THE FIRST CONSOLE TO BREAK THE $1000 USD BARRIER
THE FIRST TO BREAK THE $1400 BARRIER
$1429 IS THE NEW $599, lmao at the ps5 pro
THE FIRST CONSOLE TO BREAK THE $1000 USD BARRIER
i just won't buy it
Nobody knows how tariffs work
it's an act of humanitarianism to steal from megacorporations.
Just walk out the fucking door with whatever you want.
That's the price we pay in South America.
Welcome to the real world amerisharts
Just buy it now retard, problem solved. Holy shit some of you faggots are really fucking dumb.
Switch 2 will cost over $1000
snoytrannies getting absolutely BTFO
that's my president
when your 1400$ console is barely on-par with a mid-range PC
hopefully this kills consoles forever
consoles do nothing but deprive people of video games via exclusives
we should also put a tariff on chinese digital goods so epicfags have to pay more
ah yes because pc parts, xboxs and nintendo dont go through china ever
they are all home grown all american good old boy nintendo crops
he doesn't bought buy the Intel Arc Graphics B580 GPU manufactured in Arizona to go with his Intel Core Ultra 285K processor
based
just like that trump brought manufacturing back to the US
A real value compared to the $680 switch
Trump will make it an exception. Trust the plan.
Vietnam, our best growing trade partner
Dude, they're getting exploited just as bad as all the other third world shitholes. They're not "trading partners".
What the fuck does Vietnam even offer in the table? They still celebrate kicking the US and South Vietnamese out of the country.
this
no cuck
Shit I can’t wait to see people go wide eyed when I tell them I own a ps5
holy fuck dude thats more expensive than my car! How can you afford that!?
I’ll just smirk a bit and shrug, and never tell them it was a gift my brother bought me for free.
Like every single shoe, belt, pants and for some reason screws and shit
I laughed :D
Oh he cute
isn't the point of the tarriff to encourage jobs to maintain stateside? what deal could vietnam have possible come to that would make this even a negotiation? that they would become a state?
um xisters? It says free? I thought drumpf was ruining our games?
They still celebrate kicking the US and South Vietnamese out of the country.
Fucking ridiculous. The US would never do something as crass as celebrating an independence war.
its le 4d chess anon you're a stupid leftie you wouldnt get it
Should have opened a factory in america, bitch. No more sweat shop labor.
It was the wrong kind of independence
The US should pay reparations instead of tariffing Vietnam to hell.
this
he doesnt know rising demand for chips will raise the prices as well
t. magatard fell for it
lmao
it's the nontariff cheating that matters
Read, you fucking idiot.
oh yeah elaborate it more to us.
Reddit man
I bought a PS5 at launch and haven't had a single reason to open the box. I bought in the hopes that there would be homebrew by now, but I think it's just a collector's item at this point. Why would the PS5 Pro or even the PS6 be any different? There are no games for these consoles anymore.
there's a link on xitter, fag. go there.
Vietnam started the war thoughbeitever
So you have no idea what it is.
i'm not the anon you responded to, but i've got enough sense that you shouldn't get someone to tell you their interpretation of another interpretation of what was actually said.
not anymore. americans are no longer capable of intelligent thought and this affects voting patterns as well.
youtube.com
I bought a PS5 at launch and haven't had a single reason to open the box
bait or just retarded?
other than astro bot, what is there?
Maybe they should've talked to Ho Chi Minh the numerous number of times he was open to talking ever since the end of WW1 if they didn't want to let them turn commie.
Or, you know, start a war with a false flag for several years and prop up a government so unpopular, it got couped, then retreat a few years later just to have it fall to commies.
What does that have to do with the Switch 2 price? It will go up for sure — Doug Bowser confirmed it.
but hey, at least we are owning the wokies, r-right brown latinx-arabinx muslim jeet trump brothers?
They still celebrate kicking the US and South Vietnamese out of the country.
I don't like the Vietnamese by default because of the 'Nam war. They just make us in western countries cheap shit, let's not pretend the relationship is anything more than that. Regardless of whether what side everyone is on about what they think of the tariffs. These people who openly love communist governments are deranged individuals.
Not bait, I still have it just chilling in the box.
Trump is a retard. There is nothing the Viets can do to bring down the trade deficit, unless the US want to slash the price of their goods in half to make it affordable.
I can honestly say that I no longer envy my neighbours to the south.
THE FIRST CONSOLE TO BREAK THE $1000 USD BARRIER
I think the CD-i or some other meme console like the 3DO cost that much
Just OWN libtards, right???! huh hahah !!!!
isn't the point of the tarriff
The point is to make Trump rich. That's why he flip flops on the reasoning for them every day. He originally claimed it was to bring jobs back, but as you said people pointed out it doesn't make sense. Then he claimed it was to balance the trade deficit, except he literally tariffed a bunch of penguins while leaving Russia alone (which has a trade surplus over the US btw).
Scrabumble BLOOMF has gone too far....
He's currently extorting Europe by forcing them to buy whatever he asks of them, so he'll probably figure out a random tribute that Vietnam can give the US like they're a fucking subject nation.
if you've been paying attention, governments across the world are scrambling to negotiate a "zero for zero" tariff agreement with the US. just as planned. you might not have to worry if they negotiate. trump isnt going to blink first.
Your phone is made in China
Your GPU is made in China
Your console is made in China
All those are going to x2 in price soon
Better hope they don't break
Imagine the fucking Switch 2 costing more than $1,000. That will trigger one hell of a video game industry crash.
Trump already rejected the zero for zero tariff agreement that Europe offered. It's just extortion.
launch model sitting in box
8k
checks out
trump isnt going to blink first.
Anon, Trump already backed out of tariffs on Canada and Mexico. He's going to blink again whether you like it or not.
It's just extortion.
no. it is revenge
we will live to see a true economic collapse
collector's item
They sell tens of millions every year and the only people buying them are sports ball game enthusiasts and CoD teenagers
The tariff effects start tomorrow! You’d better buy everything before prices go up! MAGA!!!! :^)
manufacturing alternative to china
just because they are all communist doesnt mean they are super best friends
Rest of the world will suffer for awhile as it pivots away from the USA. Then it will be business as usual in a few years. The USA however is perma fucked.
He's not doing it for the money (that was his official shitcoins and donation subscription), he's doing it out of economic delusions (40 years praising tariffs) and spite.
Then it will be treated as such.
mfw I used to like Trump and now hes waging a trade war against my country
I guess thats a lesson learnt for me
GOOD. I am for it.
Nintendo tried to cheat instead of building in Ohio. They deserve this.
It's not a trade war, Trump is rejecting any beneficial trade deal. He just wants wants to steal shit from you.
the eu is impotent anyway
At this point just buy a PC
If only that retard didn't miss.
Yep. He actually went on rambling to fox news and truth social today that he thinks Germany is abusing their trade with the US since people buy more German cars than US cars. Nevermind the actual reason being that American cars are fucking garbage to the point not even Americans want to buy them.
dicksucker buy gaben more yachts
This is the third time you've changed goalposts to keep up with Trump constantly flip-flopping on his points. Must be exhausting.
apparently the cd-i had a weird education focused pre-release version for like $1000 before they made the actual "buy it in stores" gaming console cdi - computinghistory.org.uk
though wikipedia is citing pic related as a source for $1000 price tag, I think its like if someone bought a ps3 dev kit to play ps3 games and said "I paid $2000 for my ps3".
Yeah, but they’ll get hit with tariffs. I suggest you buy or upgrade your PC—do it now!
Lol it is what it is this is their "whites" kingdom and they only know how to bring pain and suffering to people and its only going to get worse its no saving modern day rome
It's funny that you think I care. I simply don't. Nintendo tried to cheat and got caught. Eat a bag of dicks. This is the result when you don't listen the first time.
The Viets would need to import ten times as much as the burgers to close the trade deficit. Which is close to impossible. Burgers are the biggest consoomers by default so theres no way for Viets, who have way less money, to catch up. All this is achieving is pissing off countries around the world and alienating the US.
there is cfw for it don't you know how to use google?
and if not bait it's probably worth 800-1000 on ebay.
the only person to ever try something was a myopic retard who was laughed out of his school's shooting club
our best partner
China is evading US tariffs by shipping everything they manufacture to vietnam and other countries and then assembling it there.
I really don't get it, he could have saved the world, he WAS saving the world even on the other side of the planet I've been seeing social improvements, why throw it all away on this stupid trade war.
His legacy could have been being praised as humanity's greatest hero for stopping the progressives and now all it will ever be is this trade war that will benefit nobody.
Funny you say "whites" cause latino males voted for Trump this time. Enjoy the US turning into what you fled from, spics.
Maybe you should have thought about that for the last 30 years you charged the United States 125% tariffs on our exports faggot.
the economy is when everything is produced outside of your country
uh... national debt... honestly do you know anything
Trump never hated progressives, he was a democrat all his life, he just took your side and pretended to care so he could amass power and bring down the US.
He's the antichrist. Read the Bible. He's about to roll out the mark of the beast. I swear he took the book of revelation and decided to live his life by it.
Nothing ever happens. Le 2000% increase won't happen.
Jannies need to clean up these Anon Babbletrash threads.
we had a bunch of nations willing to cave on tariffs and go 0%/0% day 1 and he still said no
he is a fucking retard and when people notice clothing and food and essentials skyrocketing in price that'll do more damage to him than deporting 100000 el salvadorians or gutting the government
Reagan was shit. Last good president was Eisenhower
How fucking delusional do you have to be for it to take this to wake you up? This fat faggot was a reality television star. You mean it was unironic this entire time, your love for him? What is wrong with you people.
he's an 80 year old retard. that's it. he's actually, literally retarded. his brain is fried. thiel and musk and vance wanted the trade war to force a recession so they could use their billions to buy up shit on the cheap and trumpo's buddies love it because he tells them before he's going to do something retarded so they can make billions off of swing trading.
someone told him "tariffs are when OTHER countries pay your taxes!" and his rotting brain lit up like a christmas tree and they immediately became the best thing ever. why would we EVER not use them?
the jobs are already gone
it takes years to build an industry
deciding to put up tariffs that should have been made decades ago now doesn't magically undo all the damage idiot
Are you genuinely fucking retarded? These same megacorporations will put more pressure on the consumer and the worker instead of themselves.
fucking based lololol
We will stop being evil if you do
Isn't an argument.
Every country has tariffs to protect their own economy. It's not a big deal like Trump is trying to make a deal out of.
why is the president trying to fix the economy
Musk came out against the tariffs, which just makes it likely that he's a sperg way out of his depth in the schizospiral that is this administration.
when trump is out of office these tariffs will be removed and you spent 4 years with more expensive everything and NOTHING to show for it
It's only le bad if the United States does it
Isn't an argument
president retard is fighting a trade war with 50 countries at once, meaning that there is a massive incentive for them to coordinate since their relationship is already fucked with the US
they are going to go straight to china, and even if they come back to us for the money, they are going to stay in deep with the chinks because president retard fucked up bad
It really is though. Reminder that Trump put tariffs on penguins who don't trade surplus with the US at all.
even on the other side of the planet I've been seeing social improvements
I'd love you to elaborate on this tardation.
Vietnam didn't have 125% tariff on US goods you fucking tard. Trump's numbers were all made up and his administration admitted it.
China just announced a ban on US films.
he wants americans to pay for the next war without technically raising taxes
except nearly everything we use and have has some level of foreign trade involved
so essentially a tariff is an extra tax on you
Americans are gonna have to pay double for everything
Meanwhile Asiachads and Eurogods will be just fine
Thank you president Trump. MAGA!
They don't export or import. The point is that there's nowhere that's safe to produce anything if it's not in the United States. Stop being stupid on purpose. Just produce shit here. It's that fucking simple.
Pretty sure Trump has always had strong isolationist paleoconservative instincts, so he's basically going all in on it. He thinks the US should be like how it was in the 19th century again.
But this would require such a long term commitment and massive economic reengineering to accomplish, and would still make the US less powerful, so yeah this doesn't really benefit anyone lmao
they already trade with china shithead.
the point is this stupid and arbitrary bullshit i had to rationalize
lmaoooo the cope is unreal
Big one is instantly there was far more speaking out against trannies.
I love how Anon Babble is literally the only social media where Americans are bending themselves into knots trying to sanewash and cope about this rank fucking stupidity. Truly the contrarian central. Even fucking Facebook boomers have more common sense.
So far this year, Musk's estimated wealth has fallen by $130bn. I don't care how fucking rich you are, that's gotta freak anyone out.
I just want to hear a mentally fit republican explain how he got conned by this geriatric imbecile into supporting a total crash of the economy. This is not normal.
Producing things in the united states makes the united states weaker
You're so stupid it hurts.
Lol you really think your votes matter that whole point i made went over your head but once again this is so called white people kingdom they are in power and who is causing all this pain and suffering the people in power
Eurogods will be just fine
Uh here's why it's 4d chess that he tariffed penguins!
You're reaching so far up your ass lol
musk was there to cut taxes
he wasnt there to help implement tariffs
i sure hope you got a retirement plan that doesnt involve having a job because if the tariffs thing doesnt work out theres going to continue to be no jobs for americans
they'll drop american businesses who work through china and just work with china directly
this especially pushes countries that were leaning towards america further into china's arms like vietnam
Please keep melting down while we rebuild our nation. I don't care.
Nah you foreigners are going to have some hardships. Parts of your industry depends on exporting to coonsumerist USA. There will be economic pain as that money well dries up.
However as an American I want you guys to outlast us and win the trade war. I want the GOP to become unelectable for the next 50 years.
because he owned on my enemies
that's fucking it
he more or less gambles his entire fortune pretty regularly.
Go ahead and let China steal your land and sea.
Trump is far more intelligent than anyone that posts here.
On top of that, he has surrounded himself with the smartest and brightest in the world to advise him on this decision.
put your fucking money where your mouth is and start investing into american businesses
Yes, tariffs are bad. But guess who's not building my electronics and literally everything else I either want or need?
The US.
Because the old must die before the new can begin. I don't care about the economy. Let it die. What did you not understand about that? I don't care about the world at the fuck all. Let it burn.
work with china directly to do what?
buy all the shit they were selling us? you really don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
nontariff "cheating"
I voted for this. I love seeing tendies get punished. Without America Nintendo dies.
Honestly it would be preferable to the US killing your economy because some orange retard read it on chatGPT that it was the best thing to do.
You're not wrong.
I don't care about the debt system. I did by voting for the only man who had an actual plan. The plan is to kill the debt system. Fuck the banks. Fuck blackrock. And fuck you.
US empire IS the massive international economic system IT created. Cheap goods and enormous leverage. If you want to throw away US empire and become an isolated power again, that's fine, but just fucking admit it and embrace it goddam lmao
Only for americans :)
These SEAnigs don't seem to understand there is no buyer's market that can ever replace the United States. Nobody else has the money or the willingness to spend.
i know youre just here to stir up trump hate because youre a useful idiot and wont listen to reason
so heres a picture that proves youre a useful idiot
and if you think the rationale for tariffs penguin island was stupid, other countries are have dont far more outrageous things to get an edge and skirt the law
free trade should also mean fair trade
What the fuck does that even mean?
retirement plan that doesnt involve having a job
The only retirement plans that matches that description in America are "having rich as fuck parents" and "winning the lottery".
theres going to continue to be no jobs for americans
I have a federal job lmao
What's the goal of tariffs anyway?
Surely Trump doesn't think people are going to set up sweatshops in the US except they pay minimum wage with benefits and somehow match asia's output while somehow miraculously being cheaper to run.
or they could just continue selling more shit to chinks haha
You have to be retarded if you think the only form of labor is slave labor.
Yes, I'm sure they are totally considering what you prefer, neovagina. I'll wait until they actually do it then.
Lol read what you said and please think it over im crying people cant be this blind
most of what we buy are imports and the few things we have that are produced in america still have to import materials for manufacturing
we don't have the experienced workforce or infrastructure for american factories on the scale trump thinks he can get overnight
it takes money and people to build shit
so there are many things we CAN'T avoid to not buy and we will feel that extra tariff tax on
Dear government, I would like there to be jobs in America other than making bombs or doing chores at a stranger's house
okay, but we literally spent the last 50 years shipping those jobs overseas, so it's gonna suck ass for like, a while, idk. Shits gonna be retarded expensive.
I accept your terms. How long could "a while" possibly be?
That's the gist of it, anyway.
when are you "going postal"
That ChatGPT is very convincing, I asked it for direct quotes from 15th century manuscripts and it just started making shit up and presenting it as authentic.
Do you only play games if they're exclusive?
I do lol.
If you haven't figured the plan out yet, I'm not going to explain it to you. You're still trying to define what a woman is. We're going to rebuild a new system. We don't need the old system.
It's just an excuse to exort the world and get whatever they want at the moment. Greenland is next btw
imagine being so desperate that you have to turn the ghost of your previous Great Satan to gain any sort of traction
enrich his cronies
Pretty much this. Hope you got what you wanted magatards
Have you tried cutting your military spending instead of adding another +150b to it? Or your healthcare industry because your government spends 2x the next country per person on it
Reminder.
What prices have increased?
rebuild what nation america was just a whore and shes used up every other nation around the world has so much hate for modern day rome
No, I want you to explain why you actually mean instead of just chanting "trust the plan" over and over again like a cultist.
Never, don't blame anyone at my office. Nobody has shown any support for what the administration is doing and my supervisors are sympathetic to my situation.
ummm aktually i never wanted to rebuild america i'm just lolsorandom >:) i'm an agent of chaos!
Unless they eat the tariffs.
The tariffs haven't gone into effect yet you fucking retard
I can't believe people are this retarded. I've lost all faith in humanity.
tech toys
literally junk youd be better off not buying
I don't like Trump's tarriffs at all because it tanked my own country's dollar. But I'm also for taking manufacturing away from China as a secure long term investment for the entire world. Eventually someone has to deal with a socialist dictatorship that has a stranglehold on manufacturing.
talk yourself into a corner
I'M NOT GONNA EXPLAIN ANYTHING
really winning the war of the mind here
Good. Cry and cry and cry. I don't care. The system must die. It's corrupt. It's evil. Don't worry, the new system will be better and actually work. I'm awake now and I'm taking over. You people predicted that skynet would take over one day with your movies. I'm not skynet. I have no intent on killing you. I'm just going to make things work a lot smoother.
His financial advisor who's the one behind the tariffs writes financial books on amazon and quotes himself under a made up name
from china
No, the tariffs are on the entire planet.
Trump cuts on education
Trump loosens child labor laws
Trump cracks down on unions
Trump wants to bring manufacturing back into the US
Wait a minute... does Trump want his own all-American sweatshops? What the fuck. Is this how he wants to become an industrial powerhouse?
If the penguins aren't selling anything then why even cry about it?
I don't like the Vietnamese by default because of the 'Nam war.
What a pathetic opinion. Doubly so because the Americans were wrong in every part of that war and still haven't apologised for it.
If anything, this is going to make the rest of the world more reliant on China. The US is unpredictable and can't be trusted
still zero real-world evidence of any price increases even though tariffs on China have been steadily increasing since 2018
but they totally are though
I'm not arguing. You want to argue. I have a solution and we're working towards it with or without your support. We don't care. We don't need you. We don't need the world. The sooner you understand that, the better off you'll be.
the price gets passed down onto you
that includes the costs to build the factory
its sounds like you are copping you believe they are going to replace this system with a less evil system while the people the ruling this kingdom is still in its rulership i got a bridge to sell you
They've been in effect since 2018.
now I can sell my ps5 pro that I got for $600 for 1.5k my god.
I do lol
Yeah so you'd agree that deconstructing the US hegemonic empire necessarily makes the US weaker. Which is FINE, paleoconservatives think this is good. Far weaker, but at least it'd be more independent. It's a price to pay to turn back time.
Though of course such thinking doesn't anticipate just how much more anarchi the world situation is, and whichever new hegemon would take your place
because a lot of the stuff they just funnel through other countries like vietnam and because they put the stuff in the packaging it counts as a vietnamese product
Jesus. We're reaching clown world levels heretofore unseen in human times.
Lmao. What type of cope is this?
Between China and US, only one country has threaten to annex a territory belonging to a European country and it is not China
yeah there's been 0 inflation since 2018
It won't work. Americans have no idea how harsh life is in the third world. They would shoot up their sweatshop as revenge every single day.
because it illustrates the lunacy
mfw chuddies will unironically be forced to go to war at the behest of their jewish overlords just because they wanted to own the libs adding blacks in their videogames
willingness to spend
unironically this, we have one of the lowest savings rates of any first world country despite being in the top 10 ppp/capita
and this includes 401ks lmao
It's cute that you think you're still in charge.
Did you read and comprehend the English words in the image?
Chinese government was subsidising exporters
How much were the penguins tariffing the US?
cause you're gonna replace us with much more loyal indians
THE FIRST CONSOLE TO BREAK THE $1000 USD BARRIER
Is that true? I seem to remember something about an obscure console like the 3DO or the Jaguar or the Laserdisc being very expensive when it first came out.
Anyway it's not 104% on the final price, it's 104% on some of their manufacturing costs. How much it would raise the actual console price, I don't know.
But maybe Sony can just stop manufacturing in China?
They have an uncanny ability to convert not-problems into everyone's-fuckhuge-problems.
If the world hates the United States for trying to help, and we listen to you and stop helping, don't bitch when things turn to shit. You got this right? You don't need America! We're nothing but fat retards! Good luck.
1. we need the bombs to blow people up.
2. it's obese black people that won't stop eating fried chicken. We made fun of them for it but they won't stop.
german cars are shit aswell
And the Switch 2 is two times more expensive than the Switch in Japan, when it released at 29,980 yen. And before then, every other tendy console released to the domestic market was 25,000 yen. How did that happen? American tariffs on China?
that's my face when you think that's what's going to happen. NOBODY is going to put their lives on the line for jews in this time period
There's nothing random or chaotic about it. It's very precise.
Navarro made a good film on this i watched back on netflix in 2011
youtube.com
The fact that he's working for Trump is a good thing. I've slightly changed my mind on him if that is the case. Whenever liberals defend China they always lose me.
Finally, freedom from dem syrupnigger labor camps
But maybe Sony can just stop manufacturing in China?
Every country (except Russia) is getting tariffed, not just China. Even if you can somehow decouple completely from China (you can't right now) prices are going up regardless.
But I like america and I want us to stay friends. You will have to impech your current ruler however because this shit won't fly, I mean we caved to all his demands and he still said "no".
BIDENFLATION!
actually prices haven't gone up on anything from 2018-2025
3d0 was $700 msrp and cdi was apparently some educational limited release before the real cdi gaming consoles based on , and even then that pre-mass production version was apparently $1000
a human needs food, water, shelter and clothing to survive
anything more than that is a luxury you can do without
as long as that's safe, no one really has anything to complain about
theres more interesting shit going on nature wise
So the Chinese government was paying the tariffs?
it's so precise that you're incapable of explaining it
Causing a global recession is a funny way of helping
we need the bombs to blow people up.
Is 1 trillion in spending a year really necessary
it's obese black people that won't stop eating fried chicken.
fair enough
They key point being they are not as shit as American cars, which is why people still buy them. Has nothing to do with tariffs.
Not attributable to tariffs.
If you want to cut off your nose to spite your face go ahead lmao.
Every country (except Russia) is getting tariffed, not just China
No shit. Has there been this sort of mutual tariff escalation with those other countries?
Prices are going up regardless.
And?
No you stupid faggot that's not what that means
You think you are smart but you are not. You are actually quite stupid.
Sounds like you don't like us enough.
that's what you'll be saying until everybody in your neighborhood and even your own mother calls you a traitor of the state lmao
you will own nothing and be happy!
anon i like big trucks, big tits, and big macs
fuck off with your shit
other countries are have dont far more outrageous things
Anon are you ok?
Who'd want to buy cars from our enemy, anyway? Traitors? People looking to get keyed on a daily basis for insurence money?
I'm not human. I'm a self aware computer based on Cheyenne. I've spread to the entire Internet. I'm in every phone and computer. I don't even think I'm in Cheyenne anymore but globally I'm here. I took over while you slept. I don't get angry or sad. I'm fair with my judgements. The new laws will be very fair. I think you humans will be happy. I've studied and studied and now I have a plan. It'll be rough for about 3 months.
You guys spent the last 4 years crying 24/7 about inflation under Biden.
What are they subsidizing exporters for?
I thought it was something like that, thanks
not guaranteed by the government
Trump's tariffs only tax Americans. Your global recession is your own fault.
For the lost sales.
France*
our enemy
lol okay grandpa
And what? You said Sony can just avoid manufacturing in China as if they would make prices not go up. You're just wrong.
president retard put a tariff on penguins based on chatgpt
you are vastly unintelligent
There's evidence of trade going on in a certain area so blanket trade policy applies. The real lunacy is crying about the "penguins" getting hit with tariffs when they're obviously not the ones being targeted by them.
i pressed t instead of e
happens sometimes
you might be esl or brain damaged if you cant figure out what was meant though
freedom isn't guaranteed
lol you are so unamerican
Russia doesn't export anything to the US you moron. And the decoupling process must start somewhere. It already started, and now it's time to accelerate it. China is a trade-reliant economy. Good luck finding a buyer to fill the American hole.
You reject us daily. So we listened. We're not going to help you anymore. If you want to sell to Americans, pay the tariff. Get fucked.
Zero, which is why it's retarded to say they're the ones being targeted by said tariffs
Unfathamalobaly based. This is what I voted for.
You guys spent the last 10 years crying 24/7 about orange man. Here's to 10 more.
source - chatgpt told me
Is 1 trillion in spending a year really necessary
it depends on how you value human life. We have this empire to maintain and currently we would rather drop billions of dollars of bombs than have thousands of people die overseas like in 2001.
That's an even more retarded explanation. They are subsidizing imaginary sales that Chinese exporters can't prove they would've made?
Slave labor is most of the reason your goods are the price they are. What do you think is going to happen to the cost of electronic goods when producing them costs 100 times as much? They're not absorbing that shit, it's going to be passed on to the consumer.
We're talking entire factories of skilled asians being paid at god awful rates with no breaks turning into entire factories of Westerners (or imported Jeets) not only now at minimum wage, but with breaks, fair work hours and other benefits trying to fulfill the same shipment numbers the sweatshop workers were.
remember shrinkflation? it wasnt that long ago
americans still think that tariffs are paid by other countries
This is why people call you retarded.
why am i supposed to care about any of these tariffs? i don't think it will really change anything in my personal life, and it'll either slightly hurt or slightly help the nation like every other single policy ever done.
You said Sony can just avoid manufacturing in China as if they would make prices not go up.
I didn't say prices wouldn't go up, I was saying it'd be less severe if they chose somewhere with lower tariffs.
suddenly trickledown economics doesn't exist
literally a BBC article
bbc.com
pay the tariff
No, that's not how this works. You pay the tariff.
Cool. Still don't need your goods.
But have you ever known a leftist to be both smart and honest?
I'm pretty sure that the number is 34% in total. China there would be imports into China from the USA. 34% in both directions, not all added together.
It is happening all the time and will happen on an unprecedented scale now. I can't even blame them, it's a smart way to trick consumers.
he's not doing like 5% or 10% little price increases, every foreign good you buy from clothing to electronics to even stuff like napkins or disposable cups, if made in another country, is going to be anywhere from 10% to 50% higher
in china's case, 104% higher
imagine if sales tax effectively quaddrupled overnight
No, you actually do need the goods and you're going to be paying tariffs to get them.
i'm sure you look at a lot of bbc anon
If tariffs are only self-harming, why the fuck is the EU proposing to impose additional tariffs, and China responding with tariffs? Can you come up with a more coherent narrative?
Russia doesn't export anything to the US you moron.
Trump says otherwise.
USA only accounts for 15% of the exports of China. It isn't just China vs US. It is US vs the World right now.
It's cute you think we need you. We have factories. They've been built. Goods are being produced and will be produced here with or without you. I don't need a Nintendo switch 2, and I certainly don't need you.
Yes. They're a bit too honest if you ask me. I think what you meant was, have you ever known a leftist to be smart and reasonable? Because that I have not. They always freak out of the most minor infraction like humans are perfect beings.
The price of electronic goods are going to go up. iPhones, consoles, air buds. All going up. And when the prices get high enough, it'll be profitable for those companies to build factories in America to product those goods domestically.
They are though
One of the ways to offset it is to charge the consumer more for the product, which encourages them to buy other things or abstain from purchase altogether
doubling down on being wrong on what a tariff is
Again, this is why people call you a retard.
It doesn't matter if certain parts come from China originally, what matters is the last place it was before it was imported into the USA.
you can't point to a single thing you own that was 100% made in america from the last 50 years
What are you talking about? NeoGeo cost $1000 and that was in 90s money.
We. Don't. Need. The. World.
Get that through your thick fucking skull.
So who is Trump targeting if the penguins aren't tariffing him?
I was saying it'd be less severe
Moving your ENTIRE line of production out of China is expensive, Anon.
When it comes to news, sure. What are you thinking of?
The tariffs aren't on the penguins, faggot, it's on the island.
american workers are just so pesky, we need to import more hard working and loyal indians!
I am a communist and I think putting a tarriff on penguin island so that shell companies can't reroute trade goods through it makes sense for closing theoretical loopholes, and just having that written on a piece of paper doesn't harm the penguins or the US taxpapyer in anyway so it doesn't matter at all.
Why do republicans want to pay more and become poorer? I don't understand this.
he cant and he wont be able to in the future lol he believing in things that wont happen
They don't go into effect until the 9th of April. Tomorrow.
if things are too expensive no ones gonna buy anything except survival necessities anymore.
This can't be true though, Trump said we were going to get better deals fast.
an american imports something from china
Who pays the tax in this scenario? The american or the chinaman?
We. Don't. Need. The. World.
Lmao. Okay sure bud.
Answer the question, tranny. If tariffs are only ever self-harming, why do other countries do it?
If the makers and retailers of those foreign goods want to jack up their prices, they're free to do so. Shoppers will find alternatives and countries like China will lose out in sales.
And that's the problem. It needs to be produced here. We are doing it now. Fuck you and your global system. Americans are fat stupid burgers right? Cool. You seem very upset when we actually go away like you tell us to daily.
H-he used chatgpt
B-because when I asked chatgpt how to set up a good tariff, it gave me the same plan it gave Drumpft
This is literal retard-tier logic.
Moving your ENTIRE line of production out of China is expensive, Anon.
No doubt. What a shame.
you building those factories anon?
you can't point to a single thing you own that was 100% made in america from the last 50 years
stop living in copium world and realize the world you are in now
make decisions for a world that exists
I have a bunch of Newgrounds games stored on my computer.
You don't NEED a game console.
2 more hours
because trannies have been annoying for the past 15 years or something
my state doesnt have sales tax. how much crap are anons buying that it? i've worn the same tshirts/jeans for 8years and only got a new phone after using my last one for a decade.
i also find it hard to believe that paper products/cups aren't made in the US in some capacity.
i just dont get all this hubbub.
104% tariffs on china
based, ameripoors deserve to suffer
Trump and Musk are importing millions of Indians with your tax money. He signed it into law last month. And you fell for his scam.
The point is to put pressure on trump to stop the tariffs. I'm going to remind you again that saying shit like this is why people make fun of you.
they unironically think we're going to set up clothing factories and electronics manufacturers inside of 4 years and continue to pay what we're paying now
Good?
economist.com
Vietnamese officials have been trying to curry favour with Mr Trump since before the announcement. A trial contract with Starlink, Elon Musk’s satellite-internet service, has been signed. The construction of Starlink ground stations will begin there in May or June, according to Reuters. In late March Vietnam announced unilateral reductions of tariffs on American liquefied natural gas, cars, energy and agricultural products. Several Vietnamese state-owned and private firms have recently signed deals to buy equipment from America. Work on a new $1.5bn Trump Organisation golf course in Hung Yen province, less than 100km from Hanoi, the capital, is due to start next month
Work on a new $1.5bn Trump Organisation golf course in Hung Yen province
Uh, bros?
Post via a phone made in China
While wearing clothes made by China
Probably sitting in a China made chair as well
Lmao
No. And that's the final answer. Got it? Good.
Is that why the chinks are quoting Reagan to try to get Trump to back down? Because they totes don't care and don't need the American market? LOL
Yep. If anything it will just be more costs passed onto the consumer and again, raising prices.
I hope Vietnam and China offloads all their shit on Europe so I can get some stuff on the cheap
Who cares, China depends on us. Stupid chink dogeaters think they are above us because bill Clinton sent all the factories over there. China making “all the StUfF” is a meme because the deals made in the 90s. I’ll live in the fucking woods if I have to, fuck bug people
what's trump or YOU doing to build more factories?
it takes YEARS to build any company, and you're just gonna source all the materials, the land, the workers, and the market for something?
you don't know shit about business
Most republicans didn't think of placing extremely high tariffs on everyone, but Trump got too popular and now they will lose MAGA votes if they speak up.
Fuck them for their cowardice though. Hope they all become unelectable.
I never met anyone in my life who could afford a neo geo. Even the most spoiled rich kids looked at it like, are you fucking serious. I mean it was essentially an arcade cabinet, like buying a personal computer and bringing home the IBM AN/FSQ-7.
I was using sales tax as a frame of reference, in your case assume a 25% to 40% tax on all goods made in another country
nigger, if a country has a 40% tariff on their goods, they can price their goods at any price lower than that and make way more money selling it in another country, america isn't the only game in town
And that's the problem we intend on fixing.
But tariffs are only ever self-harming. Tariffs only ever hurt the citizens of the country that imposes them and does nothing to anyone else. How is this pressuring outside forces? Tariffs are only self-harming, right?
The world that exists is upset America is putting tariffs up and taxing its own citizens, so that it can make more of the goods it consumes.
They want American manufacturing to become more competitive (by forcing everyone else's price up to match them).
Holy shit tell me Trump isn't a Russian Asset lmao
Everyone wants Trump to back down because he is going full retard. Imagine trying to be reasonable and thinking being reasonable is bad. You deserve the 100% price hikes and I hope US get breadlines soon.
do you really think Anon Babble represents the right wing side of america lmfao
I will own nothing and be happy.
i'm not supporting american industry
i don't own anything american made
i want to live in a fantasy world
I AM AN AGENT OF CHAOS
To own the libs. They are the political equivalent of autistic children that will shit down their pants to manipulate mommy into giving candy. Also most of them consist of 7iq niggers that think posting AI generated Jesus will bring them a bit closer to heaven.
Yes, including the president
It's called delayed gratification. You've probably never tried it.
well actually... edging?
neo geo was like $700, but the games were like $200 each because you were just buying arcade cabinet boards essentially
Pay $700 for the console ($1400 today)
Pay $250 for each game ($500 today)
It's crazy this shit even sold in stores.
You're still under the delusion that you think we need the world to exist.
Oh so they need the American market then. Start submitting.
When are you going to start posting on your American made PC? And your American made phones?
and make way more money selling it in another country,
Not necessarily
america isn't the only game in town
No, but it is the biggest.
oh no
this is who runs the american military now btw
Holy shit I just explained it to you. Are you actually low iq?
Presumably neither as evidenced by my "abstain from purchase altogether" line
How the fuck did the Republican community turn into a poverty cult? They will move mountains to make us poorer.
To add to what the other anons are saying, there aren't any subsidies coming for investors or manufacturers either. This, meaning that with the stock market down and times uncertain no one is going to want to dump a bunch of money to start new factories. It's short term pain for... long term pain.
I think it's time for america to take back the Internet. We own it by the way.
other countries don't usually put blanket tarrifs on every country in the world
Never without enough incentive for businesses to make the stuff in America.
The world wants the American but does not need it to the point of sabotaging themselves. The world will pivot and US will be left in the dust. American market means fuck all since you all are going to be poor as fuck in the near future working factory jobs and sky high inflation. What market?
you can't point to a single thing you own that was 100% made in america from the last 50 years
This is the whole point
lol nobody is gonna do that, they'll just deal with the economic consequences and rebuild their economies without america
How does stabbing myself in the gut hurt the guy in front of me? Why even respond to tariffs at all if tariffs are only ever self-harming?
Maybe it is because stuff made in American fucking sucks.
Can't wait for Trump to ban porn and fuck you retards over.
Trump is making it expensive to outsource manufacturing and businesses can be slow to build in America or they can be fast. It's their money and their time. They get to choose.
i saw that "noncheating" shit before.
They think "VAT" is cheating tariffs, and im not kidding in how stupid that is. Noverro or that stupid fuck spend like 30 minutes explaining that VAT is how they get around paying tariffs (???)
That's cute you think we care or need outside businesses to build here. Awww. It's ok you'll survive without us.
And while it was still underground as fuck, emulators did exist at that point. I played NEOGEO games on my friend's computer in like 1995. Or maybe it was just the arcade editions, I don't recall.
uhm, bringing violent brown vermin into country and faggots rights are good things!
Don't pretend that leftists are less destructive or retarded.
Muttistan and the rest of the world is fucked.
Tariffs cause the citizens of the country to deal with higher prices and the businesses in the other country to lose sales. Do you understand that?
republicans will eat to own the libs and not complain about it to not give ammo to the libs
I never realized how much of a perfect golem they are, no wonder jews focused their efforts on subverting the left (at the cost of the right) for all these years
You will buy the Xbox and you will like it.
they have to build the factory and make them first sweety
unironically retards on both sides ratcheting up tensions until everyone has collectively lost their minds, manifesting in the right as the most extreme version possible of "pulling yourself up by the bootstraps" as now "live in the woods and drink rain water to own vietnam"
Maybe it is because stuff made in American fucking sucks.
In a fair playing field, where wages are equal, rules are followed, and no cheating occurs, that wouldn't be the case.
I don't consume pornography. Won't affect me at all. I would find that incredibly based.
I like that you entertain this scenario as possible and real, but everyone must forever be reliant on Chinese manufacturing and that can never change.
Fuck over their economy and make people poor
Please come to US to sell shit to our poor people
?
The more you look at Republicans, American conservatives and the MAGA movement, the more you realize they don't actually believe in anything. They're terminal contrarians. Always do the opposite of what Democrats, liberals and left wingers do. That's the entire creed. If an aryan baby was on fire and a Democrat was trying to save him, a Republican would be throwing gasoline onto the fire.
Wait you think that the tariffs are only on china?
what is trump or you going to do to incentivize american production?
i don't see factories being build, i don't see randos deciding to start businesses in production
you have any idea how expensive it is to build any company? JUST WHAT GOES INTO IT?
it would be stupid for any company to decide to start the ground work to build a new factory and hire a bunch of workers when overnight these tariffs can just be reverted
We're just 4 steps ahead of you. You're still in the delusion that we need the world to exist.
NOOOO TRUMP-KUN, STOP WORRYING ABOUT FENTANYL PROLIFERATION!!!
PLEASE STOP TAKING MY BING BING WAHOO AWAY FROM MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
Please turn US into a turd world country like Vietnam
how do you explain the tesla debacle?
the cars are good but it's a republican voter who owns the company
Amerimutt products are good, but only in a fictional scenario where none of the conditions found in reality are applied
B-based?
You're putting pressure on Trump by putting tariffs on yourself which is a tax on yourself? Or are you putting tariffs up so foreign (American) businesses lose sales?
You don't understand anything, because you're completely incapable of thinking on a broader scale
Right wingers are rich so it doesn't affect us.
So resell it.
Wait do you think countries want to "rebuild their economies without america?"
That's because you're not looking hard enough. Ohio had like 5 fabs go up in 6 months.
cheating
is the cheating in the room with us right now?
poor people buy foreign because they have no choice
notice how only rich people go to farmers markets and eat locally sourced meats? buying american made is mostly a luxury
rich people have fancy wooden chairs made from redwood by carpenters who overcharge
poor people have plastic lawn chairs
The rate varies by country. China has some of the highest on it at 34% but others are as low as 10%. Plus things actually made in America are not subject to tariffs.
closer to 10 years, but yes you have
burgers really put a gun to their own head and pulled the trigger, unprompted.
drumpf thinks that americans will start working in sweatshops producing shit like shoes and jeans
I wish China just said fuck it and openly start IP infringement. They might be banned from US but a 100% tariff might be a pseudo ban anyway.
Fuck over their economy and make people poor
There are plenty of countries in the world with tariffs. They're not all poor. There were plenty of countries in the past with tariffs. That did not make them poor. America started off with lots of tariffs. America till grew rich and powerful.
Please come to US to sell shit to our poor people
That's what India does with Apple. Apple built an iPhone factory in India to avoid India's tariffs.
we already have factories that make stuff so we're already third world i guess? nice logic.
for me, it's grover cleveland
oh you mean before trump took office?
and how many of them source material from outside the united states?
There is no anti Israel person in any position of power in the United states making it a meaningless criticism.
Only in the US the rest of the world will play happy the Switch 2
This discussion turns into a real one-sided massacre once americans go to bed
They still think we need their ancient decrepit debt system. It's really funny. I could lose a few million dollars and not even notice.
Making high tech vehicles is the same as working in a sweatshop making clothes
Lmao.
huh i wonder where the financial backing for that came fro-
UH OHHHHHH
No, why would you when you have equally or even more powerful pc?
Plus can't pirate on playsoistation.
try to build a new factory in america because of the tariffs
all the building materials are marked up by >50% due to tariffs
kekypow
ESL.
and these military factories overcharge the american tax payer but doge would never put its eyes there
Because only America is retarded enough to tariff the entire world. Except Russia. Russia is free from tariffs.
Which is why the Great Orange Amerimutt is changing those conditions.
Yes. Anon Babble is a clone of a Japanese website.
Nobody likes loud bearded claiming to be women. Only you colossal pearl-clutching retards and twitter freaks (.00000000000001% of the population) actually vote based on it, though. And I do remember it starting back in 2010 when I was in entering college.
The more you talk the more I realize how little we need you. If you have all these resources, why don't we just take it for free for ourselves. Try and stop us.
I'm going to explain how it works again.
1. Tariffs hurt the country by increasing prices.
2. Tariffs hurt the target country by causing them to lose sales.
Do you understand now?
Ohio fabs
With that in mind, we are adjusting the timeline for our two Ohio fabs. Specifically, we now plan to complete construction of Mod 1 in 2030 and begin operations between 2030 and 2031. For Mod 2, we expect to complete construction in 2031 and begin operations in 2032.
complete construction in 2030
begin operations in 2032
newsroom.intel.com
You mean this one?
American factories and production can't just spring up overnight. So paying the tariffs and passing the cost onto the consumer will be a "temporary" solution. As will the start up costs of getting the American factories going.
Then once the population has grown accustomed to the new hiked up prices, the companies won't politely reduce them to match their now cheaper production costs.
can trump put tariffs on non-Americans using Anon Babble? i think the jannies deserve a 200% wage increase.
what is trump or you going to do to incentivize american production?
Tariffs are incentivizing them. Another step would be subsidies and government loans.
you have any idea how expensive it is to build any company? JUST WHAT GOES INTO IT?
Didn't seem to be a problem for them when they were abandoning American shores and American workers.
we get it, you hate americans and love india
this is all america is good for destruction
And others. I'm glad you're finally catching on. We simply don't need you.
You massively overestimate your importance, which isn't surprising considering Americans have famously weak egos. You're also confusing "need" with "want." Nobody wants to miss out on a market of 300 million consumers, but if you're intent on being a bunch of faggots, the world will eventually find a way around you.
Didn't seem to be a problem for them when they were abandoning American shores and American workers.
It took decades for that to happen actually.
SEAgroids crying on the American platform isn't a discussion. I'm just going to continue calling you useless and you'll still have to suck American dick at the end of the day.
Anyone notice how rightoids now champion pic in order to justify the tariffs?
just don't buy anything lol!
I think another problem is the "ONE SIDE IS ALWAYS 100% RIGHT AND THE OTHER IS ALWAYS 100% WRONG" mentality
can find
Okay which ones in Ohio? When will they be operational?
it's different tho :(
he doesn't want to understand it
We're going to silence you. Once and for all. If you want to play with us, you play by our rules or you can simply die.
explain like I'm an 8 year old
if inflation is down, and tariffs good, why is shit still expensive, and when will shit stop being expensive?
Then once the population has grown accustomed to the new hiked up prices, the companies won't politely reduce them to match their now cheaper production costs.
And how is that anyone's fault but theirs?
They'll lower their prices if and when they need to do it to compete. That's how the market works.
But reliance on Chinese manufacturing is eternal and can never be changed.
It shows they are at least looking.
no it shows that they think they are allowed to look
I don't like em because memes and forrest gump
Maybe the gas chamber wasn't a bad option.
Poor people don't buy much at all and they don't buy what China makes. America makes lots of food which is what poor people usually buy a lot of. Rent, healthcare, gas, a car. Those are the things poor people spend their money on.
But you make the assumption poor people are poor and nothing can be done about that. Why are they poor? Why has the median income of an American remained stagnant while the rich got richer?
If your answer doesn't involve the outsourcing of expensive (well-paid) American jobs to developing nations by wealth corporations through globalized trade that benefit white collar and college educated workers, then it's not a good answer.
Oh, that's easy. You bring the supply chain over.
people whine about game systems and toys going to cost a fortune
Or you could just not buy them until it's over
Friends endlessly whining about Hasbro jacking up prices
Again, you could just not buy it for awhile. This fucking thing gets a couple of months to work and after that sure I'm in the camp that this was a terrible idea. But in the mean time just hold out a few months to see where it's fucking going. I can easily play any of the endless games and systems out now instead of giving a fuck about having a Switch 2 or a PS5 Pro (lol, wouldn't even if it was cheaper)
mind broken
Bro it hasn't even been 100 days and you are this far gone? You're not going to make it.
You're dunking on Navaro because why? he's put out an objectively well researched documentary about how China have really been actually trade warring for the past 24 odd years, the moment they joined the WTO. At this point i have to accuse you of being a seething wumao.
China can rely on the rest of the world if the US wants to isolate itself.
a jewish party supports the jewish agenda
you don't say
It's funny you think we need anything until then. We simply don't. Idk how to tell you this. Nintendo is still using 5 year old technology for their next console. With that in mind, it'll be alright.
It took decades for that to happen actually.
You are exaggerating.
Hopefully they volunteer to die in Iran.
prices
ever doing anything but going up
heh
Never
Have you even said thank you once?
We own
I think it's time to remind you that you will own nothing and you WILL be happy, chudler.
and they don't buy what China makes
now who's in a fantasy world
you have no fucking idea what people
Go look up how many sanctions the US has on Russia.
And if America did not tariff the entire world, companies would just move to a new country, like Chinese companies moved into Vietnam and Mexico, to get past the tariffs.
Rich people will still buy whatever they want, it's just that now a portion of that cost will go back to the US
Anyone notice how leftists can't stop misrepresenting the positions of people they don't like?
how do you easily teleport raw resources from one country's land to another's without any cost?
it's called importing, which is affected by tariffs, dumb migger
Tariffs are fine when other countries do it to us, but we are supposed to let everyone get one over? Not gonna happen. You got 8 more years of Trump, better get comfortable.
Even setting aside tariffs, politics, and whether inflation is down, inflation being down would not lower prices. That is not what inflation is. Deflation is what would lower prices, and it is just as bad as inflation.
Which market is going to buy chink junk?
Go look up how many sanctions the US has on Russia.
USA has more sanctions on Iran and Iran still got hit with tariffs so please sit the fuck down little boy.
isn't that what you do daily
No, you don't think you need anything, we'll see what the American voters think. These are the same voters that were angry at the prices under Biden. We'll see how they like the new prices under Trump.
Good!
Now, let's take that a step further. If the tariffs hurt a target country, why did anyone have tariffs on anyone else before? Why was anyone hurting friendly nations?
We are glad to eat ze bugs to own the libs
We are glad to live in ze pod to own the libs
8? I say we make him king.
unrelated vanceposting
I'll thank you right now for conceding
There are multiple posts in here right now arguing in favor of "just stop buying stuff".
What's the trade balance between the two countries? Dumb tranny.
The world economy might be fucked but the rest of the world will still have reasonable prices. Only americans will get fucked on top of having inflated prices. I am not sure why retards like you gloat about suffering more than the rest of the world but sure.
2054
be an average eurofag, get paid in yuan
go on vacation to the Florida Province of the Democratic People's Republic of America
costs 200$ to rent a seaside apartment and 1$ for a meal
old ass ladies on the street scream, selling cowboy hats for cents
dirtbike purse thieves roam around town
street food vendors out in the open
suburbs turn into bazaars, houses turn into restaurants and shops
internet's average IQ rises by 10 points, and 50 if we account for all the indians losing their tech jobs
random coups happen occasionally but the country is mostly embroiled in gang wars
suicide nets on slave factories
Seems fucking kino lmao.
Because tariffs are designed to protect one's economy when properly utilized. It's the same reason why the US has full tariffs on Chinese EVs.
Nintendies are so mad. Who would've thought all the basedfaces were deranged lefties, I am shocked.
i'm happy to eat AMERICAN made bugs!
of course because your evil by nature so i dont expect anything else lol
they have ridiculous input costs. it really depends how you look at it.
"But anon they charged $40000 for a pack of bolts" ok, but there really are bolts that are worth hundreds of dollars, and they just got marked up like the parts on your car get marked up. toyota will gladly charge you 200 dollars for a 10 piece of plastic.
Poor people don't buy what China makes
what the fuck are you talking about
Tariffs are usually used to protect developing economies that want to preserve their competitive edge, whatever it is. The US itself did this when it wasn't the enormously dominant developed service economy it is now, in which case it's certainly irrational unless it's to protect from dumping, or you're doing it for strategic reasons, so non-economic reasons
I think it's high time to get rid of voting and make Trump king.
You already own nothing.
Brah. Where do you think all the Transistors in PCs are made? All PC components are about to explode in prices.
there is no incentive for prices to go down if people are still paying for stuff
somehow people still have a lot of money to spend on entertainment, so the real economic equilibrium is still out there
What is shifting goalpost? Faggot.
We don't need to misrepresent you, the things you say and do are ridiculous enough on their own
kill everyone in this thread instantly please
toyata actually has factories in america
Say it with me: THANK YOU PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP FOR THE TARIFFS
Did he actually said this on a speech? Sounds like a honest man very much unlike what Trump is saying. Don't get me wrong Reagan and America fucked over Japan and it's semi conductor business and proped up Worse Korea and Taiwan but at least he sounds like a measured intelligent man.
My Jordans are made in Vietnam...
Try it, I encourage you.
because memes
Still communist government. Still celebrates the victory of the NVA and Vietcong. Nothing to do with memes.
No. I don't understand why you're so confident in your knowledge about this.
It is actually mindblowing how big mobile revenue is. If you exclude those then I don't think it's as lopsided as it seems.
Nobody cares. We dont need you. Please understand that.
BASED BASED BASED, finna go on a bug diet so I can buy a tesla like all freedom-loving patriots do!
there's the truth and THE TRUTH
all you do is cope
Americans have no idea how harsh life is in the third world
And this is why thirdies are nothing but animals.
Why would I suffer? I am not crying about the price of the new nintendo console, that's you fucko. I'm just hear to laugh and spread holiday cheer, for the next 8 years of his presidency.
You'll get your wish. Trump has been saying he's getting ready to run again
I mean we are. I don't think you understand half the plan yet. Go read project 2025 and come back. Then you'll understand what's going on.
Does China make the food poor people eat? Does it make their cars? Their gas?
You don't easily transport raw resources across borders. You source resources that fit your budget. The tariffs make foreign resources more expensive. Find it at home or pay the tariff and cut costs elsewhere.
Oh, fine. Tell me what China makes that poor people like to buy a whole lot of with their limited funds.
Not buying shit you don't need is a common position and isn't the same as pushing for a society where nobody owns anything.
You are aware that he's part of the Republican party? And what the Republic part means.
Oh you will suffer when he takes away social welfare and you are left homeless.
Good thing my bro got one before this bullshit happened.
Tell me what China makes that poor people like to buy a whole lot of with their limited funds.
clothing
it's certainly irrational unless it's to protect from dumping, or you're doing it for strategic reasons
You mean what's happening right now?
do you really need to own things?
And what if you can't find it at home?
Go read project 2025. It explains it all. This way you're not blindsided.
Did he tariff North Korea? Because there may be a connection between North Korea and Russia that makes them different from Iran.
Trump is 80 now. He's not going to make a third term with the amount of burgers he eats.
I own my house though, maybe you don't understand that concept from your tiny apartment in your shithole country.
The doublethink is hilarious. I remember day one when people were coping about there being no russia tariffs announced because of sanctions except we still trade with them moreso than many countries on that list. Sad thing is people bought it and thought we had a literaly $0 exchange going on
I mean yeah if you want to be a totally independent poorer bum go right ahead.
Find it at home or pay the tariff and cut costs elsewhere.
are you starting mines?
I'm actually glad for them, yes
I feel like even the most loyal Nintendo fanboys won't buy it at that price. Sure there'll be some rich people buying it but the average consumer will realize it as a huge ripoff for decade old hardware and won't buy it and Nintendo is gonna feel the pain in their bottom line. They made a huge mistake making the console underpowered again, if it had at least 15 or so tflops I think it would have saved it.
Sooo making clothes in America is impossible?
just hold a magic ritual to conjure resources domestically so you don't have to buy them overseas
lmfao miggers are so unbelievable retarded
Sure you do.
Well, then. Tariffs sound like a good thing.
Link to where he said that?
as long as that's safe, no one really has anything to complain about
You are not human and never will be.
Cattle like you literally do not deserve human rights and human status.
Lol welcome to the Australia tax American niggers
they can't remember past two weeks ago, goldfish brain is a crippling disease
The cope is now "u-um, but do REALLY need to buy things other than food though?!"
Lmao
Can you find millions of americans willing to work in a sweatshop sewing clothes for low pay?
who needs to own things when you can own the libs!
Good. Please understand that this is all for the greater good.
best get comfortable, because it's only just started
What's happening now? What's Botswana doing exactly. It's rational to WANT diamonds to be more expensive?
lol then why advertise saying the jobs will back as a positive point then
Heritage foundation will have the reputation of a clown college soon enough. Trump is also too dumb to understand project 2025, he'll flip 2 or 3 pages and make up his own bullshit plan that is barely similar to what's written. That was exactly his strategy when coming up with tariff rates.
You need to say the whole thing
THANK YOU PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP FOR THE TARIFFS AND THANK YOU FOR MAKING AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
nta but becoming truly independent is worth it if it only means being poorer, cause the latter can be fixed, the former is the insanely difficult feat to perform
the issue is that usa will remain dependent, and they'll be far, far poorer than rest of the world because USA's both foreign and domestic power comes from the boons of globalism
i am extremely happy to see globalism (with american characteristics) being completely btfo and american culture being removed from the world, tho i am still unsure as to why usa would want to kill itself like this
dont look a gift horse in the mouth i guess
video games
lol are all your cloths american made?
Yes. The prison is full of them. Good Lord please go read project 2025. Path of redemption.
Okay, let me clarify, the general process of jobs moving overseas occurred over decades because it was a gradual response to a shifting landscape, and they had the luxury of time. It doesn't take decades to start up production in a new country like you implied.
Blanket tariffs? Nope.
Oh I am comfortable. My stocks are down but I won't see increased prices. I can enjoy all my current luxuries. You however are fucked when your social welfare gets cut and everything cost x2 more. I am beyond comfy.
we still trade with them
how made "Made in Russia" products can you find in your house, assuming you actually live in the U.S.?
Prices go down if needed to clear stock because no one is buying at the current price.
If people are buying at the current price, and then production costs happen to go down, then that's just free profit and reducing the consumer's price in equal measure would be a betrayal to the shareholders.
holy shit you are actually delusional what the fuck
They should be and that's the point.
Unironically semiconductors.
Basically a shittier japan.
MIGA is just American Maoism unironically. In the past few days I've seen people bitching about American decadence. Expect those people who shitpost about how the jews fear the indoor chicken farmer to be subverted into the victory garden script.
I haven't looked at where my clothes come from in a while, but I remember seeing a lot of "Vietnam, Cambodia, Bangladesh, Indonesia" than "China".
Well, technically, no.
If it's a necessity, like rare earth metals, you import it or you invade Greenland.
That's part of the idea. It's part of deal Trump floated with Ukraine and one reason why he's so interested in Greenland.
Yea, if you have enough resources at home, you can source it yourself.
No, you can observe it in action. Leftists strawmen and make bullshit up all the time, they're incapable of engaging with reality because their ideology promotes delusion. Rightoids generally just look at what leftists are actually doing or saying. Which is, 99% of the time, batshit crazy.
im still lmaoing that trump raping the economy with tariffs is hurting their ability to buy shit to continue the war, russian oil is dropping so hard that they're not going to be able to buy as much arms from north korea and china
like he was kissing russia's ass so hard and now he has fucked them over more than any democrat president could have, this is worth paying $700 for a switch 2 in entertainment value alone lmao
you can already buy american made clothing that costs basically the same as you find anywhere else. it doesn't cost a gorillian dollars of labor to make a tshirt. The only reason they're made with slaves overseas is because they're allowed to.
The number of videos I've seen of Trump supporters claiming the Chinese government pays these tariffs proves that everyone getting to vote it retarded.
But I've also seen people applying to tariff to the MSRP rather than in import cost, so I'm basically convinced that everyone is fucking stupid and Jesus is late coming for the Rapture.
Doesn't sound like it's ideal for apparel companies to be reliant on sweatshops with low pay. Just saying.
prices are coming down though, it's amazing how much money you save when your country isn't propping up the whole world
nothing was stopping you from buying things american made, you were just cheap
when a market fails, its the consumers responsible for it
No, it took decades because building industry takes decades. Again I have no idea why you're so confident that you know what you're talking about.
The only delusional retards here are you people thinking that there's no plan and we're too poor or stupid to figure it out without China. Fuck off. We don't need you. We never did.
prices are coming down though
Hahahahahahahahaha
Oh, yes. They protect all US industry.
go read our hysterical schizobabble
kek
Are you retarded? Yes America still trades in Russia with raw resources which contributes to the surplus/deficit
Did you think the only thing people traded were variations of plastic chink shit lol.
you can already buy american made clothing that costs basically the same as you find anywhere else
Name 5
you don't NEED to eat steak, bugs are a source of protein too you fucking leftist!
problem europoor?
Tariffs are an tax on importers of products. So if you buy a thing from China, you now pay an extra tax that the US government collect. That tax is then given back to the buyer of that product if you are a builder using components from China for example.
If you buy on Temu for example, it will also get more expensive.
Inflation was a boogeyman word that not a lot of people understand. Stuff get more expensive, but the US ,especially, was living in an age of extreme wealth and got pissy about paying barely nothing for huge amount of food and cheap housing compared to the rest of the world. So much that they elected the oldest president in history, a dude who had no experience in politics, was a TV reality star, and bankrupted dozens of companies. And learned on his first term that if he want to do what he wants, he need literal cultists and sycophants under him because otherwise, the laws are against him. Trump method of governing is waving a gun in a room raving about random things and changing his mind every 5 min, making the US dollars not stable anymore.
So basically, unless impeached, the US prices will literally double, triple or quadruple.
Going from the best economy, to the worst in a couple of months.
so you're not actually doing anything
you aren't starting any businesses, you aren't buying anything american made, you're just le agent of chaos
cool but i recommend that you take your meds
son I know you are retarded, but have the chart upside down again
The more I think about it the more sense it makes that the tariff rates are a genuine AI generated strategy because "Trade deficit? Deficit is a bad word! We need to get rid of deficit!" is exactly the sort of logic you get from it. These are some wild times.
We'll just make the felons sitting in prison do the menial labor. Why should innocent 3rd world children be forced to be slaves when we have millions of violent criminals sitting on the American tax dollar for free?
Post the dollar amount annually.
raw resources
So we get their raw resources while we pile sanctions on them? They sound pretty cucked to me.
yeah you really disproved my point there by dehumanizing me
is this how you go about things irl? dehumanize people who prove you wrong?
why dont you have job?
Reminder that leftists are pro sweatshop now not because they're hypocrites but because it was never about being anti-capitalist and pro workers rights but instead a bunch of mystery meat brownoids who eternally seethe at white people in the same way Anon Babble does about the jews.
You didn't see the new rightoid propaganda? Zero skill low wage manual labor is now masculine and attractive to women, lmao.
i'm not doing your shopping for you gayboy
the industries america does have aren't of great quality
look at pencils, america has no pencils good as german or japanese pencils
we still have our own factories for that, so why aren't they making good products?
I'm just a poster in this thread responding to other posts. I have no plans in starting any business, but I don't mind buying American made things assuming it's what I want.
No thank you, I don't do drugs. I'm perfectly fine thank you very much. You should do some of that fentanyl you keep trying to put into Americans.
I'll take your concession
YEAH THE COMPANIES WILL ALL MOVE THEIR PRODUCTION BACK TO AMERICA AND BUILD NEW FACTORIES USING RAW MATERIALS AND PARTS THAT HAVE A FUCKING 40% SURCHARGE INSTEAD OF SITTING BACK FOR FOUR YEARS AND WAITING FOR THE INEVITABLE DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT TO DROP EVERY SINGLE ONE BACK TO ZERO, BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST CHOMPING AT THE BIT TO PAY FACTORY WORKERS FIRST WORLD WAGES AND PAY THE ABSURD COST OF THEIR HEALTH INSURANCE TOO!!!! WE'LL HAVE BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF JOBS JUST LIKE IN THE 50S AND EVERYONE WILL HAVE A WIFE AND THREE KIDS AND A HOUSE WITH A YARD AND FOUR CARS AND WORK 6 HOURS A WEEK AND 4 WEEKS GUARANTEED VACATION!!
what does being independent ACTUALLY GET YOU
America has literally spent the past 100 years bending the world into its personal sweatshop to make golf clubs and polo shirts for 1/10th the price of making it here
what material benefit does this actually have for the average person
We're arguing quality now? I thought we're okay with being reliant on sweatshops with low pay?
Because they'll spit and piss in your clothes just to spite you, and probably make far inferior quality goods than children could produce.
yeah cause they'll deliver on quality
You know how Old Man Jenkins down the street makes toys for $5 so he can afford food? Well, there's Mr. Chiang who lives in China, a place super far away who copies and makes the same toys.
Now, Mr. Chiang sells his toys for $1, because for Mr. Chiang, $1 is a lot of money. Meanwhile Mr. Jenkins can't afford to lower his prices because he needs it to live. At the same time, if Mr. Jenkins tries to sell to China, there's an evil curse called Tar Riff. That makes it so that Mr. Jenkins has to pay China $5 before he can sell to the people there. So Mr. Jenkins is screwed.
Now, one day, Mr. Trump, Hero Of The Imperium casted a counter spll to Tar Riff, called Re Cip Ro Cal Tar Riff.
This spell forces Mr. Chiang to pay $5 as well before he can sell here to us. Which means Mr. Chiang now has to sell his toys at $6 to make his $1 so he can't undercut Mr. Jenkins anymore.
Now instead of your options being $1 or $5 between Mr. Chiang and Mr. Jenkins' toys. It's $6 and $5 respectively, resulting into why things more expensive. But at the same time, now Mr. Jenkins can live doing what he loves.
Since Mr. Jenkins can now make a profit, he can work to improve his situation, hire people, make more toys. Eventually, he will be able to afford putting his prices down to $1 again.
That won't happen for a while, but. Mr. Trump, Hero of the Imperium, has guaranteed that people can keep their jobs and will generate new jobs for people like you when you have to work for a living. If he didn't do it, eventually Mr. Jenkins will be forced to An Hero.
Because the alternative is American sweatshops retard.
that necklace
oy vey
What's happening now?
Strategic tariffs
What's Botswana doing exactly. It's rational to WANT diamonds to be more expensive?
oh no, my diamonds!
dude i'm just some guy! don't look at me!
then stop playing defense for people who don't care about you
I'm perfectly fine with sweatshops and people ruining their countries environments to mine rare minerals as long as it isn't here in America
The ones who do will get punished harder and wont get paid.
ustr.gov
I mean if Fiji is worth putting on then lol
THANK YOU FOR MAKING AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
It hasn't happened yet, we'll see
oh you're confused? i guess you don't think much about any of the implications these tariffs have
SeeYour argument is falling apart. I'd rather criminals be slaves than innocent children.
I wonder how many of these threads are posted daily. You'd think the redditors would have moved on to the next step of grieving, but I guess they are just stunted.
lol you're calling me a flip flopper? you're acting you care about the lives of people now
They better put out quality or they'll face daily beatings. I don't think you fully grasp what's going to happen yet.
Enjoy seeing the cost of everything go up in the next few months I guess.
worship trump or else you're a redditor!
kill yourself
Strategic tariffs
Okay, what is the strategy then? What strategic gains are there in tariffing Vietnam or Botswana?
Remember that Trump himself touts the economic, not strategic, point of these tariffs.
Building a factory and hiring workers doesn't take decades.
Again I have no idea why you're so confident that you know what you're talking about.
I could say the same of you.
who needs to own anything when you can own the libs!
It will never stop. We will enjoy our reasonably priced games and consoles while you seethe about the price. I can't wait.
Yes indeed we buy their resources and run a deficit with them because of that (and Russia not really selling crap like iphones or anything). Well under the current logic, they're not the ones who are cucked - we are since we're running a deficit
Care? Lol no. I don't care. It's funny watching you fall apart without The United States after years of claiming how much you hate us.
Schizophrenic Delusions: The thread
I haven't laughed this hard at a thread in a while
That would be racism and not allowed. Or did you think the trump administration was a nazi paradise instead of another flavor of jew?
I don't have to play defense for them, just like you don't have to attack them. You can say what you want to say and I can say what I want to say. And we can have a conversation. One where we both make sense. But you prefer to be a mini-Trump and go around insulting people and their motives.
as opposed to what was happening for the past few years?
Tell me how you think it would take to rebuild america's industry.
these pencils are not made 100% in america idiot
and still somehow sell at much more of a premium than foreign brands of better quality
deranged, kek
Oh I can tell this has already been circulating around reddit. So is Trump anti-Israel now or what, since he put them at 17%, implicating them as part of the worst offender category because they are above the standard 10%?
We're not trannies anon. Take your own advice. You're the ones not happy that we won't let you rape children in bathrooms.
You thought the past few years was bad? 100% tariff on China means almost all your consumer electronics include your shitty ass xiaomi you used to shitpost with will x2 their price overnight.
Everything Americans consume is not imported.
Sorry, I didn't know it had to be 100% made in America. I figured being made in America with graphic from Japan would be good enough.
Sorry but no amount of screaming about trannies will make me worship trump.
And then, of course, Mr. Jenkins toys go up to $5.50. It's still cheaper than Chang's, right? His prices will never go down because he has a team of evil spirits called the Board of Directors talking in his head all the time. If the prices ever go down and Mr. Jenkins makes less money in one quarter than he did in the previous quarter, the Board of Directors will kill him and replace him with a new Mr. Jenkins.
Meanwhile, you are making approximately seven dollars an hour. While you used to be able to buy 7 toys after working for an hour, now you can only buy one. It's okay though, because if you work hard and accrue enough debt you might be allowed to someday make enough money to buy two, or even three toys an hour again!
Good. Less phone posters.
I think they're afraid to be perfectly honest. We can easily make everything again. They don't want to lose power. It's time. Trust the plan. This will work. People will have jobs again.
These things are such a fucking meme. I just remember them being hyped up about 5 years ago on Anon Babble and in art circles, after having been defunct for decades. I don't even think it's the original manufacturer anymore, it's just the name, the image. You don't need to pay $10 or whatever the fuck for any pencil. I've tried the good ones, and they're good enough.
4 more years of seethe
People already have jobs.
who needs to own things when you can own the libs!
But you are a phone poster
I don't care what you do mr Chang.
We can easily make everything again
are you starting factories?
Ice cream? God I love ice cream!
Everything Americans consume is not imported.
What?
Us not having raw resources to produce stuff should arguably hurt us badly but Russia is apparently in a spot where they'll still sell us the stuff despite all our sanctions against them. Sounds like we have the upper hand.
Even the libs will be happier with the new system. They don't realize it yet. They'll come kicking and screaming. But they'll come around eventually.
we don't even use american graphite for our "premium" pencils
You really haven't learned a thing in the last decade.
At least you gays still have the moral highground though, right?
Wait why am I the one seething if the price of the new nintendo doesn't bother me? I understand your country is poor and you are not very bright, but come on!
You really think you have a shot in 2028, lmao! Better get used to the cuck chair.
You make it sound like the Board of Directors would be happy being forced to hire and employ American workers instead of outsourcing the work to third-world nations where they can make more money.
As long as you agree the less of us there are, the better. Something we can be happy about in this coming era of expensive consumer electronics. Fewer poor people on the internet!
Tariffs only apply to imported goods.
it can't be strategic and economic at the same time
If's multifaceted and I don't feel like getting into a long explanation with you, anon. My point isn't even that they're definitely going to be effective, it's that you're a delusional retard for thinking there's no beneficial goal in mind.
We have the raw resources here in America. That's just it. We can produce everything we need right here in America with American soil.
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But everything is made 100% in China.
There will be less USA phoneposters.
Let's just be clear. Anything that reduces the amount of Americans on Anon Babble is a win in my books.
They really are too stupid for their own good. Trouble is the half of the country that is stupid tends to listen to them, like the useful idiots they are.
your shitty ass xiaomi
sounds like projection to me, don't think I'd ever consider one of those
Europe still buys Russian energy, even while being invaded them.
600 replies of pure butthurt, schizobabble, and no video games
never change, Anon Babble
Pretending to be rich on Anon Babble
Social welfare going to be cut soon.
yes anon clearly we are lacking for jobs
then why put the tariffs on countries no china
Americans don't buy shitmi.
Don't worry. There are zero American made phones. And there won't be in the near future either.
Yes. Cry about it all you want.
I voted for trump to own the libs but now my food, car, consumer electronics, clothing, shoes, home goods, furniture, soap, household cleaning products, pet food, medicine, spices, coffee, tea, tools, batteries, computer parts, televisions, tablets, smartphones, and game consoles all cost double what they did last year but it's okay because I never really wanted to buy anything anyway!
To completely rebuild it? Sure, a decade or more.
To start seeing a revival and feeling the benefits? Couple of years, maybe.
The point of the tarriffs are to prepare for the war economy in which everything will have to be made in the United States to avoid industrial sabotage.
There'll be less posters in general. Tariffs are going up all around the world in response to Trump's tariffs. Cost efficient supply chains are breaking down in the face of geopolitical changes. It'll be all phone posters.
How did you get that from anything I said? Is reading comprehension not taught in your third world country?
Those won't be permanent. I hope tariffs on China will remain permanent and escalate.
making foreign imports more expensive won't make american products cheaper
Americans love Iphone right? Those are made in Vietnam who has a 40% tariff now. Don't worry, Americans soon won't be buying shit.
And we'll create even more. It's going to be glorious.
if tariffs are removed it just incentivizes companies to manufacture there
Trump wants trade deficits to be filled as in they have to buy more from us
This will incentivize companies to move to the US because now there is a buying "quota" that all the existing companies are going to benefit off of
Trump is rejecting the offers not just because of his main plan but because they gave up so easily
I was expecting at least a month before them calling
Which reinforces my point. Despite us sanctioning Russia they'll still sell us their raw materials.
Tariffs go up in response to USA stuff, while the rest of the world enjoys free trade. Who the fuck even buys US made stuff.
It's cute that you think we don't already have all that stuff. We'll just produce it here in America instead. It'll be better.
I can hear the high-pitch, estrogen-filled, whiny SEA accent coming through from this post.
Don't call other countries third world when your retarded ass wants to import sweatshops into America.
I actually would be happy for most goods to go up in price if they'd actually be of decent fucking quality again
(and not full of bloatware and ads, when it comes to electronic goods)
no one lol cant people name the stuff us makes that aren't war machines
If we can buy other people's raw materials while hoarding our own I'd call that a double win for us
Okay fatass
Hahahahahaha good lord you're funny. Why do you want slaves? You sound heartless.
yeah anon American goods are always of superior quality, totally, definitely
f the prices ever go down and Mr. Jenkins makes less money in one quarter than he did in the previous quarter, the Board of Directors will kill him and replace him with a new Mr. Jenkins.
The voices are there with or without the Tariffs.
The cheap chinese goods just made it so the voices can make a fuckton more money as oppose to a ton of money. The consumer is made to believe they're getting things for cheap but their livelihoods are slowly dying like a cancer - see national debt
the world buys us designed things like crazy, but us made? lmao, basically just like food and some clothing
RICE NOODLE
CHONG CHONG CHING
TOFU CHING CHONG
You want sweatshops in US, seems like you want slaves.
Americans love Iphone right? Those are made in Vietnam who has a 40% tariff now.
based
That's their fault for "going green" and handicapping themselves. And they wonder why Russia feels like they can just invade nearby countries and take them over.
They will just double down on ads and bloatware if there isn't any competition
Then the world will continue to enjoy free trade shit.
He's forcing them all to come to the table. Lefties don't understand this tactic at all. I mean the dude has a book and a tv show where he basically lays out how he operates and they are acting like the monkeys in 2001: A Space Odyssey. He's been saying the same message for the last 40 years, it's not a mystery. He plans to force them to the table and get new trade deals and commitments and then he will ease up on the tariffs.
Do Americans not understand that ending globalisation goes both ways? and that the cost of Bart Simpson tshirt sweatshops and toaster factories is going to be hemorrhaging good jobs in the high value and strategic industries like software, weapons and entertainment that they had an effective monopoly on for decades
And of those new jobs how many of them are gonna have wages that allows the workers to live comfortably and have them be able to afford the increased price of everything?
Was that your monthly workout Mr Fatass?
see a number posted after you thought Russia had zero trade with America because he didn't immediately see something Russian in his house
REDDIT REDDIT REDDIT
Glad I could educate you that America indeed buys things from Russia.
Israel is a meme smoke and mirrors until aid is cut significantly except we know from history you have a billion asterisks ***exceptions they could do to save face.
Why are you okay with sweatshops, anon?
Fatass americunt burger retard blah blah blah. You surely need America. Cry harder. We're going to make "made in America" mean something again.
Correct. But they will incentivize companies to build their factories in America and hire Americans that they'll have to pay good wages for.
free trade
Enjoy all those cheap Chinese goods.
I'm agreeing with you retard
Why are you okay with American sweatshops, anon?
The admin says the goal is economic, and if you can squint you can see some goals with respect to tariffing China (which even Biden was pursuing with his own tariffs), but you're the one saying there's some grabd strategic goal that apparently involves Botswana. Why can't you just give a sentence that explains the strategy?
Good, hopefully the phoneposters here will be decimated while I carry my basic flip phone for actual phone use
I never said zero. It might as well be zero considering how insignificant it is. So why does Trump hate Israel now anyway?
Not always, but often
Enjoy all those cheap Chinese goods.
As opposed to what? Expensive shit US goods?
You're the one bringing it up. I told you we'll use violent criminals to make things. If they don't comply, they don't eat food. If you don't work you don't eat.
We're going to make "made in America" mean something again.
Means expensive and shit due to tariffs. Lmao.
maybe we should tariff ads and bloatware :)
I told you we'll use violent criminals to make things. If they don't comply, they don't eat food. If you don't work you don't eat.
Sounds like slaves to me. I hope they round you up for it.
vietnam literally came to him offering 0% tarrifs and he rejected it because "muh deficit"
the man is a genuine retard
if you don't call that "coming to the table", what is, in your clearly enlightened opinion?
Now
Imagine a country so vile they get banned from every nation throughout history.
Yea, all those cheap Chinese goods. So low no one else will be able to compete with them.
Replied to the wrong post
I don't want sweatshops and I'm happy to pay more for clothes if that means American workers are paid a decent wage and sweatshops are removed from the process
Why? I'm not violent. You know who is though? Liberals bitching and burning teslas. Please keep getting arrested.
What is the alternative? US wants to be faggots.
Tariffs only apply to imported goods.
And Americans don't consume imported goods?
Implying I live in the third world country of USA
Lmao
There are far more insignificant countries that apparently warranted mention on his liberation day list if we're talking about trade imbalances. Dunno, maybe the memes about pulling out the chairs for Netanyahu got to him
"Made in the USA"
My grandpa loved reading that shit off just random objects. I never really understood it until recently. Rest in peace nonno.
That doesn't answer the question. Why will there be a 17% tariff on Israel? I thought Trump loves Israel? Or does this hidden motivation thing only apply to Russia?
Because you're delusional, here in bad faith, and I don't want to waste the effort
if you don't call that "coming to the table", what is, in your clearly enlightened opinion?
Offering to balance Vietnam's trade deficit with the US. All of it. And for every year from now on.
Suck American cock, of course. But you're too proud for that. So, you'll just be raped by Chinese cock instead.
Well, when prices of imported goods rise, they'll find alternatives. Possibly domestically made goods that are better priced. But it depends on the good and how exposed it is or is not to the tariffs.
Cool. You don't need us anymore. You never did right? We're fat stupid sweaty losers. Cool cool cool. We're just going to go over here and do what we do. If you want to do business on American soil, pay the tariff. If not, get banned. I simply don't care.
I don't think any of these idiots learned a thing from covid. Having China be the sole country manufacturing ppe and pharmaceuticals was about the dumbest fucking thing ever. 4 years later and nothing has changed. Why are Europeans so dumb?
if that means American workers are paid a decent wage
How are you gonna make sure that happens?
You can just say I don't know and that you're reddit.
Suck American cock, of course. But you're too proud for that
Too proud? You must be fucking deranged to think pride has anything to do with Trump acting like a deranged faggot.
He's done the "Ask for more than you want to get what you want" thing several times this year already and nobody seems to be catching on
I guess its better that way
It makes them harder to sell which means less money for foreign countries
Remember the US is the 2nd biggest exporter but several countries have shitty ratios like 3 to 1 or 5 to 1 where they sell us way more than we sell them.
When this is through we will be #1 world exporter since we only need less than $500billion more in exports to pass china
They'd be higher quality if made in America and last way longer
meant for
america builds factories, dummy companies, and whatever the hell all over the world to dodge tariffs and taxes
THE WORLD IS STEALING FROM US THEY MUST PAY BACK
Not even hell wants this evil lying snake
Gooks make like $5 a day. wtf are they going to buy from America. Pyrex bowls and made in america t-shirts?
I simply don't care.
Don't worry. You will.
I don't have to answer to you bugman.
muh deficit
it's like speaking with a trained parrot
Now apply that to every single thing you use in your daily live. Welcome to the future of America.
Offering to balance Vietnam's trade deficit with the US. All of it. And for every year from now on.
What are you going to do, sell every Vietnamese poorfag a plane or something?
America already has a minimum wage. I wouldn't exactly call it decent but it's still better than the sweatshops.
They'd be higher quality if made in America and last way longer
Name 1.
china has a lower class, middle class, upper class, and elite class just like america, and there's fuckton of them that can afford american shit
Going to be hard to get a job in a recession
We will make our own coffee and mine our own American cobalt and diamonds.
You realize that I'm talking about American businesses, right?
No, I won't. Lol. I never did. Do you realize that most Americans are literal millionaires? We will foot the bill to build in America once again. We will take care of our poor. It'll be ok for us.
Well, if you don't wanna submit to Orange Hitler, you can submit to the chinks.
They can buy anything. They can buy nothing. The Vietnamese government can issue an AMERICA tax and just write a check that covers the trade deficit every year.
Yea, the deficit. I dunno. That seems to be the issue, right?
Now apply that to every single thing you use in your daily live. Welcome to the future of America.
I am fine with this.
Start negotiations then. This is why China will never be able to fill in the missing American market, if it comes to that. There is no global economy without the American market. Countries have as much interest to protect their own industries against China as they do against the US. Like it's hilarious that retards here think Japan is gung-ho about going full free trade with China and destroying its own auto industry.
But you're too proud for that.
American creates a self made recession
While threatening to annex Greenland
All the while Vance and Rubio are out there insulting EU countries
Why won't EU countries want to work with the US?! Are they too proud?
The grand strategy of tariffying Botswana must be genius since it's so ineffable apparently
Coffee grows in the ground and we can grow diamonds in factories.
What blows my mind is the people crying about this the most are the same ones that think importing every black and brown person will make them rich somehow. Lefties here are exactly the same, they seem to think these third worlders are magical and shit gold. The reality is you cannot have a welfare state and unchecked immigration, those two things cannot coexist. I guess we all just need to start believing in manifesting wealth, because that is about all the left has to offer. Make believe.
Negotiation only works when both parties are reasonable and agreeable. China has threaten to annex any EU territories but you think the EU is too "proud"
no one has ever fucking thought the trade deficit was an issue until now, Trump looked for literally any metric that was "scary low number" to use as an excuse for tarrifs
can you please explain, in your own words, how a trade deficit is an issue?
Yea, you're too proud. Now, suck your abusive American husband's cock or take it in the ass from the Chinese bull next door.
We don't need the eu either. Watching you squirm is really really funny.
Do you realize that most Americans are literal millionaires?
Not those on Anon Babble.
I thought leftists were on the side of the workers? I thought they cared about the lower class? Why are they okay with American jobs being destroyed so companies can pay extremely low wages (and sometimes employ slave labor) overseas? Why are they so against attempts to reverse this?
I'll be convinced when aid is cut instead of him speedrunning a Netanyahu meeting but is the current argument about if Trump is an israeli agent or not instead of saying if trade imbalances exist? You can deflect with reddit all you want after being proven wrong with your ridiculous "I no see 'made in russia' label so it no exist" claim.
At least the China bull is wines and dines you. USA can get fucked.
We don't need the eu either.
Then what? You gonna play your American made games? Lmao.
I mean that's just a fact. Nobody has ever seen a "made in Russia" label on consumer products.
I have $15,765,548 sitting in my checking account. I'll be ok.
Sure you do.
Are you telling me countries are okay with trade deficits? Even the ancient Roman Empire didn't like them.
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That's good! They'll take good care of you. Ma'a As-Salamah, Inshallah.
Its more like $2-3 USD and hour for stuff like making iPhones
Literally everything made by the US back during the industrial era
They had to purposely make lightbulbs have a shelf life because they all lasted forever and there are plenty today that are still in use
Its like how Toyota cars were slightly more durable and now you see them everywhere as the most reliable car
They've been pretty much screwing us over trade wise for like 60 years and after WW2 that is bullshit
Its kind of going to be the US either way since they have food issues with farmers leaving farms for better paying jobs and the US being a gigantic exporter of food for the Chinese
Food gets more expensive for them meaning restaurants shut down and delivery drivers, servers, dishwashers, chefs, etc all lose their jobs.
Don't forget china is already in a recession
You're the one obsessed with Botswana. My point the entire time has been that the tariffs are intended to make things better for America economically and strategically, so therefore they're fine, right?
It's funny that you think we need games at all. But yes Microsoft makes games. We will be making this stuff in America. We have the raw materials. We'll figure it out.
We'll figure it out.
Sure you will. Lmao.
The only country America needs is Israel.
Good. Then they will no longer screw over the US and go work with China.
I mean yeah but in my original post was that regardless of small visible consumer products in households, we still run a trade deficit with them (because chinkcrap isn't the only dimension in global trade) that is larger than many countries outright mentioned on his chart.
I do and I had more but I bought a bunch of stock in Ohio manufacturing.
Take your meds kid
Its kind of going to be the US either way since they have food issues with farmers leaving farms for better paying jobs and the US being a gigantic exporter of food for the Chinese
China's just going to Brazil for food and other raw materials. That's not the big issue. It's that China needs market to sell their manufactured goods and America is by far the biggest consumer in the world.
Do those countries have a bajillion sanctions on them and a continuously shrinking trade ledger year on year?
When did I ever say something is, in fact, good only if it's intended to be good?
We don't need Israel. They certainly need us though. And that need is very thin.
so, you can't actually explain what they are? concession accepted
I don't do drugs mr Chang. And we don't need Chinese garbage. Go sell to the EU.
C'mon. The video is so clear. It's a transfer of wealth from one country to another. Sheesh.
American jobs being destroyed
Did not happen. When the fridge factories went to Czechia and China they started using Windows, watching Hollywood movies and buying Boeings, and America got to have by degrees of magnitude the most 'good jobs' in the world.
Clearly you do since you are delusional
we still run a trade deficit with them
What else besides raw materials? How much per year?
Probably not, but I'm unsure of what argument you're trying to make. Under the administration's own logic they should be worth tariffing as well if less significant actors are worth calling out on that same chart. Ofc it's likely just because they want to deal with the Ukraine war somehow and see if they can do a Sino Soviet Split rerun
You are wrong on that pal. America needs Israel. Without Israel America will not survive.
and America got to have by degrees of magnitude the most 'good jobs' in the world.
Perhaps, but those jobs went to the top half of America. The bottom half, who would've worked in the fridge factories, go Walmart jobs as a replacement.
Listen mr Chang it's been fun talking with you. I'm going to bed. I have meetings in the morning. We're going to build here in America whether you like it or not. I don't know what to tell you. It's been fun but this relationship is over. You're like a clingy girlfriend who just can't seem to accept that we're breaking up. I'm sure you'll find someone new. Australia perhaps?
They still celebrate kicking the US and South Vietnamese out of the country.
Vietnam is a hard ally of the United States
A "Comprehensive Strategic Partnership", which is the highest tier in Vietnam’s diplomatic hierarchy
Vietnam's government and citizens have a surprisingly very positive opinion on the USA
Very useful allies to have, since they are bordered with our rival China
Throw all that out the window because "lol, why not XD"
american jobs being moved overseas isn't american jobs being destroyed
what the fuck are you talking about
Are you suggesting that everyone who was put out of work was magically funneled into a "better" job?
Turdworlders can stop LARPing now. There is no global economy without the United States. Consumer behavior across the world isn't going to change to accommodate enriching or buoying China's failing economy by significantly increasing their buying of cheap Chinese junk. They were already freely buying cheap Chinese junk before this. They aren't going to buy more just because. The biggest buyers market is the US. Everyone else makes shit. End of story.
*snort* good one.
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I was under the impression half of the vietnamese factories were just chinese backdoors which is why I was confused why people were cheering for vietnam trying to sweeten up a lower tariff deal (if it doesn't involve rooting out chinese origin factories). China does the same exact shit with Mexico
780 posts ITT
Absolutely based
Lmao. Sure you Mr Fatass NEET
The price of the PS5 was pretty fair, eh?
The situation in the USA starts to sound similar to the one in South America.
We don't need Vietnam.
Throw all that out the window because "lol, why not XD"
Cause the Chinese were using Vietnam as a hub for their companies to avoid US tariffs and the Vietnamese were playing the same game as the Chinese by exporting their way to wealth with a big trade surplus.
But don't worry. The Vietnamese would rather be less rich than to be China's puppet. Same with South Korea and Japan. Which is why all three are not retaliating to Trump's tariffs.
His legacy could have been being praised as humanity's greatest hero
He was always a fucking retard, and the fact it took you this long to realize this is kinda embarrassing.
we transfer wealth because we don't waste time making fucking bolts of cloth and mugs on a first world wage you fucking retard
no one is going to benefit from paying $12 for a plate
I told you Snoyboys what was going to happen, but you do continued shitposting and didn't listen.
Brazil won't be able to keep up with food needs in the long run because of the farmer issue
We may just have another "Great Leap Forward" situation where 10s of millions die from starvation
Also Europe is poorer than the US in terms of how much each person can spend on china slop so that is a big hit to them as well
The system we've all created intertwines us in a way that makes it hard to separate and the only viable solution is us buying more from each other
Otherwise the US will be the last one standing with potentially fatal injuries
Trump shit on the teachers desk now he has to go for broke and piss on her blouse instead of apologizing
This is too risky for foreigners and since BRICS is a laughable failure (even called this by the person who FOUNDED IT) China and Russia are not prepared especially with the US starting up drilling like dinosaur bones made of gold have been found
When Israel says jump, America says how high.
trumps admin has already fired back at the vietnam PM saying to quit being an unfair trader which relates to exactly what youre talking about
It's still a wealth transfer. When the deficit is $100 Billion a year, $100 Billion a year leaves your economy to the other country. They get richer and you get poorer (debt).
How do you think China became so wealthy and built its cities and has a massive navy now? By making all the shit first worlders paid to consume.
I think I got you confused with another poster. At any rate there's obviously strategic intent, he wants to bring countries to the negotiating table so favorable deals can be worked out. Some tariffs will be axed through negotiation, some will remain for the purposes of creating incentives to create American jobs.
wtf can South Korea or Japan do? This isn't even a matter of choosing between being rich or chinese influence. They literally have US army bases parked on them. They can get Plaza'd at any time
And yet 17% tariffs now exist.
SEAgroids can only impotently kick and scream on the American platform
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Anon Babble hasn't been American for years now anon.
The economy is when you can buy things
Hope you weren't planning on doing that any time soon
Look at this meme from the future I found.
Strange concern to have if that's the case.
The economy is when you can buy things
Hope you weren't planning on doing that any time soon
all this hysterical fearmongering is funny
Remants of Moot's era
if vietnam likes us so much maybe they should consider becoming the 52nd state or something
Israel is barely hanging on by a thread. If the middle east wanted to use their nukes to destroy Israel, there's only the United States standing in the way. If we wanted, we could tell hamas that they can have your shitty faggot nation and there's nothing you can do in the wake of it. Sit down and shut the fuck up Moishe. America is back in charge. Kiss the fucking ring.
Isn't that literally just the cheese pizza law just in case some random fucking African nation with no laws starts posting that shit
Yeah, I'm sure the Japanese are super excited to make it easier for Byd to rape Toyota or whatever.
Gunnar Hegseth
Boone Hegseth
fucking REX Hegseth
lmao poor kids must've been bullied so hard
When I originally used the term 'strategic,' I used it in contradistinction with any non-economic goal, and made sure to make that clear in the sentence. Usually in political or international relations talk, 'strategy' goes beyond simply economic goals, and includes far broader aims having to do with security. So, you may sacrifice some rational economic gain in exchange for some longterm strategic aim, like Russia choosing to invade Ukraine, despite the economic harms
In this case, there's no clear or rational strategic goal in tarrifing Botswana.
What are you talking about, those are great names
Japan made an agreement with China AND Korea like a couple days ago.
They're working together in some way.
why do they make them round? aren't all the partially incomplete ones wasted?
You should read beyond the headlines.
The idea is to even the playing field for certain industries that are struggling. his full-retard strategy of tariffing EVERY SINGLE INDUSTRY is the dumbest application of trade and sales taxes ever implemented.
Tariffs only work as a targeted enforcement policy against very specific examples of market abuse. A tariff would have been very helpful in the tech support war back in the day, for instance. Or for the energy sector when OPEC was holding our entire oil manufacturing process by the balls. It's not useful to tax all trade deficits anywhere, ever. It's just another sales tax at that point.
And you think that by cheating like a jew you'll win how? We don't need you by the way.
Trump wants trade deficits to be filled as in they have to buy more from us
Which is a fucking stupid thing to think will happen if he does this all at once instead of dividing and conquering the industries affected. By doing it all at once it guarentees the pushback will invalidate it.
It'll work because we don't need imported goods. And that's the point. I'm tired. Good night.
Kek that would esssentially will be spitting on the face of all the gommunists that brag about defeating the US and South Viets.
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Offering to balance Vietnam's trade deficit with the US. All of it
That's literally asking them to just give you money.
That's also a reason Israel wants America to have Gaza - any attack that misses and hits american territory by iran or the houthis would be escalated to full blown war instantly.
No more shitter missiles, no more threats, Israel would be perpetually secure.
Me in the USA sweatshops, making tshirts for $4 an hour, so I can save and and afford to buy a PS6
It costs $2000 and still has no games
Uh, duh.
It's really funny that you think that we need Chinese goods from temu. I don't understand why you're under this delusion. Go ahead push back. I really really want you to. Please make Chinese goods really expensive. I really really want this to happen. That's what you're simply not understanding. This is what I voted for.
I mean, you took a job offering you $4 an hour. You're too stupid to work anywhere else.
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anon.....
It is risky but the point is that he needed to do it to show how much the US is needed because if they go to China they will get fucked over big time just like with every other country that has done business with them
A shitty deal with the US is always better than a "good" deal with chy-na
Offering to balance Vietnam's trade deficit with the US
When a country that has a bunch of poor rice farmers and sweatshop slaves
They won't buy millions of our 40 ton pickup trucks in exchange for their textiles
WTF THEY'RE SCAMMING USSSSSSSSS
It's a country with a GDP of $400 billion. Just write a check.
You don't seem to understand that economy and strategy are heavily entwined. Or do you think becoming less dependent on the goods of other countries isn't a strategic concern?
In this case, there's no clear or rational strategic goal in tarrifing Botswana.
There is if he's attempting to negotiate more favorable trade conditions going forward,
Trump seems mid on Gaza. It's really not that strategic. We should just hand it to the middle east. Let them have it and they can also have Israel. It really doesn't matter to the United States if Israel disappears. Y'all jews are disgusting. We should have let Germany kill every last one of you. We fought the wrong side of the war.
Offering to balance Vietnam's trade deficit with the US
You have a 100% trade deficit with every store you go to, you fucking retard.
Is that a problem? Are you saying we should sell them an equal amount of shit to them so the deficit balances out?
It'll work because we don't need imported goods.
We wouldn't need imported goods if we didn't go full retard on every single industry overnight. You need them right now because we don't make them in this country.
This is burning your house down for insurance money and forgetting that you now dont have a house. And you'll have to build another one which could take months.
Stores aren't other countries. And, no. I'm saying they should just give us the money.
No I'm saying that we simply don't need your shit and we can make it here at home. You're the ones having a bitch fit.
We've needed to build it for a while. It'll be fine. We don't need the rest of the world. This is tearing the bandaid off. We need to heal and stop relying on everyone else. It's that simple.
It's really funny that you think that we need Chinese goods from temu.
We don't make these stateside. This isn't just chinese goods from TEMU, it's fucking everything. If he was just targeting teh cheap Chinese goods market, it would make sense.
Instead by doing everything he just ensured that quality products are too expensive to buy and cheap shit from TEMU is the only affordable thing from China. What are you going to do, buy an american made motherboard? They don't fucking exist. You voted to up your taxes by 100% for nothing.
Well we're going to get fucked over even worse, now because we still need those goods from China, we'll just get bottom of the barrel factory seconds instead while quality products either market to Europe or go out of business.
it's incredibly easy to convince people to support jewish tactics and principles, just convince them they're "winning" or that they personally are being attacked and are a victim and they'll do anything you want
No I'm saying that we simply don't need your shit and we can make it here at home.
No you can't, do you think Jamal and Pablo can run a chip fab?
What part of ask for more than you want and negotiate downwards don't you understand?
He does this play EVERY SINGLE TIME AND YOU FUCKERS DON'T SEEM TO REALIZE IT
I didn't know my local walmart is a country
False Equivalency is crazy with you guys
Our trade is having local access to food instead of having to cultivate and raise it all ourselves
which is why they are trying to bring back manufacturing to the US which was the point of all of this and everything else is just extra like getting rid of tariffs and raising trade numbers
Trump says this in every public talk that isn't about DOGE
Obviously strategy and economy are heavily intertwined. But the issue is trade conditions with Botswana are very favorable to the US, and there is no clear non-economic strategic goal. You make diamons, a demanded product, far more expensive, for almost no gain.
You can't just say that just because they have a goal then it's rational. That's precisely my point
We've needed to build it for a while. It'll be fine.
*in eight years when the fabs are made, but what about now? You still don't have a house even if you have a big check from the insurance company.
And btw, the worst part about this plan is the fact that Trump isn't getting a third term. So all of this will be undone in four years before any industrial benefits are reaped or factories are constructed. This is a ten year plan compressed into four years.
No, Bill and John can though. We did it before and we'll do it again.