Youre taking only his last, mortally wounded words instead of literally everything that comes before it, before the duel, etc.

Yes, and Alicia is inexcusable for dooming every being in that world to erasure because she refuses to take a break.

copypasted npcs overdrive because she can't properly recreate them

Is it implied that all the people that Maelle brings back at the end aren't exactly as they were prior to getting gommaged?

Kill 2 gods who can create untold amounts of life and trap a soul who wants to die for eternity

Or let a world that was already destroyed stay dead.

HRMMMMMMMMMM

If only the ending emphasized that even remotely instead of focusing on Verso and Alicia and how horrifying their fates must be. The painted people amount to nothing more than props

Why can't Alicia just be less of a cunt?

Youre taking only his last, mortally wounded words instead of literally everything that comes before it, before the duel, etc.

His last words are where his real motivations are shown. Before that it's moralizing, excuses, manipulation, all to frame the destruction of the world as a good thing, which would also take him with it.

All while watching his real mother and real sister commit suicide, and "his" real soul be enslaved to the canvas

why do I give a fuck about one girl with a burned-out face when an entire universe is (potentially) at stake

Every painting is real. The painters can make trillions of more people. Are their lives not worth living?

Verso was a fucking snake who lived so long he was not only tired of his life but everyone else's too. In another game, that sounds like a villain. In this one we just have to understand because these real people with hopes and fears do not matter as much as these other people because they were made wrong

It's a matter of framing. Verso is framed by the game extremely positively to invoke sympathy, so his straight up malicious actions are downplayed or absolved. I genuinely don't know if it's an intentional writing technique to add nuance, or if he was carried away with propping up his DMC OC.

it's ambiguous but yeah I agree that she made a shitty puppet world, but still, given it's ambiguous I would err on the side of caution before I commit mass genocide

Potential life is not counted in discussions like these, otherwise your ballsack would be more precious than a kindergarten.

why isn't anyone talking about this?

That universe is just ink and oil on a canvas, the dreams of a deceased boy and the heroin trip of a mother who can't get over his death

and every human egg on earth right now could be inseminated, what's your point

It is what it is. Thus works creation magic in this world.

Because the explanation is that the devs didn't want to waste money creating a bunch of high quality main character level models for characters who have 5 minutes of screen time total, so they changed the hair and outfit and hoped nobody would notice.

AGAIN to live out a hollow fantasy.

Sounds like they should have just given up before Expedition Zero. There is no hope, no point in struggling to fix or improve things, just accept the inevitable (but not you Alicia, things can get better for YOU!)

Anon Babble didn't side with Marche so why would they side with her?

The painters WILL paint. You wont ever fuck a girl to get her pregnant. Thats the difference.

okay, but are you sure about that? I'd need to be pretty certain before I pulled that trigger that collapses a reality that may or may not contain real living beings kek

But Verso is Marche.

People are sexually attracted to people who look and act like their parents.

Golden sequel soon.

Yes, pretty sure, everyone that exists in Lumiere exists because Aline wanted to populate her new home to live with her fake family, while punishing a simulacrum of the daughter she believes responsible for her son's demise.

There was no reason for his sister to have top quality model right?
Anyways it just threw me off completely and I kept thinking if it implied something that would later be explained.
Given all the other details and how these mattered it was a huge blunder from the studio, but I understand that sometimes deadlines don't work out so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

NOO VERSO DESERVES TO DIE HE IS SUFFERING

THATS WHY MAELLE THE STUPID BITCH SHOULD JUST ACCEPT SUFFERING EVERY DAY AS A FUCKING CRIPPLE IN A SHITTY FAMILY THAT HATES HER LMAOOO

Verso ending is a literal midwit choice.

isn't that Sciel's husband a bit similar to Verso? could that mean the painter is unskilled or is it something else

It's time to man up.

Sounds like they should have just given up before Expedition Zero. There is no hope, no point in struggling to fix or improve things, just accept the inevitable

youtube.com/watch?v=VIs_82VxUHE

Non-White? He looks nothing alike except that they're both White with dark hair and beards.

a 16 year old roastie might die, billions must gommage

c'est fini

I also thought Sciel was dead because her and Catherine look so similar, and I was confused by a few hours why no one was talking about her being alive when I saw her impaled

I will forever stand for those desperately fighting for their freedom against incomprehensible danger to their very existence.
Fuck Verso and fuck Alicia, eternal hell for both of them.

same guy as sciel saw in the flashback with the sirene

he looked like an arab here

Precisely. I really liked him and the story, warts and all, up until that point. But I just wish Lumiere hadn't become such an afterthought, and Verso hadn't been treated as the obvious and only correct choice for an ending. That's not a problem with the story itself its a problem with the way its framed. All the elements are there but I'm being told "that doesn't matter"

No because that would require the ending delve into their existence at all outside of them being props for Alicia and Verso's tragedy.

yeah ok, I agree. the same guy
I guess my Verso was using this hairstyle too much, I'm white I promise

IT'S NOT FAIR

she's messed up in the head by the time we get to pick the endings

I will not let go of Lumière, the only people who deserve dignity in their existence. It won't be robbed by a suicidal villain, not a psychotic teen demiurge.
Also I took all the gold from the Sierra Madre. Fuck you

and Verso hadn't been treated as the obvious and only correct choice for an ending

I would prefer it if Maelle's ending wasn't shown to be that creepy and sad. Perhaps by showing the people of Lumiere actually doing stuff on their own before showing that Maelle is directing her muppet show.
As for Lumiere generally being an afterthought, I think the tragedy of the painted people's fate being dictated by gods that don't even care about them was interesting in itself.

writers tease a compromise ending

never follow through

what the fuck did they mean by this

As for Lumiere generally being an afterthought, I think the tragedy of the painted people's fate being dictated by gods that don't even care about them was interesting in itself.

It's very Greek tragedy esque. Yay, there's catharsis for Alicia while everyone else fucking dies.

emotional moment when nobody gets resurrected[/spoiler

nah just gommage it all

Seriously what's the point of the entire game in Verso's ending?

SHE DESERVES TO BE HAPPY

Let her cook. She's already cooked as is.

I did it for her.

reminder that the maelle that truly loved gustave didn't exist after the total gommage of act II

Aline and Alicia stop living in their ideal false world and attempt to move on from Verso's death, as a family?

Compromise? 67 years I did in the monolith. I wanted to fuck a woman, I compromised, I jacked off to a sirene. I wanted omelette du fromage, I compromised, I ate grilled gestral off the canvas. You see where I'm going with this?

why didn't he show alicia/maelle the letter, there was no risk at that point and verso was still on board with completing the mission

How the fuck would the compromise even work? The woman moment is too powerful they cant control themselves

She saw the letter, it doesn't change anything

HE WAS A BRAVE LUMERIAN EXPEDITIONER IS WHAT HE WAS, AND IN THIS HOUSE VERSO IS A HERO, END OF SUBJECT

The white Nevrons are original Painted Clea leaking out.

if the residents of lumiere aren't real then why would renoir apologise to painted verso before he planned to annihilate them? seems like an odd thing to do to non-sentient beings

Because Painted Verso was given the real memories and essence of the real Verso, unlike other denizens of Lumiere who were painted just to be extras in Aline's Second Life game

Verso withholding the info was malicious. If it had happened earlier, it may have mattered

shadowfart VA

He opens the letter to read it himself mere moments before the mass gommage happens

Only if you played in english, In french however...

For starters, Lumierans achieving the agency over their own existence that they'd been struggling for since the first second we learned of the game's premise.

But how?! They're just data--er I mean, they're just ink!!!

They're capable of innovation, such as the Lumina converter. I'd have liked even the vaguest hint that maybe they could figure out a way to take control of their own lives and take the future in their own hands but, nope. Everyone saying they were doomed from the moment Aline painted them into existence is proven right, there was never any hope, these characters never mattered outside of Aline's despair, Alicia's angst, and Verso's sad little canvas gremlin

C'EST LA VIE

what a lazy faggot

Yeah, I meant to write Anon Babble sided with Marche, but then again who remembers those shitposts.

what does this look mean and why do women keep giving it to me?

real sister gives him a final shittest after watching him for a while

he fails

she kills herself

well done retard

He knew exactly what it was going to be about.

Everyone saying they were doomed from the moment Aline painted them into existence is proven right, there was never any hope, these characters never mattered outside of Aline's despair, Alicia's angst, and Verso's sad little canvas gremlin

This is why the story has been souring on me massively as I think about it over these weeks. There's nothing there outside muh themes.
I'll just headWRITE a less dogshit ending choice and move on with my life