Coping that this is like Madoka Magica and the writing is purposely shallow

I want to try and be brief with this because not only do I think this wont be receieved well, but I am (arguably) jumping the gun a bit because I havent finished it yet, but that fact will be part of my point.

The scene of picrel is essenitally the "conclusion" of the mini "conflict" that happened prior on the bridge before the boss fight. Even during that cutscene I was shaking my head a bit (figuratively).

Let me explain myself, and first say, that I am objectively correct even if you dont understand. But it is possible I am wrong overall, which is what I want to inquire about.

If this bit of dialogue is essentially saying that Maelle has accepted a reason to keep moving forward (No evidence of her ever coming close to suicide so its just about pure motivation to keep going on with the journey).

Then what the fuck was that whole freakout prior? She essentially got mad over nothing, and yelled at Verso because she felt he should have understood her grief since he had buried multiple expeditioners. Or lashing out at Lune and Sciel for just being able to "move on" as if nothing happened.

What did she expect to happen? She doesnt want condolence as she explicitly lashed out at Verso for trying that. And she obviously didnt want to stop the journey since picrel is literally a statement on her going on, even if Lune says it. And the problem neither was an inability to put Gustave to rest since they were literally on their way to bury him.

So what is my point? It doesnt make sense. Her actions have to make sense. Because I know some dumb fucking retard is going to say "WHEN DA TRAUMA PPLS NOT ACT DA REASONABLE YOU DUM DUM" but not only is this fucking retarded. But its BAD writing because what it means, is that if the conflict doesnt need to make sense, then neither does the resolution.

[Continued Below]

I WANTED to understand something deeper about her feelings, but all I got was a boss fight and then the same repeated "We continue on for others" and...wow now shes fine and apologizes for her outburst.

You cant have your cake and eat it too. You cant want to depict a super "mature" and meaningful story about grief...and then do NOTHING actually with grief, but display the most generic surface level expression of it. Where you continuously hammer home how in grief everybody is, but never dwell on it.

This shit happened back with Gustave too. Right when you first camp. Gustave talks about not wanting to keep going, because its too dangerous and yadda yadda, and I bet retards praise this performance as Gustave being a realistic mature depiction.

But all Lune has to say is "We fight on! You know da rules! We keep going! For da expedition! For others!" If you were TRULY so traumatized and human. Not only would you not just change your mind based off of one super dramatic speech and a set of repeatable words. But you wouldnt fucking care about a mantra that came from people who had never experienced what you just did. Since nobody ever came back from expeditions. There is a reason fucking therapy exists.

The problem with both of these instances of Maelle and Gustave being depictions of "real humans". Is that the game gets to pretend it has conflict, or friction, because it knows that is a real facet of human engagement. But all the conflicts are always resolved so quickly, and so easily with just a few words and nothing deeper.

When theres no real friction, no real character flaws. No real reason for the behaviours. It starts to feel like youre dealing with somebodys idea of an almsoal "platonic griefer" a representation of what people expect of a griefer. Youre not really exploring or challenging any understandings to reveal a deeper one. Its contrived and therefore for its own sake.

Its a depiction of grief to watch and feel about. Not understand.

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what are u freaking out about exactly it's not like she's fully over it when you reach renoir later

Do they pay you more rupees per post if you hit the character limit?
I'm not reading that curry infused wall of text, jeet.

I know the game subverts expectations later and while I dont know the details, I am imagining and coping that it is a Madoka Magica sort of situation because so far the writing is poor. In that it likes to present "realistic feeling" situations and circumstances for characters where they essential present "friction" or conflict. But the conflicts never delve beyond a mere surface level expression of what is somebody's generic idea or understanding of a particular type of human being. And so conflicts are quickly resolved after they start with a dramatic speech and a couple words and suddenly the character with conflict has there motivation back. Therefore making the entire conflict seem pointless and contrived and the characters never truly real, because the fact their conflcit could be resolved so quickly, exposes the fact that was always present, in that they never quite had a true reason for bringing up conflict in the first place, and without reason. Theres nothing deeper to understand about the characters.

Calm down, Raj.

Nobody likes a retard that cant understand the best JRPG in 20 years kys

Let me explain myself, and first say, that I am objectively correct even if you dont understand.

Stopped reading there, what a joke or a human being you are

You're asking literal retards to justify objectively bad writing and they have no counter hence why they all lash out

What? Its unexpected for me to get this kind of response, so Im curious whats good about it?
Is this real? Did somebody, let alone one of my obsessive stalkers, finally for once understand something i poured my effort into expressing? Is Anon Babble not yet godforsaken?

Please, write in the correct format for this website.
You are not wrong, I do feel that Gustave's death was resolved too quickly for the group. Those people were his friends; Sciel was his childhood friend, and Luna knew him for a long time too. The grief part only hits partially from Maelle, and add to this we get Gustave's replacement right after his death, I got the feeling the game wanted me to "forget Gustave as quickly as possible, ok?" But this is a video game, so what would we be playing if we dived into a grief study?
I don't agree about Gustave and Lune's earlier discussion. Lune presented good arguments Gustave couldn't refute.

If E33 is Madoka then what's the Heartcatch Precure of the JRPG genre?

Lune presented good arguments Gustave couldn't refute.

No she didnt. Also thats not actually relevant, and is missing the point.
I find it interesting that you said this without specifying. Which makes me very suspicious of what you think a "good argument" is because Lune's speech is what is the equivalent of a "persuasive" essay. Not an argument. An argument has objective parameters for being both valid and sound. And none of those apply to Lune since she doesn't even address Gustave's qualms. She dances around them by appealing to platitudes and norms, and reaffirming the fact that they have value BECAUSE they have been instilled to have value in what is essentially their culture and mission.
But Gustave's fear of death was the PERFECT time to actually question, or strengthen those values.

You dont even understand why I brought up Gustave in contrast to Maelle. My problem isnt that theh "moved on" it made complete sense for them to "move on". The fuck esle could they do? My problem was Maelle's sudden freak out.

I brought up Gustave to hammer home the point that Lune just repeats the exact same platitudes over and over whenever theres any conflict or friction to easily solve the problem. Which exposes that the problem presented in the first place was superficial, which makes everything and the characters less real.

Instead. They move on, because thats what the story needs of them. Im not saying it doesnt make sense for Gustave to keep going I mean, if he were to actually quit, that would be such bold writing that isnt possible for videogames.
My problem is that he had a problem in the first place that didnt mean anything.
Lune never addressed his problem. And neither did he, he dipped his toes in it. Because it was never real. It was an excuse to make him SEEM more real.

Wait, what are you actually angry about then? The fact that they even have their responses? Or that they don't have a long and drawn out 'actual argument' with logical and/or reasonable points on why should they stop/continue the mission? Or are you upset Maelle was angry with Gustave's death and did not think logically on the responses of the party? Assume I am stupid (as you clearly already do) and try to explain succinctly.

Dont "wait what" me. The fact you dont understand something isnt my responsibility. Learn what an actual argument is and make an actual response. Youre not getting away with using your retarded ignorance to imply a lack of understanding on your part is a lack of coherence on mine. If you have some specifici criticism of something that was not made clear or does not make sense then point to it. Im not here to spoonfeed you. Ive repeated multiple lengthy explanations of what I mean already. Goddamn you retards are so spoiled by low quality garbage discussion here that you first instinct is to go "wait whuh??" instead of actually reading, or pointing out any explicit error or flaw.

I literally cant answer your stupid fucking question even if I wanted to because its not saying anything, its just questioning everything i said, without referring to anything specific, while also spinning it with your interpretation rather than engaging with anything truly "Are you just upset dey didnt think logically?" No. Fucking read mfer.

Never mind Essayfag, you fumbled the bag.

Im not going to be nice to disingenuous retards. I dont care if you disagree with me, if you never understood what you were disagreeing with anyway.

No, I think I got you perfectly, and you're lashing out because you understood I called you an autist. Good job on that though.

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uhh yeah you got him bro good job

Nigger the fucking world is a painted world and Mealles grief over Gustave mirrors her IRL grief over Verso. Kys how the fuck are you gonna act like a pseud over some of the best writing in years. Play the whole fucking game next time instead of coming here like a nigger and pretending you have any real insight.

Can you get chatgpt to make a bullet point summary?

Reddit beckons

why did none of Lune's hairstyle work other than her default

Your claim that Gustave just changed his mind instantly because of a speech is fucking retarded. Where the fuck is Gustave gonna go once he gets Maelle back? The entire reason they went out there is to stop an existential threat and Lune wisely tells Gustave to grow a pair. He knows she’s right. It’s extremely human for him to prioritize Maelle over the mission but this nigga has a massive responsibility on his shoulders and he was the person that quite literally gave them a technological edge. He can’t just run off like a pussy with nothing to show for it. Gustave states multiple times before his death that he has nightmares so clearly he just didn’t get over it. You’re trying really hard to make this game come off like Reddit and it’s actually extremely gay.

and pretending you have any real insight.

?when did the criticism become insight instead?

The game has good ideas of portraying grief through a fantasy world but that doesn't necessarily mean it has good writing. Getting from point A to point B in the narrative and how the characters interact is where the skill of writing is shown and for most of act 1 and 2 a lot of the dialogue is very vague, a lot of platitudes about moving on, and the story doesn't really catch its stride until 2/3 of the game is over. OP is very blunt in his responses which seems to be hurting peoples feelings but I think he is on to something. Like I said the game has good ideas but saying its the "best writing in years" does not apply here imo

mfw this nigga hasn’t done any of Lune’s relationship dialogue or her side quest

OP thinks he's smart for doing a superficial analysis on the characters and deciding 'no, Lune is just appealing to emotion!' Without ever considering her words have no reasonable weight to characters, whom according to Lune herself, have taken an oath and agreed to shoulder responsibility for the mission.

Damn this game is going to break you anon, keep playing. You're going to freak the fuck out when you start to realize what's happening and everything you wrote has a reason for happening that way.

have no reasonable

have reasonable*

it's a completely unnecessary essay, would be like 4 lines if OP could express his opinions properly.

Where the fuck is Gustave gonna go once he gets Maelle back?

You are a stupid fucking retard. Dont reply to me again until you gain some awareness.
Such a stupid response I almost dont want to correct the fact thay YOU THINK IT IS MEANINGFUL TO MENTION SOMETHING THAT I ALREADY MENTIONED MYSELF. LITERALLY THE EXACT SAME WORDS. You are either genuinely mentally retarded and cannot read. Or somehow, can read, and just mentally lack the capacity to actually interpret and understand anything not produced by yourself, or inline with your subjective conception of the world.

Literally nothing you said matters. I dont care whether you think he "knows shes right" or not. First of all. That makes no logical sense because "knowing" somebody is right isnt the same as them being right. There a billions of people who "know" God is real. And yet they have no way to prove it. That is the same logic youre operating on. Lune is NOT right because her speech does not engage with Gustave's fake concern. She waves it away and says "we just gotta keep going cuz thats what were supposed to do even though we got wiped out completely".

Lets stop the convo right here and start from here. Tell me in anyway how that paraphrasing of what she said is wrong. And if it is not wrong. Then admit that.
If you can, i will have faith that you can atleast understand words and we can carry on"

And the funny thing too is that the further you get into the game the more Lunes layers unravel. Lune isn’t just a girl boss CEO 5000. There’s allot of pain and isolation that makes her the way she is and it adds so much to her character once she opens up. I can never be upset with her because the mission needed a Lune.

Okay never mind it’s obvious you’re an Indian street shitting faggot. Should have know from ESL AIslop posts. This game is too high IQ for your saaaar.

Who hurt you?

This is why you got laughed out of the Void Stranger threads. If you had just learned your lesson back then you'd be a much happier person now.

Then what the fuck was that whole freakout prior? She essentially got mad over nothing, and yelled at Verso because she felt he should have understood her grief since he had buried multiple expeditioners. Or lashing out at Lune and Sciel for just being able to "move on" as if nothing happened.

What did she expect to happen? She doesnt want condolence as she explicitly lashed out at Verso for trying that. And she obviously didnt want to stop the journey since picrel is literally a statement on her going on, even if Lune says it. And the problem neither was an inability to put Gustave to rest since they were literally on their way to bury him.

So what is my point? It doesnt make sense. Her actions have to make sense.

Are you mentally deficient by any chance?
Maelle is just 16 years old and she lacks the conviction of the rest of the expedition. The game all but spells it out for you. The others "really wish to change things" but Maelle just wished to escape Lumiere.

As such Maelle's ambitions were already weaker and on much looser foundations. With Gustave's death, Maelle's will to fight dissipates. She already wasn't fighting for the same reasons as the others.
The game doesn't really focus much on it since it wouldn't be necessary to do so. But that whole segment that you describe is all pretty much framed as a "Maelle is an immature little brat and she needs to mature the fuck up.". Lune points at the sea of dead bodies and claims that this is what all the adults are fighting for, so what is Maelle fighting for? She complains about death, death, and death, but she didn't go on the expedition to fight death, but the others did.
But it's interesting that even with all this, Maelle is motivated more by revenge than anything while the others were genuinely fighting for change from the beginning.

Lune isn’t just a girl boss CEO 5000. There’s allot of pain and isolation that makes her the way she is and it adds so much to her character once she opens up.

wowwwww blunt strong willed competent girl who has actually suffered a lot, wow that totally doesnt sound like a literal infamous japanese stereotype, that totally sounds like a super complex individual character.

look. i can tolerate meh, generic, boring characters. madoka magica basically succeeded on using its characters like experiments to play with, where they put their generic characters in contexts and situations where they could not just be their archetypes, to delve into a theme about friendship and power, but if those were more than idealized words. but actual concepts that when intersect with their possible counter concepts, show themselves for what they really are. which is, at the very least, more than the ideal.

anyway i rambled a bit, but i could tolerate all of this, if they just didnt TRY so hard to seem "mature" and "real" when they SUCK at it.

some writers cant write characters, only narratives and themes, and the way they accomplish that, is by not FOCUSING TOO MUCH ON CHARACTER feelings and dialogues.

I WANTED to understand something deeper about her feelings, but all I got was a boss fight and then the same repeated "We continue on for others" and...wow now shes fine and apologizes for her outburst.

But she isn't fine afterwards.
She has conversations with Lune and Verso on how to cope because she isn't fine. And though no one told her to, Maelle channels her inability to cope into her desire for revenge and she even approaches Sciel in hopes that she'd be able to help her grow more able to take revenge.

If your impression was that the game just swept her inner conflict from between Gustave's death and his burial under the rug after the burial then I don't even know what to tell you. It still very clearly colours Maelle's perspectives even moving forward.

One of the bad things of this website is that it attracts a type of person who likes to masturbate themselves thinking they're machines and if something doesn't present ideas in a LOGICAL AND FACTUAL way, it's stupid and for NPCs. While everyone else understands the emotional nuances and undertones, he is struggling with simple concepts all the while criticizing it for being incoherent.

why the FUCK are you still here? get a job!

The tragic part is that he is correct about the story being poorly written, but has zero ability to articulate its real flaws.

I am not going to lie, OP seems like the kind of person that reads books. I think you were expecting this game to have literary appeal based on online discourse but were probably disappointed when you found out it was just another jrpg story except it deals with mature themes like grief.

I am not going to lie, OP seems like the kind of person that reads books.

Is that why he misread all the referenced characters?

you would be wrong. essayfag has severe ADHD and can't get through a single chapter of a book. admitted as much when he tried to read nietzsche.

He doesn't read books, he's a confirmed Destiny fan who also likes pretentious video essays. He made this exact type of thread because of a single room in a single Zelda dungeon once because it had a puzzle that was too simple for him.

Click on the thread because I'm curious

Realize halfway through the OP that it's an essayfag thread

my disappointment is immeasurable

No point in me really engaging with something that doesnt show evidence of the awareness to know or understand what its engaging with to engage with it.

Youre like a retard that hears "if the answer to the problem of evil is that God gave us free will, so he allowed suffering, then why the fuck does God freak out whenever we do bad that he killes all of us like in Noahs Ark, even though being omniscient not only implies determinism, but also means he knows we are going to disappoint him" and then in response to that you explain "Are you retarded? Dont you know God loves us, and gave up his only son so that he may save us from sin? God knew we would sin so he allowed us to beg for forgiveness through Christ our lord".

Because youre actually THIS stupid. You dont understand that an explanation isnt the same as a "reason". And that you havent responded to my argument.
I am aware that Maelle is a 16 year old. Being "16" doesnt explain anything. There is an entire range of different types of 16 year old behaviours and expectations. All youve done is given a framework from which to explain away a problem instead of engaging with it. You can mention that shes 16, then impose all the accompanying associations that go with being 16, so that instead of directly addressing the problem im talking about, you can give the appearance of having "explained" something i "didnt" understand.

Also.

But it's interesting that even with all this, Maelle is motivated more by revenge than anything while the others were genuinely fighting for change from the beginning.

This is not true. EVERY single person is "doing it for revenge". That is literally what "this is what we fight for" entails. They are fighting so that they dont experience anymore loss.
Plus if you read some of the journals, one of the past expeditioners literally talks about "Justice" for losing her comrades. And "justice" especially the modern conception is often tit for tat.
you just call it "change" instead

He made this exact type of thread because of a single room in a single Zelda dungeon once because it had a puzzle that was too simple for him.

Which room was that again? I dont remember that.

you are correct OP, the narrative structure is fucked but normgroids here who have never read a book in their lives will defend it for no reason

pic related is essayfag's modus operandi. do not engage with him.
instead, tell me what you ate/will eat for lunch.

this is wrong, as i am often instead considered the angry, unreasonable, and provoked one, infact im the one that gets banned by an angry loser janny for telling him to kill himself (i can only assume he for some reason tries to argue with me when hes too dumb) for not understanding me.

it's not about who/what you are perceived as, it is about the attempted tactic. you try to seem intelligent and rational and justified in your lashouts. you are just so dumb that no one buys it and can see right through your low IQ attempts at such.

people are too focused on the dialogue = being in line with the characterizations = realism and therefore ignoring that there is a disconnect between the perceived trauma experienced and the dialogue only serving to resolve said conflicts instead of exploring them more and allowing the characters to stew.

This is not true. EVERY single person is "doing it for revenge".

No they aren't.

That is literally what "this is what we fight for" entails.

But that's not true at all.

They are fighting so that they dont experience anymore loss.

And that's synonymous to revenge to you?

Fucking amazing retort after you opened with

No point in me really engaging with something that doesnt show evidence of the awareness to know or understand what its engaging with to engage with it.

Especially after I pointed to specific scenes, character moments, and specific quotes to contextualize my claims and to serve as the basis. Evidence one might say.

You dont understand that an explanation isnt the same as a "reason". And that you havent responded to my argument.

But I did respond to your argument. Your claim that it doesn't and that it needs to make sense. And yeah, explanations aren't the same as giving a reason. But I gave you explanations that also illustrate the reason. Why it makes sense.

I am aware that Maelle is a 16 year old. Being "16" doesnt explain anything. There is an entire range of different types of 16 year old behaviours and expectations.

And a lot of these scenes were intended to illustrate what type of 16 year old Maelle is. Surely you don't think it's conceptually pointless to elaborate upon and showcase the differences in perspectives, maturity, and ambitions expected of different characters of different ages, just because there is a wide, wide variety of potential differences between each age bracket? Yeah sweeping generalizations based on age might be dumb and silly, but this is not that, and by including scenes like the above cited scenes in the game they are actually doing the opposite of generalizing.

YES. exactly. Holy shit somebody fucking understands. I saw some youtube video of somw retard posting the Lune speech to Gustave with big bolded letter edited around to emphasize what shes saying. I already thought it was cringe before i played the game, but actually playing the game and experiencing the context of what Gustave was reacting to. Its even more ridiculous.

Hence i make sure to describe the speech as "dramatic". It is about how the scene is set, how "intense" the voice actors act. How the camera hangs on certain expressions. Its all about building the perception of realism and maturity, rather than actually exploring and expressing anything meaningful about those concepts.

All youve done is given a framework from which to explain away a problem instead of engaging with it. You can mention that shes 16, then impose all the accompanying associations that go with being 16, so that instead of directly addressing the problem im talking about, you can give the appearance of having "explained" something i "didnt" understand.

Good thing I didn't just handwaive anything away by pointing out how she was 16. I gave you the reasons for why her 16 year old immaturity and fundamentally different motivations and ambitions meant that Maelle was a character that was never in synch with the rest of the expedition. Which is also why she responds and reacts fundamentally differently to their setbacks compared to the other characters, and why the rest of the expedition tries to make Maelle see things more their own way than how she was otherwise seeing things.
I didn't jsut give appearances of having "explained" something. You claimed by your own words >It doesnt make sense. Her actions have to make sense.
And I addressed that part specifically with my replies. Your cited scenes do make sense. Do you still not see that? It really isn't that complicated.

only serving to resolve said conflicts instead of exploring them more and allowing the characters to stew.

But the conflicts aren't resolved. And the drama does stew as they're explored further.

YES. exactly. Holy shit somebody fucking understands.

No. We all understood what you were trying to say from the very beginning. You're just wrong and we've explained why and how you're wrong.

What an embarrassment of a thread. Even worse than the threads discussing the endings.
Is this a sign of times to come for threads on this game? Or is it localised to this thread?

Good morning Saar, despite your wall of text I will not do the needful, I won't redeem E33, thank you Saar, have a nice day

it's localized to essayfag and any thread he makes. also the occasional metroidvania thread he decides to shit up, sometimes 3x3 threads, and rarely in other random threads (like when he went on his little "journey" pretending he was going to play skyrim so he could "deconstruct" RPGs as a genre).

No they aren't.

Not an argument. Denial.

But that's not true at all.

You can deny all you want. Doesnt make it not true. Not that its even all that relevant to my point.

Fucking amazing retort after you opened with

Ah. theres the "characterizing" the embelleshing. appeal to ridicule.

Especially after I pointed to specific scenes, character moments, and specific quotes to contextualize my claims and to serve as the basis. Evidence one might say.

You cant "contexualize" to thy kingdom come. Context doesnt matter without relevance. I literally spoonfed you the flaw with your argument with the Problem of Evil analogy and you still have such a fundamental mental block with logic you couldnt understand. It was MY argument. MY criticism that started this all. Aslong as what you say doesnt directly engage with what i said (which it did not. didnt even pretend to quote with greentext) then your "context" is meaningless.

And a lot of these scenes were intended to illustrate what type of 16 year old Maelle is.

How many times do i have to explain that just because you "explain" something, doesn't mean it makes sense? Are you genuinely and actually retarded? Do you simply not understand basic logic?
Your premises dont matter unless your premise is both FACTUALLY true and MOST IMPORTANTLY. LOGICALLY FOLLOWS.

Premise 1: Maelle is 16 years old

Premise 2: 16 year olds are stupid and emotional or something

Premise 3: 16 year old stupidity = weak motivations.

Premise 4: ...weak motivations make you freak out and lash out at everybody in your party pointlessly questioning how they can go on,

Conclusion: Weak 16 year old motivation make you vulnerable to become satisfied with the generic answer Lune has been repeating from the start of the game...

If youre not stupid youll notice all your premises are presupposed and dont even logically follow to the conclusion in any remotely sensible way.

to become satisfied with the generic answer Lune has been repeating

You're absolutely fucking illiterate.

Gustave sees his entire team get slaughtered during French Normandy

His friends are missing and his chances of survival are dim

Gustave holds a gun to his head preparing for the final solution in his agony

Lune talks to him and then he's fine

The next time this is brought up is Sciel joking about it

yeah great exploration of the human psyche bro

nice reddit post

and then he's fine

It’s obvious from their replies that this bait and probably just ChatGPT slop. Or maybe this person is actually a fucking retard. Either way I look forward to them seething when this wins GoTY.

I’m Destinyfag and I think OP is a nigger

please saaars waste valuable time at the camp waxing philosophically about the mission while Maelle could be running from bloodthirsty Nevs

please saaars do not redeem the race against time please saaars

Anon right after she talks to him do you remember what happens next? If you don’t remember then you are a nigger who doesn’t pay attention to the stories you think you’re smarter than :)

I actually thought this guy left this site, I was happy for him.

yeah? nothing happens. nothing happens until the end of act 2. this game is written poorly and you know it :)

What did i get wrong then? Does Maelle not literally apologize to Lune in the camp about her freakout or not? Are you just retarded or what?

is this the smartest thread on the board right now? actual lengthy criticism of e33 that isnt retarded conspiracy theories

that isnt retarded conspiracy theories

having avoided e33 threads mostly, what conspiracy theories are you talking about?

something something chinese funding i dont know i dont pay that much attention to it

I'm gonna call OP a nigger and post a very raunchy Mami pic

oh. i was hoping something more exciting that had to do with freemasons.

didnt read

can already tell youre dumb btw

that's too obvious to be considered a theory

She's 16 years old.
A teenager doesn't need a reason to overblown a situation and generate drama for no reason. That's literally what teens do, they make outburts and its the adult's job to redirect those outburts into proper outcomes that would help society be better.

Your parents failed you if you didn't know this. Also, she was right, Verso, in fact, didn't feel a thing about all those bodies lying around.

Why did everybody just pretend like I was not only wrong, but borderline crazy for my takes? One of the retards arguments was literally just repeating something I already said and acknowledged about Gustave "yeah theres not much he can do but move on but" and conveniently ignored and skipped over the "Butt" part to go on "explaining" to me why Gustave did what he did, as if he was as retarded as the AI ive tried to talk to in the past.
The problem with things like chatgpt, is that they are only to respond to a surface level almost literal idea of what youre saying instead of what you mean.

People on here think that if you have an explanation for poor writing, that it suddenly becomes not poor writing. I gave the example and analogy of the Problem of Evil.

Have none of you ever heard of the concept of "lampshading"? Where a writer does something dumb, but acknowledges it in the story. To make it seem fine through normalization of the awareness of its implied purposefulness?

He can’t just run off like a pussy with nothing to show for it

He can, and he did.
Lune knows he's important which is why she follows him.
The advantage was on him so he could do whatever the fuck he wanted

A teenager doesn't need a reason to overblown a situation and generate drama for no reason.

Also.

SERIOUSLY WHAT IS UP WITH YOU GUYS AND LITERALLY BLATANTLY DOING THINGS THAT I POINT OUT AND ACKNOWLEDGE REGARDLESS OF THE FACT THAT I POINTED IT OUT. ITS AS IF YOURE GENUINELY BOTS OR NPCs THAT CANNOT PROCESS OR INTERPRET CONTEXT BECAUSE YOURE NOT SELF AWARE ENOUGH TO REALIZE THAT YOUR ANSWER IS ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE QUERY
like what the fuck???

Because I know some dumb fucking retard is going to say "WHEN DA TRAUMA PPLS NOT ACT DA REASONABLE YOU DUM DUM"

Like what the fuck, how can you be this openly stupid.

wowwwww blunt strong willed competent girl

Funny because if you actually played the game you would realize she's not, precisely because she suffered a lot.

Gustave states multiple times before his death that he has nightmares so clearly he just didn’t get over it.

also did anybody else catch this stupidity?
lmao retard is using internal story logic that is literally just the writer effectively going "i dont have to show you anything that makes sense, ill just tell you that he still thinks about his teammates death, so the whole fabricated conflict that he seems perfectly fine to put behind him trudging on to fight everything willy nilly that comes his way, was totally a legitmate conflict actually"

fuck i honestly hate coming here to have serious discussion, because no offense you guys are so stupid that it makes it impossible for me to know if im right because i just thought everything through or if im "right" because the people who im asking to challenge me, are literal retards.

i initially made this thread to see if anybody could affirm my idea that the writing is intentionally shallow so as to be subverted like Madoka Magica, and to dispel my worries and qualms.

i could sort of tolerate all the "we have to keep going, we havw to keep fighting on" if its actually going to turn out to be an ironic repetitive mantra that gets exposed for how stupid or hollow it was.

are you the type of person to watch a horror movie and get mad at characters who do not seem to realize they are in a horror movie, making choices that seem wrong to you, the viewer, because their logic/choices does/do not make sense from your perspective, a perspective that acknowledges that they exist in a horror movie?
you seem to recognize that characters can act illogically but then handwave it away. you don't actually say WHY it is wrong for characters to act illogically, you just say that a character acting illogically (see also: human) ruins the entire narrative's ability to be cohesive. and you make this claim without any supporting reasoning. you very clearly have a hard time making a distinction between a character in the narrative and the narrative itself. a character can act illogically while the narrative as a whole is still coherent. some narratives can be incoherent despite all characters acting logically.

You are truly and genuinely retarded. Wow. I dont even know how to address the degree to which you missed the point. Also i dont know why you act so smugly like you know something I dont. I am literally playing the game retard. The writing isnt subtle or deep. She LITERALLY blatantly says to Maelle "I dont know what im doing, I just turn all my grief into fuel to keep me the fire burning and make me go on" yadda yadda. She is not fucking deep or complicated "I will use my suffering...to drive me forward! heh!" is literally one of the most generic (and stupid) Japanese tropes ever.
Especially because of how blatantly fucking stupid and psychologically retarded it is, its like grief is just a "word" in this game. I am hoping and praying its all just set up to get subverted.

The only reason I dont hate Lune is because her genuine constant curiosity for the world is her most human and non generic aspect out of the entire cast.

She's 16, and a woman.

I am literally playing the game retard.

press X to doubt. When I was plying the game, I wasn't on Anon Babble.

I am literally playing the game retard.

press X to doubt. When I was playing the game, I wasn't on Anon Babble.

I am hoping and praying its all just set up to get subverted.

It's not, you can still refund the game.

youre just stupid and not engaging with anything i said. just engaging with a framing you conjured up to cast over my words and understand what you cant understand, through an understanding that no longer needs to be anchored to the reality of what is supposed to be understood.

are you stupid? are you actually stupid? do you not realize what youre doing? do you not realize how pointlessly stupid it is? ironically you are literally acting as retarded as Maelle here, and without any fabricated trauma. except i know and understand exactly why youre stupid.

are you the type of person to watch a horror movie and get mad at characters who do not seem to realize they are in a horror movie, making choices that seem wrong to you, the viewer, because their logic/choices does/do not make sense from your perspective, a perspective that acknowledges that they exist in a horror movie?

you realize how dumb you are? because if i were to say "no i am not" it wouldn't matter, because youre not asking a question, youre effectively not even talking to me since if i said no, youll just retreat to reaffirming your perspective that actually you think thats exactly the type of person i am, retardedly unselfaware of the fact that if my input didn't matter, then you were never engaging with me in the first place, but instead with your personal subjective idea of me where you can always be correct.

an intelligent person would realize that. understand that reality and truth are external to him, and go and look for the REFERENCE point that is the source of his "understanding" of the person who his understanding is in disconnect with.

but because youre a retard too dumb to directly engage with counterarguments that fundamentally disagree with your narrow conceptual understanding of something youre attached to, you cant, and never will.

When I was playing the game, I wasn't on Anon Babble.

You realize that words have nuances and "Im literally playing the game" doesnt have to mean "I am playing the game exactly now" but instead "I am playing the game generally at any relevant point and time to relay experiences directly related to the game".

It's not, you can still refund the game.

lmao.

okay, mr sealioner. see >not engaging with anything i said.
i did. i pointed out how you made a ridiculous claim without any actual argumentation to support that claim. for all the huffing and puffing about not having your arguments engaged with, you sure seem to be doing a lot of that yourself. saying you refuse to engage because you think you can predict my response.

youre not asking a question,

not all questions are meant to be answered. it is a rhetorical question, meant to frame the rest of the comment. surely, someone with your "incredible intellect" could understand that.

without any fabricated trauma.

you're right. my trauma isn't fabricated. it is real. the trauma of dealing with your retarded ass.

its always the good threads that die and its evil siblings that thrives