You have to bomb these civilians

You have to bomb these civilians

Actually, I don't want to

You HAVE to do it, or it's game over

...okay

HAH, You bombed civilians, you are a bad person for playing our game!!

Ffs

year after year and Anon Babble still doesn't understand that walker is supposed to be separate from the player as shown in the intro

The scene doesn't show you bombing the civilians at first, and the game more a criticism of Walker than the player.
The industry at the time is also to take into account, shooters with big american action heroes were extremely common at the time, those don't really happen much anymore

This doesn't get said enough but Heart of Darkness SUCKS

those don't really happen much anymore

They dont make call of dutys and battlefields anymore?

Many more franchises existed at the time, Battlefield takes a lot longer to release, COD isn't as popular, and more importantly, these games now are far less realistic and "patriotic", you no longer even play real life factions in multiplayer

we're reaching actual multiple generations of people bitching about this game based on what they read on Anon Babble and never having played it

He's not, and it's weird that people keep trying to separate them when the devs themselves confirmed it was meant to criticize the player.

it's not about you, moron. The fact that lugo points at you, the screen tips talk to you, your name tag shows up in the credits, and the writers/game makers SAID it's meant to be a message to the player is irrelevant because you're not literally walker.

you can avoid being labeled a horrible monster for your achievements on your XBox profile

just play only half the game, even though you paid full price!

how about I play none of the game?
yeah, not buying works for me

this is what gamers want

This has to be a parody

damb. this really says a lot about society.....

Americans invade countries, bomb everything and destroy everything they touch.

"bro why do the people here want us out? What did we do to them? I didn't want to kill them but if I didn't the general was going to yell at me, I HAD TO DO IT OKAY"

Why are you Americans like this?

I was waiting for the great grandpa to come rolling out on a wheelchair, then the grandma, then the dog

bombing middle easterners is based though

OR it's game over

You had a choice and you chose the choice that made you bomb civilians.
You are a bad person
The game literally says at that scene there's always a choice but you did what walker did and said "nah there isn't" and bombed civilians. When the truth was there all along there is ALWAYS a choice

except there is no other physical choice to experience the video game you paid for. There is another way for walker, a physical possibility, for example, i, at first, tried to simply shoot a bunch of the soldiers, before being greeted with a mission failed. There is no alternate ending, it was coded in initially but they removed it once people started doing it and their messaging fell flat.

Kino

a physical possibility

You're going through insane mental gymnastics to deny that you could just turn the game off if it actually bothered you that much. Right there, all you had to do was press the button. You didn't do this, which means it did not bother you that much. And you are a bad person for it not bothering you that much.

inb4 but I paaaaayyyyyyyyyyed

And? That's like saying

well I paid MONEY for this gun and bullets, and you really expect me to just not use it to kill? That's ridiculous! I'm getting my 6 lives worth out of the bullets in this revolver no matter what!

There is no alternate ending,

There is, you stop playing.

Kill yourself.

and walker COULD just start sniping the soldiers standing guard as i tried doing. Except guess what, if it was real, he could either do it and avoid killing civilians or would be shot himself in return. There'd be no overbearing faggot with an agenda to push re-setting the encounter because he didn't do it as he wanted. I don't give a shit about your midwit mental gymnastics that you ironically accuse me of doing

if it was real

If it was real, Walker wouldn't be getting controlled by you at all, and he would still do the same things he did though because that's his personality and character.
But the fact is, it's not real, it's a videogame, so "if it was real" is a fucking stupid argument. You on the other hand are real, and you still haven't given me a reason who you didn't exercise the freedom that you are given in reality to just stop playing when confronted with doing something heinous in a game.

no soldier is confused why they get shot at
if you're in a life or death situation, you're not gonna contemplate the morality of the situation. you're gonna respond to protect your life

seems that most people did, which is why that studio is dead in the water along with the careers of the pretentious faggots who made it. Your inability to differentiate between the 2 scenarios despite the very clear explanation both i and others have given and your insistence in this cycle outs you as nothing more than a midwit subhuman who would ideally not have the right to vote.

okay we invaded your country and murdered your entire family

but it made me sad :(

Americans

Is this meant to be serious? The other family members coming out and getting shot one-by-one is like a comedy sketch.

you can choose to not jump

dogshit game terms of gameplay and ludo

The game that buckbroke Anon Babble

Dunno what you guys are saying. I always though of the game as a character study of walker. You get to understand him better because you get to actually see his side of the story. That doesn't make him any less of monster. It is also commentary about how mil-shooters can get you to really be apathetic about the absolutely real horrors of war if you just get to have some disposable fun shooting your M4 at sand people because they be terrorists and shieeet.

Is it really necessary to start these threads in the same way?

there aren't very many ways to say "you're wrong" that the terminally delusional can't pretend are really some version of "you're right"

noooo you can't kill your enemies or you'll become as bad as them!!

Leftist brainrot
Walker was a regular guy trapped in an unwinnable position.

I always though of the game as a character study of walker.

Never was.

hating on Thomas Kincade

NOOOO YOU CANT JUST PAINT PLEASANT CABINS AND VILLAGES IN THE WOODS OVER AND OVER AGAIN

YOU HAVE TO SLAP SCRIBBLES ON THE CANVAS FROM YOUR VAGINA

Tommy was based. Fuck the haters.

I dont get this argument
the us is the most powerful nation in the world
it has a duty to help the rest of the world
on one hand the us sends billions in humanitarian aid to countries like russia or north korea or haiti, even though by all accounts these countries absolutely hate the us' guts
on the other hand it also has a duty to spread its ideology and get rid of cultures or regimes that are a threat to its way of life
in fact, it is their right just for being so strong
it has nothing to do with oil or natural resources, there are much more efficient ways to extract resources from poor countries other than large military operations

it has a duty to help the rest of the world

lol

it does
you hold people more powerful than you to the same standard and dont fucking try to argue you dont

>noooo you can't kill your enemies or you'll become as bad as them!!

IIRC he killed his fellow soldiers. Not just his "enemies". It was kinda of a big point of the game that for walker the definition of "enemy" was blurred as fuck.

Leftist brainrot

The culture war is a hell of drug. Btw I thought it was over and your side won?

The author is dead

We used poisonous gases

And we poisoned their asses

That goes for the author of the book and the your, what 10k word blogpost about how Spec Ops is pretentious garbage. The amount of seething in that blogpost alone could power Anon Babble servers for months.

They mean more the trope of

oh no just a sad farm boy thrust into war

Makes zero sense when the military hasn't had a draft in 50 years. You don't join the infantry during war time and act surprised you killed people, it's the entire job description.

Anon Babble seethes about the "do you feel like a hero yet" being addressed to the player

Play the game again

Konrad says it to Walker in the elevator

Anon Babble was seething about an ingame quote all along?
Hahahahaha

"But this isnt real so why should.you care?"

The game is about walker fucking up and coping for his mistakes

Anon:

WHY CANT I AVOID THE WHOLE POINT OF THE PLOT?

on one hand the us sends billions in humanitarian aid to countries

You do know for what purpose USAID sent this "humanitarian aid". It was all over the news.

get rid of cultures or regimes that are a threat to its way of life

No one threatens the US way of life. Two oceans are an impenetrable defense.

I feel bad for the invading soldier who volunteered to murder the native people of a distant country.

Just watched Generation Kill again

man comes around

footage evolving from bros hanging out into dead civilians, destroyed homes

everyone leaving one by one

"and hell followed with him" as trombley grabs his lmg

amazing ending

Actually, I don't want to

Bullshit, Anon. Did the game have a gun to your head? No,you decided that a war crime was no biggie. You were fine with bombing civilians if it meant seeing the rest of the game. And the game said, all right, here's the rest of the game, but you did bomb those civilians to see it. And then you act surprised, even though that was the deal you made.
If I said, I'll give you ten bucks if you kick that baby, you kick the baby, and I call you a deranged baby-kicker who'd kick babies for ten bucks, I'm not wrong, and your protestations that you really wanted ten bucks and I wasn't giving it to you otherwise are no defence.

No, they're seething about a loading screen that uses that quote long before that scene.

decade later

Anon Babble brainlets are still mad

OP BTFO

You really overestimate the ability of people making movies in 2025. Especially propaganda movies.

Appreciating SO:tL requires an understanding of video games as a medium so it's no wonder Anon Babble hates it

you didnt know about usaid until elon shut it down
it's by design
the US has saved russia from famines 3 times with humanitarian aid
in large part because a large economy like russia collapsing would cause catastrophic effects on the rest of the world
the US is holding the world economy on its shoulders which is why it seemingly tries to meddle everywhere
just because it's separated by an ocean doesn't mean it cannot affect the US
yes, russia and the us are technically enemies on a diplomatic level, but the us does not want russia to collapse, and will do almost anything to try and prevent that, including going to war

Wait, what? So the Soviets had one little famine at the start of its existence and we can't hear the end of it, but Russia has teetered on the brink three times since going capitalist and the USA just quietly made it go away?

Foreshadowing is only good when undertale does it

in large part because a large economy like russia collapsing would cause catastrophic effects on the price of oil.

russia is the the 3rd largest oil producing country

what is the petrodollar

And my favorite

and will do almost anything to try and prevent that, including funding Chechen separatists and arming Ukraine to kill russians and russian speaking ukrainians.

Can't you see I am killing you in order to help you.

Mutts are some top of the line delusional fucks.

that's what russian people say
sure, technically there was no famine because it was avoided before it happened with tushonkas and chicken legs
but yeah russia has been on the brink of collapse multiple times and the us has had to intervene and save them because they knew if they didn't, the us itself would be affected

10k word blogpost

"Never was."

I know you people like too read way too deeply into things, but it really was just 2 words. The author meant nothing else by this.

video games aren't art. they are toys meant to be fun.

iirc when they were testing there was an ending where you turned around after the first firefight but it wasn't included in the full game because people kept doing it

Your posts aren't art either but that does not disqualify literature. What are you anti-intellectuals afraid of? Think Nintendo is going to stop churning out the bing-bing-wahoos in favour of a dark deconstruction of Mario? I don't like seafood but I'm not trying to argue that sushi restaurants don't have a right to exist.

People who criticize war despite never being in war themselves are just completely out of their fucking field

Idk which "devs" youre listening to because thats retarded. The story makes way more sense with the protag as a delusional zogbot, with occassional parralels between player agency.

ur an idiot lol

Sounds doubtful. I think people may be conflating the fact that the white phosphorus scene was at one point designed with an alternate solution where you attempt to storm the enemy encampment, which the devs ultimately decided against because they felt it undercut the message, and the MW2 easter egg where you shoot general whatshisface during training and the credits roll

People who haven't been in a war are multiple times more mentally capable and able to make good decisions than anyone who has ever volunteered for any war since the industrial revolution.
I do not trust or value the opinion of robots or slaves.

What about people who criticise video games despite never playing video games

sure thing, but by the end devs shit on you the player, not walker

You'd have to delete this board if that were outlawed.

The pic-rel exists only on this thread and a 10k word blogpost.

no bro! You werent a zogbot! You cant criticize me being an oblivious retard! Od rather help israel than browns anyways!

Retard.

Every side in politics is fucking retarded.

year after year and you still don't get it, regardless of how many times it's explained to you to where you can no longer defend your position.
Jewish perchance?

I don't have this cynical view of the world where I believe everyone is out to extract profit then leave things to die
even the psychopaths in the government understand that extracting all value from a system or country then abandoning it once it's drained is a quick way of committing suicide
you need others to survive in this world

perhaps the US's foreign policy doesn't make sense sometimes, or seems frivolous or opportunistic or immoral, but trust me, their decisions have a lot more at stake than just the profit they can get out of going into war

lazy devs make linear game without any branching options cause they are shit at their job

you suck, just turn it off you assshooooleeeee

even the psychopaths in the government understand that extracting all value from a system or country then abandoning it once it's drained is a quick way of committing suicide

Lol they are old
Even if their understanding reaches that far, why would they care? People think that psychopaths are intelligent because they're good at manipulating others, but apparently all you really need is a lack of empathy (which actually correlates with low iq)

is a quick way of committing suicide

And yet history teaches that empires tend to do just that.

They're not real. Having the guy on screen doing something is as real as turning the page of the book where a character does something

Ok how about I make the choice to not buy the game?

faggotale out of nowhere

You managed to.

The left vs right false dichotemy, sure. Every country should be natsoc.

I guess they shouldn't have made a game so much dumber than every Anon Babble brainlet if they didn't want that reaction.

Yes but it might surprise you to learn that video games are interactive

You just won.
Congratulations!

Just like a book. Just put it down.

A book is a record. A game is an experience. A book is past. A game is present.

Again, though, I'm not at all surprised that Anon Babble fundamentally doesn't understand video games.

One of the writers said that walker was a parallel to a player and that Konrad was a parallel to the game dev, not that they were literally the same thing and that you were supposed to think you were actually Walker like a self inserting schizo. And like that guy pointed out the game's opening credits directly separates the player from the narrative.

inb4 loading screens

Not only do they not show up unless walker dies, questioning how anyone would even die on a game they think is shit and too easy, but they clearly devolved into some psychotic nonsense the longer the game goes on for. One of them even states to not take them seriously yet people still decided to do it.

By making the devs lose in turn.

I choose not to buy. Just as I will choose not to buy any other game that does this pretentious crap.

Anon Babble eventually came to like The last of Us, but still hates Spec Ops: The Line with a passion.

It's how you can tell the latter is true art.

HAH, You bombed civilians, you are a bad person for playing our game!!

Man, i would hate to see their reaction to what I did in Stellaris or GTA.

The point is merely to make you think, Anon, which is why the game is wasted on you.

what I did in Stellaris

walker is going insane and talking to himself into a broken radio

his squad doesn’t say anything because that would ruin le epic twist

dude remember the STOP sign from the beginning??

you should have just STOPPED playing the $60 game you paid for

Too late though

for you? because I never bought it.

I payed nothing at first because I pirated and then $3.5 on a sale because I liked it. I am magnanimous like that.

Over a decade later and Anon Babble is still crying because a linear game made the protagonist do a bad thing.

just saying? people just want to be the villain.

I don't get how Anon Babble defends undertale for doing the exact same thing

withholding you from seeing all the content without being judged for it, and getting an inferior ending if you choose to not make the choice within the game that leads to the bad judgement, or to just stop playing at that point

You make this thread every week.

...okay

You gave in to your superior's orders.
You followed orders.

Good soldier

Yes!

Self-insoorters are just that mentally ill. It's either Spec Ops or woman player characters. That's all they talk about because they can comprehend neither.

I don't get how Anon Babble defends undertale for doing the exact same thing

that's because in undertale you to not only make a choice to do it, but you have to still with that choice the entire game. also the fact you can choose in the first place.

People don't want to.

Did you have a stroke anonkun?

Well, no. You can't do pacifist run straight away. No matter what, Asgore has to die at least once.

lies

It's how you know a shill is truly desperate

Why are you still crying?

that would be the kind of humor that would actually make the Nu-Naked Gun a good movie.

But you can choose in spec ops, you get a mission failed screen ending, which functions the same as getting any ending that's not genocide route ending in undertale.

This game is really cool, actually.

I hold it in very high esteem. The art direction is incredible. The cutscene direction, cinematography and shit, top class. The luxuriousness of Dubai contrasting with the standstorm makes for incredible sights.

The standout parts for me are the little breaks in Walkers sanity like when the mannequin zooms around for a second or an enemy disappears.

People get hung up on the white phosphorous thing, but I don't see the problem. It's just a game story. Do you keep this energy with other games?

choice

non-choice pretending to be choice

same thing

you just lost the game

Yeah, man, you got me. They are still paying me twelve years after release to call you a daft cunt. It's a living.

and this proves that americans have souls unlike other nations soldiers

not only that but the game really pushes you to be a pacifist, and the genocide route requires you to really commit to it, including striking down an actual child or a skeleton that decides not to attack you at all.

there's like 1 dev who made some dumbass comments in an interview criticizing FPSes and retards here took it literally

We have this thread almost every week. Let it go already. It's been 13 years. Get over it.

Sure, but even if there were way more gradual and unclear choices and routes, they're different routes. Not a movie going

"ahh why didn't you pause before that that happened? It was it clear it was going to happen if the movie kept playing, and you didn't pause it. Oh, but It's just 'movie', right? Why should you care?"

And I don't even like undertale.

yeah, besides it's not like the creators ever made another game ever again.

I've literally been away from Anon Babble for at least a year and the front page still looks the same.

Kid gets shot

"Well, he shot first."

Dad comes out and aims at them

I roll my eyes "moralfagging"

Grandpa comes out with comedic timing

This can't be serious. This is something that would happen in scary movie or the naked gun.

Undertale at least gives you a choice!

Spec Ops gives you a choice

But that's not spelled out in the game!

Skill issue

I-I was just following orders!

Yeah, yeah pal. Face the firing squad.

America is directly reponsible for placing dictators in power and worsening conflicts in Africa. They are partially to blame for both Congolese wars and are the direct reason why Congo is a poor shit hole of a country and remains so to this day.

Never forget that Americans were directly involved on a attempted coup on the Congolese president simply because the man pointed out how the west was funding Rwandan terrorism and illicit smuggling of Congolese resources.

You also can't read,right? Because the game itself tells you.

Africa is an interesting example when South America is right there. But perhaps you thought everyone knows that already.

the biggest crime of this game was vault and sprint being mapped to the same button and sometimes when you intended to jump over something he'd just start sprinting in the wrong direction
and it screwed up my ending when I was fighting the guys and wanted to get over a wall and he wouldn't grab it, felt like assassins creed 2 if you know you know

game has a story

WOWWWWWWWW

doesn't dare reply hoping he doesn't have to face his own retardation again

You just lost the game,
AGAIN.

Situation in Africa is so bad that people are embracing Chinese industrialization, major politicians included, despite China actively spying on them and using African nations as UN sock puppets. That's how much people hate America.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone more absolutely, utterly BTFO about a video game than the people who endlessly, constantly bitch about this one.

You just lost the game.

Reply to what?

As if America is any better lol

Ameria is the evil empire and has been since at least the Korean War

OH NOESORZ!!!! XDD

brainless morons on Anon Babble are STILL triggered by this game

lol

The post mentioning *the game* Undertale.

I am pretty sure he was agreeing with you

Sorry you're triggered, and that you have lost the game.

huh?

empire yes, evil? no
china is the evil empire, it wants to make everything else chinese

america like the mongolians and romans before us are not forcing anyone to adopt our culture and way of life. once we take over you will mostly keep your autonomy as long as you kiss the ring. It's the best possible outcome

america like the mongolians and romans before us are not forcing anyone to adopt our culture and way of life. once we take over you will mostly keep your autonomy

you have quite literally murdered people and couped countries for deviating even slightly of yout way of life

China has never assassinated my president and they actually split the profits if yo decide to be their partner so I know who I'm siding with

I haven't played it, but I keep on reading people comparing it to Heart of Darkness. Can anyone give me the rundown? OP doesn't sound like HoD at all.

Far Cry 2 is closer to Heart of Darkness in text, SO:tL is a bit different.

it's about war man who goes insane

I am the guy in the video game.

b-b-but you are not supposed to self-ins-

I am the guy in the video game. If you're trying to make the guy in the video game look bad, you are trying to make me look bad.
You made it personal, and now I will start a war with you. I never asked for this. This was your choice, your making.
Now learn to live with the consequences: I think your game is shit and I will talk to other people about how shit it is. You cannot prevent this anymore. It is done.

NOOOO, YOU CAN'T JUST-

Don't take it personally. I'm just shitting on the game, not on you.

Food analogy incoming:
Option 1:

Pay for food

Food tastes like shit

Stop eating

Option 2:

Pay for food

Food tastes like shit

Keep eating because you paid for it

There were several of those. If you want you can tag them all individually I don't mind

I guess that was the whole point of the critique on Call of Duty at the time

I never asked for this. This was your choice, your making.

lmao this has to be bait because it so perfectly encapsulate the themes of the game

they were conspiring against us, a point had to be made

Option 1 is incomplete, you forgot:

return food to vendor

food never gets a sequel and people are glad it doesn't exist anymore, prooving that food was shit

This has to be a bit

nooo you must only shoot the designated expendable fodder of our civilization so we can make war with you again in the future when we recover

average spec ops the line fans

sequel

how would there be a sequel? walker kills himself at the end

They made three more games and contributed to five others, two of which are almost releasing

not in my game, because I quit before committing any war crimes. my walker is still pure.

Option spec:

Pay for food

Food tastes like shit

Waiter: "You weren't supposed to eat the food"

Ok this restaurant sucks

Flies: "You're not a spoon lol, also this food is great"

america like the mongolians and romans before us are not forcing anyone to adopt our culture and way of life

America has literally *just* been exposed as secretly funding all sorts of weird American cultural stuff globally through USAID

there is no "your walker" there is only walker and he did do those things you just didn't help him

what games would those be?

You just lost the game.

Also both of those empires you mentioned were notorious for forcing people to adjust their cultures to match their own

Walker refuses to stop because he wants to feel like an hero

Player refuses to stop playing to satisfy their power fantasies

And Anon Babbleirgins still don't get it to this day...

oh no the consequences of my actions

do bad thing, be bad person

evil empires are the end goal of any nation.

the lesson is, you should not buy video games.

You just lost the game, and killed a fictional child

Option spec cont.:

Pay for food

Food tastes like shit

Waiter: "You weren't supposed to eat the food"

Ok this restaurant sucks

Flies: "You're not a spoon lol, also this food is great"

Eat food anyway

Wonder why I'm so mad

ask Anon Babble for half a second of introspection

he's still seething 18 years later

It was totally unknown to the player that the people you hit were anything other than soldiers of the 33rd until after the fact after the deed had already been done.

Thanks for pointing out that your only exposure to the game is some youtube retrospective about the game made nine years after it's release!

no, as long as he doesn't get any help from me, he is literally incapable of committing any war crimes.

I did and I liked it.
Not a crime if i do it in a game.

For you maybe

Far Cry 2 does a way better job because the game doesn't beat you over the head whenever you do something morally dubious

Hey go blow up this train full of medical supplies so the APR can't use it to foster good will

Finish mission

Realize I just destroyed aid that could have gone to injured and sick civilians just so the UFLL can get an edge over the APR

Game didn't need to show me a cutscene where a malnourished African child passes away from malaria to make me feel bad over my actions

Of course you did. This isn't real. Why should you care?

It is also commentary about how mil-shooters can get you to really be apathetic about the absolutely real horrors of war

I really don't know how people seem to not get this.

Yeah, but consider this game tried to give the same message to CoD knuckledraggers who were the target for such message.
If the game never beat the player across the head ofr it the vast majority of people wouldn't even question that shooting WP on people is le bad.

You just lost the game

Loved how much in your face and dropping the subtle act that loading screen was.

What exactly is wrong here? When you take a lethal weapon into your hands, you affirm that you are ready to kill and therefore to be killed. Live by the sword, die by the sword. This is not an execution of civilians, this is firing upon enemy combatants who intend to fire at you.

What other games reach the same level of "making people mad on Anon Babble" as Spec. Ops?

Look it up like I did

Anything with a black woman in it
Anything Anita Sarkeesian ever glanced at

Ive always been fascinated by the location of the game, and It wasn't until years later that I realised why Dubai specifically was chosen as the setting.

This may or may not have been intentional by the devs but I feel like the city was chosen because its meant to be a reflection of walker and subsequently the American action hero trope.

If you know anything about Dubai, it’s essentially a slave city masquerading as some isolated opulence. Its exterior is shiny and pretty but deep down its foundations are essentially built by thousands of passport less slaves forced to grind daily for shit or even no pay. A dark core inside a glossy veneer.

Walker is just like Dubai: he’s a fraud. Someone who presents himself as some great badass hero, but over the course of the game as he's eroded down over time, you get to see how ugly he really is. Someone who desperately wants to be seen as some hero but is basically a monster.

It's almost as if people are allergic to concede that rovot lesbo game was actually entertaining.

Pffh I can't believe boomers believed GTA caused violence

NOO TIMMY IS LITERALLY BEING BRAINWASHED BY THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX PLAYING AS HOMELANDER IN WARZONE

who produces those enemy combatants? who feeds them, clothes them? makes their weapons?
the enemy civilians do that

Don't laugh at our very serious game

Are you directly funding, aproving, and by extention eligible, to be held responsable for all the wars your country has startes since you got to working age?

That's not how it works. But again, there are no civilians in that webm, only armed fighters.

as much as anyone else is

Retard the reason why Far Cry 2 works is because it doesn't require shock value and moralizing to show you that war...is le bad. The game doesn't have some scene where the factions gun down a village of civilians to show you they are bad people. You do their dirty work for them with hints that your doing more harm then good and halfway through they betray you and try to kill you.

if the enemy civilians cheer when the enemy combatants kill you, they are also enemy combatants

I always liked the civilian bombing part. also the on rails truck section and the aftermath of it.

100% it many years ago on ps3 and the last difficulty setting is really hard as balls.

fine, I'll play that shit
played some of it back then, but it was another uninspired cover shooter so I got bored of it real quick
maybe this time I'll finish it (not having played any cover shooter since forever might help here)

School shooter mentality on full display here

If I was there I would’ve yelled BASED

At least you're honest about it

That's turk or arab approach to waging war lmao. White people created certain rules and limits regarding to what should and should not be done in war not because they were feeling generous, but because adhering to such guidelines is ultimately more beneficial for your own side.

Far Cry isn't making a commentary on military sims and their purpose as propaganda to further the aims countries that engage in war crimes, it's just taking the extremely safe "war is...le bad" approach

Ok. Let me expound upon your food analogy.

Food tastes like shit

Get refund

If I chose to stop playing this shit at the Hobson's Choice do I get a COMPLETE refund from the devs, including tax?

No no. That didn't happen, anon. The game was just a story about a guy. If you noticed what they were doing, literally stating, and failing at, you're just remembering wrong.

People who are smart enough for the game are smart enough not to notice any of that.

Yeah, but at least don't feel so distraught about it.
What pisses me off in this scen is "oh poor me I'm sad" seems to say the guy who just killed a family.

you cant argue against it, its actually horrific to think that you are promoting this kind of setup where designated sacrifices just go and shoot at each other.
If your civilization is attacking another civilization, you dont get to just pretend nothing happened so you can do it again later if you lose. Your civilization is the thing that attacked, it must be abolished entirely.

thats the normal way war works. the wests problem is its treating conflicts with arabs in the way it would european conflicts. This is why the us lost korea, vietnam, and every middle eastern war. The whole culture is fighting you

don't pay for the food or eat at the restaurant because you are told you are not suppose to eat the food

people get angry that you didn't go to the restaurant or pay for the food, including the restaurant.

Sounds about right.

It amazing how it's been almost 20 years and people are still seething about early post 9/11 culture. It's not even the wars themselves but the culture of jingoism and bravado America had from around the early 2000 and even early 2010s that makes them mad. To this day we still have people seething over stuff like Modern Warfare and Transformers for being military propaganda.

but what if I WANT to be the villain?

also im going to point out the justification the US used to nuke japan, that fighting there would simply not work because the population would suicidally attack them, that it would be a huge slog with no actual final victory condition, is the exact same situation in the conflicts i mentioned. The same rationality that said 'we must hit them so hard they are psychologically jarred into a new way of thinking' applies to arabs, yet we arent doing it

Because they want to enslave the Arabs not wipe them out lol

Subtle doesn't mean unknowable, of course you can understand what is about, but that loading screen felt like a wrestler just dropping keyfabe.

This is why the us lost korea,

South Korea still exists

you just won the game in a way that developers hate.

No Anon. It didn't happen. It's not in there. It's just a story about a guy.

You really can't win, people are going to get angry at you one way or another.

Who won Vietnam/Korea argument about to break out

Fuck off.

There are better games.

the wests problem is its treating conflicts with arabs in the way it would european conflicts. This is why the us lost korea, vietnam, and every middle eastern war.

US is not "west". US is a part of west, which is not a friend of other parts of west, despite all the diplomatic clown show on TV. US lost not as much to aboriginals in those places, as it lost to Britain and Europe.

Does that mean you're also the girl getting railed in NSFW games you slut?

the US did not meet its objective so it doesnt count as winning, it was a draw
then they really should nuke them, the remaining ones will be in love, arabs are really fucked
the US uses the same liberal enlightenment worldview and ways of thinking about stuff, the US has the same hubris to simultaneously imagine everyone is like them but also less advanced, such that its only a matter of civilizing the poor misunderstood browns and that they will come around to the western way of thinking if given a chance.

The *what* games?

These retards don't know what "stalemate" means.

help

most powerful=good

retarded sheltered superneet stop having opinions

The game is not about the player being evil, it’s about Walker being a soldier infected by the delusion of heroism fueled by American exceptionalism who goes around committing war crimes he believes to be completely justified. You, the player, are just an spectator watching this man spiraling out of control. You know as much as walker does, when the bombing section happens all you know is that it's all 33rd soldiers that had gone awol/rogue, so you bomb them because that's what this character genuinely belives. He's not your avatar or you, he has his own story and you have to watch it unfold by following the objectives.
A critique on the representation of violence when it gets rebranded as heroism when told from the "right" side of the gun

Germans got so assmad over twelve year olds and dude bros liked COD that they made an entire game to spite them

Might makes right, not good.

Erotica games anon.

The game literally has fourth wall breaking loading screens where its like "I cant believe you did that player, you made that decision player."

the US did not meet its objective so it doesnt count as winning, it was a draw

it objective was protecting south Korea from North Korea, and goal of North Korea and China was it's complete destruction, so it wasn't a lost either like what you said earlier (a draw isn't exactly a win either, but it's not a lost either). vietnam is considered to be a lost because south Vietnam no longer exist.

I would do the same but target 9 year olds, you gatta call them names when they're younger.

US uses the same liberal enlightenment worldview

The only "worldview" of US is "all the wealth and power should be in US". Do I really need to explain how that contradicts worldview of other major powers who think the same thing regarding themselves?
Seriously how historically and politically illiterate you need to be to legitimately buy shit about wars being fought over "liberal values"?

Vietnam was basically

You're beating up someone, but still holding back

You've about beaten him to death

Your friends are like "Bro you're making a scene just stop and lets get out of here its a waste of time"

You leave and the guy gets up and starts cheering that he defeated you since you left

>

First world country invades third world one and still loses 1 soldier for every 2 farmers given a pitchfork

lmao

you cant really win unless your enemy concedes or is destroyed outright. usually its concession that happens. the korean war is still ongoing
you will not get concession from people who believe they are entitled to and pre-destined to obtain a thing. You are dealing with a mentality that is not thinking about winning or losing but only on what winning will look like. In their mind, both communists and muslims, the conclusion is already inevitable, and so they cannot be dissuaded or threatened in the same way, there is no real failing to them only temporary setbacks and the desire to make the promised future happen sooner.

the US uses the materialist naturalist causal worldview of the enlightenment. This is what we are taught in the west, to the point that most people are unaware that alternatives even exist. This is not the marxist worldview which rejects the idea that things can be defined from the top down by their universal laws or principals, and this is not the islamic worldview which rejects naturalist causation.
The west fundamentally does not understand the other cultures mentality.

oh no, the mailman found the AK!

Thats because we agreed to all these littles rules of engagement to make it 'fair' for those involved. Even though their side was constantly breaking the rules.

Spec Ops

Kill all the white dots

"Hah, you bombed civilians"

retards get pissy

COD4

Kill all the white dots

"Hey, good kill champ, here's a medal for valor"

retards don't get pissy

A little positive affirmation goes a long way, huh?

It another episode of playing armchair historian

If you go by the lower estimate of dead on the VietCong's side and are calling south vietnamese soldiers first world this is accurate

no one said they didn't want to playing the game the first time.

I bombed the shit out of those targets on my first playthrough and was happy to get so many kills
so maybe you should shut the fuck up faggot

Nobody agreed to shit, America knew full well that to mobilize any more would have had Russia and China acting zesty knowing the bulk of the nation's defense was somewhere else.

I don't care about whatever story or message this game has, it was such a piece of shit to play, I just dropped it.
I remember there was a part where enemies started to run at me with knives. That was the point I noped out. I just couldn't take this shit seriously while it really wanted to make me do that.

You just lost the game and killed a puppy

Doesn't see that the paralel here was that players are so conditioned to kill anything since they dont' expect civilians that they'll do it and only figure out later they were civilians

so what does that make games were killing civilians is part of the fun?

and still didn't during testing, making it so they had to remove the option, and admit the purpose mute and the mission statement a lie

Doesn't make it any less retarded.

Yes but they mostly feature women and darkies now. Legacy characters are just brought back to be killed.

the tragedy of the commons
the weak have more power over the strong when the strong feel a sense of duty and guilt for being strong

ZOGmutts justify murdering civilians by pretending everyone is a soldier

it was such a piece of shit to play, I just dropped it.

Unironically this. The guns were weak and shitty

Devs literally state that the game is a satire on military shooters

Uh no dude it's all about Walker the devs meant for this to be a self contained story with no social commentary what so ever

sometimes it feels like military shooters are the only game that the devs were aware of, and that they were only going off of things they heard about them, or some guys people play the villain for fun.

would be if he made that argument in an interview afterwards
instead of what he actually said: that he and matt were friends and took jabs at each other all the time, and that it was just a friendly joke

For me it's when they kill Wendigoon, in the radio tower.

what? are you saying that you do not grind the population of another empire into food and sell it back to that empire?

How come people self insert instead of just viewing it as Walkers descent into madness or whatever like you would with a movie or a book? I liked this game but I never cared about the game saying anything about me as a player. I just liked the actual story with Walker and his squad.

Why do you guys keep saying this? Okay don't buy the game? The game isn't even for sale anymore dumbass

t. youtu.be/2bEZQ00OOxY

the funny thing is that its an extremely short game so people could just play it. Its only like 5 hours long or something.

Fuck those guys. I pirated the game BUT never played it. I gave a copy to a friend, though, who may or may not have played it.

Am I a hero or a gamer?

No it won't. Your point?

I must commit bad deeds and not suffer being judged because I paid for this product

>muh gameplay!!!! muh gunfeel!!!!!111

Kill yourself faggot. I'm not playing games with unsatisfying pea shooters and bullet sponges.

is this a YouTube video lol. its so comical how all of them come out 1 after another. there's no way this is a serious movie.

So why are the US forces fighting each other in the game again?

It was removed from Steam so it cannot be easily purchased and zoomers are too retarded to do piracy correctly.

nah this stuff is super silly pseud nonsense. I didn't care about this at all. I just wanted to see Walkers story the same way I would a movie or tv show or whatever.

Unironically, glowies.

having fun is... le bad!

what the name of the boomer movie that this game was based on? is it worth watching in current year?

start the game for the first time

giant slop helicopter gun section

turn off game after it is finished

It killed any interest I may have had in the game.

commit bad deeds

So does Mario when he stomps on a Goomba.

Apocalypse Now is the best movie ever made.

If the devs really wanted to commit to this 4th wall shit they should have kept the option at the start to retreat back to the beginning rapel point after you 1st encounter hostiles and they should have kept the ability to use your guns to kill the enemies in the white phosphorous part. They half assed their 4th wall stuff.

People don't want to.

the most anticipated game from a series where the main draw is being able to being able gun down many civilians and get into shootouts with the police

no Studio Ghibli ai pic of the bit where Lugo is pointing at Walker after they killed the innocent people

They half assed their 4th wall stuff.

they half-assed it because they realize their message falls apart the second they give the player any real choice.

Undertale did this shit way better because the metanarrative layer is more fleshed out and because you can actually choose to kill people or not. The game acknowledges that the game is all just a fiction, but most people still feel bad about murdering pixels regardless. This hits harder because you are the one making that choice, rather than being forced upon you.

No you see instead of shooting brown people your shooting Americans

Oh look how we flipped the script aren't we so ground breaking and daring

you could have stopped at any time by turning off the game

why do retards dislike this game?

whats the best ending? I think I like the one where he gets gunned down by the American troops who come to rescue him after you try to kill them.

I can't believe we were evil all along bros

you could have stopped at any time by turning off the game

is that just the developer's why of telling people to kill themselves?

Toby Fox didn't give me my money back for turning the game off at the end of the pacifist route like he BEGGED me to and not getting my full money's worth of the game.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=9u-o2V2pZJs

Where's my money? I never did the genocide route because I am too fragile to be judged.SO WHERE'S MY FUCKING MONEY, I AM SUPPOSED TO GET MY MONEY BACK WAAAH WAAAAAAH

but i dont care what the devs think. I only wanted to watch walkers story like a movie and I did.

this ISN'T supposed to make you go "HELL YEAH"

t. Hbombercuck

I thought it was on gog for some reason but it isnt. I assume it got removed from psn and xbox live as well.

yeah? it's just as pretentious
are we pretending otherwise?
are we defending this game and toby now?

Whitey must provide for me!

Get a job, nigger.

NTA but I knew about USAID decades ago because of their heavy involvement in regime change wars all over the world.

Think Nintendo is going to stop churning out the bing-bing-wahoos in favour of a dark deconstruction of Mario?

This is very much what the Westoids tried to do with Sony by sabotaging Japan.

good, then you understand why the US has to be all over the world to ensure retards don't try to collapse nations and cause domino effects that destroy the entire world economy

If this game had one of those "Do nothing for x amount of minutes to get an alternate ending" events like Fat Cry it'd turn the game into a solid 8/10. It's been over 10 years since I played it, but I remember near the beginning, there's a clear deviation Walker makes from his orders to see if they're are any survivors and report back. This would be the moment to implement it.

calling south vietnamese soldiers first world this is accurate

most people don't even know south vietnam even existed.

which the devs ultimately decided against because they felt it undercut the message

That's just proving the point. You can't blame someone for their decisions when reasonable alternatives are being actively removed. Either give someone a choice and hold them responsible for the consequences or lead them down the garden path and take responsibility yourself. You can't do both.

Basically the 33rd battalion set up shop in the city trying to keep the locals from killing each other. However along the way a certain component of the battalion didnt like how things were being run so they rebelled and were called ‘exiled’ while the remaining component who were loyal to conrad called themselves the ‘damned’

The ‘damned’ won but had to contend with local rebels being pushed by the CIA who were sent to investigate the mysterious circumstances in the city.

Then walker and his team arrive and well you know…

The Last of Us has way better gameplay than Spec Ops The Line. People also like the characters more.

killing unarmed civilians

fun

cowadoody has fried your brain

just read the book and watch the movie already
but make sure to watch the good version not any of the the dogshit extended cuts

I killed Papyrus because I found him annoying.

Something I dont understand:

If the CIA was sent to investigate what happened in the city then why the fuck did they also sent Delta to do the same aswell?

there's no CIA

in large part because a large economy like russia collapsing would cause catastrophic effects on the price of oil.

honestly they already did that once due to a price war with the Saudis until oil became worthless as the price went into the negatives.

That's fine, but it doesn't make it wrong to point out how the devs failed in their intentions

Talmudic guilt trip bullshit. At least pic related had an interesting setting and art.

Noting wrong with that

This.

They held a gun to fight, they are soldiers.

Because CIA and Army is different? I dunno exactly how it works.
CIA squad were sent for a while too, maybe they wanted a second opinion when everyone from the CIA squad for some reason didn't return
which would explain why they gave Walker explicit instructions to just check things out and immediately come back this time

they literally did have that in the game at the exact point you mentioned but they removed it after too many testers did it. if you walked back to the start of the game after the first hostile encounter it would have ended.

Have none of you watched Funny Games

It's definitely more overt, but fans of Funny Games still don't seem to feel the need to pretend those things aren't there (maybe because they don't think it failed so hard at everything it attempted to do that the only way to defend it is to claim it didn't attempt anything)

Why would they send either? Drones existed in 2010.

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i dunno how well drones do in a windy sandstorm bro

lmao they really are like that

they're threatening us right now

retard drives his humvee on top of civilians

retard then proceeds to shoot me

have no option but to mortar him or i die

Using human shields is considered a war crime and international court would rule out the civilian deaths are not my fault

also its THEIR mortar and their willy pete shells

there's so much goyslop released nowadays that people play just because they want to enjoy it and want to feel like it's worth it and there are still people that don't understand spec ops the line is critiquing it
stop playing if you don't like the game (the gunplay is trash on purpose, but you keep playing anyway)
stop playing if you think the story is messed up or incoherent or complains about you (but you don't care, you just keep playing because you just kinda sorta feel like it)
Why did you keep playing? You killed all those people, you followed this stupid story, you don't even know who your character is or why he's doing what he's doing. (Why are you telling me I'm bad for doing this? dumb game)
if you actually think it's a dumb game then you unironically didn't understand it

americans poz up the rest of the world through soft power. i'm glad it's finally failing.

You just won the game

No, I understand it just fine. It helps that it's been spelled out by the devs and fans dozens of times across the years, too. I'm perfectly aware of what it's trying to pull off. It just does that shoddily.

Call of Duty, yes, that maligned series, executes the exact same concept in a more concise, less contrived, subtler way and manages to land it way better. Perhaps because the core gameplay isn't incompetent, perhaps because the proximity of other mechanics, but it does it better than Spec Ops, whose entire shtick is, well, that one shtick.

Literally just lazy devs that couldn't make their idea work (i.e. make the player do what they wanted without removing interaction)

WAR IS LEEEE BAD........US IS LEEEE BAD....ME PLAYING IS LE BAD

Every cod game untill AW was like "war bad".

as interactive as any non-interactive media

Judged by the standard of interactive media it fails

i was reminded of this not long ago when tears of the kingdom came out, and a retarded journo skipped the fifth sage questline and got the bad ending with no epilogue, then found out about it from youtube and wrote an article about how there's a "secret" ending (the normal ending) he didn't know existed

As pretentious? maybe. As retarded? No. It's an actual separate route, made of different interactions

used to be able to bomb civilians

now you might not even be allowed to kill civilians in gta 6

bruhs we had it so good

there's like two invisible choices that were really well executed and you get to pick them through gameplay but they don't do shit

So....you'll send humans in a helicopter?

They literally all deserved it kek

also why didn't they fucking remove walker from command as soon as they saw him speaking into a broken radio

Jokes on you I stopped after playing two hours of this dog shit gear of wars clone. Where’s my fucking medal?

No. It's pretty much the exact same kind of suck.

they were zogbots they are trained to obey

Kek shitskins down

I quit the game because it didn't let me kill Papyrus immediately

It's predictable and dumb, and the meta factor doesn't make up for it.

I'll give you its dumb, because it got under my skin with how pretentious it is, but predictable? There wasn't really anything like before or after it.

the music during the water park level

on the other hand it also has a duty to spread its ideology and get rid of cultures or regimes that are a threat to its way of life

I am sure Gadaffi was a serious thread with his denuclearization and I am sure Saddam was a threat to thre US with his gold reserves and non-existent nukes. Americans sure needed to spend money and send people to die so slavers and terrorists could flourish

Yeah. I know. The parts that didn't suck didn't suck (the parts I remember is what to do with the strung up soldiers, and a guy who will die and your choice is just putting him out before he dies more painfully). But then they failed in other places (mainly the one (it'd still be a little up it's own ass arguably, but not fail so hard it breaks the whole idea to a level where it's undeniable even to the game itself)), and the game falls on that.

Just Cause 2 also does the same point but it's hilarious and fun.

I played and it sucked

the game also tries to trick you into shooting into a crowd of angry civilians but you can actually just fire a warning shot to get them to disperse. i wish more games did stuff like that.

I always though of the game as a character study of walke

This would be true if the game didn't go

do you feel like le hero yet huh? Le horrors of war how could you do this? We removed the back out ending because it didn't fit our narrative btw

also i think it's an interesting idea from a commentary perspective. ultimately you're interacting with the game world in the only way you can, by shooting.

Post nose.

I am sure you think instability in a north african country is a trivial isolated thing that has no effects on anyone or anything outside the strict borders of the country itself and would never result in world faction power imbalance and the potential for chain reactions of other countries going into war
but the US military would like to disagree with you

South Vietnam was a French invention and most of the Vietcong rebels were also from South Vietnam.

Kill yourself glowie.

It's better in artistic terms but it's even more annoying.

international court would rule out the civilian deaths are not my fault

Pretty sure that's not the case.

huh isn't that the movie about 2 guys torturing a family in a vacation home, who also have the ability to turn back time once one of them gets blasted with a shotgun?

the gameplay and story were bad on purpose to make a point

they totally could've put that ending in and it would've been great thematically. a lot of people probably wouldn't have known that it existed until they read up about it. people who would've stumbled upon it on their first playthrough would've thought that it's just some cute easter egg.

One has cool mechanics with some semblance of enemy variety and level design. The other doesn't.

therefore, they arent civilians

i like the cut of your jib

Post dual citizenship passport.

Right that one too. Which really just makes it inconsistent. I did the "right" thing on all of those, and then the game just picks the wrong thing on the others. It's like the beginning of Mass Effect where the first thing that happens on the first mission is "your" character getting two of his own guys killed. Mass Effect is supposed to be roleplaying and tactical combat, and the game just failed at both for you and then handed you the controls back.

i must commit bad deeds

I want to play the game i bought

not suffer being judged because i paid for this product

and not be told by the devs themselves i was wrong for playing the content they produced

so long as people refuse to admit that the SOtL devs hate you because you play fun games, we will get nowhere

I mean in sequence of events. Not specifics, but in large movements

I enjoyed the game because i intentionally wanted to harm civvies with white phosphorus? Iirc
Solid 8/10 for me

And Apocalypse Now is merely okay. There are much better war movies — even Vietnam war movies — out there. Marlon Brando did kill his role, however.

is that schwarzenegger. damn why are they doing this with him all the time

why

They could have also kept the white phosphorus and the rest of that but give you the "INTERVENTION FORCE SOLDIER COUTER" and alter the story just a bit. Doing war crimes would leave make it so that number doesn't drop except for scripted events. Not doing war crimes would make it so after some time has passed since you avoided doing war crime the counter would drop and you get radio messages like

a rioter got Johnny!

Jim, Bob and Tom went missing near the refugee encampment

ah shite I found Tom's balls in the barrel soup

AAAAAIEEEEE HELP ME SENPAI I WANNA SEE MY FAMILY AGAIN

Just make you decide if "your" soldier's lives are worth it.

Ah, fair enough. Either way I do agree message that "Only you can prevent fictional violence" is retarded.

It's amusing to me that people get hung up on the big cinematic moment to bitch about, betraying that they never played the game, since the actually interesting moral choice is whether to gun down the fucks that lynched your squad member or disperse the crowd nonviolently by shooting over their head.

at the end youre judged on the big moral chocie not the easy to miss nothing moment that has no bearing on anything

The choice was to sit there and not use the mortars until you died, or use them and live to progress the game. They even beat your head in about it with the "we had no choice" argument. I liked that they didn't cop out and try to make the story work without the big moment, and instead embraced the concept of unintentional casualties that do result from urban fighting. My biggest complaint is that the gameplay sucked enough that I couldn't in good faith leave a copy at Navy OCS for people to get surprised by and make them think.

NOOOOOO YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT MAKE PARTS LESS FUN ON PURPOSE CUS UH... YOU JUST CAN'T OK

EXCEPT FOR ALL THE OTHER GAMES THAT DO IT ALL THE TIME THAT I DON'T THINK ABOUT

*throws onions food back at you*

so what's the difference

SOTL buckbreaking midwits that cannot withstand cognitive dissonance will never not be funny. It's been thirteen years and they still can't let go that SOTL accused them of something they didn't do. Imagine being so broken by a game lying to you that you can't let it go after over a decade?

The devs are retarded for claiming the messages are for the player when it makes so much more thematic sense for everything to be Walker and his internal monologue to himself.

Also, you shot the civilian that turned the corner on you near the beginning of the game, didn't you?

at the end youre judged

No, you aren't. The player gets to choose if Walker is guilty or innocent. You did not play the game.

stability

Did you miss what happened to Libya after Gaddafi was assassinated?

Good gameplay. Non linear missions. Compelling characters. Proper themes.

cognitive dissonance

Midwit concept.

Honestly, that bit was harder hitting than the WP. WP was just a set piece but the civvie was entirely at the mercy of your military shooter trained reactions

They are literal bots who can't visualize the apple or consider a fictionalized scenario because they have no souls, a result of being raised by the internet

pseuds keep repeating this lie

Homefront: The Revolution literally is the same shit, but the protagonist bomb civilians because they are asians

you think killing people is bad?

well you never killed anyone so how would you know???

You are a fucking moron.

Greedo shot first