Why can't console manufacturers include a feature that Sega implemented in every Dreamcast controller almost 30 years ago?
Why can't console manufacturers include a feature that Sega implemented in every Dreamcast controller almost 30...
Because you proved that you didn't want SEGA which is why they aren't making consoles anymore.
you mean analog triggers?
I have never had "stick drift" in my life and im convinced you people are just eating up some marketing shit.
Because you allow them to get away with it. You're still going to buy it, so what financial incentive is there? If anything it makes more sense not to include them so you're forced to buy replacements.
This. Just don't handle your joysticks like a gorilla and you'll be fine.
i thought people bitching about drift were just heavy handed retards who didn't know how to handle their own belongings
but then i became the retard
why are tendies this utterly delusional?
Because it increased cost for something that may or may not be effective at preventing drift than the alternative. Like, people still had controllers that drifted with Hall Effect while there were controllers without Hall Effect that never drifted. Until you can conclusively show every single Hall Effect controller will outperform non Hall Effect controller at preventing drift, no one will buy into this bullshit.
stick drift is happening on sony and microsoft controllers as well
the entire industry's unwillingness to move to hall effect is pretty disturbing and anti-consumer, they just want to sell us the most plastic possible
Like, people still had controllers that drifted with Hall Effect
this is literally impossible, you're talking about people who probably bought some chinese knockoff that claimed hall effect but weren't
I say this with complete sincerity, Sega bowing out of console manufacturing was the worst possible outcome for the industry and we've been suffering the consequences ever since.
Out of the 10 or so controllers I have owned, only one has had stick drift and it was a PS3 controller that had been in use for well over 10 years
every Hal-Effect controller I've had has gotten drift
the ones that don't I haven't
Pretty ironic. Not saying it's not better or helps prevent drift better, but I've always had the exact opposite problem.
NTA but bullshit, my PS3 controller 100% had drift.
It's my fault? ;(
I have, it happened with a cheapass brandless controller i bought at a electronics store.
only the sixaxis controllers had hall effect, DS3s didn't
First two pairs of cons I had, including the one that came with the Switch, had drift out of the box without even using them first.
You sound like a goddamn Best Buy employee shilling your warranties. Take care of your electronics, but I guess that's hard when you live in Southeast Asia.
Yes, I bought a PS3 at launch, that controller has drift.
You didn't mean it. If you were like me, you asked your parents for the Dreamcast after 2001 thinking it was still in production. We were young kids. We didn't know.
I never have, but I also barely use my joycons
no, but that's a related point: triggers can and should be hall-effect as well, which means two non-touching parts that by moving close to each other make magnetic resistance and input without any wear and tear.
Happened to my pack-in PS5 controller like two months after I bought the fuckin thing. Even my N64 controllers were pristine when I finally sold my collection so I'm not putting these things through their paces, they're just garbage.
Fuck I loved 1999
Hall Effect is less prone to drifting, not immune to it.
Because it would cost them $0.10 more to manufacture
They can't get the typical potentiometer drift where physical wear on the sensor causes false inputs. They're still prone to a weakened centering spring giving it enough variance to center imperfectly, or insufficient power causing weird readings.
$0.10 per controller, per sale would prevent Miyamoto from getting another boat. You anons don't want that right?
Joy-con has stick drift
Don’t use it for a couple months
It goes away.
!!!
You can get drift with hall, but it wouldn't come from regular use, you would have to fuck up the magnet via physical shock. It doesn't have wearable contacts like a potentiometer does.
The only controller I've ever had drift on was a single PS4 controller. No other controller, not even my Joycons have gotten drift. Don't understand how you guys get drift so often.
They need to sell those replacement controllers to the man baby whales.
yes you had your chance to buy a dreamcast and you didn't
drift isn't real
just clean the dorito dust and dog hair out from under your stick
Hall effect is a meme that started with joycons being shit. None of the controllers we all used througout our entire life that never drifted are hall effect.
I've had it happen to my 360 controller, my PS4 controller and my PS5 controller, but never my Xbox One or Switch controllers. Guess it's just luck of the draw.
Sega may have made a lot of dumb decisions but at the end of the day they were the most pro-consumer console manufacturer we've ever seen and will probably ever see.
Some Chinese company directly controlled by the CCP (more than usual) invented the modern implemented version of hall effect and doesn't let manufacturers outside of China use it for a reasonable enough price to make it worthwhile.
it's not dorito dust and dog hair clogging the inputs you retard, its the plastic dust from the control stick itself grinding on an abrasive surface until it stops working. I've also had gamecube controllers for twenty years be thrown across the room by relative's shitty children and the sticks still work perfectly no matter how much "dog hair" or "dorito dust" is in the control stick.
because Sony/Nintendo/Xbox use the same sticks. They are mass produced and thus cheaper.
$500 plus tax :^)
That'll be $14.99 to post on Anon Babble weekly. We don't want any undesirables here after all.
But it's still drift nevermind how temperature can affect it vs the traditional controller. You need to prove that the cost from having Hall Effect is enough to offset the drifting (if any) from traditional controllers. We have more than enough people where traditional controllers had outlasted the console itself, so depending on quality or just luck, you're paying a premium for something that may not be needed.
can't
Anon, do you think these levels of judaism are an accident?
With $80 per game and controller that's nothing.
Matrix was right, 1999 really was the peak of our society.
So what do they have instead?
The same shitty chink plastic that caused failure rates of 30%+ in the Switch 1. That'll be $90 + tax + tip pls.
greedy company goes with the cheapest option that ensures you need to replace your hardware as often as possible
Holy shit wowie that's so unexpected!!
Can someone explain what stick drift is? I never quite understood.
saturn 3d controller had them, not dreamcast controllers. Why does everyone get this wrong?
Who gives a shit about sticks? Why the fuck are there no mouse wheels that don't start malfunctioning within a few years?
The Dreamcast controller did have hall effect sticks, but yes, Saturn's 3D pad had them first. I always wonder the same thing.
both of them did
Because nintendo made a ton of money off pretending stick drift didn't exist.
most analog stick technology uses physical resistance to determine the direction the stick has been pushed in.
the constant grinding can cause the resistance strip to either wear out or build up dust from the friction, hindering the quality of the signal and confusing the software
Drifting is a feature, not an issue. Please keep buying new controllers.
didn't the switch 1 joycon have like a 30% failure rate? i don't see how hall effect wouldn't be justified in this case
Awesome but I didn't ask what causes it, I asked what it is. What's the effect of it? What happens when a stick drifts?
Honest question, would hall magnets work properly when there's a powerful magnet pointed directly at the left stick most of the time?
What it sounds like, since the signal is all decayed and staticy, it'll start reading false inputs. Even when the stick is at neutral it might just start sending a signal in a random direction, "drifting" off to the side.
just clean out the dorito dust
make sure you buy a triwing screwdriver
don't lose track of the 20 nintendo patented screw sizes
oh you snapped one of the fragile plastic pieces inside? That'll be $20 for a replacement.
wait, why did you open them yourself instead of spending $60 for a Nintendo Certified Engineer to repair them for you? Now your warranty is void
you're not planning on doing any modding, are you? That's illegal, or at least that's what we're telling you
the default resting spot of the stick will not be center, it'll be off-center, causing motion/movement with 0 input
What the hell is a hall effect?? I had like two videos on it on the background and I still don't know what it is
have you tried paying attention to the videos instead of watching both at the same time in the background
r/thathappened
magnetic sensors instead of physical ones. They generate voltage based on proximity of the magnet, meaning it's entirely frictionless, meaning no failure points.
Depends on how shielded it is from that. Some controllers with both hall effect sticks and hall effect triggers have visible interference on the sticks when you press L2/R2.
gaming died when Sega stop making consoles