Doom 2016 has Samuel Hayden...

hell no

nah, tier below

Because the developers do give a shit about the story and it sucks, retard? You'd have a point if the games had no plot at all, but they do.

minimal first person cutscenes

Doom 2016 is quite possibly the only game to have ever tried doing Half-Life 2 style cutscenes outside of HL2 itself, and they're still just as awful as ever

let's not act like Hayden was cool in 2016. Such a nothing character who was obviously evil.

I liked how intimidating the enemies and the whole atmosphere were in 2016. In Eternal once you get the SSG attachment you basically become Spider-Man which can be fun for sure but not the best for a Doom game.

Maybe it's a bit exaggerated but Hayden in 2016 is the only thing approaching an interesting foil for Doomguy in the entire franchise.

I do, it was fun to play and I liked the music.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO STOP HATING MY SLOP!!!! STOP NOTICING MY SHIT SMELLS!!!!

Zoom Eternal and Slop Ages are utter trash and their shit excuse for a plot premise are just the stink lines on the pile of shit the later games were.

The tone shift between 2016 and Eternal was so strange. I liked Eternal more gameplay wise, but the writer change was very obvious. I liked 2016's tone with an amoral corporation knowingly extracting energy from demons and having their enforcers silence anyone who acted out. It's a different take compared to Doom 3 where no one knew about the demons, while everyone in 2016 did and still pushed forward.

Same with the evil lady being in crippling pain due to her cybernetics which led to her going crazy, and how somber she was at the end when she got turned into the spider mastermind. The difference between her and the wacky skeletor sounding hell priests (Who she was retconned to be working with) was huge.

Because it's been presented for my consideration. Because it ties the experience together. Because it has the potential to elevate the whole, and it did, up to a point. You dull ape.

eternal unironically had too many buttons to press which means the "balance" equates to just gauntlet'ing a 1000 demon onslaught that gets monotonous when you're QTE'ing from enemy to enemy to stay alive for the 10,000th time

demons/angels as aliens is marvel
tier garbage

You miss unskippable cutscenes that completely remove control from the player? That was literally the worst thing about 2016 aside from maybe glory kills.

"Maykr" literally sounds like something out of a parody shitpost

it's exactly what a 13 year old writing 40k fan-fiction would think is epic

Paying attention to DOOM story

Sony and their influence has been a disaster to the videogame landscape

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!! STOP PAYING ATTENTION TO THE STORY PRESENTED!!!!!!!!!!!! DADDY CARMACK SAID ITS LIKE A PORN HAVING PLOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! STOP HATING!!!!!!!!!!!!

massive cope

I mean the entire point is he's not obviously evil. We know mining fucking HELL for infinite energy and treating Demonic incursions like you would the risk of a coal mine having collapses or the risk of black lung is a terrible idea, but Earth is undergoing an energy crisis that means without a silver bullet that BILLIONS will die anyways because earth's infrastructure would collapse without the infinite magical violation of thermodynamics hell energy being siphoned off to power the entire planet's grid.
Doomguy doesn't give a shit what Hayden's justifications for dealing with demon shit is, he hates demons and kills them on sight period, but you can at least understand why a genius like Hayden who's genuinely trying to benefit the many would be frustrated with Doomguy's black and white stance on what is, to be fair, a pretty black and white issue: HELL IS A BAD PLACE, DEMONS ARE BAD, STAY AWAY.

Then you have them both needing to cooperate to deal with the real problem, which is retards not just seeing Hell as a dangerous uranium mine you can use for free energy, but actually doing deals with demons and engaging in straight up satanic blood sacrifice and demon worship because they don't just want electricity, they want immortality and a cure to all their physical ailments. Neither Hayden nor Doomguy think that's remotely a good idea, so even if they disagree on whether it's worth demonic incursions to siphon Hellfire to power hospitals, all the cultists obviously need to be fucking shot in the head with a Super Shotgun.

Resolving the energy crisis off-screen undercuts the entire existence of Doom 2016, the whole point was that MINING THE FUCKING ETERNAL DAMNATION DIMENSION FOR CHEAP ELECTRICITY was a bad idea but they were genuinely out of options and didn't want a stone age collapse killing billions

contrarians have run out of talking points so now they complain about the element the inventor of the genre disregards completely.

terminally ill industrialist build himself a 3 meter tall robot body to stop from wasting away

finds the portal to hell and goes "drill baby, drill"

nurtures managed hell cults to make angry jetpack skeletons for the military and to refine energy production

does everything to squelch the outbreak, despite differences with doom guy

He's perfect for the part, mad scientist and a man-made horror in one charismatic package.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DOOM CAN'T BE A COMICBOOK CHARACTER!!! I WANT LE SERIOUS STORYTELLING LIKE IN GAME OF THROENS!!!!!

Doom definitely still has a story, if you were killing generic gray blobs in gray corridors it wouldn't be nearly as successful or memorable as "HOLY SHIT YOU'RE FIGHTING A FUCKING DEMONIC INVASION ON MARS!"
a simple story with a good hook is still a story. A fucking marine killing demons with a chainsaw and shotgun in space is a cool story. The maykr shit is retarded and not cool

Doom definitely still has a story, if you were killing generic gray blobs in gray corridors it wouldn't be nearly as successful or memorable as "HOLY SHIT YOU'RE FIGHTING A FUCKING DEMONIC INVASION ON MARS!"
a simple story with a good hook is still a story. A fucking marine killing demons with a chainsaw and shotgun in space is a cool story. The maykr shit is retarded and not cool

Nu-Doom is forced cool.

Doom 2016 has Samuel Hayden, the head of the UAC facility on Mars who very clearly thinks extracting energy from Hell is a good thing even if he doesn't like demons

HE CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT

It's obvious that they didn't expect such sudden popularity so they decided to hire dude-bros to write their marvel comic book slop stories for their sequels.

Dark Ages is not the villain of this story. It's still Eternal.

nah eternal was already stupid with

doom guy has a tony stark space ship with his own AI butler

You should have been traveling hell ravaged earth on foot or with some ramshackle vehicle and getting attacked

doom guy can now beam anywhere!

lame

make dark ages a prequel

no 2016 cyberdemon rematch

cringe

I blame "lore" youtube people for this, they mined the game for a story where there was none and then Hugo Martin high on his own farts went balls to the wall stupid with the He-Man crap and decided that Samuel must also be your Dad.
Even recently I saw some of you guys thinking the game suggest the Doomguy was the random guy mentioned whose son became the Icon of Sin. Whack.

"I'm willing to take full responsibility for the horrible events of the last 24 hours but you must understand, our interest in their world was purely for the betterment of mankind."

But Hayden was cool.

In DMC netflix series USA also invaded hell and started mining resources.

16:18:27

16:17:51

eh, sure. but to me i never give a shit about the maykr space lotr shit. to me the essence of nudoom is just batman dropping in and beating up some goons while regular humans around him go "HOLY SHIT THAT'S JOHN DOOM"

not predictive programming at all.
we will definitely not over-extend and piss off real-life demons in the future

Doom 2016

good

Oxymoron

vehicle sections in fps games suck hugo

Hell dragon could've been cool, but the execution was utter garbage

D00M was lightning in a bottle

what about the airboat from HL2

Remember the first showcase for Eternal? It had a very 2016 esque tone to it. First person only, actually fun portrayal of doomguy interacting with humans.
Then something happened. 3rd person cutscenes, retarded capeshit, dumb lore overload.
Something happened mid-development.

Yeah I liked them much more than what we got now

It's basically technological terror vs mystical horrors.
Basically giving magical girls modern weapons.

didn't care for it but HL relies a bit much on set pieces

I blame Marvel. Especially in the second DLC with the portals opening.

This.
The player isn't even quick swapping weapons on his gameplay.

I suspect every White man at Id was fired after Doom 2016.

this massive cope

Holy shit, contrarians are really struggling

Why would anyone give a shit about this in a game with skippable cutscenes?

don't like nuDoomguy suit, they should stick to a more classic one

my favorite vehicle section in fps was rage where you could just strafejump faster than the car

Doom 2016 had restraint because they were nervous about bringing Doom back. This restraint it turns out is exactly what made the story shockingly good for a Doom game.

It was a huge success and they effectively reclaimed Doom for themselves, now there's no need for restraint anymore because everybody loves you. That is the story of them dropping the ball on everything that isn't the gameplay, or I guess even the gameplay depending on your outlook, although I would say that Eternal is waay better than 2016 as far as raw gameplay goes. But the story is dogshit

i've seen that happen with me the other day, website's still fucked from the hack, luckily i wasn't stupid enough to double post like that anon but my post went late with an earlier date than the post above

I really like the redesign with full body armor, even though it's kinda make him looks like John Halo, but I just really like cool armor. Not a big fan of whatever they did with it in eternal and dark ages. It's neitger too simple as original doom guy and not too cool as full armor.

They're mistake was playing into the doomguy power level wank in 2016 in the first place, the fans lapped this shit up and set the stage of eternals escalation.

Founded in 2015, the Union Aerospace Corporation is the largest corporate entity in existence. Originally focused on weapon and defense contracts, new ventures have expanded into biological research, space exploration and other scientific endeavors. With unlimited funds and the ability to engage in research outside of moral and legal obligations, the UAC controls the most advanced technology ever conceived.

Imagine the sequel of 2016 being (You) versus Welyand-Yutani/Tyrell/Lockheed Martin. Would have kino especially with the corporate hellscape we have right now.

Nowhere close as Eternal's soundtrack
It's around 2016's level but lacks any heavy hitters like BFG Division, which puts it below.

I don't think ID Software understood what was cool about him in 2016 at all.

I don't think I understand what was cool about him either
I actually think this retarded shit wasn't cool whatsoever

the story shockingly good for a Doom game

pfffft come on now, Doom 3 had a more interesting storyline than Doom 2016. Doom16 is just 3 characters occasionally talking to Doomguy.

That's the problem.
No one really cared about 2016's story, including the developers. Everything about it felt like a deliberate after thought, which was cool.
Eternal and Dark Ages ruined the mood and read the room wrong by leaning way too hard on exposition, muh deepest lore, and marvelization of Doomguy.

lame imp design. I really wish they would make an imp that actually looks like a demon and not a bug. Think OG Doom's box art.

The imps in the Dark Ages are pretty close to the OG imps, I appreciated that.

It's a different take compared to Doom 3 where no one knew about the demons

That's not true at all. UAC knew about the demons. They were catching and studying them, and sending them to Earth in classified cargo. You can see this in the very beginning of the game, before you even reach the security checkpoint. Then, a bit later, you see an obsessed zombie in the medical bay. Very late in the game, you see an archaeological dig site with stone engravings about demons and demon technology. The UAC knew everything about Hell in Doom 3, which is why Betruger betrayed humankind — he knew exactly what he was in for

dooomslaya hunted the normal imps into extinction so by 2016 they are all insectbugs

Gayden, the decrepit witch and the zesty AI were never cool. They were like putting onions in your protein and testosterone milkshake. Completely out of place. A true Doom game doesn't really need a story btw.

I really wish they would make an imp that actually looks like a demon and not a bug. Think OG Doom's box art.

I'm not sure I even understand you
Show me a single imp in this image
Those are barons of hell

Eternal and its consequences have been a disaster to the Doom franchise.

I wish the devs thought the same.

play 2016 without giving a fuck about story

all you can gather is that they opened the gates of hell to extract energy and caused a mess

play Eternal without giving a fuck

mandatory cutscenes, capeshit, gods, angels, chosen one, rituals

Part of the charm in 2016 is that the game acknowledges (You) the player don't care about the deep lore backstory to this shit AND that DOOMGUY doesn't give a shit what excuses UAC has for fucking around with demons and hell energy, so you'll literally have a background character giving a brief explanation of something that's still easy to understand even with Doomguy not paying any attention or ignoring their directions. Argent Energy is mined from hell, energy good but hell bad, hey Doomguy can you please try not to break all the good stuff while you're killing the bad demons, okay fine whatever just do what you want since you're not gonna listen to me anyways

Not in halo.

mandatory

you can skip every cutscene

"literal coolest thing ever"

its actually the most gayest thing ever

why are nudoomfags like this?

2016 is the game with forced cutscenes, why are 2016 fans so retarded?

Halo isn't good

I feel like Halo is the only game series where vehicle sections aren't some excuse for an on-rail cinematic.

still no doom with the gameplay of eternal and thetone and art style of 2016

>Presumably this'd lead to you fighting robots

Who the fuck was expecting this?

Tone yes but the demon designs in 2016 are mostly ass

holding this isn't another 'Anon Babble fellates Eternal' thread you're going against the zoomoid narritive.

I think Eternal dethroned Borderlands 2 as most repulsive game writing of all time. When Samuel Hayden talks about THE BLOOD PITS OF RHARGUH WHERE THE SOULCHASM FORGES OF XIANNYA TORTURE PRISONERS I think I felt physical pain. It's so fucking bad.

Who cares about story in a Doom game?

This is extreme cope from brainlets. A good story, in any form, improves any game. The proof of this is 2016. 2016's story was very thin, but it was relatively well-delivered. It was cool. I liked reading about the demons of the facility in the codex, Sam Hayden is a very cool semi-villain. The only part of 2016 that was clumsy was the HL2 "cutscene" where you just sit in Hayden's office for 5 minutes.
Eternal is better than 2016 in the pure gameplay department but EVERYTHING else is so much worse that 2016 remains the far better experience.
Just as a small example, in 2016 you get new weapons from the environment diagetically, but in Eternal they made them glowing cartoony power-ups. It's a change that saves functionally no effort or money, it makes the game less cool, and it only exists for old washed up hacks to pay lip service to the more arcadey video-gamey doom wad era when there's no reason to and doing it ironically makes it LESS like what the wad era was going for.

wathc italian and french erotica movies, then you'll understand that porn with plot is kino

artificial cool

a cool game with forced cutscenes is better than an uncool slop embarrassment with skippable ignorable ones

and it only exists for old washed up hacks to pay lip service to the more arcadey video-gamey doom wad era

It exists because it's possible to miss certain weapons in Doom 2016, and they really didn't want people to miss those weapons.

Hugo Martin took over

Who cares about story in a Doom game?

Even if you ignore the story the fact remains that on an artistic level half the stages are based on the retarded story. So instead of playing through something that looks cool i'm playing through the stupid mayker sentinel shit, or whatever it's called.

We're already doing that with pushing the limits of silicon, delving into (((quantum))) computing, and exploiting AI (demons trapped in matricies made to mimic humans)

Like an air conditioner?

Amazing how they ruined him in Eternal

Hayden was supposed to represent humanity's genius and tenacity, as well as its hubris and overconfidence. In Eternal it turns our he wasn't even human, but a weird alien angel.

His motivations in Eternal also seem contradictory to what was established in 2016. In 2016, he was someone who was willing to go to extremes for the sake humanity, extracting energy from literal hell, and even allowing cultists in his organization to better understand hell. All of this he deemed "worth the risk" as humanity is faced by a profound energy crisis.

In Eternal, he wants to destroy Argent energy, as he seemingly always knew it was from tortured souls in hell. On top of that, VEGA, who was a corporate superintelligent AI at his service, a servant that he was willing to sacrifice to achieve his ends, is now suddenly "The Father", literally God. And now Hayden is at his service, willing to do anything for The Father, even though it was Doomguy who saved VEGA unprompted. Makes no fucking sense.

it's not a cod clone/mil shooter with a 2 weapon limit

That's it. It wasn't better than any 90s shooter but it had potential to grow. Then that fat spic gave us Eternal and killed everyone's interests

You’ve won. It’s over. You stopped the invasion and closed the portal. But it’s come at a price. Argent, VEGA, this entire operation. You see, I’ve watched you work, come to understand your motivation. You think the only way is to kill them all, leave nothing behind. And you may be right. But we can’t just shut it all down. Without Argent energy it will be worse. I don’t expect you to agree. But with this, we can continue our work. I am not the villain in this story. I do what I do because there is no choice. Our time is up. I can’t kill you, but I won’t have you standing in our way. Until we see each other again.

youtu.be/-b8rpII_fgc?si=vfo3dsxeMYmxE0Lm&t=59

Introduce AI in 2016

mostly notable for in a game of all kinds of demon and man made horrors being they only one that doesn't fuck over Doomguy

Sacrifices itself for you, Doomguy has a small moment backing him up

Queue Eternal

Lolno he wasn't just an AI didn't happened to not go mad, he was actually God

fucks sake, why?

ERM YOURE LE IN CONTROL OF LE BUTTONS YOU PRESSSSS

I have many regrets, Dr Hayden

This is a quote in DOOM 2016. Explain this line in the context of him being a man made AI. He was always planned to be God you fucking moron.

oh how about his regrets being him helping Hayden UNLEASH A DEMONIC INVASION

I already do. I'm growing my collection of European porn from the 70s through the 90s, especially BD rips. Most of the time I end up getting invested in the plot.

He could regret that he wasn't able to stop the invasion, when I heard it my mind certainly didn't go to "oh he's God"

It's Doom who cares about the story!

I didn't play Doom 2016 for the story, I played for the gameplay. The Story was just good enough that it got me to care about it. It acted exactly as how it needed, just a couple of people who fucked up and Doomguy as the angry accidental Savior. Eternal then removed the human elements of those characters with the Makyrs and making Doomguy a literal Savior. The shift in Tone is annoying because the 2016 actually got me to like the tone of the story.

If he was planned to be God why did Hayden blow him up to send Doomguy to hell? Makes no fucking sense, unless you pull an asspull "The Father foresaw you saving him" bullshit.

Back then it was widely understood to be a reference to the fact that VEGA, being a superintelligent entity, actually developed conscious awareness, and wasn't just a glorified Alexa. As such he felt regret over the many thing he, Samuel and the UAC did over the years.

even numale game journos aren't happy with the Marvelization of DOOM
youtu.be/Fmi4-aBK32Q?t=299

it's just a basic level bit of subversion: the only character in the entire game that shows any humanity is the AI
which is on point for 2016

Still better than dark ages

a prequel set before eternal or 2016

dosnt solve any lore holes or explain anything

dosnt show how doom guy was trapped, or how the planets fell to demons

dosnt show the betrayer doing anything

dosnt show hayden or the father or any characters we know ( expect the kind that does nothing either )

2 hours worth of cinematic to set up a new female character around who entire plot revolves

despite she get only like 3 spoken lines in them, gets few come lines telling where to go, we learn fuck all about her, or her character

turns out shes a god or something, and can use magic

this goes nowhere

by the time 2016 takes place shes obviously dead and her world destroyed

how the fuck do you make a prequel, that in no way or form ties into the 2 previous games????!?
how fucking hard is it to write a coherent sequel

I would say only the Mancubus was a contentious design. For the most part 2016 nailed the modern reinterpretation of the 90s designs, which is why they were mostly reused in Eternal (and made worse for the Revenant)

Cacodemons were arse in 2016

MCU TIER EPICS

Define this for me?
I see people throwing it around a lot but I'm not entirely sure I understand what it's meant to describe.

Martin just wanted to create his epic Marvelesque fantasy, and is using Doom as a vehicle to do that. It being a prequel seems to be more of an excuse to do a soft-reboot by this point. Unless the DLCs tie to the Betrayer, the Wretch giving Doomguy the modern Praetor Armor and being entombed under a temple, it won't feel like a prequel at all.

I'm so sad the start of eternal wasn't about hunting this cunt down in his robot form and killing him.
After how sick they made doom guy in 2016 it felt so cucked that we had to take multiple yap sessions from this guy.

That ugly cunt should have been cut from the game. She singlehandedly ruins what should be a story about Doomslayer and King Novik cause I'd really like to know what caused King Novik's heelturn.

Also, isn't this bitch, being a wraith and shit, going to just be imprisoned in Hell? Isn't that what happens to the Wraiths in 2016?

No they were the big floaty head things.

They were very faithful to the original (compare to Doom 3), but desaturated and without irises to make give them a more "realistic" and unsettling look. Eternal literally just gave them the irises and color back.

that faggot Hugo Martin happened
he was put in charge of doom in 2018, and ever since it went downhill, before that it was Marty Stratton responsible for the reboot
Marty Stratton is a faggot too which what he did to Mick Gordon shows, but at lest this retard knows how to design a game

At least he made good gameplay decisions in Eternal
But everything else, from the gamey tone he pushed for to his apparent obsession with capeshit were a miss.

my problem with her is that shes completely fucking pointless to the story
for the entire game i was sure it has to build up to something ... but nope, we just waste an entire game on a magical woman that ends up doing fucking nothing, you could cut her up from the plot, make doom guy go to hell just to find the lead demon, and the story only get better and more coherent

I still think they could've salvaged Eternal if they revealed the robot suit was made from the corpse of the Seraphim, and it had been slowly "healing" him back into it. Would've continued the through line of his arrogance dealing with otherworldly forces bringing about unforseen consequences. But then they doubled down with the DLC.

The fault of nuDoom is that it abandoned the core principle of not taking itself seriously and started taking itself way too fucking seriously.

saving that, the praetor suit up, and the crucible for dlc.

Hope we get the OG Praetor Suit in all its glory

The perfect redesign.

Sovl

I don't get this critique, it was

We worked together to stop the invasion on Mars and now that it's done you can fuck off until I need you again

Sam was just looking out for himself, and humanity second. In Eternal its not like they get along, it's still the same relationship but now it's earth being invaded.
As for the angel stuff Samuel has ALWAYS been shown to know way too much about hell to the point of it being suspicious so I think it works

He didn't do that, Olivia did

Why did Doom go full reddit.

I hate the hijacking of the story by ancient aliens, but Maykr levels are a treat visually and gameplay-wise.
For me it's the early levels that suffer from the story. The second level that jumps from overgrown ruins to hell, because you had to say hello to a ghost and get a duracell. Everything concerning literally who hell priests. The moments where doom hunter factory insist upon showing you how the sausage is made.

I don't think that's true, you can pick up SSG, plasma, and rail earlier in secret areas, but you get forced pick ups later on.

Doom 2016 was and stll is the best out of nudoom

Every iteration made it worse

Yeah, but he was fully aware she's using human sacrifices, he gave her a facility of her own he didn't control, he even gave her the kill codes for Red Dudes, supposedly the elite anti-demon force. He's just not the smartest guy, I guess. It genuinely makes more sense if he was the Seraphim all along, so he knew Slayer would clean up his mess, like he knew the guy personally and how he's juiced on Divinity Machine, but also knew how to control him via a tether.

You can pick every weapon past the HAR in a secret a level earlier: PG, RL, SSG, Gauss, CG But you can also run past their "normal" pickups. The only guns that are forced on you are (probably) pistol, SG and BFG I mean, you have to be stupid, but when you design an AAA game you gotta think about stupid people as well.

Nah, eternal has the best gameplay, and nightmare on eternal is WAY better balanced, if you die its probably you're fault. But I've been trying a few ultra nightmare runs of 2016 lately and imp fireballs do like 80 damage from the get go

i dont give a shit because i only replay it like once a year and dont skip cutscenes like a dopamine fried subway surfer zoomer. the presented story is better than both the other games combined.

Eternal is literal slop
Doom does not need open world
Nor a mount
Nor bullshit finisher

Anyone who hates on glory kills is a certified autistic retard

get checked for add

Liking glory kills

Eternal isn't open world and doesn't have a mount. And glory kills are cool and I always do them

Yeah I know it's Anon Babble so if it's popular it's le bad

Hugo Martin is just a fucking idiot retard who had a smaller role or was on a leash in Doom 2016 and then was given total creative control for the sequels. He saw people jizzing their pants over the demon lore bits in 2016 was the sheer thrill of hearing the devil shit himself in fear over the righteous rage and hate of Man, not his stupid YA scifi fantasy novel jargon.

resssssssssoooooooooollllllllllllllveeeeeee this

You're exactly right, and Doom Eternal should have focused on this idea further. Not the Doom Slayer™ getting sucked off at every opportunity through the most retarded scifi fantasy setting ever devised, but the Doom Guy's exploits against the demons inspiring more and more humans to stop being afraid of demons and start being fucking mad. The game should have been about Doom Guy running around trying to get to and kill some particularly bad demon, with the levels containing evidence of ever greater destabilization of the occupation of earth's solar system by the demons, with the final level being set in a full scale invasion of hell by humanity inspired by the Doom Guy's exploits but without his direct involvement or cooperation. Could even serve as a diegetic basis for multiplayer, could even kill off the Doom Guy at the end of the game only for it to not matter because there are thousands of Doom Guys who all want to slaughter every demon. It was right there in the title theme! The Only Thing They Fear Is (YOU)

Vega, give him what he wants

There's some really good Italian porn out there but damn so much of it is dubbed over. Like not even in a different language it's just like the actors recording their dialogue in post kinda like a spaghetti western. Huge turn off.

desu i was expecting him to be similar to bondrewd, means well for humanity despite sacrificing most of his own humanity in terms of his own body and other people's lives. forgot if 2016 revealed argent energy is people's souls or that was eternal.

it was simple and brutal and anyone could get into it also it ran and looked great on majority hardware 2016 also has great replay value eternal is a slog and dark ages is just trash

2016 also has great replay value

It's a slog with samey maps, a backwards learning curve and the most effective tactic is to STAND AND FIGHT everything with Siege Mode.

Sam who?

I feel I must....apologiiiiiiiiiiiiiize

Shooting demons
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That is what. I dont want to play platformer, to beat blinking demons, to block greens, to watch cutscenes.

Then play the OGs boomer

Eternal was, is and always will be dog shit.

highest player peak in the series

You lost

Keep crying

I don't think ID Software understood what was cool about him in 2016 at all.

Doom Eternal and now The Dark Ages have made this painfully obvious. 2016 didn't deserve these shitty sequels.

still better than 2016

boring shitepost

Fortnite is one of the most played games out there, still shit.

Why make this into two posts?

Trump lost.

I firmly believe that they didn't have the full story thought out when they made 2016. They purposefully left a bunch of open-ended sequel hooks in the first game and then just ad libbed it when writing Eternal.

[x] is just a fucking idiot retard who had a smaller role or was on a leash in [y] and then was given total creative control for the sequels

1:1 explanation on Niel Druckmann being a wrangled retard during The Last of Us (kino masterpiece) and then going on to be lead director and ruining the sequel and TV show.

m-muh story tho!

further proof 2016fags aren't true doom fans

The Last of Us (kino masterpiece)

Average Eternal hater btw

I CLAPPED WHEN I SAW THE ORIGINAL IMPS!

Why isn't it like the old games?!?!

NO NOT LIKE THAT!!!

This is the only enemy design that I like in Dork Ages

Didn't care for him or the story.
However, the tone and presentation were really good, like when you enter that bloodied elevator at the start of the game.
The claustrophobic atmosphere and the gory mess you find everywhere really made the demons feel like a threat.
In Eternal everything looks more toylike even if the story takes itself super seriously.

The Last of Us (kino masterpiece)

All truly great works were and are made on leashes. Constraints lead to real creativity. Total creative control leads to total creative death.

How badly did they fuck Rage 2? I have it on epic i think

I think it's more about aesthetic

For me it was Doomguy getting his own Superman fortress out of nowhere, i know this sounds like "i could have done a better job" but why didn't they just have the game start in hell, have doomguy blast his way and hijack one of the portals they're using to invade hell? Seems way more organic

at least metadoom is epic

doom 2016 followed a half-life type of way of minimalism and immersive story telling and as much as devs dont want to admit it story in games is important now so having bare minimum for context to your actions goes a long way.

Space bases gone wrong continues to be one of my favorite video game tropes. Waking up while being kind of groggy surrounded by blood and zombies that you only have a pistol to fight was great.

half life is slop compared to doom 2016

When was the time you've seen devs hijack a franchise so blatantly?

be anon

don't like racing games

post #1807 about how they don't like [popular racing gaem]

Everyone who played it loved it. It captured its target audience.

New Vegas

The Legend of Zelda Majora's Mask

Stardew Valley

Minecraft

you may be onto something, anon

Because in gaylo it isn't "take this slow vehicle and get from point A to B", it's "take this slow vehicle and gun down this other slow vehicle/monster because you lack the firepower to do so on foot".

Probably because of capeshit like the Avengers or the Justice League. The writers thought that heroes always need a cool base or something like that. They also can't into brutalist and simplistic storytelling anymore. It's always about muh 2deep4you lore, probably because Redditors can't appreciate something if there isn't any YouTuber who makes 3 hours long lore videos about their games. They can't understand that Doom is best when you unplug the brain and just kill shit as fast and hard as possible, with hardcore music in the background and simple but satisfactory gameplay. I already wasn't a fan of the upgrade and alt fire system in 2016, it killed the pacing.

I always thought Samuel was going to be revealed as a character betraying his kind for MORE POWER and using doomguy, the UAC and everyone else to do it for himself but it never happened he was just a puppet for the darklord.

No DLC where you play a UAC troop exploring hell with Hayden

no DLC of the invasion of earth and killing demons along side Hayden

that skin in eternal that uses the original praetor with the classic armor color scheme

perfect.

That's because it objectively isn't good.

it was simple and anyone could get into it

A game with these qualities inherently can't be good. Which tracks, because nudoom is shit.

I would argue DOOM 2016 is good because it took a lot of inspiration from DOOM 3, DOOM 3 was the schematic for 2016.
DOOM 3 is amazing and is also one of the best games ever created, it managed to redefine the classic formula of DOOM, while offering the player something new, the lighting technology Carmack created, was something groundbreaking.
DOOM 2016 took the formula of DOOM 3 and combined it with a more colorful aesthetic.

He wasn't a puppet though, in fact he wanted the father restored, not the dark lord. And he even tries to fight Doomguy to stop him from resurrecting him

in fact he wanted the father restored

and trying in doing freed the darklord and killed the fathers sphere(which the darklord is still pissed at) because the darklord knew what doomguy would do more than Hayden,

Well, they both take place in a scifi base and uhhh

I still have no idea what the hell was even going on in the plot Eternal. Maybe I’m just too stupid to grasp the plot of Doom game, I dunno.
Why the fuck is Satan actually Doomguy’s evil clone in a mechsuit? Why was this even treated like a huge reveal?

I wish you faggots would stop regurgitating this, DOOM is the only series you act this way about because it's a fucking meme and you're a socially conditioned tool
DOOM is not Tetris, it always had a story and it was always exactly what it needed to be, I paid attention to the plots of DOOM 1-3, 64, and 2016 and they were all good, now they fucking aren't
If you're so aloof and unconcerned with the plot or setting or anything then why not go play a flash game where you just shoot at grey squares in a black void you fucking faggot

So who was the guy that screamed "Nooooo!" when we killed the Makyr?

I paid attention to the plots of DOOM 1-3, 64, and 2016 and they were all good

No one understood anything about what made Doom 2016 good.

It's funny because you can see it pretty clearly at the first what, 5 minutes of the game? Once doomguy tosses the screen to the side when the game is trying to give you the EXPOSITION, he just gets into the elevator and cocks the shotgun. That's it.
Then you have this straton fuckwit going all "nooo we don't wanna do the same thing again, so lets difame gordon over the internet and instead of lightning in a bottle lets make dogshit marvel slop, bing wahoo and COLORFUL USER INTERFACE yeah this is my kinda different alright".
You'd think these people just stumble on these things by accident.

me

Glad you're laughing in agreement retarded frogposterbro

Why the fuck is Satan actually Doomguy’s evil clone in a mechsuit?

the darklord has no physical form and so took the form of the scariest thing he could think of to demons since demons rule by power,fear and control in hell at status.

you tell'em bestie

codslop

Everyone that compares game to call of duty has an IQ of 40. Zero exceptions. Doom 4 was supposed to be the 3D version of Doom II: Hell on Earth, and had some earth things actually visible. There was no reason to kill it with such a shit excuse and then shart out yet another, far shittier, reboot of the entire franchise.

No one cared about this drone in 2016 either. The ending comes out of nowhere and has zero reason to exist. This isn't 2002 anymore you don't need to put a zero context teaser just to say there is going to be a sequel 5 years later

That part in the Eternals DLC where it turns out satan was actually god all along and then you do an epic fight versus god

???

I don't think ID Software understood what was cool about him in 2016 at all.

Not a damn thing

The very next game has him find clean, non-demon powered energy offscreen

No he didn't, he was using your word

What the fuck is this Halo TV show ass shit

before he was the darklord/satan ,he was known as the true first being, Davoth who made plains of existence where he populated it with lifeforms,that being the Seraphim and the other favorite first race whos name i cant remember. one Seraphim got tired of the true beings shit and betrayed him/took his power, and threw him in sealed him away. Slowly Davoth became the darklord to seek revenge afterwards even if it took eons whispering bullshit in other lifeforms ears,that being humans or sentinels.

Basically giving magical girls modern weapons.

That's always based

this is stupid