Why is cross considered worse than trigger?
Better battle system
Better music
Better twist
Better theme
Better supporting cast
Better side quests
Better endings
Better writing and plot
Better difficulty
Why is cross considered worse than trigger?
blame the boomers
-Battle system is a mess.
-Music is good but nowhere near CT's
-The story is nonsense and is not even finished
-The theme, like the story, is half assed sadly
-Only one character can be considered supporting cast, the rest are filler
-There is like 2 side quests and one involved a convoluted bird fight that makes no sense
-Nothing beats seeing the dream team
-Plot is not finished sadly
-The only difficult boss is the extra boss bird thing
i prefer Cross on every level, glad I played it first
It was too hard and the story too complicated.
More management does not make it better.
Debatable but I would say outside a few in Cross, Trigger has a better overall soundtrack.
A game doesn't need a twist to be good nor does a twist make a story good.
No, the cast never gets the work put int they need.
No again, Trigger just has way better sidequests.
Endings are way better in Trigger, the endings of Cross have almost nothing to do with most of teh game and only late game revelations so they feel detached from what you have cared about up until then.
The plot in Cross is a huge mess.
Cross is a very easy game and doesn't even need you to use it's main gimmick to easily win. Trigger is not hard but most people find it easy because they grind and fight every enemy even though the don't need to.
The giant cast was a symbol about multiple dimensions and timelines where Serge chose different people on his quest. Your choices change the outcome
because nintendo fanboys couldn't admit the PS1 was better than N64
Forcing to choose between the razzy and glen makes it 10x better. That little fairy will always hold a place in my heart
yea what a great final boss theme, huh?
I grew up with this game. The OST was always in my head. Good life. Game sucks tho. Mojo superiority,
Almost entirely because it wasn't a direct sequel. I guess fans wanted to play as Crono and friends and continue their adventures.
Endings are way better in Trigger, the endings of Cross have almost nothing to do with most of teh game and only late game revelations so they feel detached from what you have cared about up until then.
No it isn't. From continuing being lynx, living under the dragons, becoming fate, returning to the dimension serge died in but didn't, magus, giving up etc. the endings were all good
I like cross.
Its plot is however pretentious as hell.
Like holy fuck is it deep up its own ass with how intentionally pointlessly convoluted it is.
as someone who skipped the snes for mega drive and got into jrpgs on ps1, chrono trigger might be the most overrated piece of shit i've ever played. i get it if you played this shit as a kid and have nostalgia but it isn't that good
i always assumed cross was better but i don't care to find out
I don't care that the story doesn't really line up with Trigger or they dump a shit load of it at the end or that you can only get half of the characters based on saving Kid and the majority of them are useless, love this game.
Cross op
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How is it convoluted? If I, a 12 year old at the time could make sense of it all, then it's not convoluted
Kid is hotter than marle, Ayla, and lucca combined
i haven't played cross yet but I believe you
there's some really weird nostalgia bias going on with the praise of chrono trigger, such a mediocre game praised as the greatest rpg ever
What about Macha?
I thought Trigger's Lavos was harder than any fight in Cross except for the bird.
Macha included.
I used the fat mom in one playthrough. Better than her kid.
Akira Toriyama fanboys
It's a mess because it punishes idiots who keep spamming attack and heal. Since healing is limited and timing is needed or filtered a lot of people.
The giant cast was extremely boring and nothing else matters.
Your choices matter
Oh wow I could get nobody A or nobody B... thrilling
I'm playing Trigger right now and I don't see where the praise of the OST comes from. It's boring so far but the story seems pretty decent and the jumping around time keeps me engaged, but the music I gotta go through my playlist to play the game. When I enter a new dungeon or fight a boss I stop the playlist to see if I like, and so far I haven't liked any lf the songs.
You forgot those:
No soul
No charm
Not even 3 likable characters out of fucking 60
Not timeless
Character growth is closer to a SaGa game
Levels are always gated to progress
Story is hard to follow and is full of holes
chrono cross is a blurry mess, the 3d battle system is slow and takes forever, random battles out of the ass
anyone who says cross is better than trigger doesn't like video games
I could maybe redeem itself if it was remade or made with like AI upscaling
game falls apart story wise the moment you enter chronopolis
from there the game picks up speed and starts lore dumping you plot that it didn't have time to make
shame too, I really like the games setting and the idea of jumping between parallel worlds.
it's laughable how badly it shoehorns itself into the same world as chrono trigger when it could've been it's own thing.
should've kept lynx as the main bad for the whole story what the fuck squaresoft.
Not my fault you got filtered by the symbolism
Lolololol cross oozes charm and soul.
Harle, kid, razzly, serge, hell I liked the mushroom guy too. The pirate was good too
Character growth is closer to a SaGa game
And? Git gud
Levels are always gated to progress
Git gud
Story is hard to follow and is full of holes
Sounds like an American illiteracy problem you have.
Name the holes. Everything from the frozen flame to fate to kid searching for him is explained
Sounds like all zoomers complaints.
Hard agree honestly
More fun and less frustrating in general
I'm pretty much in the same boat. I'm genuinely curious about Cross, since it seems that it's a game that actually pulls off the things CT alluded to the idea of doing, but never actually did well, in far more in depth ways and was genuinely loved on release only to retroactively be hated by CT's fanbase for not being CT.
Trigger absolutely comes off as a kids game. It's purely about the fantasy of "going on an adventure with a ragtag group of buddies", but nothing it does has meaningful depth to it. It's completely about providing this illusion of adventure without actually giving it to you.
Most of Triggers cast has close to noting going for them character depth wise in the first place.
They're essentially unrelated games. Chrono Cross is far more of a Radical Dreamers game than it is a Chrono Trigger sequel.
But, if you want to compare them, Chrono Trigger had memorable characters and a fun, coherent story. Chrono Cross had 500 completely forgettable characters and a story that was typical JRPG nonsense.
Yasunori Mitsuda was absolutely cooking on both games though. Great fucking soundtracks.
cross is better simply for not having torisloppa artwork and actually being nice to look at.
random battles
they arent random.
if it was remade
it was.
It has higher highs but also lower lows and people don't like inconsistent games.
The same reason FF7 and FF10 are more popular than FF8 or FF9.
It has a worse story, worse music, a worse combat system, and ruins the old cast.
Cross was great because you couldn't grind your way to victory. It's about set ups and character combinations. That said everyone just used serge/lynx, harle/kid and that one OP gun fucker
The Crono Cross soundtrack is so fucking good, and I'm tired of pretending it's not.
chrono cross is a blurry mess
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The old cast barely existed and ruined the world trying to kill lavos
the final boss gimmick has some crazy sound tune shit
Song is the first 7 notes of the main theme
Holy fuck
No signature Akira Toriyama character designs
That's a good thing
Kill yourself crossfag
Because the battle system was shit, the twist sucked, the theme was boring, the supporting cast was nonexistent, the endings were bad, the writing and plot were terrible, and the difficulty wasn't.
never played it
op is a fag
Like always
The random battle music is complete shit. Sounds like circus music but everyone is drunk.
If they released Chrono Cross today, it would get so panned. But back then all the American reviewers were like OMG THE FAMITSU REVIEWS ARE SO HIGH THIS MUST BE A MASTERPIECE not realizing yet that Famitsu was a shill publication.
Why is cross considered worse than trigger?
because the Fanboys refused to Change
I don't care because both games have amazing soundtracks and it's a delight to play through them because of it.
Everything about it is worse. But the main issue is
-the enormous cast of characters that are spread out too thin.
-the atrocious localization where everyone has a wacky accent made it even worse.
-the writing makes no sense. With writer director Masato Kato even admitting and saying "don't worry about it, just enjoy the ride".
-It has one of the worst battle music themes in the entire genre
Also it's got nothing to do with trigger. It's a remake of Radical Dreamers. So comparing it to trigger is stupid.
About 50% of it is outstanding. The rest is that awful irish folk ho-down music that Mitsuda is obsessed with. He over-uses those awful whistle and fiddle instruments. It sounds fucking terrible.
if it was released today, it wouldn't be made the same way. God damn you zoomers are stupid
SOVL
I never knew they are related
Anyone who has a strong opinion on Chrono Cross is at least 35.
It ruins Chrono Trigger's happy ending, yeah, the ending supposedly fix it but is so fucking annoying vague that next ti nobody understood.
-the enormous cast of characters that are spread out too thin.
That's a good thing. I don't see you complain about this for suikoden.
-the atrocious localization where everyone has a wacky accent made it even worse.
Those were great. fuck you.
-the writing makes no sense. With writer director Masato Kato even admitting and saying "don't worry about it, just enjoy the ride".
How does it make no sense? I heard this complaint 4 times in this thread, yet nobody has told me any of the plot holes. What was so damn hard about parallel worlds where one of them Serge is dead the other he is not?
-It has one of the worst battle music themes in the entire genre
What's wrong with it?
Chaotic like how battles should be, and the flute in the middle of the song is great.
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Boss theme was fantastic
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serge uses the chrono cross on Lavos, merging timelines and dimensions together. gets lost
Kid searches for him and "fate" will have them meet again
OH the horror, so hard and vague. What is wrong with you?
I don't see you complain about this for suikoden.
It's an anonymous person on the internet. How would you have seen him complain about it for Suikoden?
Better writing and plot
it's not Trigger's battle theme
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Show the Chrono trigger cast being OK! Xbc3 did the same BS with the DLC not helping. Why is so hard to show the characters being ok? Why they have to be VAGUE?!
Worse writing. Worse cast. Worse characters.The entire cast is, without exaggeration, just an accent filter. I need you to understand this is a literal unbiased statement. The game literally takes the same dialog depending on what position the character is in, and just applies an accent depending on the character. Outside of them joining you and I think their specific quest, they are literally all saying the same dialog.
WTF are you talking about? Write out your thoughts clearly.
Yea that's the same with Trigger. Bringing Robo/Frog/Lucca/Ayla/Marle/Magus they say the same thing in their own way.
Robot voice
Medieval voice
Modern voice
Cave woman voice
whiny woman voice
...
get fucked, without knowing abusing weknesses activate retaliation attacks
just reset and stockpile reusable heal and strong elements, before being dimension locked
profit
but yeah, in retrospect just attacking and using neutral elements would be an easier strategy
I'm pretty sure most boomers never played Chrono Cross much less Chrono Nigger.
he doesn't like razzly
Worse writing.
Worse cast.
Worse characters.
You've literally never played CT, have you?
11lbs onahole as a teammember
Why would anyone choose someone else?
You've never played CC, have you?
confusing battle system where i can't tell how it decides if i get extra turns
yeah, the ending supposedly fix it
How?
Yea that's the same with Trigger. Bringing Robo/Frog/Lucca/Ayla/Marle/Magus they say the same thing in their own way.
No, you're misunderstanding. They have their own accents, yes. But their dialog is similar but not the exact same.. CC's dialog is LITERALLY the same. Not vaguely saying the same thing, the -LITERAL- same dialog just filtered with an accent. Again, this is not hyperbole or anything like that. The CC team literally were proud of this feature.
all these characters
only 3 members for a party
no split teams
no reason to use 4-5 characters
I hate shit like this. If your'e going to give us a huge cast, make us use them. FFVI does a great job doing this since at the end you're forced to use all 12 of them.
i liked robo's theme.
i named him rick when i played because he rick rolled me
nobody got Glen in their first playthrough
everyone just used Serge, Kid, and Razzly
that's actually intersting and i didn't know that.
does music have any thematic relevance on cross?
been years since i played
all those randomass endings
wtf
I love Chrono Cross, but it was rushed and not finished, they had to cut out major story threads, like Guile was originally supposed to be Janus Zeal, at least that's what I read decades ago in specious sources on the internet.
i used harle
Harle dies anon.
she deserved better
It ruins Chrono Trigger's happy ending
no it doesn't
fucking annoying vague that next ti nobody understood.
retard
1. that's only in the english version
2. I think it was neat
since in japanese the samey chat lines were handbaked, it makes it on par with trigger samefacey stock responses
The OST is the best thing about the game and it’s easily one of the best OSTs of all time. Anyone who tries to “pretend” otherwise should be tried as an agent of chaos and sent to a work camp.
But back then all the American reviewers were like OMG THE FAMITSU REVIEWS ARE SO HIGH THIS MUST BE A MASTERPIECE not realizing yet that Famitsu was a shill publication.
No one cared about Famitsu back then
no it was planned but writers thought it was retarded and wanted to keep Magus out of the game
It had that many characters?
Only remember Harle, Sarge and Kid.
Lynx somewhat vaguely, what was his purpose, I don't know.
it's not a real sequel. they just slapped chrono onto it so it would sell
Based
Glen and Harley are the only good characters on that list
You can miss glenn if you save Kid
I remember getting mad I couldn't recruit glenn.
yeah saving kid isn't worth it
Glenn is literally the strongest character in the game
Based post, anon. Robo’s theme hit different, real uplifting yet emotional in a weird robo-soul kinda way. Naming him Rick is god tier, he even walks with that stiff-leg swagger like he’s about to break into “Never Gonna Give You Up.” Peak JRPG character energy.
Only after doing his side quest with his brother and getting his second sword. Glenn is pretty mediocre until then. Just poor magic slots
This.
Thread can now be closed, thanks.
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fuck chrono cross and anybody who likes this piece of trash. JRPGs are about plot and the plot is shit. JRPGs are about the characters and theres 2 important ones and the other 500 are meaningless. JRPG is about dialogue and this one all 500 charactres have the same dialogue just with different accent filters stuck on them. Fuck bend of time, fuck the saving Kid bullshit "choice" that goes absolutely nowhere, fuck that they clearly made this game without chrono trigger in mind and then shoehorned in the connection at the last 5 mins because they realzied otherwise nobody would like this piece of shit, fuck the live vocal ending song cringe trash, fuck the "bend" of time this gay ass version of end of time, fuck the shitty ass battle system where nothing you do actually even matters until the final battle, fuck the fact they basically pulled down their pants and shat all over all the chrono trigger characters where loveable robo is now just this leftover mobo chip for chronopolis bullshit, lucca randomly dies in a fire, chrono and marle despite being superman and superwoman get chased out of their own kingdom, the funloving interesting city of porre is randomly now nazi germany 2.0 for literally zero reason, instead of exploring a bunch of distinct times aka areas filled with its own lore and creative direction its now just the exact same fucking place twice, fuck the only remotely interesting character (harle) disappearing halfway through the game doing absolutely nothing, fuck Magus larper "guile" who isnt even magus unlike in radical dreamers, fuck the you play through the entire game only for chrono to come in as a little annoying bitch ass brat telling you youre trash.
but it is the greatest OST of all time next to FF8.
ANY of you fucking larping "chrono cross" fans without looking name 6 playable characters from this game, their motives, stories, and their personalities, without looking. I don't even have to ask anyone this same question for chrono trigger cause i already know everyone knows fucking everyone's entire history, MBTI, family lineage, full narrative before, during and after gameplay, and can sing their entire theme song in the correct key, for every fucking playable character and like 10 nonplayable characters as well.
Leena: a country girl who misses her long deceased friend, who lloks just like (You)
Irenes: a mermaid who has a dead sister, wants to convince her brother in law to stop debt slaving her friends.
Orlha: Blonde bartender who has a missing twin sister.
Nikki: David Bowie who is on a mission to find his long lost sister.
Karsh: Villain turned into a friendzoned cuck, or vice-versa
Razzly: almost vored fairy which helps humans despite POLUTION EXTINTION MANKIND BAD
Bonus: (You): A faggot who refuses to change, with a mission to shitpost on a thread about a good game handicapped because of Trigger and mostly Le Final Fantasy VII/VIII
Levels are always gated to progress
This is a good thing tho. Difficulty should come from skill and builds, and never from grinding checks.
Wrong, these are RPGs. The end result is you just end up with the same broken party members every run because it's so simple.
If I wanted difficulty I'd play a action game or something where it's the entire point
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I remember the Steam port of Cross was shit on during release, is that still the case? The Trigger port got fixed eventually