"DELTARUNE" THREAD

woody theory will be proven right in less than 2 weeks

BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP

erm

Third chapter will break the mold completely.
No light world segment.
Tenna will be a good guy.
Toriel as antagonist.
Weather Spics as schizobosses.
Screencap this.

I believe weather schizo because of the unused "mr. sunshine" manticore/chimera design making sense as a fusion of the two

no yuri please :(

You need to take a break

It will have a light world segment at the end because there's some npc in chapter 2 that talk about things you can do "tomorrow"

Shitter who couldn't beat Jevil from a few days ago here. Finally got him just now!
What made the difference for me was to ignore Rude Buster and just use TP for Heal Prayer, despite that being the exact opposite of the recommended strategy. While the fight lasted more turns, I was able to stretch my items out longer as well.
Also, big thanks to the anon who suggested cheesing the ring-a-round attack by staying in the corner. Took way less damage than trying to dodge in a circle.
Now my Chapter 2 save has everything and I'm ready for the new stuff.

The whole chapter takes place during night, though. "Tomorrow" will be chapter 4.

11 DAYS

The "tomorrow" shit is just Toby being an asshole and making fun of the player for having to wait months and years until the next chapter comes out.

This OP is so fucking embarrassing
The thing on the right is sexy but these designs are by no means iconic enough to be schizo bosses.

Nah, Chapter 3 is JUST the Dark World that takes place overnight.
Rudy in Chapter 2 says he's going to go to church tomorrow.
Chapter 4 is the church chapter. It starts the following morning/afternoon after Chapter 3's nighttime adventures, where Kris and Susie hang out around Hometown, and then find out there's a Dark World inside the church, which is really fucking bad because either church will already be in progress, or several people will still be inside the church after service, like Alvin (and most notably and likely, Rudy.)

My personal strategy was to use Kris and Susie for attacks while Rals was defending at every opportunity. Thus I always had some TP stocked up if I needed any. Another idea of dubious quality was just not to revive downed teammates if the alive ones were healthy - they will eventually revive by themselves while you keep whittling at boss' HP instead of wasting turns and items.

Embarrassed by one of the more fun schizo theories

Yeah this isn't "iconic" enough (soulless marketer speak disguised as artistic critique)

Dogshit post.

pic

I wonder if this scene happens before or after Dark World in chapter 4. If it's before, it means Asgore in chapter 3 is pretty much confirmed. If it's after, it means that nothing really tragic happened in the church.

Do you think Spamton's design was iconic by itself? Like if you were shown just his sprite before the release, would you assume he's interesting enough to be a schizoboss? It's the whole package deal that made him so popular - his speech pattern, his lore, his shop segment, his actual fight. So it's just too early to judge.

It's hard to say honestly, Toby could've jumbled the order of the teasers, so picrel could actually be really early into Chapter 4 while everything else is Post-Dark World. What's really going to define how the church goes down is when it starts raining.
If the rain's before the Dark World, then yeah, things will probably stay peachy, against all odds. But if it doesn't rain prior to Kris and Susie leaping into the next Dark World, that's when it's time to start worrying about shit getting serious.

What if it doesn't rains at all? What if it starts snowing instead?

Just post the raving deltarune fingering chick already

I don't wanna wait 11 days 5 hours.

I like Noelle she's cute

please bully the doe

BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP

Would Noelle heil hitler?

she already dislikes trannies doesnt she

Elnina and Lanino spend the entire chapter showing embarrassing levels of PDA and trying to impress upon the group the benefits of a loving long term monogamous relationship

Toriel spends the entire time trying to diffuse their "lessons" and teach Kris and Susie to have more "realistic" expectations

This eventually culminates with Toriel breaking down and having a real chat with Kris about the divorce and its effect on him and Asriel

Toriel uses wording like "the event" in order to keep the plot vague

The pair, witnessing this confession, get the complete wrong idea and are convinced that there might be some accident or otherworldly force out there which will "divorce" them

They disappear to solve this problem as the plot continues like normal

If you go back to their weather report set right before the end of the chapter, the lights are dimmed, the wind is roaring...
[SEVERE WEATHER WARNING]
"Thethe weatherweather alwaysalways stickssticks togethertogether!"

Always fun to think about random bullshit despite the fact that they're definitely just funny side-bosses.

I don't remember this interaction with Sans/Toriel/Asgore, is it from a fangame?

You can walk into the building with the big SANS sign and it turns out to be a convenience store. If you go around to the left and back again Toriel appears to have this conversation.

Thanks for the info. Maybe I should replay Chapter 1/2 before the next chapters.

It's hard not to believe Kris is in a loop given they still follow the plan to open a fountain on weird route. It suggests their actions are super purposeful and that what's happening to Noelle and Berdly isn't important to what they're after. Or rather, that what they're after is so important and/or powerful that it makes that suffering irrelevant.

damn niggas how are you still here? not surprised that Anon Babble or wherever you came from, don't play coy became too autistic even for you, but surely you could restrain your powerlevel a bit, otherwise your resident schizos will just come here anyway
this not-general has been going since march or so? do you just intend to go on forever? you'll exhaust everything worth talking about in chapter 4 after four weeks at this pace

inb4 stop complaining / and yet you are here / what about other stealth generals

get a grip, anonymous, bitching is our sacred right

and yet you didn't sage
you stupid nigger

Mmmmh, thank you Susanne, very pungent indeed...

It's impressive how people like you invent such a superposition of fucking faggotry so that no matter from which angle someone looks at you, considers your viewpoint, or reads what you say, you'll always look like the biggest faggot in the room.

Deltarune title screen be like

booowowowowo

...If I was retarded, that is.

Well you are retarded because your stupid fucking "gotcha" post isn't even formatted right ya tard.

Cope, Woodynigger. You will be executed in 11 days.

I'm not really feeling any bite from your insults when you think coming into a thread and saying, "I'm a retard." is a real zinger. Couldn't even come close to actually insulting someone else. You would have had more success literally just saying, "This is retarded." but you really rubbed two braincells together and said, "I'm a retard."

as if you wouldn't bump immediately after my inflammatory post

people like you

boo-hoo, others come into your thread to complain, autism beams fly everywhere
even if i am the biggest prancing la-la homo man in the world, you are no less of an idiot
may your gay little corner end up exactly like homestuck did

I called OP retarded. Maybe you're the one lacking reading comprehension if you can't understand I was finishing the post.

wahh I didn't sage because nothing matters! nothing matters!!

fuck off pissbaby, don't complain if you won't take the minimum required steps to reach your preferred outcome. Don't reply to me again.

this reads like a post a rape victim would make
real kevin r. nash energy radiating from this post

You have to be on some level of fucking special ed if you think your generic clapback made sense on any fucking level. I feel like I'm beating down on a fucking autistic child in a wheelchair having this "conversation". It's like a fucking malaphor. Like you don't actually know how it works and you think you can just put words in other people's mouths.

I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt and almost think you tried to say "...Is what would happen if Toby was retarded." or "...Is what a retard would say." but instead this is just confirming to me that you really came in here and said "I'm retarded" as if this was some massive slamdunk against the other guy.

You're a raped bitch. You can cry about being called out all you want or try to elevate yourself above all and any discussion. But in the end you're just a fag who denies the very premise of an imageboard and still uses it. So your gape-level must be astronomic.

oh sweet a deltarune thread

anons having massive, scathing arguments over who they think the secret bosses are

Are you all 5? Lol

The time... is fast approaching...

Arguments

I mean the retard at least has an opinion (woody theory isn't valid). The other guy's just some random buckbroken fag.

This'd be really cool

WELL, IF YOU INSIST, NOELLE! I'VE BEEN PRACTICING MY CLOACA QUEEFS!

he woke up

your gape-level must be astronomic

actual BTFO-tier comeback, holy shit

you did get time off to play the game on release right?

Asgore's anus dark world

uh bro the game literally comes out in 10 days

You think I have a job?

he didn't talk to every single npc after dark world segments

time to replay the game, anon

yes, my vacation leave starts the week that the chapters release

I work in the mornings, so I’ll have some time to play afterward

kino

Like you don't actually know how it works and you think you can just put words in other people's mouths.

... which I can do anytime BTW. Forgot to add that in my autistic rant. Also I'm extremely retarded. Forgot to add that to my post.

I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt and almost think you tried to say "...Is what would happen if Toby was retarded." or "...Is what a retard would say." but instead this is just confirming to me that you really came in here and said "I'm retarded" as if this was some massive slamdunk against the other guy.

... which it was, BTW. I forgot to add this to my post. The other anon freaking destroyed me.

No, and my shift starts the hour the game releases

Why are you and the other guy so dedicated to this? Nobody cares

Nope, but my one day off a week is Wednesday so Toby did me a huge favor with this early release

Different person.

I like Catti

what is inspect element

Is this even Anon Babble?

No, even if the release is literally in the middle of my shift I can just W A I T to play it when I get home

But I don't wanna wait.

Is it a good time to catch up to this and play chapter 2 or should I leave it for the next weekend?

noelle shits her diaper

play it now so you have time to think during the WAIT

Can you guys stop spamming scatshit?

I love this image so much

you act like spamming scat on this board is completely normal

Susie and Noelle sharing a diaper

I say do it now, Chapter 2 has a lot of weird tiny choices and secrets and you might want to play it multiple times to set some things up. You don't want to get burnt out before new chapter releases and end up getting spoiled if you decide to take a break

i don't think i'm prepared for the hordes upon hordes of catti porn that chapter 4 will bring if she's on the dark world

MY NAME IS THE FUCKING VESSEL OH YEAH! [X2]

TIME TO PLAY!
NO? WELL TIME TO DIE
'CUS I AM NOT NICE.
NO I AM NOT NICE.
I'LL STAB YOU IN THE FACE 'TIL I MAKE YOU DIE.
WATCH ME USE MY SECRET KNIFE.
I PUT BOMBS IN YOUR BELONGINGS.
THEY CALL ME THE SOUL THIEF. UH.
THE WAY I DISPERSE GRIEF. UH.
AND I DON'T LIKE TO PLAY BY THE RULES.
SO IN MY BUNKER YOU WILL BE DOOMED.

MY NAME IS GASTER.
I MADE THE VESSEL.
IT WAS DIFFICULT TO PUT THE PIECES TOGHETER.
BUT UNFORTUNATELY SOMETHING WENT SO WRONG.
AND NOW I CAN'T DO ANYTHING, BUT SING THIS STUPID SONG!
MY NAME IS GASTER (gaster gaster gaster).

IT'S TIME TO [FIGHT] AND [ITEM].
NO TIME TO [ACT].
IT'S TIME TO [FIGHT] AND [ITEM].
NO TIME TO [ACT].
MY NAME IS
IT'S TIME TO [FIGHT] AND [ITEM].
NO TIME TO [ACT].
IT'S TIME TO [FIGHT] AND [ITEM].
NO TIME TO [ACT].

MY NAME IS DECEMBER.
DAD I WANT SOME EGGNOG.
DECEMBER.
THAT IS MY NAME.
DECEMBER.
I WANT ANOTHER.
DECEMBER.
WHERE IS MY GUITAR?
I AM RUNNING OUT ON THE FOREST.
THERE IS AN ICE-E.
AND IT'S GOING TO KILL ME -AHHHHHHH!

MY NAME IS THE FUCKING VESSEL OH YEAH![X6]

MY NAME IS PLAYER, AND, I COME TO FUCKING LAY HER. YUH.
'CUS WITH MY ANGEL POWER I AM GOING TO MAKE YOU SCREAM LOUDER. HEHA!
IT'S AN ANGEL ATTACK, BITCH.
THE HEAVEN IS COMING TO TOWN.
SO SIT YOUR ASS DOWN AND GET READY FOR A ANGELLLLL ATTACKKK
NO. NOT THE ANGEL.
WHAT HAVE I DONE.
I AM SORRRYYY.
IT'S TIME TO [FIGHT] AND [ITEM].
NO TIME TO [ACT].

(PROGRAM CLOSED)

The schizo boss will be a mr blue sky reference

Okay, maybe this is a bit far-fetched, but I'm convinced that Toby is making subtle political insinuations against the CCP government.

Chapters 3 & 4 of DR will be released on either June 4th or 5th, depending on the time zone. June 4th is the date of the Tiananmen massacre in China, when the army opened fire to quell protesters, and June 5th is the date of the famous Tank Man photo.

Toby released a new video about his new Chinese-themed enemy "Guei" on May 20th, the very day China declared martial law and mobilized its troops.

If the word "Guei" is interpreted as a sad ghost that died unjustly, it can refer to the victims of that event. Or, if it is an evil spirit, it could refer to the soldiers?

The date "June 4" is indeed widely viewed as politically sensitive and censored on the Chinese internet, and what many people don’t know is that Toby actually speaks Mandarin, has been to China, and has even sung a rap song in Mandarin. bilibili.com/opus/815414668024610853

Therefore I don't think our autistic guy would have been unaware of the sensitive connection. This can only mean that he chose this date intentionally, just like he also intentionally let the enemies speak Chinese untranslated.

The theme of chapters 3 & 4 is television. Perhaps something to do with live broadcasts and news. I'd bet that 3 & 4 will be related to the 1980s (just like chapter 2 to 1997).

It's time for a litmus test.
Is Kris the knight or not?
You should be able to solve this

Kris is simultaneously the knight and isn't the knight at the same time, it will be explained later

Kris is the Knight.

kris is NOT the knight

Yes Kris is the Knight. Everyone who can't see this mindbroke themselves during the wait.

kris is the most recent knight

I shit myself

Why does the real Kris shamble when he walks

no sovl

He just tore his own soul out

Autism

too much textual and metatextual evidence against Kris Knight and the only evidence in favor is that we saw him create a fountain after learning that anyone can make them.

too much [headcanon] and [fanfiction] against Kris Knight.

See you in 11 days.

I am the knight.

now THIS is the schizoposting i come here for.

The only evidence is we saw him do the thing we know the Knight does

Funny part is that's overwhelmingly strong evidence even ignoring the countless other pieces that I wont bother to mention.

Somehow the player - lay her part is less bad than the original songs line

I can't wait for both sides to be proven wrong at the same time so you all look really stupid for arguing so strongly

But it's not conclusive. Kris was there when Queen helpfully provided a fountain creation tutorial.

Berdly was about to make one.

actual kino schizopost

Kris plugging the TV between chapters proves he already knows the mechanics of how Dark Worlds are made.

But we know they already knew how to because they prepared for it the night before.
He didn't though because he's not the Knight.

Kris is a time traveller

Kris is the Knight. Not because of any evidence in the game or anything like that, but because his name starts with K

Maybe they just planned to have Susie stay the night, and only planned the dark world after queen explained it

where did the twin peaks schizos go? I really like the friendship bracelet = dess was raped by azzy and pizzapants theory

Friendship

FindHerPis

FindHerStarpist

Find Her Rapists

The Knight is Kris's third personality named Risk

Wake me up when Toby stops being a hack.
Or if there's any other human besides Kris

No. Kris just wanting to watch TV is stupid and serves no narrative purpose.

So he was just going to slash his mom's tires no matter what because... he was too shy to ask for a sleepover?

I wouldn't put it past the character considering all of the townsfolk describing Kris as a turboautist

real talk: is queen a mac or pc?

he plugged in the TV to watch it while eating pie

tard class theoryfags will be VINDICATED

Or, have you considered that he could be the knight and wasn't planning on doing insane psycho shit just to hang out with his friend?

Queen explained how to make Dark Worlds

Yes but she didn't explain how you can manipulate the Light World to change the Dark World. Kris just already knows that which is more knowledge than Queen has.

kris is like 16 years old

his mom still holds his hand when going to school

his teacher and entire class all treat him like a special needs kid

Gamer guano...

She didn't have to, Ralsei already did.

Or he did it because he knows Tenna will only become a Darkner if he is turned on, Like Queen.

Kris knows the method for creating a Boss Darkner even before the start of Chapter 2 and planned for it. How do they know this unless they're the Knight.

Gaster takes pity on kris and summons (You) to cure his autism

that's it. that's the plot

... King?

Tenna will only become a Darkner if he is turned on

according to who?

Then how did they know they were going to find out how to open a Dark Fountain. They just set up the TV on the off chance they found out? Or is it more likely they already knew how to open fountain pre-Chapter 2 as well. Why would they know this unless they're the Knight?

Why else put this in?

So Deltarune is like a denpa game right?

Not even

already btfo'd kris is the knight fags this week

feels good, see you guys in 2 weeks
tip to the others in this thread, kris turning on the tv during the night of chapter 1 is a valid piece of evidence, dont bother trying to cope against it

I will only play it on full release. By that time, I'll be in Alphys's shoes excepta bit less fat. as a deadbeat teacher, not as a woman
2030 is fine too

Then what's Deltarune supposed to be about?

EsCaPiSm

not as a woman

shame

find her pis

it's all just build-up to toby's fever dream

doesn't SEEM to be plugged in anymore

doesnt mean its not plugged in
kris!knight fags lose again

see

Why does one have brackets and the other doesn't.

[S] Kris: Ascend

The fact Queen was explicitly turned on before the fountain was made.

You're ESL.

genuine schizo theory incoming:

the chapter 3 schizo boss comes from the dragon drawing book and is susie
she is imbued with dream energy from asriel which allowed her to become neo and escape into the light world. this is why she is homeless and has no known family, and is also why she doesn't understand the dark/light divide and why lancer/ralsei can't come out
the only way to even begin to learn this is via the shadow mantle which requires a long multi-chapter quest.
there will be an obscure area in the chapter that you can't go to (i.e. the book) and the shadow mantle will allow you to get there
she becomes an item in your inventory from this point on and is replaced by berdly in future chapters.

I was going to but turns out I have Thursday, Friday and Monday off that week

Kris Undertale
Frisk Deltarune

Kris knight fags..? Do I have to argue FOR you too? Why didn't you bring this line up? Kris is planning EVERYTHING.

rudy knows about it, he asks if kris is preparing for his hand washing marathon
rudy can also tell kris to take susie to the movies
which kris literally does by making a tv movie dark world
kris is the knight but he's working for rudy in secret

Chara is supposed to be fat and plump

It's simple
Toby once again pulled wool over the eyes of knight!kris fags

this is the only chara thing i have

Narrator theory

lol
lmao, even

since this actually sounds like an interesting twist, it has absolutely 0% chance of happening

He didn't only because Ralsei stopped him. There was magic coming from his halberd

Got time off from 4th to 7th, just in case.

alright krightfags, tell me how the animated intro could display kris being the knight without giving away that they're the knight
also why would the knight be the big dramatic final villain in the opening if their identity is revealed in chapter 2?

The Roaring Knight is me, I will be taking all questions at this time.

Kris is a knight

dark world outfit changes based on your persona while entering
the kris we see is his proper persona, dons the knight (true) persona and has a different outfit

doesn't explain my second question

youtu.be/YCs4ZS-H3UA?si=H5Bk_cTWN8Y2HGIm

Kris telling Undyne his scheme and how its dangerous to fuck himself over for no reason

I think Kris is doing things under Ralsei's orders.
Remember that Ralsei talks to Kris, privately, away from the player. Ralsei is mysteriously able to travel between fountains with no issue, Ralsei tries to get Susie to ignore Kris having a mental breakdown after the Spamton fight, and Ralsei seems to know the player is there too. Kris also hates Ralsei tea, and Ralsei is for some reason a carbon copy of his brother.
It would make sense to me that Kris got lonely after Asriel left, and after researching the occult, made a darkner tulpa clone of his brother to have someone to talk to, and that started all of this.

What is Ralsei?

lmfao you cant be serious with this
go watch andrew cunninghams video on the narration if you are

A sentient device, like Pluey

Asriel cum rag

retarded video that fails to realise that e.g. kris taking out the soul is a twist

also why would the knight be the big dramatic final villain in the opening if their identity is revealed in chapter 2?

Have you ever heard of a red herring
What appears to be a final antagonist could just be one of the antagonists aling the way, with a bigger bad in the background

Unironically Flowey.

Ralsei is a normal Darkner being, just like you and me.

Showing any character would reveal the Knight it's not meant to be that big of a deal, It's revealed in Chapter 2 of the game. Showing Kris might at least make some players pause and question what it means. You only know the intention was to show the Knight because Toby told you that. If it were to just show you Kris players might not make that assumption.

why would the knight be the big dramatic final villain in the opening

Because the player character also being the antagonist driving the plot forward creating the Dark Worlds is a pretty cool twist and worth showing off in the intro.

Gaster dressed himself up.

I am the eggman, they are the eggmen
I am the walrus, goo-goo g'joob

The bosses would've been spoilers as well, yet they would still be in the intro.

I don't think he is, and definitely shouldn't be, especially if it's some contrived body double thing or secret third entity possession bullshit.
for all we know Ralsei told Kris to do it in the Ch1 segment where we're away from them both, but yeah, it's the one thing apart from the very obvious Ch2 ending that serves as evidence

kris is not only the knight but will not be the player character in the final chapter

I don't think he is, and definitely shouldn't be,

Good thing you aren't Toby.

is a pretty cool twist and worth showing off in the intro.

contradiction in terms

yet they would still be in the intro

in silhouette

No it's not. You watch it with no preconceptions you see one thing. You watch the reveal in game and rewatch the intro and suddenly you understand what it really means.

tfw will have to go without internet until I beat both because you KNOW some sick fucks will play chapter 4 first and post everything

you see one thing

...which is?

Just like the Knight.

Just Kris. You don't have the context of the game to know what it means. You wouldn't assume they're the Knight (you don't even know what the Knight is) when first watching the intro. You only gain that context after playing the game.

transdrew cunnyham

yeah nah im good can u sum it up for me? ill even take it at face value

A miserable little pile of dust

you're going to get proven wrong in 11 days when Ch4 shows a cutscene of the real knight opening the church fountain or it'll be written out in no uncertain terms that the knight is not Kris
is English your 2nd language? this doesn't make sense at all and it's a horrifically lame "twist" in Deltarune's context on top of that

101% Darkner with a 1% margin of error

Sex incarnate

We just don't know.

for all we know Ralsei told Kris to do it in the Ch1 segment where we're away from them both

this would prove jaru's "shadow crystals see the future, ralsei has one and is such a good guy that he doesnt turn into a schizo and just rolls with it"

Everybody who uses X!Y writing methods is fucking autistic

Which part don't you understand?

you'd assume there's some reason why kris I was running towards kris II who was placed with the bosses

Why is people using scrapped content as piece of evidence?

It's all connected, Toby wouldn't scrap information if he didn't intend on making it relevant.

How can you really say that Ralsei is any better than the other schizos if that's true. Jevil relishes in the freedom of none of his actions mattering, Spamton tries to break free of his strings, and Ralsei just accepts his role as an agent of fate, not once trying to deviate from his role as a guide character.
He's just as hopelessly nihilistic as the rest, and if he really is ordering Kris to open fountains, just as destructive

Noelle's whole thing is that she can break the game to access unused shit
See her clipping out of the battle screen after she freezes berdly

Jevil relishes in the freedom of none of his actions mattering

Thats why hes the best.

toby, the man that knows how ravenous his fanbase is and deliberately leaves behind crumbs in the code for dataminers to find

clearly he didn't mean anything with those assets and left them in by accident!

sure buddy, if so then why weren't they removed in patches like the actual genuine mistakes that were fixed later?

Why does Ralsei Blanca use pink eye shadow

sure
the video just compares like 90% of the narration in the game and tries to find a pattern
the conclusion is that there just isnt any consistent pattern. the brackets are used at random etc.
the image you posted basically just doesnt work when you try to apply that theory to the entire game. narrachara was a plausible theory because of the new home narration in which it literally reads stuff like "it's me, chara" but in deltarune the narration follows no rules and is probably isn't any specific character

Best piece of evidence for Kris Knight are the TV and handwashing lines implying that the end of chapter 2 was premeditated. It is strong evidence, but not conclusive now that we know any lightner can make a dark fountain.
Strongest piece of evidence against Kris Knight is that none of the people who have seen or met the Knight so far even hint at him being anything like the Knight, but there's also a bunch of other weaker points that also needs to be explained away.
And most of it can be explained away in theory, but at a certain point there's just too many contrivances for it to be good writing.

kris knight fag's bedroom dark world

One thing is "scrapped" content like the voice in the code and the whole deal with "Gaster", things that were MEANT to be found and another one is literally scrapped content, like what the intro was, its scrapped, unused, who knows why, but does that REALLY matter.

sounds reasonable, i will refrain from using the narrator argument from now on

Nothing is ever really scrapped.

ah I thought you were talking about left over assets in the game like the bleeding susie sprites
I agree the intro is external content from the game so it's hard to assume if its actually valid or not, and toby said he would likely not do it

The Vessel is.

it's not even scrapped anymore retard it's in the fucking trailer for chapters 3 and 4

Goner...

that is different from the first intro toby said he wanted, and he said that animation was made specifically for the trailer and won't be in game

How hard would it be to make a deltarune fangame?

le krispy kreme knit!

explain why he genuinely wants undyne to know about the fountains.
would it not be against his goals to let the police force know about the fountains, thus making them active at night and fucking over the ability for him to go around making fountains?
also its just a rehash of OFF's twist, toby isnt stupid enough to just rehash OFF in a more obvious and arguably less satisfying manner

Ask the guys at the yellow threads, one of them made a deltarune fangame in godot in just a few months

black ralsei in the trailer

will toby cuck out and have him hooded to not give us any toriel interactions?

no. kris is technically A knight going off the ending of 2, but he isn't THE knight.

Man I don't care what Gaster turns out to be, if he'll even physically show up. I just wanna kiss him on the cheek and see his reaction.

You will get concept art redditor Dedan Papyrus and you will like it

that depends, what do you think of this image?

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[[Don't believe me?]] [Just Look!] AT HIM! HE CLEARLY WANTS GAY GAY

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WITH YOU, KRIS. AND HOW WILL [[(you)]] EVER GIVE [[Mi Mamacita]] A [[Thousand Grand!]] CHILD IF YOU END UP WITHAT GOAT SKANK? ? AT LEAST THE LIZARD COULD GET SOME [[ Kids in the oven ]] AND YOUR [[Side Chick]] COULD BAKE SOME [[Gingerbread Men]] AS WELL,

BUT [[tutorial]] WONT ACCEPT A [[F@#$%]]. NOT A SECOND ONE, AT LEAST

ASECOND goat1 @ THE FUCKIGN [[ WORST]]

KRIS/ PPLEASE/ KRIS<<< YOU NEED. TO. [[ Listen Closely]]

DO NOT. FU#T%! THAT [[Little Nipper]], YOU HEAR ME? TORIEL NEEDS [[GRANDKID]]< YOURE OURE [[Only Hope]], KRiST!

MONSTER. PUSSY. FIND IT.

To be fair, we don't even know anything about knight's real motivations. It's all just King, Queen and Ralsei making their own assumptions about what he actually wants.

This trailer is pissing me off....

I am the ANGEL

I'd say left is better

ganbarre

right is the raw asset for the soul
left is what happens when you put it in fullscreen deltarune (mixels)

Ok what are you getting at then?

All we can do for The Knight in general is theorize, but the most important details we need to recognize are that King devotes himself to The Knight, something that wouldn't happen if they were a Lightner, and that Queen can't make heads or tails of what The Knight is even supposed to be, and just calls them an "it" as a result.
This leads me to wonder if Kris Knight is correct, but people are looking at it the wrong way.
Namely the idea that Kris, who is meant to represent Frisk and Chara simultaneously, has been split into two: The body we control, and the original SOUL that was removed, which makes room for the SOUL we command, else we wouldn't be able to hijack his life as easily as we can.
That is to say, alongside our vessel, Kris' real SOUL was discarded, and now his SOUL is in opposition of us, using what we were supposed to inhabit to carry out whatever plans he has. Find Dess? Sever our connection to the game so he can reset and get back his life? His tumble into the dark yet darker meant he saw the game's script and is now acting it out with the intention of reaching the credits sooner so you'll fuck off, and then he can live his life again? Who the fuck knows.
You can even argue the premeditation goes as far back as the end of Chapter 1 where Kris rips you out of his body just so he can go eat pie, ensuring that Toriel and Susie have to spend extra time baking a new one tomorrow.
Even apart, the SOUL and Body are still connected by a loose thread. All the body has to do is call out while (You) can't hear, and the SOUL will respond. Just as Noelle responds from afar in Snowgrave.

That Toby is hack and fraud.
Didn't he had a tweet early on that Undertale is the game for people who like mixed-size pixels, or something like that?

that toby's spriting practices are shit and if you work on a deltarune fangame they will eventually start to annoy you.

Oh my god
Flowey is the Knight

Just use the small menu soul sprite for everything, it's what DRY anon did

I simply will not sleep that night

youtu.be/H0ZHJKV6JFg
IT'S UP EVERYBODY

they're ALL darkners

susie comes from the drawing dragons book
ralsei comes from the manual
krismas comes from noelle in a way we don't understand yet.

sans doesn't have a photo of them, he has a poorly drawn picture on a card. they're not real and were never real.

unfortunately i want to remain as faithful as possible.
so my human will use the mixel soul and i will NOT be happy.

undertale 3

deltarune doesn't have mixels, it is a 480p game that adheres to 480p pixel structure

episode 3

diapertale 4

it gets messed up if you stretch it to fit fullscreen at a different aspect ratio

this is user error

Let's see who will be proven wrong, then. I will be waiting.

yes, and RPGmaker has a button to lock an aspect ratio for this exact reason.
allowing you to go fullscreen with a black border while not fucking the game's pixels.

Goner!Frisk will return.

explain why he genuinely wants undyne to know about the fountains.

We don't know if that's Kris asking. The SOUL can ask and say shit Kris wouldn't do, like saying to Sans that is nice to see him again.

X!Y writing

???

The final schizo blackpill is that none of it's real. Noelle isn't real. Sans isn't real. Dess isn't real. Asriel isn't real.
No one is real.
DELTARUNE isn't real.
Not even the Annoying Dog is real, despite being the author's self-insert, as evidenced by him disappearing when you commit to Snowgrave by icing Berdly.
The hardest truth to swallow for both player and the universe itself is that it only exists because of the extremely basic desire to show others an ending that came from a fever dream.
But even if it's all fake, there's still a narrative.
Enter Gaster, who transcends spacetime, and is aware of UNDERTALE, a similarly false universe that only exists because of that desire to create a game for that fever dream ending requiring gamedev experience.
Then look at how he knows of US, the players from beyond. All the fanart, stories, love and care we hold for this false reality.
The reason he wants us to connect to DELTARUNE and play it is because he wants us to apply that same meaning to the universe. To make it more than its barest purpose.
DELTARUNE as a whole is a Darkner, and it can only receive meaning from (You).

Do you think they'll have Kris talk in this game eventually

Basically, escapism is bad.

we can, yes. but we know kris wants to because he goes into detail without further prompting from us.
if he didnt want to he'd just say "there is a dark world in the school"
like how we know kris's choice is susie because all of his answers for "who would you take to the carnival" are awkward except for susie.
or how we know that kris just wants to let it all out after the spamton fight, if you pick yes he says it through gritted teeth and if you choose no he just breaks down.

it will probably be like mother 3 where if you don't control a character, they are able to speak, so it will happen when eventually the soul leaves kris either for the vessel or noelle

imagine not owning a 4:3 screen and getting dabbed on by toby.

Gaster tells us the future is in our hands. It literally is, because DELTARUNE does not have a future beyond its base existence as "making the game to this ending I dreamed up."
And by actively denying that mission, by refusing to continue when we die, then "the world was covered in darkness."
Both metaphorically, and literally. If the player cannot grant meaning to DELTARUNE, or at the very least see the ending, then it will fall into darkness, unable to fulfill its only purpose for existing, nor have a chance to be granted new meaning by the player.

ANOTHER CHUD VIDEO JUST HIT REDDIT
youtube.com/watch?v=gVDp80zaPk4

nobody is giving you views, fag

all you fags trying to cash in are pathetic.
fuck off and shill your videos elsewhere.

no. im still gonna be busy as fuck trying to pass my semester in uni

inb4 what do you major in

film, so I can make violent pornography (choking chicks and sodomy) for a living

you can have a (you) but you're not getting my view
fuck off

No shit the videogame isn't real. Revolutionary post.

It's either a loop or what I just call reverse bird cage theory (because idk anyone else who's brought it up as a full named theory), where Kris always does the same things in the endings purely because he's trying to separate from us, but without us he has no [Freedom Sauce] and thus gets unknowingly stuck to another script

Remember

by "locking aspect ratio" i mean not allowing the game to be multiplied by a non-whole number size.
the screen's aspect ratio doesnt matter as much as its size since you cant have half a pixel.
if you have a screen thats simply twice as tall as deltarune's default resolution, then fullscreen will work fine no matter how wide the screen is.
but if you have one thats even 1.1 times taller than deltarune's default then it'll fuck up and make mixels when you fullscreen it.
it could even fuck up on a 4:3 screen thats not the right size.

The SOUL can give details, too, like when Noelle says it has a "terrifying voice"

scrapped and irrelevant

it is not in game so it doesn't matter anymore

I knew that jevil was a shadow of the player but for some reason I never made the cage connection.

can hear his own battle theme

can speak in a different font

what the fuck? why hasnt anyone brought this up?
youtube.com/watch?v=7tSF1A38iww

I can fix him.

The difference is, the GAME ITSELF is being forced to acknowledge that nothing about it matters, that nothing about it has any objective value to the unfathomable world that exists a layer above it.
Its value and meaning are solely subjective. And that's just perfect for the intended angle of "play Deltarune after you play Undertale" because your sentimentality and how far you're willing to take things will determine what kind of experience you get from Deltarune.
You want the best ending for everyone? Put in some elbow grease and you'll get that.
You want to see what happens when everything goes horribly wrong? Sure, but it's not gonna be as easy as "dance in a wall until But Nobody Came."
You want to see absolutely EVERYTHING the game has to offer? Good luck figuring out that one across three save files with unique attributes, buddy.

Remember
Noelle isn't a main character
Nor a member of the fun-gang

mixels are not only inherent to old display tech but were done intentionally. games would be created at non-4:3 ratios and then intentionally stretched when rendered. the SNES had an internal resolution of 256x224. toby has done literally nothing wrong.

Something someting red herring because that guy is way too suspicious and weird.

He's the Rules Card. He can do whatever he wants because he literally makes the rules, but he's simply too unimaginative to use that for anything truly dangerous, so far at least.

people have compared him to gaster for years

THE WHOLE FUCKING INDUSTRY IS WRONG

He's the strongest.

I still believe that he is the mystery man and people who think that's gaster are in for a rude awakening

what the fuck is cirno doing here

noelle is the angel making her at least as important as kris and ralsei

It's an easy enough detail to miss but I never stopped thinking about it, when Kris throws you into the cage you are still in control of yourself. In the small area you occupy you have total freedom to move how you want however much you want, whereas kris is unable to do anything but pull out his knife and go for the pie. Without you he's just another pawn of the universe, existing to push the story forward however it specifically wills.
Jevil was chased out of the kingdom for the madness that sprung from his enlightment, and as a result everyone got themselves stuck back in the same, unchanging script while he gets to watch from beyond the wall and play his own games. No matter what you do in Ch1, every one of the card kingdom denizens end up in castle town one way or another, but Jevil gets to have a dynamic fate all his own that simple fate cant force on him. What's so different between the two of you in these moments?

toby's put way too much emphasis on her in the past three years for her to just be a side character, to the point where based on the arg stuff alone she's borderline the main character of the whole thing

YOU ARE ABOUT TO MEET SOMEONE VERY, VERY, WONDERFUL.

can speak in a different font

speaks, with audio, in English (the only other characters able to do this are Jevil and Spamton)

his attacks can physically interact with the SOUL box (shared with King, Queen, Jevil, Spamton)

she's the yuna to susie's tidus and kris's seymour

deltarune doesn't have mixels

What about the small portraits? I think it's one of the reasons why game is actually 960p internally.

given that nobody comments on kris after the jevil fight, it'd hard to say if he had a similar reaction to it as he did with spamton
iirc he does turn away after you beat him though, for whatever reason

what does this mean

Nah, they are just old.

You are right. She's a main antagonist.

cirno is the knight theory

You're right. She's the major antagonist instead.

That's rough buddy

Varik/Ares is the ROARING Knight.

lol, good post

blue

larps as a pirate

likes to talk shit

overestimates his abilities

has irons in every fire

all of them

This gets dampened a little if his reaction is unchanged if you skip Jevil, but I believe he only reacts to Spamton like he does because Spamton is confirming/reaffirming what Jevil posed in a way more harsh manner. Jevil enjoyed and embraced his fate whereas Spamton fought against it, showing how painful a life without true freedom and knowing you lack it can be. When you beat Jevil he's indifferent and joins right away, when Spamton's strings are cut he's just out cold, only being able to do anything once he's haphazardly strung back up to the ceiling with what strings remained. With Jevil there's room for kris to look away and think "I can do better, he's given up but I wont", not so easy to cope after seeing Spamton's same hope get crushed so hard

everybody thought that the schizobosses were metaphors for Kris seeking freedom from being controlled by the player

they're actually a metaphor for player freedom, and players seeking to break the bounds of the game

... which is Kris, btw.

We all know about the song "Don't Forget", right? What if I told you that it referenced something else.
Remember when Toriel mentioned "Super Smashing Fighters?" Around that time Toby likely contacted Sakurai and told him to put the Sans costume in. Probably he even showed off Deltarune to him. I have a feeling that SSB has turned into one big Deltarune reference.
"When the light is running low" - Dharkon attacks immediately after Galeem GTFO's, also notice the intense theming of darkness in Sora and Sephiroth's trailers, and the absence of light being a cause.
"And the shadows start to grow" - Notice how the puppet fighters are consistently portrayed as shadows or heavily covered in shadow.
"And the places that you know seem like fantasy" - The Light Realm and Dark Realm feel more fantastical than previous locations, and even have guardians controlling spaces that when destroyed, can weaken their respective overlords. Does that mean that by destroying the fountain, the Knight will be weakened?
"There's a light inside your soul, slowly shining in the cold" - Spirits are constantly shown to be glowing light spheres, similar to the SOUL. And it's been shown that Spirits can be equipped, in both empty vessels and souled vessels. Similar to what we see with the Goner and Kris.
"With the truth, the promise in our hearts" - The truth of Smash Bros is that it's all a game, with pawns that are moved by the player. Perhaps the "promise" is the ending?
"Don't forget, I'm with you in the dark" - Whoever is saying that has helped/met people in the dark. This narrows things down to Inkling, Ridley, Simon, Richter, Hero, Steve, Sephiroth and Sora. Who exactly is "with us" remains to be seen.
(Pic related represents the end boss scenario of Deltarune, BTW. Sakurai put it in to fuck with us.)

looks fine on my end

They're the same aspect/totem/thought form but from different sides of the ice wall.

I still believe you guys are overthinking it and he's just scared after almost dying alone in some basement after (You) tricked him into taking some retarded deal. You just don't want to take responsibility for your actions.

Jevil knew the Knight's plans

Spamton was about to tell you something about the Knight

What if the Knight's purpose in opening these dark worlds is to find the schizos who've been contacted by the mystery man and find out what they know about him?

Ralsei is indiputably a MAIN-Character, but he's not "someone wonderful"

Someone wonderful ≠ Main character

it's mixels still because the pixel size for those is clearly smaller than the rest of the sprites, thus it is "mixed" pixel size
for other mixel examples, see the mouse attacks and other places where sprites scale to get bigger or smaller and thus are mismatched from the base size

We're not the ones that stopped Susie and Ralsei from coming into his shop. Or going into the basement.

Remember

It is assumed that you did, it's just an abstraction. His condition was clearly for Kris to come alone, by going into this shop you made Kris abide by this condition and tell his friends to stay outside.

Why did he do it bros

oh i don't make videos, i just keep an eye on r/undertale and r/deltarune

clearly a cop out after people started digging too deep into the sweepstakes

Had to remove Weird Route to get his game on Switch 2.

Player BAD!

Revolutionary post.

that's even more embarrassing. You should've just said you make youtube videos in 2025

he probably realized he fucked up with 'the newest girl' and had to backtrack
i suspect a lot of the arg stuff will somehow make it into the game, either referenced or adapted somewhat

story changes that don't line up with what he put there 4 years ago

Fuck no, "the newest girl" is canon, cope and seethe, Susellefags.

he had to remove it for the switch

the console that has fucking corpse party on it

why do people come up with this shit?

Are you anons ready for the game?

I took that Thursday and Friday off work specifically for it (also picking up my Switch 2). Since I found out that it'll actually go live Wednesday night super late, I'm actually going to fuck my sleep schedule up so I can play through the night/morning. I don't want a single possible spoiler to slip by.

giasfelbehelbrebr isn't actually ice-e's catchphrase, susie just wanted to make a word puzzle for their make-believe but sucks at puzzles and used what the muscle guy screams at the restaurant.

What is this image from?

They don't want rape game with T rating as a release title for their new console, though.

watch that otaku's video

it's pretty good

until 1 10th way through the video

actually i hate deltarune i hate the west it's not actually good!

come on man i get you hate the west but you can just say "i like this here are my thoughts" without changing them right before the end of the video

replayed chapter 1 and 2 to refresh my memory before 3 and 4

2 weeks now feels like it may as well be another 4 years

This was a mistake

I really hope toby actually goes through with letting the player go all in on the susie friendship. Be it platonic or romantic, I really like her and kris' dynamic the best.

Asriel died alone a long, long time ago.

FRIEND INSIDE ME

Asriel is my personal cum rag

Replaying Ch. 1 makes me appreciate Ch. 2 a lot more.

That's why I've been planning to do so just a day before the release. Also, I'm wondering what kind of saves I should be setting up for chapter 3-4. I know to do snowgrave and recruit, but I have no idea what to do for the third one since the shadow mantle stuff feels too vague.

not replaying chapters 1 & 2 on release day so you don't get spoiled on the additions

Couldn't be me.

Unappreciated high effort post

based

youtube.com/watch?v=XuCJttSasDQ

BUT [[tutorial]] WONT ACCEPT A [[F@#$%]]. NOT A SECOND ONE, AT LEAST

> ASECOND goat1 @ THE FUCKIGN [[ WORST]]

>KRIS/ PPLEASE/ KRIS<<< YOU NEED. TO. [[ Listen Closely]]

Asriel is STRAIGHT, spamshit. STRAIGHT. He just has a type.

That's probably Toby's way of telling us that ARG stuff is not required to know the story
I hope he didn't actually screw up and contradict the game's plot in the sweepstakes

It's Raining Somewhere Else

An Umbrella? But it's not raining. You know, that does make me feel a little better about this. Thank you. Please forget about me.

*You found an ominous statue.

Nobody knows where the statue came from

*(You place the umbrella atop the statue.)

Anon Babbleros, it was right in front of us all along...

What time is it coming out for EST?

google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=0000 japan time to est

I mean, he also didn't word it that info on the website WON'T be in the game itself, or that the information isn't relevant at all. If some of the anecdotes from Noelle's blog turn up in the game later, that doesn't mean Toby lied, either.

Unless, I guess, the story hinges on Noelle petting Catti.

this is the knight

I've believed for a while that that statue is the corpse of one of the titans

Pretty much every bit of unfinished stuff Toby dreamed up for DR before UT is located in Waterfall

gerson

mysteryman

river person

shadow crystals

umbrella statue

These designs fucking suck

I put in for the whole week. Already approved.

Toby replaces every character with Starwalker

It's an improvement

I honestly think he's Papyrus in some way

I hope we finally get a non-boss fight theme for asgore in future chapters, the closest we have right now is bergentrückung

Noelle is a girl who likes creepypastas and video game glitches

The route that supposed to break the games narrative is all about Noelle

Noelle has lots of unused dialogue in the games code, even referencing the fact that trefoil is unused

Noelle is linked to Spamton through spamton sweepstakes and 'nostalgia' flavor texts. Spamton is linked to the mystery voice in the games code, directly quoting it in his shop dialogue. This gives more evidence that the voice might be Dess, further linking the act of game-breaking to be a major part of Noelle's character in Deltarune

For some reason I never bothered to think about this. In future chapters hopefully we see some weird game-breaking/meta scenes involving Noelle that surprise the player

What nobody seems to realize is that the 'prophecy' only needs a monster. Any monster. Kris and Ralsei are irreplaceable, but any monster could play Susie's role. Noelle, Berdley, Torriel, anyone.
So, if say, in a weird route, the player 'removes' Susie, the main plot will progress just fine enough with their good friend Noelle

Starwalker can join you at the start of Chapter 2

Unlike Lancer and Rouxls, he does not have a light world item in kris' inventory

You will only be able to save in the light world if you have Starwalker, who is actually the save points

Kris and Ralsei are irreplaceable

are they?

Is there a full font sheet in the files for this text or is this text bubble a sprite itself. If it is a sprite, has anybody bothered to try to reverse search the font?

Fuck you, I like them. More 80s kitsch is always welcome.

Kris is the Knight. Literally nobody else could be

Literally nobody else could be

[citation needed]

Obscure and based fact
I love Queen

kris is a schizoboss

the player is a schizoboss

the game is a schizoboss

it's schizobosses all the way down

explain how kris being an evil mastermind who's behind all the fountains is compatible with him being the player's puppet

entire game development career was made because Toby didn't take his meds before sleep one day

we're kris's puppet actually

I remember when this thread used to hate her. Glad to see that opinion on her has turned around lately.

slampig

Do you think chapter 3-4 will give us sexo common enemies?

hate

Impossible

mauve dragon

Chubby Temmie Chang.

i'm not exactly sure what kind of enemies would show up in chapter 3
i wonder if the theme will only be TV shit or it'll be more related to the entire house

Do you think Snowgrave in later chapters will be doing what the villian's plan is yourself again or is it just a coincidence both Queen and a Snowgrave Player have the same idea

What random post from previous threads do you want to believe will accidentally predict what's gonna happen?

Temmie Chang ate too much chinese food.

queen recorded a video of the knight making a fountain through the laptop camera

also recorded noelle and berdly studying, hence why she mentions "hell of a study session"

can't have recorded it if was so dark

thus, the knight made the fountain from where noelle and berdly were

Snowgrave will be you realizing you were working for the Angel all along.
By trying to free yourself from the narrative, you played into another god's hands.

The Knight is a formless spectral entity that is also possessing Kris. Where we operate through the SOUL, they operate through the knife.

Literally nobody else could be

Can't wait for the "it's raining", song.

The Knight isn't a secret entity, it's just Kris's alternate personality.
Kris has DID from trauma and sees (you) as just another alter that came about one day.

Truth.

youtube.com/watch?v=U_PvyMGYOuI

We're the [Heart] on a [Chain].

We literally saw Kris make a Dark Fountain ffs

Is there a sink or water fountain in the computer lab?

We also saw berdly about to make one

if there's 7 different knights it would be this universe's version of the 7 magicians who sealed the monsters underground

Kris set up tiny bombs overnight in the computer lab to create the Dark Fountain on schedule.

For all we know, Kris did it because they're stuck with a SOUL that isn't their own and is desperately trying to feel something that isn't pant-shitting terror and existential dread, just like how Flowey did everything he could to feel any sort of positive reaction when he first awoke in Undertale.
They see opening a fountain as proof that they're "still them", because it's THEIR willpower coursing into the knife and creating it.

no we're the chain on Kris's heart

Bro?

...immediately after they were told any lightner could make a dark fountain, so it proves jack shit

there isn't

I was thinking briefly maybe the knight literally just travels through water.

blah blah can't you see it's not healthy thanks marche

all 3 entities are the same

11 days, Kris Knight believers. 11 days...

So why doesn't Ralsei freak out when you reject spying Sus/Noel on normal route?

No QC

QC is one of the names that Gaster notices in the intro

This is prior to chapter 4, and QC is going to make an appearance as one of the people stuck in the church dark world during mass.

...except for the fact Kris seemingly premediated how their entire day would play out, starting with the end of Chapter 1, where they rip the soul out just so they can go eat pie.
Eating all the pie, which would later leave Toriel and Susie preoccupied baking a new one.
So they could then, at a premediated time they decided before school, to "wash their hands", slink out the window, slash the car tires, and make a whole scare that forces Susie to stay the night.
Waiting until everyone's dead asleep, and then getting up, turning the TV back on, shambling to the front door, nudging it open, and THEN they open the Dark Fountain before returning to the couch, and they seemingly don't even put the soul back inside them before they pass out, unlike the last time we saw and heard it happen.
Planned. Practiced. As if they've done it countless times before. As if they knew exactly how everyone would tick to ensure the desired outcome.

How could anyone hate her? She's hot. I love MILFs but considering how old I'm getting they'll soon just be women my age. Anyway I'm looking forward to the Carol reveal for unrelated reasons.

You don't need to think about how reaching out to the save point is second nature. It's not important.

He wants to see that yurislop bait as much as you do.

No, the world matters to ME so everything has value!
I will keep dreaming because dreams are worth believing in!

And that's what Gaster wants. He wants a player who can inject their own meaning and value into DELTARUNE, so it can go above and beyond its flat purpose, to relish in that same undying light that UNDERTALE has.
The future is in your hands.

dykes

knights

Crack-Theory: Toriel Made The Chapter 2 Dark Wolrd
You May Be Thinking On How She Did It?
Easy, While Berdly And Noelle Were Distracted Studying, She Threw A Smoke-Bomb Inside
And Used The Smoke As Cover To Stab The Ground And Leave The Room
Then The Bomb's Smoke Mixed With The Fountain's Smoke
And They Though That Said Smoke Was Still The Bomb One
Then They Sudenlly Fell Inside The Cyber-World Dark World

What's wrong with walls meant to block out seawater?

Hurr hurr too goofy not scary and threatening enough. Some people think that locker scene and King's betrayal are two defining moments of Deltarune (never mind anything that happens inbetween), and were absolutely furious because chapter 2 didn't had that "dark" and "melancholic" tone of chapter 1.

Queen is a fun character, but I suppose you can call her role as a villain as somewhat weak, even if she definitely has more of a presence in the story than King. I imagine Toby is going to gradually rack up the villains in severity or he's making a point with the way he's handling antagonists.

They won't let me be a little Dutch boy.

Ignore the fact that the unused text string from Susie desperately pleading for Kris to wake up as an alternate dialogue during CONTACT is still in the game, when he could have removed it in the Chapter 1&2 build. The text string that supports the idea that Kris has been living in a timeloop trying to figure out what needs to be done to prevent the one and only ending, the end of the world. It doesn't mean anything. Toby just overlooked it, is all.

tbduse, I think Suselle would be fine if their romance is actually important to the plot in some way. Even if it's s something cheesy like they overcome their issues with the power of love.
My main problem is that it feels like filler at the moment and doesn't progress either character's arcs so all their scenes feel like a waste of time.

That's evidence of Kris having foreknowledge of events, not of Kris creating the first two dark worlds.

There's also no way he could've made the dark fountain in the library while Noelle and Berdly were inside it, since we were in control of him that entire time, so there's no way he can be the knight.

...BUUUUUUUT maaaybe Kris is an accomplice to the knight? Eh? Maybe? I dunno.

Starwalker is the only Chapter 1 Darkner besides Jevil not affected by Chapter 2's fountain

What did Toby mean by this?

Eh, her whole point was that she was playing the role of the viilain, and having fun with it. You know, kinda like actors who enjoy starring in cheesy movies because they can just ham it up as much as they want. And then she pulls a fucking giant mecha on four kids AND WINS. People don't give her enough credit.

and were absolutely furious because chapter 2 didn't had that "dark" and "melancholic" tone of chapter 1.

i never got this complaint because even without taking into account snowgrave, spamtons' side of the chapter was grim as fuck

Spamton directly appeals to Kris's situation and specifically focuses on their SOUL

Kris agrees to and respects the terms of Spamton's deal, insisting that Susie and Ralsei stay behind

Kris will ask the Addisons about Spamton

Kris gives Spamton their name after they agree to the deal (he only starts calling Kris by name at his shop in the normal route, not in the first encounter and never during Snowgrave)

Kris strikes the robot body after they plug Spamton in and nothing happens, clearly expressing frustration when it seems like they've been scammed

The whole Spamton NEO fight and Kris's reaction afterward only make sense if Kris and Spamton really do feel some connection and Kris understands how he feels and the similarities in their situation

I think people have taken the "puppet on strings" metaphor too literally, Kris has agency just like Spamton does, they're not robots operating on their master's programming. They can try to change their situation, Spamton even interprets Kris's actions in Snowgrave as them trying to do just that, but they're still a "puppet" because they're a lesser being at the mercy of higher powers (the player and the creator of the game). Spamton and Seam both speak not just to Kris, but to all of the "Three Heroes," about the hopelessness of their situation and the slim possibility that they might be able to change their FATE.
Snowgrave makes it clear that if we want to we CAN assume total control over Kris and force them to do whatever we want, but it also indicates that this is not the normal state of things. In absence of a reason to believe otherwise, like feedback from Kris or being told that we're directly intervening as in Snowgrave, I think it should be assumed that we're only guiding Kris's choices rather than commanding them to do as we please. Kris was obviously uncomfortable dealing with Spamton, but it's not hard to imagine that they felt it was a risk they had to take for their own reasons.

and they seemingly don't even put the soul back inside them before they pass out

They do, it's just mostly obscured by the darkness

susie in that dialogue has asriel-tier text font

it's type 999

her voice is abnormally deep

nigger you can't say everything you just said and then do a 180 and say kris was completely innocent in what happened in snowgrave.
spamton's entire plotline is about fighting for freedom
snowgrave is about freedom at ANY cost
do the math.

I think that Kris is very obviously A Knight but not THE knight.

There's no such thing as "A Knight."
"The Knight" refers to one individual or entity responsible for creating both the Card Castle and Cyber City fountains.

Yeah basically this. I've read yuri written by men and lesbians alike and there's plenty of compelling stories that have drama, tragedy or just a sense of stakes.
It feels like Toby is too scared to take any risks with his lesbian pairings because he doesn't want to offend anyone, even though yuri fans eat up pain and suffering. But I'm happy to be proven wrong.

Oh wait, nevermind.

deltarune.com/assets/audio/d.mp3

deltarune.com/assets/audio/e.mp3

deltarune.com/assets/audio/m.mp3

but then,

deltarune.com/assets/audio/h.mp3

still, be on the look-out. this game is going to pull people in.

I really like the idea that the biggest reason why Kris seems so close to Susie and unafraid of her despite supposedly only really knowing her for just over a day is because they're a looper and saw the best parts of her. I could imagine Kris just being desperate in the beginning and eventually deciding to enlist Susie iuy of desperation because they found the rest too unreliable or otherwise not up to the task and being pleasantly surprised.

I sincerely hope that dialogue is a hint intentionally left behind because I am 100% bought into the time loop and savescumming mechanic across 3 timelines in chapters 7 and Zero. Plus the sound of it is pure kino.

On that note, what do we think asriels vocal beeps will be? Adult or kid?

nigger you can't say everything you just said and then do a 180 and say kris was completely innocent in what happened in snowgrave.

I can when the game makes it clear that Kris is speaking in a voice that isn't their own and the game goes out of its way to create a scenario where I can make Noelle cast Snowgrave while Kris is unconscious.

another tails gets trolled reference

what was the first?

Kris opened a fountain therefore is definitely the knight

are the people who say this stupid?

I genuinely think that Knight will be the term used for Kris for a few reasons, however I don't think any rando who opens a dark fountain necessarily qualifies as a Knight. There has to be some other aspect that makes them unique, maybe the ability to SAVE or something.

It feels like Toby is too scared to take any risks with his lesbian pairings because he doesn't want to offend anyone, even though yuri fans eat up pain and suffering

dood the darkners are just following le orders

nope, snowgrave for all

That moment still doesn't really qualify. I like Undyne and Alphys, but their romance is relatively light hearted and is a redeeming factor for both characters. Like it's not like Alpnys is throwing bottles at Undyne and is demeaning her to buy more anime figurines.

reminder alphys was originally a guy and toby only changed the gender because he knew people would absolutely detest the character otherwise (more than they already do)

Gaster is for sekuhara!
He should feel uncomfortable around me at all times!

you're doing the reverse of the chara shit in undertale. the player didn't make snowgrave happen, we were given the choice. you can say you don't know why kris would partake in snowgrave but you can't say he's innocent without betraying your own argument.

Susie is actually a "dark knight" though in the menus

started my preparatory replay and reminded again how proof-of-concept chapter 1 feels. the Don't Forget leitmotif is so prevalent that it feels like a crutch and all the basic enemy designs are extremely bland. i've also never really been all that charmed by lancer but that's a "me" thing

really seems like toby spent the opening trying to get his bearings with his #1 goal being to ease the audience into accepting susie

If Toby censored his game just to appear in a Switch 2 trailer he would literally lose all the respect and goodwill he's built up over a decade. He'd have to be unfathomably stupid to censor anything.

Probably for the best, but I still think it would be absolute kino if we got beta papyrus for Deltarune to just fuck with people

I need her.

he literally referenced weird route in the sweepstakes shit, you'd need to be mentally ill to think he removed it for any reason other than that being the plan the entire time.

LoliFrisk... lay down on the man.

I heard that Frisk was hospitalized for having sex with 583 monsters in six hours

Completely drained every last monster cock of semen until Nobody Came.

Anon, please follow to the post that began the whole conversation:

You say one more thing about my daughter again and I'll kick your ass.

he posted that for his jap fans since it's all in english

The issue is that Toby's writing standards fly out the fucking window when there's yuri because it gets his dick wet. See Undyne and Alphys retarded kiss attempt with a dedicated debug button right before the absolute climax of the entire fucking game.

I don't expect asriel to even be in the game

At some point Susie gets Asriel's soul implanted into them like Kris gets yours.

Asriel gets delayed from making it home in time for the festival

chapter 7 ends with him finally making it home

screen cuts to black and credits just before he appears on screen

real fucking hack fraud shit

My wife is not a whore.

Toby translated it, actually.

We've already seen Asriel's happiest outcome according to Toby, anyway.
Seeing Deltarune's Asriel would be depressing, rather than triumphant, and he'd unironically be worse off than his Undertale counterpart.
The literal soulless flower is living a better life than the promising star child of a local community moving out into the big world.
Isn't that just funny?

facts and logical thinking tell you that kris being a mastermind who premediates complex plans butchers any themes of them being controlled by the player

Kris would not partake in Snowgrave because we know for a fact that Kris is fundamentally a good person. They are LV 1, they love their family, they don't want to steal from Asriel, they're upset when you play a dangerous "prank" on Noelle with the electric gate. Kris doesn't want to hurt people. They are willing to take extreme actions in the ending, slashing Toriel's tires and risking endangering everyone by opening a Dark Fountain, but that is very far from calculated murder.
It is repeatedly indicated that we are the mastermind of Snowgrave, not Kris. The choices to back out of Snowgrave are consistently personal and expressive ("Let's solve it together!", "Sorry, I'll do the puzzle", "I'm protecting her from you!") in contrast with the robotic command to "Proceed." Noelle repeatedly comments that Kris isn't acting like themself, culminating in the scene at the hospital where Noelle states that during Snowgrave Kris has been speaking in an unfamiliar voice "unlike Kris's." The implication that we are directly possessing Kris is clear.
We can see this in both of the major fights in Snowgrave. Berdly will exclusively target Kris during his fight, making it more likely that Kris will be knocked out. You can still command Noelle to cast Snowgrave, and she will respond and the scene will play out in the same way. It would be absurd to blame Kris for something that can happen while they're unconscious. But this isn't an oversight, it's something the game has planned for: Noelle will acknowledge that she can still hear that same unfamiliar voice commanding her, because it's coming from the SOUL, not Kris's mouth.
We see this distinction made again against Spamton NEO. Kris calls for help, but nobody came. Their friends are so far away they don't even notice the battle is happening, nevermind being able to hear Kris. But when "You whisper Noelle's name," she answers the call. Kris's words couldn't have reached her, but YOUR command can.

flowey isn't that far off from the real thing. the dark truth is... maybe he really wasn't that good of a person.

He said the same about Sans' machine, and those three scrimblo bimblos from dark world seems to have managed to fix it. Just wait for it, you'll see the happy outcome for both Asriels.

Muh themes.

We're too early to fully know what they will be.

He said the same about Sans' machine, and those three scrimblo bimblos from dark world seems to have managed to fix it.

I think this hiatus might have inflicted people with permanent brain damage

Yes and if I’m wrong im blameless, because the counter evidence is and always has been retarded

because he knew people would absolutely detest the character otherwise

Wrong, he never said the reason why he changed Alphys' gender. Just that he "grew to dislike" male Alphys. He never specified why.

all I'm reading is somebody who created their own interpretation of kris in their head and doesn't like things that contradict it. kris is our partner.

The fuck are you on about?

immortal “ruler” (for lack of a better word) of his only little world gets dethroned by (You) due to outside forces

game’s meta plot is around Kris and (You) fighting for control over how to proceed through the time loop

How does this not work, thematically? Be specific

He never specified why.

people already hated alphys as a woman, so just imagine everything is the same but alphys is a guy
how would you feel?

game is about freedom vs control. kris (a puppet) REALLY wants to have freedom. it's shrimple