She's a petulant child

Gustave’s death is suppose to serve as a parallel to irl Verso’s death. Showing how Maelle was able to cope with Gustave’ve being gone and how Alicia could not cope with Verso being dead

If killing a painted person isn't murder because they aren't real
Having sex with a painted child isn't pedophilia either

If nothing in the canvas is real, than neither is Verso. and neither is the reason to feel any level of emotional investment in the characters and relationships that you spend 95% of the game with.

You finally got it.

Maelle defenders having a moment of clarity

brat needs correction

Why would she want to break her toys?

child/10 THOUGH

lumiere in an identical state of ruin as before she took over

everyone has to show up in their identical sunday best to the newly remodeled piano hall to watch my brother- i mean painted Verso play!

she's very committed to the lumieren cause, yes

But it is, these people didn't even exist until the Paintress painted them lmao

That might be true. One can do the right thing for the wrong reason, though. Verso is the same in his ending -- he acts selfishly, but many players argue that what he does is for the best.

how to spot low-iqs

genocide argument

not real argument

It is selfish how she's using them as a shield to run from any negative consequences to her actions.
She doesn't even let Verso die because she's selfish and a world without him in it isn't the perfect world she demands.

Your defense is that the entire game outside of the last ten minutes is fucking pointless.

the entire game is fucking pointless

PLAY THE FUCKING PIANO REEEEEEEEE

All signs show that they're still self-aware and sentient individuals. Even if they came about from a bunch of fucked up sad sacks playing God.

self aware and sentient

I don't really care about that honestly

how do people unironically find this aesthetic attractive
its like off-brand final fantasy faces

UE5 hair is disgusting. Fucking gross.

They are real. They are humans created by gods. Are YOU not real?

wise anon

FF is boyband fags and sameface chicks and outsourced niggers made by pajeets, this looks good and cool.

this looks good and cool.

no it looks uncanny

Alicia it's time to come home. You're not actually disabled. You just jumped off the second floor and did an action rolled when you landed; you're fine. Stop pretending to be a cripple who needs a canvas world to live.

The wrong Alicia got to live, because the world is unfair.

They are humans created by gods

Painters aren't gods, they're just some dudes who can even die in a fire

I don't become a god if tomorrow the sims becomes super advanced and develop sentiency for the created characters and I make a bunch of characters, i'm still just some neet sitting in his room playing vydia, and they are fake people too smart for their own good.

The painted characters being real only proves that the painters' power is inherently wrong since they cannot be trusted to take care of entire existences. The painting should be destroyed, which is a tragedy but also a better alternative than what awaits them if Alicia gets her way, and no further paintings should be indulged with. Renoir and Clea should then find a way to eliminate their power for good.

Bill Cosby's hands typed this

living in the real world where you’re disfigured and can’t speak and your family is waging a war against a sinister group who wants to kill you and your family is better

Maelle might eventually die in the canvas, but at least she doesn’t have to spend every waking day of her life worrying about being assassinated.

how do people unironically find this aesthetic attractive

Post something beautiful that we can compare to. Denying beauty only reveals that you, yourself, are ugly.

based.

Godhood is a matter of perspective. To the people of Lumiere or anyone else living inside a canvas, the Painters are their gods.

No the game is a valuable lesson for Real Alicia

I don't think the painter Verso should be forced to continue painting if wants to stop.
I don't think any other ethical level needs to be examined beyond that. If a world only exists because it forces the dead soul of a little boy to keep painting against its will like Atlas, then I don't think the world should exist.

Godhood is a matter of perspective

That's a pretty poor definition of Godhood. Am I a God to ants now? Just because I'm a bigger creature who holds power over them?

Who the fuck is the little boy in her ending?

Tomorrow comes

When one falls, we continue

For those who come after

”Akshually, none of those people were real and they should just accept their demise for the sake of a teenage girl!”

It’s the like the entire third act was written by a completely different person. The name of the game is Expedition 33, not The Dessendres. Why should I care about their dysfunctional family over the lives of the expeditioners we’ve followed?

Either someone she painted personally or one of Gustave's little boy squad.

One of Gustave's apprentices

Did you create the reality that the gods exist them and do you have to capacity to wipe it out on a whim and can you destroy them and restore them at will?

The name of the game is Expedition 33, not The Dessendres.

The Dessendres is the plot twist, Expedition 33 is just the hook.

Did you create those ants? Then no, you aren’t their god. A person who can make countless realities with sentient people living in them is a god, however.

babby verso, she painted him a happy body

Its the kid that makes faces at you in cutscenes but never talks

The Gustave apprentice theory is so dumb. We always see the 3 faggots running around together. Why would we suddenly get a lone rando apprentice

And it was a shitty plot twist that rendered every single character that aren’t part of the Dessendre family irrelevant.

anon got too attached and refuses to let go

Congrats for making the story's point

This was also my conclusion

do you have to capacity to wipe it out on a whim and can you destroy them and restore them at will?

You see why people often use save files or MMOs as a comparison? Because yeah, the owner of the server/game has that power. To create and destroy and then restore at willl. No matter how intelligent the files can become, they are still in a restricted reality that can be controlled by someone who is not an All-Powerful being, it's just that THEIR reality is so microscopic that to them, the controller seems all powerful.

Wasn't that the exact plot of a pixar movie?

Well, that's what the Maelle ending is for. If you don't give a shit about the Dessendres then let Maelle preserve the canvas.

wtf people die? what a shitty twist, my dad died four years ago! I can't believe he was irrelevant.

The lumierens existed and were real and had relationships them being gone doesn't mean they didn't matter.

You see why people often use save files or MMOs as a comparison?

Do the Lumierens lack any qualities that humans outside the canvas possess that you feel are critical to personhood?

I chose Verso's ending because I wanted to kill all the fake people and force the teenage crybaby to be a cripple.

Egalitarian "human rights" morality will naturally spill into the metaphysical. In their eyes existence is an entitlement, and so the creator cannot be supreme over his creations, he must maintain their existence even to his detriment. A proper understanding of hierarchies, and acceptance that "rights" are god-given and do not transcend our creator, are neccessary to pick Verso's ending.

Then why do fucking anything at all.

Theory

It's literally the same kid. Do you have trouble recognizing faces, anon?

The endings treated them like they don’t matter. After all, escapism is bad and everyone in Lumiere isn’t real, right? Everyone should just accept nonexistence to preserve the life of a young girl.

And Sciel's entire story of trying to find purpose in a world without her husband after a failed suicide attempt? Why was that in there if we weren't supposed to take anything away from it?

Alicia doesn't even hear that part of the story.

Yes, they lack the finality of death.

based

Then maybe the story shouldn’t have made you attached to the characters if they’re just going to reveal that none of them were real within the context of that world? I care more about Lune and Sciel than Alicia.

If you would keep your siblings living brain in a jar to power your gaming pc you arent any worse than maelle

And Sciel's entire story of trying to find purpose in a world without her husband after a failed suicide attempt? Why was that in there if we weren't supposed to take anything away from it?

We aren't supposed to take anything from that because her hushband is magically ressurrected, quite literally, in the Maelle ending lol

Move on anon, let Verso's soul rest.

I definitely would because they’re an asshole.

I cared about both Maelle and the canvas. It's weird that saying you want to save Lumiere is directly tied to saying you want to turn Maelle into an emotionally repressed sith lord.

The endings treated them like they don’t matter.

You just feel that way because you're upset the game didn't give you a chance to save them. Are you one of the

golden route when?

posters?

After all, escapism is bad and everyone in Lumiere isn’t real, right?

The game doesn't say this. Some of the characters make an argument similar to it, but you don't have to agree with them. I know we're used to years of games shitting some half-baked moral down our throat, but this was meant to be left to your interpretation.

Can someone explain to me why everyone is implying the Verso ending is genocide when everyone in Lumiere was already gommaged at that point? There was no one left to kill except Sciel and Lune

They’re all just characters in a game so why are you getting worked up, anon? None of it matters because they aren’t real.

Yes which is why I would erase their existence to preserve my well-being if needed.

Then maybe the story shouldn’t have made you attached to the characters

The story made me attached to Maelle, I don't give a shit about Gustave or Lune or Sciel. And since I like Maelle, she has to be forced out of the canvas to get over losing her brother and move on.

because genocide is a bad word so if i say someone did it they are a bad person. Did you know painted verso also gaslights verso's soul shard? what a meanie

One thing I didnt understand.
Cant Maelle just paint everyone in a new painting? They dont have tangible souls like the painters who have a literal soul stuck in the painting.

Maellefags think bringing them all back will work just fine and it would be like nothing happened

the game literally has a good ending dangling above its head

Verso is too much of a liar to live and everyone is too retarded to do it

wow thanks, fuck you too

Left to interpretation my ass. You’d have to be an idiot to fail to see which ending is favored as the “good” ending by the writers. Maelle’s ending was straight out of a tragic Black Mirror ending, complete with a jumpscare and Verso’s tormented expression, whereas Verso’s is portrayed as a bittersweet ending full of hope.

On a metaphysical level, genocide is peer-to-peer. A creator cannot "genocide" his creations, by definition. He's not infringing on any "rights" they may have, as any right comes from and is taken by him to begin with. Don't fall for the "genocide" guilt-trip, Verso's ending is the correct one.

Maelle is a n00b, her mom was painting fetuses as they grew in the womb and shit

a bittersweet ending full of hope.

...hope for the family of demiurges that should be hanged?

Alicia wants to stay in the canvas because it has verso's soul shard, allowing her to delude herself into feeling like she didn't get her brother killed. Every reason Alicia gives for wanting to stay in the canvas is a cope for exactly the reason you posted.

They should be hanged for what? Making fake people in a canvas then deleting it?

Cuck logic. You're not a god, you're a human

Cant Maelle just paint everyone in a new painting?

They won't be the same people

They dont have tangible souls

They effectively do, their chroma. It acts all the same.

Verso even suggested it to her, proving that Verso ultimately destroyed the canvas because he was tired of living and not for the sake of his sister.

They're demiurges to be precise. And they have full supremacy over their creations.

submitting to God is "cucked"

You can never be a man if you have no humility. You'll be stuck as a rebellious teenager forever

fake people

Intellectually dishonest.

They won't be the same people

They werent when Maelle brought them back. It was another painter creating them.

I think they said Aline broke painters guild regulations, you probably arent supposed to paint sentient beings or leave dead painters canvases active with wars raging in them

verso lets her nubrother die

she lets verso truesister die

was it fair

This is fair enough, and for the most part I agree.
The tragedy was sealed when Verso refused to listen to his fucking sister and let the second Gommage happened. After that point, Alicia-Maelle would have never trusted anyone to leave the canvas again.

They won't be the same people

Does it matter? Verso is not the real Verso either, but he was good enough for Aline to hide from the grief of losing her son. He's good enough for Alicia to play pretend and play the piano as if her brother is still alive.
If Aline can paint Verso in the canvas, Alicia can paint Gustave in another if she can't cope with loss. She shouldn't do either, by the way. Not stay in the canvas nor repaint Gustave in another canvas.

She should, as per the Verso ending, just move on over the tragedy, and hold her family close. Her real, flesh and blood family.

i wanted Alicia's ending to be the right one and the devs didn't let me pretend everything was gonna go perfectly!

Sorry, anon. If Alicia's can really recreate the luminerens, then she's nobly sacrificing herself to maintain their society for, potentially, a very very long time. The downside is that her mind will crumble, and in her delusion, she'll also torment painted Verso. In Verso's ending, she has a real chance at a fulfilling life if she can face and overcome her grief. It's an uphill battle, the odds arguably against her, and dear friends had to be sacrificed for her to even have the opportunity. Her family has not been helpful thus far.

Neither sounds great to me, you just seem like a histrionic faggot who didn't get his way.

Verso is a fucking hypocrite. He manipulated the expedition to throw his mom out of the canvas knowing what his father would do afterwards, but threw a tantrum when Maelle freed Alicia from the canvas.

I think Aline broke the painter guild regulation by painting a facsimile of Verso, but could be by just making people in general. Verso canvas didn't have people before Aline.

By that point they all are dead. And we've learned from Monoco's sidequest that what comew back is not the same people. She didn't save them or anything, it was a selfish act.

Painted Alicia's despair after realising Maelle was too far gone and Verso had failed her trust, was to be returned to her family

she no longer considered Verso her family

Fucking brutal, she deserved better than this. The only character in the game not too retarded to live.

He got timelocked and just wanted to say goodbye, maelle speedran her gommage after she resumed time

Everybody in control was on autopilot, it's tragic.

Verso’s ending was framed as the better ending and you’d have to be in serious denial to not see it. With the bright sky full of light and the somber, yet hopeful music playing in the background, it’s a far more positive ending than Maelle’s living nightmare horror show for Verso.

Even a child would easily understand that something went seriously wrong in the Maelle ending.

Fake depth. Fake people. I have pondered much about this, and every time I'm more convinced they're fake. Oblivion is a mercy for them.

She's a grieving and traumatised child with a dysfunctional family.

On the surface sure, but when you think about both endings they do become much more grey

Maybe he should ask himself why she wanted to kill herself to begin with.

I said the Dessendres not Maelle, Maelle staying in the canvas hurts the Dessndres, but Maelle I feel like has some good elements in both endings for her. In verso's ending she gets to move on past her grief and reconnect with her family as Alicia, and in Maelle's ending she gets to live with the family in the painting that she has spent just as much time with relatively AND isn't horribly maimed. The only one truly hurt by Maelle's ending is Verso, and that's because he explicitly wanted Alicia to go back to her family, and move on from Real Verso's death.

Verso’s ending was framed as the better ending and you’d have to be in serious denial to not see it.

I do enjoy the rare aliciafag that's just shy of the self-awareness required to stop being an endingfag alltogether.

Correct, her motivations are sympathetic, and we shouldn't judge her for making the wrong choice. But it is the wrong choice nonetheless. The game gives *us* the choice of the fate's painting, and the correct one is fight as Verso.

I sure am glad you don't have political power

fate's painting

Painting's fate kek.

okay but she just needs to listen to her father. shes 16

I just hope some issues are worked through and that she can learn to take a break before being in the canvas starts to kill her.

metaphysical hierarchies are the same as peer-to-peer politics

and I find it annoying that it's treated like her not being able to move on from grief is solely the defining factor of that decision

Because you didn't actually pay attention, or you are purposely being obtuse or disingenuous. Her motivation is not based in grief at all. She literally admits it. She clearly states her sole motivation is because she is not disfigured in the painting. Her motivation has nothing to do with either grief or concern about the lives of the people of Lumiere.

The only one truly hurt by Maelle's ending is Verso

And the Dessendres, forgot to add that

Verso’s ending would’ve been better if Alicia just killed herself the same day she got kicked out of the canvas.

And Alicia herself, who's already succumbing to the canvas.

She literally admits it. She clearly states her sole motivation is because she is not disfigured in the painting

She admits both things. She admits in the painting she's not disfigured, and that in the painting she can live with her brother, the life they were denied. That second line sounds a grief-induced motive.

She literally admits it. She clearly states her sole motivation is because she is not disfigured in the painting. Her motivation has nothing to do with either grief or concern about the lives of the people of Lumiere.

Correct, and at the very end of the fight if you fight as Maelle, Verso admits it wasn't about Aline or child Verso's soul or whatever noble motivation, he did it all for himself, so he could be erased.
They're both hypocrites.

That would be a downer as fuck ending.

I guess returning to the real world where you’re heavily disfigured and unable to speak and every day is lived under the constant tension of a group of sinister people wanting your family dead is a far better outcome.

Would have been kino tbqh

You ignore the reason why he wants to be erased.

It's not about that even, she could make other worlds where she isn't disfigured if she wants.

Idk, if I think the ending we got was pure kino, and that song from the Verso ending is among the best ones in the OST

Her dad would just barge in and destroy it anyway to pull her back out.

Irrelevant to the point at hand but if you wanna discuss that instead, yeah, her life will be harder than most people's. She'll also be rich and ahave magical powers and can fuck off from her family into a different canvas or another part of the world if she wants, but undoubtedly having lost an eye and being very visibly scarred and dealing with the guilt of getting your brother killed will all be terrible for her. But, in the canvas, she's toast. Period. Currently toasting. Outside there's a chance. That's it.

Yeah, don't help your family, goy, just hide in your fictional world while your family that you love and that loves you perishes in a war against the people who disfigured you

Both of these idiots rejected a perfectly viable good ending, so I simply don't care what happens to them anymore.

Both of these idiots

The biggest idiot will always be Aline

he acts selfishly, but many players argue that what he does is for the best

Because while he acts selfishly, he is not acting out solely out of selfish gratification. Part of his motivation is to save his family members, part of it is to rest, part of it is to put the real Verso to rest. This is significantly different from Alicia whose sole motivation is purely selfish self gratification because all she wants is a perfect world where she is not disfigured and damn everyone else.

If you can't see the difference between those motivations then I recommend stopping, reading it again, thinking real hard about it, and if you still don't get it either find a priest or shut the fuck up forever because you literally are too stupid to be involved in such discussions.

We all want what's best for our families.

She’s a child that was already used once by their family’s enemy to burn their mansion. Forcing a child to take part in a war she doesn’t want to be in is cruel.

Why do retards like you repeat this same stupid fucking shit every time? Are you a bot? You know what the answer to your stupidity is, why post it?

And Verso’s is just “save my family and myself and fuck everyone else because they’re not real”.

Forcing a child to take part in a war she doesn’t want to be in is cruel.

Life keeps forcing cruel choices.

Nigger.

It's what the ending implied to begin with. Gustave is asking her to sudoku.

Yes, retard

I took that horror sting to be Verso looking past Maelle to see Alicia as she is outside the painting (her eye is missing in that shot after all, and the paint around the eyes is only ever shown in the real world). Verso even says something to the effect of being able to "see things as they really are" right before the final fight between the two. It's left ambiguous whether Maelle will become as mad as Aline did.

No he isn't. You made that up in your head. They are all smiling as they vanish into flowers and she moves on.

spending your life with a high expectations dad, a mom who blames you for the death of your brother, and a an asshole tsundere older sis is preferable

Yeah, I’d rather just slowly die.

and damn everyone else.

Literally Verso who genocided the world twice over LMAO.

It's left ambiguous whether Maelle will become as mad as Aline did.

I think the jumpscare moment makes it very clear she will and not ambiguous.

”I’ll do everything to get back your trust”

Betrays his friends again

Okay seriously though, why didn't Verso just let Maelle know the truth. Just kick Renoir first, then Aline, then uninstall Verso, log off and go for dinner and talk to your family.

she wouldn't believe it like Expedition Zero

Maybe not Verso, but she would have believed literally herself from a other world

The dad is fine. The mother didn't overcome grief and froze herself into a bad moment in her mental state for a long ass time. Clea is hot so she's excused.

she doesn’t want to be in

She had no issue as Maelle to wage a war against the paintress.
Alicia is just being annoying.

No he isn't

He is. He is asking her to come over with them as they die. You didn't play the game so it went over your head. Alicia's wishes in Verso's ending are the exact same as Painted Alicia after everyone she loved was killed by Verso's action. It's the same exact scenario with the same exact result.

she moves on

Moves on to suicide, yes.

don't let all the Maeliciafags and Versofags distract you from what is really the biggest injustice inflicted upon the painted world
which is that Golgra's feet are being ignored and are sexier than Lune's

Just kick Renoir first

They could only get to the monolith in the first place because their objective was to fight the Paintress, and Renoir helped them get there because that was their mission.

Any other mission and Renoir is not helping and then the group cannot defeat even Paint Renoir. Or get inside the barrier. They are literally stuck with this chain of events unless they got help from someone else.

Clea

She's team Renoir, not Aline.

when I am in a lying competition and my opponent is Verso

the one who guards the truth with lies (guards, as in she lets nobody know it, except himself)

There wouldn't have been an epic tragic plot otherwise.

Because they didn't kick out Aline from the canvas, Renoir dud after his final gommage.
What they did was incapacitate her for a bit and you need someone in Renoir's level and his chroma to do it.
If you get rid of him, Aline claims it back and then shit's fucked.

To suicide

Schizo headcannon, incapable of interpreting the music, the visual shot and gestures that are loosely foreign to you.

Renoir is worthless after they reach the Monolith, just stab him in the back sfter that lmao.

Actually Clea is team "everyone get the fuck out immediately". Renoir explicitly wanted Alicia to stay and use her.

Did you not read my entire post? That shot is from Verso's perspective, and he failed in getting her to not commit to being in the canvas until death, which was the opposite of what he wanted. It's framed as a terrible thing to him specifically. I think people are misinterpreting thinking that she's turned into a crazy god playing dolls.

Actually Clea is team "everyone get the fuck out immediately"

And that is Team Renoir? He wants everyone to leave the fuck out immediatly. He's not willingly staying.

Renoir is worthless after they reach the Monolith

Wrong. They couldn't defeat pRenoir without Renoir (Curator form).

We all know the sequel we need.

You are incapable of connecting dots and watching the same events lead to the same scenarios. Are you gonna pretend this and Gustave's gesture were just put in the game with no purpose? LOL.

The only moment I cried like a bitch in the whole game. Poor girl had nothing.

why didn't Verso just let Maelle know the truth.

Verso's most salient trait is literally that he's a liar.

literally always keeping some kind of secret from the moment he's introduced

lies to the party about his intentions

lied to Julie

Visages axon ("he who hides truth with lies") is real Renoir's impression of real Verso

He was painted to be a liar -- he can't help himself.

Picrel

Has nothing to do with Alicia moving over at the ending.

Gustave's gesture

He's just waving in an awkward way. Your schizo read on the scene is nothing but your delusion.

Curiously, the people from Lumiere fade quickly and in the same color, and the two characters who really are relevant (Verso and Maelle) take longer and fade into a different color of petals.

"he who hides truth with lies

Guards. He doesn't let anyone have it, only himself.

all im gonna say is that i'd have sex with maelle

Just like Alicia/Maelle outside the Canvas. Left alone in the final shot as her family call to her to join them.

Left alone in the final shot as her family call to her to join them.

What a schizo headcanon to pretend she wants to kill herself.

Versotards when you don't care about the dogshit story in Act 3 and just pick Maelle ending to make him suffer

Not even close. Painted Alicia genuinely wanted for everyone to live. Alicia only cares for herself at that point, just like Verso.

This except I hate both and that ending is horrible for both of them.

Has nothing to do with Alicia moving over

Because that never fucking happens lmao.

He's just waving in an awkward way.

PFFFFFFTTTTHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA.

Alicia is LITERALLY just a reflection of Alicia outside the Canvas. This much is told to you at the end of Act II. Maelle was Alicia as she was meant to be, without the scars. And Painted Alicia begged for death after she lost her loved ones, not even considering Verso her family anymore. I have absolutely no idea what kind of copium would make you think Alicia will reach a different conclusion after the same happened to her, everyone she loved killed by someone she considered close.

"Why do you keep repeating the same correct answer!?"

Because you keep repeating the same incorrect thing. Once you finally learn, we'll stop repeating it.

The only schizo headcanon is pretending that Gustave is fucking waving KEK.

he doesn't even look at her, but it could be how he sees her I suppose.

The answer to your stupidity has nothing to do with Verso though.

Renoir getting away and rewarded for his genocide

Pic talking about Verso

??????????

Maelle was Alicia as she was meant to be, without the scars

There is no "meant to be" in real life. Verso was "meant to be" alive and not die a premature death in his 20s. There is just what Alicia IS, and she is a burned, fucked up girl who misses the brother that died to save her, and feels terrible about her mother partially blaming her for his death; but worse, she even feels some of this guilty, as if she really was to blame, only because of her own naivete. Of course she is not to blame.

I have absolutely no idea what kind of copium would make you think Alicia will reach a different conclusion after the same happened to her, everyone she loved killed by someone she considered close.

Weird, I see everyone she loves right behind her as she visits her brother's grave and they finally reunite. You might have to play the game.

NTA but this is true, he's definitely beckoning and you have to be severely blind to not see it.
I don't think it's suicide bait though, too far fetched

Except you need to add a psychotic mother who is actually with her and extremely demented and being tortured.
It's like saying Verso wanted to kill herself in real life, just absolutely retarded.

Any weird gesture means whatever I want it to mean

It's the Muzi nazi salute all over again holy shit

They are literally the equivalent of a VR chat with NPCs with AI-driven realistic reactions

I meant MUSK nazi salute

VR chat with NPCs with AI-driven realistic reactions

What you meant to say, except you don't know the term, is philosophical zombie. And there's zero indication that they're philosophical zombies at all.

There is just what Alicia IS, and she is a burned, fucked up girl

So same as Painted Alicia. Which is exactly why her end is the same after they both go through the same events. Suicide. Would a healthy Alicia aka Maelle avoid said ending? Probably. But that's not what Alicia IS, as you yourself stated lmao.

right behind her

The ones you are referring to are literally not there at the final shot, where her family fades into gommage while asking her to join them. Where are the ones you say love her in this shot? I don't see them LOL.

This is a valid interpretation of the ending as well, it's very open ended, you can make different conclusions from it.

It's not bait ehen you play The Reacher. There's a reason why Painted Alicia asked for death, in the way she asked for it.

he genocided the painted equivalent of a chat-gpt prompt to generate an rpg world in baguette land

Play the game.

You know these threads are going to be going on for years right? Do you plan on keeping this act for that long?

le epic reductionism

Stop with this shit

Play the game.

Only one of these posts is mine, piss off

ho doesn't want to commit mass murder,

There can't be a mass murdered if they're already dead.

Which is exactly why her end is the same after they both go through the same events

They didn't go through the same events. Alicia had her Maelle life, which helped her see the strenght in herself. She had her standoff with Verso, who helped her see there's a life outside of moping around her disability and her desperate attempt of clinging to her lost brother.
Claiming Maelle and pAlicia had the same life experience and thus will reach the same ending is a bad faith argument and you know it. It's not even remotely similar. And also, part of what tormented pAlicia was being a painted version, and seeing the real Alicia interacting with Verso. Not just because of being free of scars, but not being traumatized by her mother's blame as she (painted) was.

Alicia is a fucked up girl that grew a lot through her experiences in the canvas, and could finally overcome her brother's dead.

Where are the ones you say love her in this shot? I don't see them LOL.

You literally lack object permanence. They leave the shot for a couple of seconds and you forget they exist.

The absolute state of Maellefags.

Alicia Is contemplating le suicide

Le "final shot"

Stop trying to pretend you understand cinematic language when your lack of media literacy Is embarassingly huge ESL

This implies there's no right answer so you can go with anything you like, since no one can prove you right or wrong.

Killed, you mean. Not dead, killed, by Verso's lies. This isn't a natural disaster.

where her family fades into gommage while asking her to join them

The one she actually considers her family (verso, by her own admission as Alicia) isn't.

media literacy

faggot. kill all bugs

In what fucking world was it okay for Aline to create sentient humans in the first place? She saved Renoir when he was lost in a painting and then goes and does some shit like that? I get grief and all that, but this seems like the first thing painters should learn to be careful about.

based

She is my wife.

Reminder that had Verso done literally nothing they would have died anyway,as well as the rest of Lumiere in like another 20 years.
The only reason Maelle, Gustave and lune weren't dead in act one is because verso killed all the stronger nevrons in their way too.

Verso's death sent her spiraling. They can't be trusted with their powers

Bro is proud of not understanding a fucking videogame plot lmaooooo

why does verso care about seeing alicia yeeted prematurely while wanting the canvas destroyed????????

Painters don't consider their creations real enough. I mean she literally mentally abuses her painted family by "giving" them memories of Verso's death and the grief it comes with.

Reminder that letting Renoir killed Maelle for her to be reborn as Alicia in Act 1 would have been more beneficial to Verso but this game is badly written.

verso killed all the stronger nevrons in their way

How do you know he was telling the truth about this given lying is is whole character? We never see any freshly dead nevrons aside from the ones Maelle killed in flying waters.

That's pretty much Renoir's point? He has to destroy the canvas because even a painter as powerful and as wise as Aline, who saved him from that same scenario, fell victim to it's alure, and he's witnessing Alicia going down the exact same path.

It's a shame you didn't understand.

her family

no, her family is entering the house behind her.

asking her to join them

only gustave and what he means with the beckoning is intentionally vague

She herself disagrees with what she's doing, as Renoir points out.
But it fucked her up really bad. It probably just started as creating a fake verso and then it just went off the rails.

Reverse uno meme

Just like Alicia, her simps lack talent

This is true probably

finally finished the game, both ends

can now look and participate in threads

all the threads suck

How do you know he was telling the truth about this given lying is is whole character

Because

he doesn't lie in act three, don't even bring up the ending because Alicia is to blame for that shitfest

it leads to revealing he was stalking them

leading to the Gustave reveal

If you want to be retarded, suit yourself.

This nigga looks like Asmongold kek

Okay you win

iktfb

Painters don't consider their creations real enough

Some of them do some of them don't. It's a point of contention among painters, that's pretty directly stated by one of the fading people. There's no indication of where Aline stands on that idea.

have to hold back to actually fight Simon otherwise I would two shot him

this game is retarded. It's not like my build is try hard either. Auto Death + Break on Death is so busted it is stupid

Exactly. Every character in media should always be perfectly rational at all times.

Alicia had her Maelle life

Which makes things worse, not better. Renoir killed her family and home.

She had her standoff with Verso, who helped her see there's a life outside of moping around her disability

The dude literally just told her to fuck off to another painting and kill herself there, how is that better?

Claiming Maelle and pAlicia had the same life experience and thus will reach the same ending is a bad faith argument

Only if you are delusional (which you are).

They leave the shot for a couple of seconds

It's not a couple of seconds lol. You lack IQ to process what it's shown in front of you. They show you what the Dessandres have in mind each, Clea is too focused on her revenge and leaves the shot, then Renoir and Aline are shown too caught up with eachother, not even glancing at Alicia in the entirety of the cutscene, and they leave the shot right after. This is meant to tell you that Alicia was abandoned by them, your low IQ couldn't process something so simple.

Lil bro got It personally lmaoooo

Several expeditioners just escaped the beach, Gustave is about to kill himself next to one of his very recently slain comrades in the corpse cave of the meadow, and you see another killed by the evique at the indigo tree. Maelle could have just gotten out.

Act 3 feels so scuffed and rushed. They open up the world to you and it's full of tons of side content but they couldn't find a good way to mix them together.

She uses them like toys imo. You can see that the whole painted family is just filled with despair and trauma. Idk how you can do that to someone you consider as human and real as you.

I think you might be retarded

She is cute and deserves anything she wants

Simon has 50 million HP. Even with several breaks, he gets so many turns that you're not finishing him off while he's stunned without an optimized build.

This is meant to tell you that Alicia was abandoned by them

Is she your waifu or do you self insert as her because you hate your family. Genuinely curious.

had Verso done literally nothing they would have died anyway,as well as the rest of Lumiere in like another 20 years.

Aline was on the brink of death. Verso couldn't risk her not lasting that long.

So who the fuck is Clea besides sequel bait?

It's a schizoposter, he's been shitting up these threads for weeks now with his "beckoning gustave" shit

Best girl

bro just forget the last 16 years your feelings for them aren't real

Love the family LARPers when all it would take for them to stop loving their mothers is someone telling them they aren't real.

sticking my dick inside and stretching maellicia's pussy out 24/7

Since Renoir was not as skilled as Aline, Clea created the Nevrons to ensure Aline remained isolated from the painting's chroma, gradually weakening her. This enables Renoir to gommage her oldest creations as time goes on

without an optimized build.

What the fuck is optimized about stacking + damage pictos and using last stand on Maelle? This isn't rocket science. My half assed build does 35 million damage gommage. If I use Sciel to buff her, she would do more than double because I don't even use any buffs like powerful. Since I didn't kill the white nevron I don't have auto powerful either.

Act 3 is bad. Both story and combat.

letting Renoir killed Maelle for her to be reborn as Alicia in Act 1 would have been more beneficial to Verso

But letting Renoir kill only Gustave gave Maelle the burning resolve to kill painted Renoir and the Paintress.

youtu.be/9HsMVig_B_A?si=ZfABgIU42239T3mn&t=869
Gustave is absolutely, one hundred percent gesturing her toward him. I don't think it means "you should fucking kill yourself," I think it's more along the lines of "come out and enjoy the real world", but you can watch the video yourself (it's at 14:29). If you think he's just waving 100% differently from every other character for no reason you're genuinely retarded.

he loves her

Yes, that's his main motivation, but the ending of the game was set in stone anyway.
Blaming him because Renoir had already won is stupid.

Anon, you need to understand that anyone in this site side with Maelle just because she's an attrattive underage girl, as they are too retarded to understand the true meaning behind those endings. So don't expect some in-depth, well constructed, meaningful interpretation outside of memes or "She cute"

You hate your family. All it would take for you to brush aside your parents murder is their killer telling you they aren't real. Stop LARPing as a family man lol it's pathetic.

Did you not notice that among the people fading away is Maelle? Alicia is not Maelle and does not consider herself Maelle. She larps as her for a while in act III, but they are different people. Maelle is dead when Alicia wakes back up, and she symbolically gommages out with the rest of the painted people.

Which makes things worse, not better. Renoir killed her family and home.

She moves on. She realizes it was a canvas world, even if it hurts. She carries their memories with her, as seen in the last shot.

The dude literally just told her to fuck off to another painting and kill herself there, how is that better?

He said he could be in any painting she wanted, because she's a talented paintress. She just can't be there sulking over him forever, living a false life besides him - a lie. He's 100% correct.

This is meant to tell you that Alicia was abandoned by them

Pure headcannon. Renoir approaches Aline as the shot begins coming from closer to Alicia. Clea and Alicia look at one another very warmly.

Also read the fucking lyrics of the song.

your low IQ couldn't process something so simple.

Retards always think they're the smartest people around, jesus christ.

Official power ranking of posters.

Paliciagods

Beacons of hope in these tragic times. Even if her dream was failed, they keep hope alive.

Cleasimps

Unhinged and contrarian but impeccable taste in women. Drafted and scripted for Big Writer Cock btw.

Renoirscholars

Elder God Tier antagonist and stylish as fuck, nothing else needed. Anyone downplaying his actions with Sims/chatbot bullshit is ruining his character.

Goosebros

Right in the middle, just like their character. Charlie Cox is expensive.

Lunefags

Feet are a mainstream fetish in current year. Unashamed coomers propped up by WMAF. Nobody discusses her actual character because of misery porn. Fell for it again award.

Maellefags

Don't really exist, aside from the rare contrarian that insists Lumiere would totally be fine and Alicia isn't loaded with cash and magic and will totally off herself. Likely pedophiles. But the piano memes are funny.

Versofags

Change the piano memes with unfunny smugposting and culture was retardation. Confuse being a compelling and well written character because of being massively flawed, with having no flaws at all. Those damageless DMC V combo videos weren't even impressive, Mr. Broche.

Nobody posts Sciel sadly.

Alicia would have wanted to get Aline out of the paining, and her having paintress powers would make that easier. I believe this game was rewritten in the second half. Shit doesn't make sense. Things like the scene with Maelle and Goblu don't mean anything.

All it would take for you to brush aside your parents murder is their killer

Look how much Alicia cared about Verso and Renoir doing what they did.

what is optimized about optimizing?

What else would you call stacking every buff you can find and then using the most damaging ability in the game? I didn't claim it was particularly complex, but it's about as optimized as the game gets.

this game insists upon itself

If that was the case she wouldn't have brought back Lune, Sciel, Gustave, Sophie, the orphan or anyone other than Verso.

Yeah I know she made the Nevrons but is that it? She really does just seem like sequel bait with the Writer war shit. Which is fine just curious if there was more. Also she fucked Franfran.

Words words words

It Is, as i suspected

the orphan

Oh, the cope is still here.

Oh, you mean at stone wave cliffs? Painted renoir successfully pushed her out. Real renoir pulled her back in. Verso didn't factor in.

There is also the exact and direct opposite with those that instantly go Verso because "the escapism themes" and "no painted person matters they're bots" and "it has colorful presentation so it's good" and refuse to think about it any further than that, and mock you if you do.
Basically you can be stupid for either side.

>Renoirscholars

Elder God Tier antagonist and stylish as fuck

Painted Renoir was more prominent than real Renoir though. Renoir spent most of the game as a resident evil character

What else would you call stacking every buff you can find and then using the most damaging ability in the game?

I see + damage on picto. I click.

That's the level of thought process to "optimize" this braindead broken game.

She fought both, left one to play the piano forcefully and the other dying of grief over another of his kids dying? Sounds sbout right.

needs correction

Sciel is a literal who that cucks your self-insert at the first opportunity

What makes you think Alicia wouldn't have just been painted over the second she reentered like she was the first time?

it has colorful presentation so it's good"

This is in response to

Yes, I'm ignoring the visual presentation, sound direction and sound effects of Alicia's ending

which is an insane cope.

The painters never should've been depicted as more than hole face fading people.

Oh yeah, you're right, anon. That's even better. Thanks.

Those that post Renoir usually post both, so they go together.

She's delusional in the canvas. She's merely larping as maelle, it's why the city is still in the same ruined state as before they defeated Renoir, but the operahouse where she can make everyone watch her pet verso play piano is perfectly restored. Outside the canvas, like Aline clutching to Renoir now aware of what she was doing, Alicia is forced to deal with reality. She's not Maelle. Maelle fades with the rest.

Why is real Renoir called "The Curator"?

Verso is the most complex and well written character even if you don't like him. You just need to think a little bit to connect the dots, anon. It's not that hard.

This game was made for me
genuine kino
I didn't expect there to be scenes genuinely better than most of the main game in the act 3 side stuff but I just did Clea and Simon (took me 5 hrs no cheese to learn the fight and set up for the red eclipse phase that I'm sure most faggots in these threads don't even know exist)
I kneel
best jrpg since ffx/lost odyssey
Even though it's fr*nch
Japs won't leant the right lessons if they learn anything at all though
and western devs won't either considering that veil guard retard dev already said it's because of dev time. No retard, how about you don't force your mentally ill politics into my games as a starter
The Clea and Simon scenes were maybe the highlight of the entire game and I almost didn't even do them after thinking the finale was 10/10 enough and I didn't want to really grind anything
Clea theme feels like the first real Nobuo Uemetsu "final fantasy final boss theme" since X, very ethereal and out of body

Like pottery

Do you think she told her husband about her having sex with the piano man while he was dead in Maelle's ending?

She moves on

That's your headcanon based on literally nothing.

He said he could be in any painting she wanted

So just kill yourself in those, not in this one. Aline is a skilled Paintress too idiot.

Renoir approaches Aline as the shot begins coming from closer to Alicia. Clea and Alicia look at one another very warmly.

Yeah I guess Gustave is alive in Act II because he was alive at the beginning of Act I.

muh music

Come on now. Use your fucking eyes.

Retards always think they're the smartest people around

Is that why you are posting about media literacy?

It's art-related like the paintress

Of course he is. This is ranking posters though, not characters.

i did the strongest thing in the game and it was too strong, and now i am mad. How could this be happing to me?

I think all the gestrals and shit are still alive but yeah pretty much

NTA but this is not an excuse for the horrific balance. Ideally, painted power would have changed depending on story progress (go from 10k cap to 100k to 1 million etc.)

honey, it's time to go see that man I fucked display his artistic prowess.

Maelle got us front row seats, you'll be able to see his bulge!

That's your headcanon based on literally nothing.

Literally nothing

Shot composition.
Character positioning.
Music.

So just kill yourself in those, not in this one

What?

Yeah I guess Gustave is alive in Act II because he was alive at the beginning of Act I.

....Nigger, what?

Come on now. Use your fucking eyes.

Disregarding the music as if it isn't a significant part of the media.

Is that why you are posting about media literacy?

Wasn't me, I think it's cringe to talk about media literacy.

That's your headcanon based on literally nothing

It Is what Versos ending Is all about

You either didn't play the game and fucking with me or are genuinely soft in the head

The retarded romance social links were the most out of place shit in the game.

Non-contrived builds should not be able to one-shot the final boss.

They died in act 2 because Verso withheld the truth from Maelle that his sister wanted to tell her. He had absolutely zero excuses for that.

it's why the city is still in the same ruined state as before they defeated Renoir

The problem with this interpretation is people saying it's been several years or something of Piano concerts. I have no idea where they got that from. If it's how Verso looks, then they LITERALLY didn't play the game. Verso ALWAYS looked that way, he straight up says he dyes his hair black, but in reality it's all white.

Verso is just Near (death note) + Dante + Jon snow + Gustave
his "story" is complex but his presented characters is a flippy floppy mishmash of retarded shounen hero troupes and the above
he is disgusting out of place and "Anime hero" in a game mostly grounded. And this could actually work if it's how kid Verso painted his view of him as be wanted to be an adult (a super hero or w/e) but verso is how Aline viewed him at death, not how kid Verso wanted to be as an adult
Thus he is shit and Gustave. Renoir, Clea, and my fucking wife Maelicia are all far better and you need to play the piano faggot
Based

red eclipse phase that I'm sure most faggots in these threads don't even know exist)

I followed your path up until that phase, at which point I chuckled to myself and built Maelle for the big gommage. You're stronger than me anon.

i did the strongest thing in the game

I didn't though. Not by a long shot.

I get that, but Aline actually paints things. A curator usually has a collection, but I don't recall The Curator doing that inside the canvas, unless you count his copy of the manor.

The director correctly identified FF8 as the best Final Fantasy and decided to make his game just as broken.

KEK

It is MY game and my self insert WILL get the girls (they totally aren't real btw so it's like I'm masturbatinf)

He had absolutely zero excuses for that.

He wants his mom out of the canvas.

but what he did was really bad!

Yup.

It's just a fancy sounding name to keep up with the art context. Might as well call him the museum janitor

Without those, Sciel and Lune actually would've done nothing in act 3.

verso gets to sniff this

is this punishment or a reward?

She's had enough time to fix at least some things, obviously.

Should I fix peoples' homes? or where they eat? Nope, gotta get that piano tuned for tonight's performance! Everybody arrive in identical attire, as instructed.

But they said ffx was the best tho
FF8 keks stay delusional
Only way you even like FF8 so can't help it I guess

The story was awful after Gustave's funeral. The story lost all stakes and became all about a shit character I couldn't give a fuck about. His dialogue in camp scenes is cringe.

the only thing Sciel did in act 3 was telling me we were over because she'd rather fuck her ressurrected hushband

It made me hate her

Well if I HAD to make an argument at it being more than just a thematic name, he IS collecting all the chroma that he gommages so he can gradually grow stronger than Aline

Alicia's ending is just a very big meme, if kino in composition.

He is the closest counterpart to the real Verso. He has the same death impulse to sacrifice for family, but there is the real family and painted one. So he is endlessly torn about it because he also knows he's not real. It's emphasized pretty clearly in the game, that's why both Renoir and real Alicia point it out because they understand it. His existence particularly was cruel, but so was the rest of the painted family.

Shot composition.

The one that has them abandoning Alicia?

Character positioning

They are literally nowhere to position at the end.

Music.

Meme.

What?

If being a Paintress capable of joining other Canvas to avoid staying in her charred body and "NEVER living a life you don't want", that just means he doesn't care if she just stays permanently in one of those, as long as it's not this one in particular (because he just wants to die).

....Nigger, what?

You are too stupid too understand. Lemme dumb it down for you. Just because grug present in second 1, doesn't mean grug there in second 30.

Disregarding the music as if it isn't a significant part of the media.

Because the music isn't the only thing in there. If Art the Clown is using a Barney song on the background as he turns someone to mincemeat, I'm not gonna believe it's supposed to be a happy scene.

Sciel did nothing the entire game

He wants his mom out of the canvas

Genuinely everyone wants that. He just ensured that it would traumatize Maelle and cause mass death instead of talking it out.
Guards the Truth with Lies, motherfucker is genetically built for not talking to people, and the endgame of his master plan is two horrible ends because he aborted all alternatives.

I didn't like Verso much either. But the story is about Alicia (Maelle), even in the Verso ending. And I liked her.

became all about a shit character I couldn't give a fuck about.

Maelle? Because the story is all about her.

So Esquie is what happen if Pooh Bear is in a dangerous world when the world before was child friendly?

instead of talking it out.

You can't get Aline out of the canvas without Renoir taking control of all the chroma.
It is what it is.

She's had enough time to fix at least some things, obviously

How did you arrive that conclusion? It could be shortly after Renoir's defeat. The pinky promise was Alicia attending and making sure Verso's FIRST Piano Concert was packed full.

hey guys the paintress isn't actually killing everyone, the curator, who is her husband outside the canvas, the false reality we all live in, is. If we save my mother's life by kicking her out of here, her husband will gommage all of us.

oh thanks Verso, now we can just destroy Renoir who is a weaker painter than the paintress.

And then Aline is never removed.

Wants tò have sex with Gustave

Dies

After Verso appears she instantly turns on and have sex with

After she learns her husband can be resurrected she dumps Verso

Fucks with him one last time before reuniting with her clueless cucked husband

Holy mother of whores

Why are you rp'ing as Verso? Weirdo

And also a wineskin.
Makes me wonder who in the family was a drunkard for a child to have so much knowledge of wine.

How did you arrive that conclusion?

From some things being fixed you dumb nigger.

Verso's FIRST Piano Concert

Yeah that couldn't have waited any longer.

Self inserting as Verso is a mark of mental illness

FECKLESS!....THOUGHTLESS........Self indulgent....

I don't believe babby Verso painted Esquie full of wine. Painted verso returned to Lumiere several times and probably got it from there and eventually stashed it in his second best buddy.

From some things being fixed

She literally just brought people back and fixed the Opera. That shouldn't take so long.

Yeah that couldn't have waited any longer.

You need a high morale to start to rebuild.

Maelle would have found a way, or so Painted Alicia believed. Just log off from the canvas and go talk to your father IRL or something.

You would be too if you doubled up on your rebellious teenager phase.

You need a high morale to start to rebuild.

For fucking who? Who among the lumierens gives a fuck about Verso? And Alicia is the only one who needs to do any building anyways.

The one that has them abandoning Alicia?

The one where they are reunited as a family in front of Verso's grave and show subtle yet obvious affection towards one another.

They are literally nowhere to position at the end.

Already said where Renoir comes from, or the glances Clea and Alicia exchange even while afar.

Music is meme

Proud of your own retardation.

If being a Paintress capable of joining other Canvas to avoid staying in her charred body and "NEVER living a life you don't want", that just means he doesn't care if she just stays permanently in one of those, as long as it's not this one in particular (because he just wants to die).

The line just before that one is "You can always just leave". And when Alicia responds Renoir will destroy the canvas, he says "This is not worth your life". He does not want her to kill herself in another canvas either, he cares about her. He was just telling her she won't have a miserable life because of her physical condition. It's both directly written and framed as such.

You are too stupid too understand. Lemme dumb it down for you. Just because grug present in second 1, doesn't mean grug there in second 30.

Your comparison is retarded and so are you. It's almost like you can't follow the chain of events and why I'd expect something at moment 31 after witnessing moment 30 previously.

Because the music isn't the only thing in there. If Art the Clown is using a Barney song on the background as he turns someone to mincemeat, I'm not gonna believe it's supposed to be a happy scene.

No, but you won't interpret just as a terror scene either, or at least will understand that part of the terror is the banality of it.
The music can and often does completly change how a scene is experienced and interpreted.

Maelle would have found a way, or so Painted Alicia believed.

Can you think of one? Anyone can say "a way would've been discovered" about any argument, it's meaningless.

Just log off from the canvas and go talk to your father IRL or something.

Yeah he's going to be real willing to talk while his wife is still decomposing before his eyes.

Just log off from the canvas and go talk to your father IRL or something

Renoir wouldn't leave until Aline is out.
Aline wouldn't leave unless forced.
Alicia won't leave unless forced.
It's a stubborn family.

Yeah he's going to be real willing to talk while his wife is still decomposing before his eyes.

But they're literally on the same page here. They both should want Aline out

Hey dad, I fucked up last time I entered the canvas and got stuck, and you pulled me back when I got kicked out. Can we go get mom out but please don't erase everyone?

It's just a celebration after being liberated anon. The evil gods were defeated, let's celebrate our victory at the Opera. Everyone is fucking alive again and the future looks bright, why would they be sad over a few buildings being destroyed? They have a whole life ahead of them now.

If I don't self insert as Verso as I select which girl I fuck, then I'm just being NTR'd

we could've had a different ending if different people were involved

outstanding observation

t. Chang

They have a whole life ahead of them now.

Oh they have no idea. They'll pray for the gommage when she goes full Aline on them

No, because Aline will simply return to the canvas later, and you've clearly grown attached to it as well, causing me to be concerned that you'll meet a similar fate. Hmm, this sounds a lot like the argument I would've eventually made if we followed the original plan, but with extra steps.

Weird fuck + savior mentality shit tbqh

It's just a celebration after being liberated anon

Going by the lines on Alicia's face and Verso's hair they've been liberated for a while now though.

They both should want Aline out

Aline is never leaving and staying out. This is proven by the portal Renoir opens to show her state after the final boss fight.

my daughter spends too much time with her cats. She can never responsibly have them, I need to kill them ahead of time

Not too fond of that family tbhdesu

verso playing the piano is meant to be a celebration for the future of lumiere

not a festival, not a massive celebration like they did fit the expedition, just something only Alicia cares about

Oof, reaching unseen levels of cope.

That's not a bad thing since Aline did nothing to the people of Lumiere. The one doing the Gommages was Renoir. The Fracture was cause by Renoir as well. Unless you mean Renoir coming back to fuck their lives over again, that could happen, yes.

It's just a celebration after being liberated anon. The evil gods were defeated, let's celebrate our victory at the Opera.

That's right lumierens, let's all celebrate. I made you all identical outfits to wear while standing in your identical poses in the bafflingly unmoving line given how many seats are open. Now allow me to look around the opera house for my friends who would have no reason to be sitting anywhere but at the very front - sacre bleu, there they are, at the very front, wearing outfits identical to mine! And oh, look, there's gustave and sophie, wearing the last thing Maelle saw them in and standing out jarringly! This is in no way merely a set piece I've organized!

That's not a bad thing since Aline did nothing to the people of Lumiere.

She created them. She shouldn't have done that.

Verso's hair

That's his natural hair color. He says that much in on the Sciel Friendship path.

I guess you missed at fucking cute and happy lune looked at the end
her and Maelles smiles + sciel cucking you is your life now and I will protect them all, versocuck
L + ratio + this is what you get for killing Gustave

She's a petulant child.

t. misanthrope

Alicia's ending is just funny.
You fight the part where Esquie and Monoco happily take care of the tickets despite knowing what's going on.

Hey retard why does Verso have white stripes in his hair

Are the cats driving your daughter insane and causing her to gradually expire? Why do you need a metaphor, the subject of discussion is the canvas. We can talk about what we know it does - gradually drive insane and destroy the health of women broken by grief over verso's death because it contains part of his soul and allows them to delude themselves into feeling like he's alive.

But have you considered that people can like things so Renoir is bad for not allowing thing? Don't ask about the nature of the thing btw

Aline did nothing to the people of Lumiere.

She killed them by refusing to ever leave the canvas, what she did to her family was brutal too.

I've come to think self-inserting AT ALL is a mark of mental illness.
Everyone going on about representation in video games are mentally ill.
The right frame is always seeing the characters as someone else or at worst your "creation".

If you see the character as yourself or have the need to do so you're a mentally ill narcissist unable to empathize.

Yes, which means he hasn't been able to keep up with dying his hair.

then why do you care so much about her stopping?

Yes. All cats do this. Literally cat plasma toxicity whatever it's called
Largely why women are insane

That was handwaved nonsense and you know it

she will always... le find it...

Bitch you didn't even try

Verso said he dyes his hair. That more of his whites is showing up means he hasn't been able to get it dyed.

She's just selfish like all the other Desseandre's.

At least she tried to be nice to Verso after keeping him alive by letting him age

When you're defending Aline that should tell you you're wrong

I guess you missed at fucking cute and happy lune looked at the end

Can you calm your feminine emotions long enough to type something intelligible?

this is what you get for killing Gustave

No, you can't, because the only thing motivating your arguments is hatred for a videogame character

Which is why not knowing the how much time passed makes it impossible to know what's really going down. This could have been just days after Renoir, or hours even.

Why do you need a metaphor, the subject of discussion is the canvas.

Motherfucker, every thread I need to endure ChatGPT/Sims/VR bullshit, and now metaphors are bad?

Both endings praised by depressed teenagers with family issues

The original creator intent was to tell them to go outside and touch grass instead of blaming others

Hmmmm

Alicia hid it.
Aline found it in like a couple irl minutes.

Alicia and Clea hid it, and Aline ended up finding it...

What did Aline do to the Lumerians that was wrong? The fuck?

She will always find it

Yeah, that sounded pretty dumb to me too, but she did find it.

This could have been just days after Renoir, or hours even.

They've spent days to weeks going around the continent creating the zombie expedition army and that has done fuck all to his hair.

Yes that's the point. They didn't even try to hide it properly. There are other painters and some organization, surely they could have done something with it

Verso's hair is pretty long, it'd take a long time for the grey to get all the way from his roots. Months, at least, meaning Alicia is really dragging her feet when it comes to helping any lumieren she's not personally best friends with. Unless she just repainted Verso with his natural hair color, which is possibly since he begged desperately for her to let him pass and she refused him that as well. What's a little hair color in light of that?

Painters have powers irl too, who tells you she can't just paint a door to it every time?

They didn't even try to hide it properly

Unless Clea was lying to feed Alicia's ego, which is the most OOC thing for her to be doing, Clea said that Alicia's choice of hiding spot was a clever idea.
Aline is just too good at hide and seek.

Aline goes to throw up because of spending like 4 irl days in the painting

it's in the shower

she goes right back in

But if time distortion exists why not just let Alicia live as Maelle, die in the painting and then be out in a month or two when she dies in Painting from old age or verso betraying and refusing to play the piano and killing her dv2th

Motherfucker, people have used absolutely retarded arguments against me and I have called them out on it, and now you're calling me out for doing the same?

Why would you engage in a tactic that you think is retarded? Because you're irrationally emotional.

That's going a bit too far. Magical doors and I cease to believe Verso just died to a fire bomb in the manor.

Verso was revived though.
Or maybe it had to do something with the fact that he was revived?

Painters have powers irl too

Do they?

No you see, MY ending is the good one and those retarded frogs dared to try and tell me otherwise

one ending is called "a life to love"

the other is called "a life to paint"

It's a true mystery

So Alicia has no control over the appearance of the person closest to her whose chroma is as freshly available as possible, but she can successfully bring back all of the lumierens?

There's a bunch of shit magically floating around in Renoir's atelier in the real world. Presumably their powers are pretty limited outside of canvases, but they are able to do SOME stuff.

Where is my life to dream you chink whore

Verso didn't got revived RETARD. He Is a COPY of the real one PAINTED by his mother. After learning the truth he himself said that he is not REAL

Why would she die Verso's hair? Are your retarded? She hates Verso and is torturing him and MADE HIM AGE

Aline lived 67 years in the painting, so unless she was just kicking around and pushing 100, she stopped herself from aging. There's no reason to assume Alicia wouldn't have done the same, and there's also no reason to assume that Alicia's body outside of the canvas would last long enough for Alicia in the canvas to die.

Dreaming is escapism. Love your fate.

He's not talking about that, he's talking about how Painted Verso was revived to be older and have no scar by Maelle

Renoir and Clea fixed the mansion themselves.

the devs are lying, only I see what they really meant

Because you'll seemingly die of physical illness irl before you die of old age in the canvas.
Aline was living in the canvas for 67 years post fracture plus an undisclosed amount of time before, and we saw how ill she was after. And that's with her not having any respiratory weakness (that we know of) unlike Alicia.

A fate imposed on you by someone else? No thanks

devs are lying! if one ending was not "the bad ending", then why do I feel shitty about choosing maelle ending huh?!

Ah, her first act is to intentionally torture the person she is closest to. The future is bright fellow lumierens.

Death of the author. Alan Faggotmore thinks Roscharch is a fascist violent pig.

I feel shitty about both endings actually

devs are lying

What the fuck are you talking about, they said both endings are bittersweet

If you don't think Verso is being tortured in the enemy, it is not my job to teach you media literacy

they're SO close to waking up, but the vast majority of them will just never cross the threshold. Wait a minute, who does that remind me of...
Yeah, gay beardman was trying to impart morals on you. The frogs explicitly were not and left it up to your interpretation. There was no author death to be had.

Fate is always imposed on us, because we don't drag ourselves into existance in the conditions we want, by the hair like we're fucking Baron Munchausen.

If you don't think Verso is being tortured in the enemy

You are coming apart at the seams man, what the fuck does that even mean?

even in the studio we don't agree with the ending

yeah, the people doing the animation don't agree with the writers

Can you show me any statement from a writer that wasn't just "it's up to you, player"?

The two characters I cared for both get fucked regardless, I can't make myself care for either world.

i can’t believe people actually think maelles ending was the good ending
versos was the good one. wake up child it’s time to face reality

Predestination is gay

This game made me want to learn French but then I remembered that the French gave up and gave themselves up like cattle to biggers and Muslims willingly and proudly throwing away their whiteness and I feel disgusted and grossed out thinking of investing in that race betraying language now

Most people are Versochads. Maellefags are just louder

Post the part where the dev tells him "you don't understand Verso" and also the one where he asks if the dude played the game.

I can't believe people actually think there is a "good" ending.

control Vietnam

but Vietnam would rather learn English instead

On the bright side, French brought baguette to the viets and viets use it to make 10/10 sandwiches.

The part where he spends a solid five minutes laughing at the dude for being butthurt about Maelle's ending

Maellefags are just louder

Just like toddlers when you ignore them

I have already headWRITTEN an ending I like, my mind is impervious to your attacks.

Pretty deep anon and can't say I don't agree
I too hate biggers

youtube.com/watch?v=yD5mQ7sGaPM&t=4s&ab_channel=siel

The whole interview is great and not that long, everyone should watch it.

soiman whines incessantly that the Maelle ending didn't feel good enough

half the maellefags on this board, the otherhalf admitting they just want to see Verso suffer.

Only if they do a Nier but I doubt it.

You VILL cease that and immediately engage in arguing over which sanctioned ending is objectively good.

I'm not asking.

TOTAL
WRIGGER
DEATH

Imagine going from qt 16 year old to hag 32 year old and thinking anyone is going to listen to what you have to say lmao
Pussy pass REVOKED

oh yeah?

Anon is a smelly fat and dumb idiot who nobody likes

feeling owned yet?

Part of interpreting multiple endings is comparing the possible outcomes. It's impossible they were equally anything, so one will always be "better", and thus deemed "good".
Verso ending is still sad as fuck, but there's plenty of reasons why one would call it the "good ending" one out of the two.

wen writers dlc

she cute

the main writer is IRL alicia

forcing us to discuss the ending for eternity like she forces verso to play the piano

maellefags, I kneel...

People praising this story never played a single assassin's creed game huh

Too many details on both endings are intentionally vague for them to be compared in any objective fashion.

Go play your nigger samurai game then faggot

Only if you're egalitarian and believe people are "entitled" to their existence.

versofags are slop enjoyers
maellefags are coping that the game is actually well written

TRVTH STENDHAL

the writers left it up to you!

yeah? well that's up to you

Compelling

verso isn't real even inside his fictional world. why does his opinion on anything matter?

Anon...

it's not about his opinion, the man saves Alicia's life twice
Both times she was endangered because of herself btw

The writers are not the arbiters of metaphysical philosophy lol
Creators are supreme over their creations, you're not entitled to anything, including your own existence, that goes beyond them. Any "right" you have is creator-given and creator-taken.

I guess that's up to you, nonny.

people are "entitled" to their existence.

The only way to invalidate the desire of characters like Lune or P. Alicia to exist is some weird deontological framework where if you are unable to resist it, any action done against you is amoral. I really don't like that thought.

Brb killing my child

Is it okay to just watch the cutscenes on YT

They should release DLC where each of the painted family members gets their own ending. It wouldn't take that much work and it would print money.

Invalidate? The erasure is definitely tragic, and also correct.

conflating metaphysics with procreation

Too many have done that in these threads

Are fictional beings also entitled to existence?
If I write Steve and his life on a piece of paper, is it a moral crime to destroy that paper?

Just play the game you stupid bitch why do you even have this as a hobby

That's just called being Muslim

just watch the twists, everything else is useless filler

No one is. Any entitlement you have is on a peer-to-peer basis, your metaphysical creator owes you nothing.

they should cheapen their art for money

One of the reasons this game is praised is because they're not handling it like a AAA studio

play 40+ hours of this slop anon! it's great!

yeah nah fuck off

No, she's too good for this world. Let her rest lest her brother breaks her heart again.

the man

he's not a man. he's not real.

your metaphysical creator owes you nothing.

Anon, their demiurges are just like them. They're the same imperfect mortals with drama and conflicts and flaws, they were just granted power over their existence due to fate being unfair.
They are fellows.

No one said it has to be bad.
That's fair though.

He isn't real

Not in the same sense the first Verso was, he definitly isn't, but he's real in another sense

They're not. A creator is not your equal in a sense that human ethics and morality apply onto it. By definition it can't be an equal.

then so are the other expedition members and everyone else in the painting, thus killing them all is immoral. checkmate.

power is power
if i had the power to do anything i want, everyone i would do would be correct and fair because i would have the power to do so

They are as real as paint Verso, yeah, which is a step down from the Dessendre family, the painters, even the maid that works in the manor and dusts the canvas on ocasion

guys please be aware that you're probably arguing with the same christcuck that has been in every versofag thread since launch

human ethics and morality apply onto it

That's a very Abrahamic way of thinking which doesn't apply to worldbuilding that is closer to ancient pantheons.

like pottery

christcuck

I'm 95% sure he's actually muslim, utter submission to their god is the basis of their theology.

How is that related? I can say what's right and wrong in the ancient pantheons just as well - man is not entitled to his existence in those too.

submission to God is "cucked"

Like pottery indeed. Rebellious teenagers all around. And you're ceding too much ground to islam by presenting it as unique

thus killing them all is immoral

Don't care, taking my wife and daughter back

Yoink

power is power

if i had the power to do anything i want, everyone i would do would be correct and fair because i would have the power to do so

Highly recommend you read the dialogue between Socrates and Thrasymachus if you haven't.

yes

nigga you've been discussing the same shit with the same arguments for almost a month, is this game the only thing between you and a crisis of faith or what

You've been seething at me for over a month is all I'm taking from you.

nigga come on, it's actually beautiful that your retardation is so unique that manages to stand out even on an anonymous imageboard, take it as a compliment

Thinking that God would be infringing on your "human rights" if He decided to erase you is unique retardation.

There are times when I think 4chins is the only site on the intertubes that has a majority of intelligent users (even considering shitposting).
Then there are times when I wonder if there are any people with IQ over 100 left after Rajesh, Xian, Sasha and generally bots deluged the imageboard after 2016.
Every time when a game with an ambiguous ending comes out we go through this shit.
No, there was no coin flip in Simon's case.
No, Maruki wasn't evil.
No, neither ending in Ex33 is truly good or evil, but Maelle's familly dealing with their grief by moving on is the implied "proper" ending. If the devs didn't want this to be the case the wouldn't have put a fucking horror sting at the end of Maelle's ending.

greyscale and horror sting = bad ending

Is this the >100IQ take? Not that I neccesrily disagree, but it's kinda funny that's your argument.

No, neither ending in Ex33 is truly good or evil, but Maelle's familly dealing with their grief by moving on is the implied "proper" ending. If the devs didn't want this to be the case the wouldn't have put a fucking horror sting at the end of Maelle's ending.

This is true, but I'm still hoping it gets some alternative where Verso and Alicia can overcome their grief and flaws without having to go nuclear, because a lot of characters were done extremely dirty in the story.
Call me a pussy all you want, but 2B and A2

If the devs didn't want this to be the case the wouldn't have put a fucking horror sting at the end of Maelle's ending.

the devs are also french which means they don't like anything unless misery is involved. better to let these authors stay dead yeah.