He did absolutely nothing wrong

Did he have an endgame or was he just trying to protect he family for as long as he could before the world inevitably crumbled?

Probably the latter.

I'd recommend it. There's likely even more foreshadowing than you realize, and a decent amount of things that make more sense with full context. If you know any French I'd switch languages too, it's more direct on some things English is ambiguous on for example, "Those who know not that they are not" from act 1 painted Alicia translates more like "Those who don't know that they don't exist" in French

thinking he can just smash things when stuff doesn't go his way

What was the ending of his genius plan? Getting killed by his wife or she killing herself?

Get her out of there, no matter the cost, even if she went nuts and killed him.

Even the music, with Renoir and Aline literally mentioned in the songs arguing with one another to leave the canvas. If you knew French the game was probably already spoiled for you during Act 2.

I know French but I didn't listen to the lyrics while I'm busy parrying a boss on Expert

bros im ngl. ng+ is kinda a pushover and not very fun. should i just do a regular NG on expert?

He tried to save his suicidal wife and daughter and they didn't even ask for the help

so he's essentially hitler.

Both Renoirs are fantastic antagonists.

I'm on NG3 and I can't beat Simon, the rest was easy though. So maybe try Simon. I can get him to maybe 1/3rd before he fucks me up.

He's the good guy for sure. Dude wanted to save his catatonic family from rotting away in a manor playing pretend like they are on second life.

Just wanted as much time as possible. he knew the real him was gonna nuke everything and that Aline was protecting them all.

He killed millions.

You could probably just remove Painted Power for a similar experience, but yeah you don't have to engage with anything playing ng+ normally.

He killed Gustave, fuck you.

I havent played the game but I know he's evil because he's clearly older than 33.

Once Aline left the painting he had no reason to genocide Lumiere, but did it anyway despite knowing that it would leave three of Maelle's companions alive.

He's a fucking retard like the rest of his idiot family.

he had no reason to genocide Lumiere

He was deleting the entire painting.

He literally didn't

aline literally comes back inside the painting 2 hours later

alicia refuses to leave and would literally just run back in and chroma everyone back to existence if allowed

He was absolutely right in burning down the painting

PRenoir would never have killed Gustave if not for the actions of Renoir.

Nah bro, he just blew a hole in him. The blood loss is what killed him!

Fuck you.
I'm now leaving this thread before I get spoilers as I'm only a decent chunk into act 2

the only wa a commoner can enter a Canvas is by the permission of a Painter.
a Painter can force a commoner to enter or exit a Canvas.
"work for me like a slave and I will reward you with a lifetime of heaven inside the painting"

yeah he's not a good guy

>aline literally comes back inside the painting 2 hours later

And then immediately leaves again.
Renoir's fears were completely unfounded and only made things worse.

THUMP

Thump...

thump....

He wasn't going to destroy it anymore, but Alicia had to be a lying spoiled drug addict

The Renoir in the OP isn't the Renoir from act 1/2

He had no way of knowing how the outside world impacted the Canvas. He just wants his kids to survive and have meaningful lives. Real Renoir wants the same thing and wouldn't have begrudged him, given how he treats fake Verso.

He wasn't going to destroy it anymore

He absolutely was trying to destroy it.

He says he's not going to after his boss fight in act three. The entire difference in the endings is if Alicia forced to grow up or is allowed to keep being a child. If things get bad enough Clea and he will grab her ass and force her out. She's not Aline.

Yeah until we talked him out of it and verso had to do it himself

Why do toy even come discuss the game's lore if you haven't finished it you absolute retard?

Maelle doesn't believe him, why do you?

Should have had more daughters

She does though. She even thanks him after the boss fight.

Yet she tells Verso that Renoir will destroy the canvas the second she steps out.

"your honor, i shot this man because of the tarrifs! trump is to blame for this murder, not me!"

True because he’s not real
:)

Reminder that Maellefags are all bugmen and should not be trusted with anything

That's real Renoir you mongoloid.

new villain drops

Anon Babble fresh and original take:

BRO HE DID NOTHING WRONG BRO HE JUST LIKE ME BRO FR BRO !

How is he a villain? Explain? If anything, he's an antagonist, but it's absolutely impossible to call him a villain.

the mass murderer is not a villain bro i swear bro fr bro !

Claims he has to destroy the canvas because they won't leave

They're only still in it to stop him from destroying it

Way to go Renoir.

none of the people he killed are real

To be honest, there were probably better approaches. If he took a more gradual and supportive approach than "I'm going to kill everything in this canvas and drag you out by force" method then he probably could have done it in quicker than 67 years.

So the world in the game is a fake painting created by verso and his mom and dad are hanging out in there having a slap fight because muh dead son and neet daughter while in the real world there's a war between writers and painters because fuck knows why?
Did I get it right?

yeah

"you killed people in gta??? you murderer!!!"

Then the real world is fine? there's no cataclysmic event that ruined everything it's just writers and painters fighting over something??????

The cataclysmic event was Renoir trying to destroy the canvas after Aline spent who knows how long in there after Verso's death

I choose the get the bitch out of the painting ending because fuck you if I have to go to work tomorrow you too have to face reality
Escapism bad

Yeah the only problem is Aline and Renoir being trapped inside the canvas and slowly dying. Writers never get elaborated on.

all he did was literally just "stop playing videogames all day alicia and do your chores"

He's aware the lives in the painting have value but still culled thousands of them every year. Which is pretty monstrous and clearly wasn't convincing his wife of anything anyways

My wife spends all day every day playing the sims ignoring reality because she can't face the fact our son croaked

Delete her save

OMG YOU FUCKING MONSTER YOU KILLED MILLIONS

They were FAKE

I was going to let Alicia enjoy her escapism until she didn't give a fuck about Verso letting Gustave die
Fuck the Dessendres. Every single one. Suffer in reality bitch.

It was more like doing this

They're going to suffer more in Alicia's ending

I'd rather Alicia suffer every moment of her life with her burn injuries and destroy the last piece of Verso's soul. Aline and Renoi will still be coping for the rest of their lives regardless. I don't think they really care for Alicia much. Maybe Renoir does.

she didn't give a fuck about

But she did, that's why she mindraped him into being her piano bitch.

can someone explain what Clea ment in the tower secret boss area? Kinda sounded like she was fine with Alicia just living in the painting if she wanted to.

just trying to protect he family

He's only trying to protect Painted Alicia

Gustave would of never been born in the first place without Renoir breaking everything.

More or less. She doesn't want Alicia to become a total addict like Aline, but Clea also thinks both parents are being selfish and immature, and ultimately feels Alicia owes them nothing and should do what she wants to do.

Clea hates Alicia because she flirts with writing among other reasons, in case the way she treated her at the beginning of act 3 wasn't telling enough

Why wouldn’t she be? The only reason she helped Renoir against Aline is because she needs his help against the writers. But he won’t help until he gets his wife back.

The real world isn't real either. That's only hinted at though.

We can’t really know that. But he would at the very least be a very different person.

What do you mean? When Lune says "a painting within a painting" or something else? Please, elaborate more, anon

Alicia clutching to that Esquie plushy like it's the only thing keeping her from topping off a building while Gustave beckons in the background, "come, on, cuckoo, jump already" is the greatest image in the game. Warmed my heart seeing it.

Also between that, one of Renoir's lines about Verso's death being the "folly of his parents", and that Monolith flashback segment with Aline standing in a fire alone, it seems to me that while Alicia blames herself for Verso's death, it likely had nothing to do with her and she's as much of a victim as he was.

Check Verso's tombstone in his ending

The only reason the expedition 33 was successful was all because Gustave's inventions, right? Even tho he's just a painted being, he managed to change everything
For those who come after

They beat you over the head with the fact it was the combined effort of all previous expeditions. The explosives, climbers and grappling hook expeditions were the MVPs

WOW, THAT'S ONE CRAZY DETAIL YOU MANAGED TO CATCH ON, congrats, anon, I was too emotional during this cutscene to even notice

clea doesn't care and thinks the whole thing is retarded

expedition 60 reached the paintress using nothing more than peak male physique, everyone else was just having a serious skill issue

what about it?

Well, they also had the luck of not getting obliterated by Reynor as soon as they arrived at the continent

How did they even get past the gommage wall? I never found that out.

Anon........... December 33??? Really? Think about it

You are now imagining renoir trolling expeditions over the radio and calling them faggits

Oh shit 33. Also he died a lot older than I thought

Lmfao, also we don't use faggots anymore, the new term is "baggots"

how does they prove anything, they just have a different calendar

Muscles.

Simon was just buffed by Clea's painting god powers and he wasn't actually a gigachad, right?

Monoco and fake verso's bromance

That hit me harder than anything else in the game.

It's unclear. "Aline" "helped him descend beneath the monolith" but we can't know if that was actually Aline or not because Clea will just overwrite people as she likes.
youtube.com/watch?v=eQ_NxPYDtFU

you DID snuggle with him, right Anon Babble?

Probably both, but she definitely singled him out and buffed him to the moon.

Of course I did

Little spoon?

Just finished the game up. It was good.

After act 2, I assumed the intent that you were supposed to go around and clear the rest of the world before heading for the confrontation in Lumiere, so I did that. But then when I finally showed up to the finale it turns out I had gotten extremely overleveled and I ended up just one shotting Renoir. Oops.

Also

Every cutscene with Verso awkwardly standing in the back while everyone is getting emotional about his dead self and ignoring him completely.

100%

Evil bitch ciel would ditch you for her dead husband in a heartbeat

Bronoko would duel you to the death and snuggle after

The romance choice is pretty clear and I'm not even homosexual.

This implies that their world might be another world inside of our world, like a videogame, yeah, shit's really meta

>Every cutscene with Verso awkwardly standing in the back while everyone is getting emotional about his dead self and ignoring him completely.

Pure kino.

Honestly the game looks like it was carefully designed to appeal to me on purpose just so it could turn around halfway through and slap me with the trope I hate the most in fiction. It feels like the writers were deriving pleasure from seeing me fall for it and I don't like it.

Anon, it's just a fantasy world, fantasy worlds can have different calendars from ours. It doesn't have to go that deep.

33rd of december

Expedition 33rd

THE NUMBERS MASON
WHAT DO THEY MEAN

Explain the year 33 painting in the real world manor

He didn't keep control of his wife or daughters, he's a shitty dad.

Clea took a screenshot of the canvas, next.

The real world section happens in year 49

SEX WITH CLEA

You can adjust screenshots.

This nigga is funny

He trusted his daughter.

Why did the "paintress" kill the people though? What was the reason for that?

She didn't
How did you miss that

She didn't. The numbers she painted on the monolith were a warning as Renoir slowly managed to erase her creations, beginning with the oldest.

I feel like I should be annoyed by the way this story turned out. They somehow didn't piss me off with it though. I guess because I have a soft gay spot for family drama being bloated up to epic proportions, but also because they gave us a sliver of a look into ANOTHER world that I'm interested in seeing more of (the painters vs writers).
Having said that though... I'm pretty worried it NOT pissing me off was a huge fluke and that they might actually be hacks who just managed to hit most notes perfect on their first foray.

Completely missed the point award

why did they have to make his battle theme sound like a church worship song? it's really offputting. I loved the game but some of the music misses from a composition standpoint.

i watched some gameplay videos. doesnt look good ngl

It wasn't working, dipshit.

You must have played some other game because they make it very clear she wasn't the one killing people

Holy retardation

Fucking poorfag lmfao

it feels pretty nice to play as far as the 4 niggas in a row genre goes

EZ bait gotta save this question for all the dogshit threads that get spammed here.

Doing the side mission to revive noco[/spoiler

I have to use monoco in a fight

This nigga has been benched since I got him what the fuck man. No joke he's got like 80 stat points saved up because I've never used him

Just dodge with Monoco and toss items to Verso if he needs them, that's how I did it.

monoco has objectively the strongest abilities if you farm the right ones, he nukes battles I'm underleveled for

wife and daughter being fucking addicts addicted to this fake world, literally killing themselves every second they're in the canvas

is trying to do anything he can to save their lives and get them out

Why are women so fucking stupid

TIL that the globe in Clair Obscur's manor doesn't reflect the real world of the early 20th century but a fantasy alternate timeline.

She knew that she could bring him back at this point.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre-Auguste_Renoir
yeah lol

save their lives

haha... yeah... why should Alicia be allowed to be a perfect girl inside the canvas, beloved by all. No, she should be forced back to her crummy "real" world as a burn victim with no face, missing an eye and can't even speak. Yup, totally better.

Their world is clearly a writer's story.

Why didn't Renoir just pull his bitch out of the painting like a real man? A real man wouldn't have out up with this shit.

Yeah, that was the thing that was pushing them over the edge. The reason why they could take down the Axons, something that Verso and Monoco failed to do multiple times. Not sure why the other two retards are seething at you over that.

acutally only one of them was seething, sorry ex60 bro.

just pretending to be retarded

what are you gonna buy in the Anon Babble (you) shop?

most powerful skill of Alicia is based on a writer

what does it mean

This, she had her memories as Alicia back. She grieved over Gustave because he was her only family, then she suddenly had one who was real and not a fabrication that could be repainted.

It's okay for you to try and safe face. That at least means that you know that you're stupid.

Do you guys think they're going to force a dogslop sequel to this game where they go more in depth on painters vs. writers?

How is this dude not older than 33?

Alicia got WRITED

it's like drugs with nothing else to it

Simpleminded peasant.

safe face

Lol retard!

deepest lore

They can just make any new game under Clair Obscur with different mediums.

not him, but I missed it because I was up playing the game until 5 am and I couldn't process alicia's prose in the letter.

Verso traded his life for a traitor

it's over...

I prefer Writer only point of view.

Verso stop painting and started being a (Musician). Just like how Aline would have love to prefer to be a {Dancer}.

I've always been getting the feeling that Alicia didn't want to be a painter and wanted to be a writer, which is why she got mixed up with the writers in the first place.

even alicia's skills are telling her to go back to the REAL world

It's never been more over for Maelle and Alicia simps.

Don't forget that Clea's a sculptor

knows Alicia is a selfish cunt, but because he's a loving father, decides to leave it up to her choice to leave the Canvas or not

Alicia is quite literally the antagonist.

look at what all these bitch ass painters are up to lmao such losers

WriteCHADS we RISE

Don't forget Alicia explaining the entire twist of the game by writing Verso a letter

should have sent him a .gif file

everyone else is just holding a magic crystal to add their journal entry

FUCK

Why can't Maelle just leave the fucking painting later on? Why does it feel like the decision is so concrete to just stay there forever? Why can't she just cope for a bit and then step back into normal life for a bit? All because this painting has a remnant of Verso left in it? I mean the REAL Verso is dead so I don't see how this affects him any longer.

I know the whole thing is a metaphor for grief and shit but it feels like the devs are saying that when someone close to you dies you either completely erase them and move on or you cope forever and fie with them. Neither feels like the correct choice.

IT IS TRULY A FUCKING MYSTERY

Forcing Aline to get fat is NOT ok

because verso is over it and proved at the end that he can make the real verso stop sustaining the canvas whenever he wants. also consider that maelle is sixteen and not emotionally mature

I kneel you french bastards
I can't keep up with the inception levels of lore anymore

Knows he is ignorant

Spouts ignorance anyways.

I'm so sorry that your candidate lost in November.

Agree. His presence is strong, motivations are clear and respectable and he's played very well

But.. Verso is dead? So what is this piece of him in the painting? A memory? Does it come with the power of being a "painter"? Is the whole thing a metaphor for moving on and letting go?

andy serkis!

Pierce Brosnan

Not making her a romance option is a mistake. We would've had a kino incestuous tragedy of an ending.

just finished the game
the maelle ending gave me chills
I didn't realize the game would be over if you just went where it told you to go on the map for act 3, I thought there would be more after that and things would open up even more
I should have read a guide I guess but I wanted to do it for myself, oh well lol

It wouldn't matter if Maelle would be reasonable and respect Renoir by leaving and coming back a few times. The main problem is Aline and as long as the canvas has Verso's soul in his playground, she WILL find it and grief in it. Maelle being an autist retarded is just another layer.

The Fading Boy is Verso's Soul that he left while he was painting that canvas as a kid. Painted Verso, the one we're playing, was probably based on that soul and Aline memory. Stopping the boy from painting stop the world from going. Both verso are tired.

Verso, you're projecting your own egomania on your sister again. I bet you only saved her from the flames because you thought you'd look good as a savior.

I think her staying in there protects the canvas from getting smashed by Renoir.
I don't see a reason why they wouldn't be able to come to an agreement later on, though.

I was talking about Renoir, not Verso. Renoir did what most parents would've done, which is sad because he also knew she planned on LARPing until she died, leaving him without any family except Clea.

Yeah but I like how Renoir thinks destroying the last memory of their son will help his wife lol like sure it'll keep her from going back into it but she'll still be a mess.

I think this is pretty much the only time when you can genuinely say this guy did absolutely nothing wrong.
Like he's dealing with a hysterical woman and a teenager who is now experiencing the greatest fears a girl can experience:

Having family members die

Getting horribly mutilated

Obviously Dad is going to have to bring out the belt and stage an intervention.
Even if they stayed in the painting, it wouldn't solve the problem in the long run, it'd just kill more people.

Because she's suicidal (as seen in The reacher), and she rather wither away in a happy dream than return to her reality.

Both his incarnations are basically what the dad from FFXV should have been.

You can reload and do post-game content, the last auto-save is before the boss battle.

forcing obligatory romance shit at all felt so awkward.
ciel is literally mourning her husband and rides every cock she sees, and lune is playing hard to get while trying to fuck a guy that's literally 4 times her age
the whole context just seems weird to me. they are essentially trying to fuck an absolutely ancient grandpa stuck in a younger body.

broconfag

No

thanks

The tech side is the only weak part. If you watch a trailer you’ve kind of seen the worst it has to offer, especially because they don’t show the most impressive moments. Combat might look unappealing, but the fun comes from strategy

What abilities do you guys think the painters have in their "real" world? Can they bring their paintings into the real world? They must do more than just make their little copechambers

They're basically VR devs.

I can't believe he actually made the kneel meme real at the end of his fight.

She'll still be a mess, but she'll have to face reality. At this point she's just delaying her reckoning.

zoomers don’t know what a masculine 23 year old looks like

Rule's don't apply to Sigmas.

He's French! He probably smokes, drinks and fucks like a rock star, which is why he looks twice his age.

If people think painted niggas are real then how do they justify Maelle ending? She straight up enslaved the world.

I mean, it's worth noting that Verso was created by his Mom to be the coolest, goodest version of her son.
If even the most idealized, morally upright version of her son is going "This is fucked, I need to get my sister and my mom out of the painting before it kills them" he's got right firmly on his side.
It's like if even your imaginary friends were telling you to get a hold of yourself.

so what's the theory on the accident in the real world?
alicia never hung out with verso or clea in their canvases, instead spending all her time reading and writing. did she want to join the writers and seeing as she was of the dessendre family, took it as an opportunity to fuck them over?

2 weeks into maelle ending

If verso wouldn't suffer then the Maelle ending would be okay. Keeping his spirit alive is kind of the whole point of staying, but it would be to his detriment. Otherwise, it would be like keeping an aquarium, and the other natives to the canvas seem to be okay with it and accepted that their world is fake instantly

Alicia was probably catfished. Remember, she's a teenaged girl. She likely invited some of her totally cool and totally-not-writer friends over, and they tried to kill the entire family, because she's an emotional French girl who probably has no idea what an obvious trap is.

alicia never hung out with verso or clea in their canvases

I think Alicia was 10+ years younger than Verso and Verso wasn't that old when he was canvas diving.

Tell me about Clea.

Muh real vs fake

To me the Dessendre aren't real either, they are vidya characters. So what makes their lives and feelings worth more than people inside the painting?

Verso never seemed to get TOO into canvas-diving, too. His version of the canvas seems to be entirely whimsy, I don't think there were actually any humans inside.
All his creations don't seem to get affected by the Gommage.

why can't we just get this game except with all the gay fantasy world inception shit removed

she wouldnt let me suck her toes no matter how much i asked

They're one layer more real than the ones in the painting.

I kind of agree even though I liked the story lol

A big part of me was like damn I wish this was just a normal jrpg story but this with gameplay.

That's what they want you to think. They are actually the story within a story invented by an evil wr*ter who wants to trick Verso into destroying the actual universe.

Who the fuck wants to read a book about someone reading a book?

because then it wouldn't be the same game, it's a game about family, grief, idealism, expectations, and regret. if there was no painting it would get called a souls inspired grimslop game

Logging on and off to your virtual reality will eventually convinces you that it is all fake.

What's wrong with that, each FF game has its own world, why can't this just be a normal fantasy game.
I want this but you stay in act 1 for the whole game.

cool design

What's wrong with that

because that's not the point of the game, I just said, istg the ONE TIME we get a great game with an inspired, unique story and fags will get uppity about it not being tropey repetitive emotionally manipulative japshit

I missed if painted Verso gommaged with the rest. If he did, who replaced him?

man commits genocide

h-he did nothing wrong!

don't ever change

He was sitting on a pier, reading Alicia's letter.

It's still emotionally manipulative though.

husband tells wife to put her dolls away

literally hitler

He didn't get gommaged. Aline gave him a "gift", which is immunity to the gommage and eternal life.

anon, I'm just saying that it's physically impossible for one man to gommage the painted people without leaving any traces so fast

a story invented by an evil wr*ter

This is actually a cool twist.
Verso's death and the fire and all the crazy shit that happened later were actually an illusion all along written a writer/a group of writers to trick the Dessendre, in order to destroy the painter council.
While in reality they were all alive and were captured by the writers.

Just so we're on the same page, emotional manipulation to be in storytelling is forcing the viewer to evoke an emotion by adding details that don't contribute to the story in a meaningful way, whether it works or not, like making a character a previous rape victim or one becoming the town bike. This kind of thing never happens in clair obscur

Oh ok. I was starting to wonder if the soul within the painting was more than the little boy

So essentially, the story is about a writer making a falseflagging shitpost about painters? it's like your family crumbling about a basedjak

He says he's not going to after his boss fight in act three.

Only after he lost and is about to be ejected from the painting, and before he does his brilliant pis-aller of showing Retardo his coughing mother in an attempt to goad him into ending the canvas (even though that implies she left of her own volition right after reentering.)

Murderer

He erased Aline's creations

she deserved better
she just wanted a good life with her painted family and to write cringeworthy teenage poetry

the real world is fine?

Why would it not be? Personal drama > saving the world

everthing becomes about Verso

the women want to fuck Verso

his sister and mother will die just to spend time with Verso

What a cringe self insert

painted verso looks real

painted renoir looks real

real aline is an abstract sculpture

real renoir is both real looking and abstract (at will)

painted alicia is abstract

real alicia looks real

explain?

Versochaddery. Plain and simple.

needed to be saved by a woman

needed his 2 daughters and 100 years to defeat a woman

then loses to his daughter

What a pussy

>the women want to fuck Verso

That was cringe yeah, she should have been more of a weirdo

Even monoco wants to sex him

why is VP Vance there

the lore in this is drakengard level shit
thanks frenchfags for doing what yoko won't