So I started this yesterday and I’m almost done with Bianca Hills and I kinda love it so far. Am I crazy...

So I started this yesterday and I’m almost done with Bianca Hills and I kinda love it so far. Am I crazy? Starting Rico Harbor now…

The only people who don't like it are retards who got filtered by the movement

Sunshine is good, it was simply hated for not being 128
Similar to Windwaker being hated for not being oot2.

fpbp
they specifically got filtered by pachinko

Its good the first time through but when you start to go for 100% then it turns into absolute dog shit.

It's not a bad game as a whole, but it has some dogshit sections.

the fucking game sucks dude, if the stars were spaced out like mario 64 and gave you the same amount of opportunities to collect stars, then i would actually LIKE mario sunshine a lot more. But no it usually rail guards you to get 1 star at a time and if you WANT to beat the game you're going to have to atleast get the 7th star in each level, on top of that the movement fucking glitches half the time, id consider its amount of fuckery to be even WORSE than mario 64's because atleast in that game i can just change my route and go get a different star rather than having to climb all the way back up just because sunshine just hates me.

No you aren't crazy. You just have different taste and opinons.

Odyssey has sort of made it irrelevant desu

t. filtered gayboy

How? they both have extremely different clear conditions

shines are pointless because you have to beat shadow mario on every stage no matter what

sloppy boat controls

endless gimmicks

complete removal of precision platforming

blue coins to fill the gap left by the game not being finished

It's the worst mario game by a large margin, fails on even basic game design principles

It's fun. It has some pretty bad shines and the rigid progression structure overall hurts the game, but I still have a good time with it and would love to see another mainline game have some place from Isle Delfino even as just one level or a side area.
Best level is Sirena Beach btw.

It's without a doubt the best 3d platformer ever. Not kidding. Don't respond to me.

You're not crazy. Its the best 3D Mario ever created with actual difficult platforming. Only fags who want casual games like Odyssey disagree.

>endless gimmicks

nah these are good, although i wish the game let you toggle between hover, jet and the fast one like a hat in time.

complete removal of precision platforming

i liked the stages without fludd, were fun

Stupid fuicking

Odyssey is a more fluid and fun experience without kicking you out of the stage every time you get a moon. It’s also way more comfy than Sunshine could ever be just because its presentation is miles better.

Have fun with the best 3D Mario anon

pachinko

sand bird

watermelons

poison river

on-rails shooter

fruit fetch quests

BLUE COINS

the only "decent" gimmick is the casino boss, everything else is tedious at best

Odyssey could never beat this type of look, i cant stand odyssey its just way too meaningless

i thought you were refurring to fludd, yeah you got it these Suck

All I'm seeing in this post is "filtered"

your reward for spraying down every surface of every episode of every level for 100% completion is a motherfucking jpeg

defend this

Should’ve been unlockable weegee with a fucking Poltergust 3000

It's the best Mario game.

Did anyone else try and clean every inch of every level as a kid?

youtube.com/watch?v=XBvzUquxeuc

galaxy 1 is best game. 2 is absolute ass except for a few levels

It would almost be fine if they at least told you how many blue coins are mission specific.

Sunshine was build for pressure sensitive triggers so I expect suddenly retards who finally get to play it with a real gamecube controller fascimile will come out of the woodwork calling it a masterpiece now that you can run and spray as intended.

wrong, Galaxy 1 walked so galaxy 2 Can RUN

Game is comfy until you actually have to do platforming.

only the very last few levels of 2 are fun the rest is like a long ass tutorial and its shit. yoshis are underused as well.

Soul

It’s also way more comfy than Sunshine could ever be just because its presentation is miles better

Regardless of anything else, no. Just no. Sunshine's atmosphere shits all over Odyssey's. Nothing is comfy about Odyssey because you never feel like you stick around in one area long enough to get accustomed to it and each world has wildly different aesthetics to the point of barely having cohesion. Some Odyssey levels feel like the levels you'd find in any cheap 3D platformer Mario knock-off.

youtube.com/watch?v=3bfvBkIfQJo

theres a boss rush romhack of galaxy 2 thats really fun youtu.be/zAD3gxfH6gE

people don't like sunshine because of the over 10 minutes of cutscenes and handholding tutorials with shitty voice acting (compared to the 1min of mario 64) and because the game was blatantly unfinished so most of the objectives are shitty "spray water on this physics object till the game behaves and gives you the right result" or blue coin filler so that you can't properly enjoy the fun movement unless you're a speedrunner or playing the handful of acapella stages

Only i know the real reason why sunshine is really bad and deserves to be hated

unironically shitty filler objectives like this or the korok seeds in BOTW just exist for the kids who get literally 1 game every 4-6 months so they can really squeeze out value from it while being easy for the developers to make, if they put a cool reward behind it then everyone would want to play the shitty filler missions and if they weren't shitty filler missions they wouldn't exist at all because the entire point was to be something quick to make to give the game something extra

TLDR: stop being an OCD 100% completion retard and just stop playing a game if you find it boring to keep playing it. hope this helps

The game has an insanely high movement skill ceiling but literally never demands you to actually use it. The only thing you gain from mastering the movement is beating levels faster.

no one would wear overall in a tropic setting, not even merry-oh

game looks and sounds kino awesomesauce but its so shit unfortunarely

Super Mario 64 does open exploration better
Galaxy does level gimmicks and design better
What does Sunshine do intentionally? (If you say movement you're retarded)

This
Same with Wind Waker

Anon you have to actually explain why hovering makes the game so good that its the best 3D mario. You can't just say hovering like its inherently positive.

Super Mario 64 does open exploration better

Galaxy does level gimmicks and design better

Disagree on both counts. Super Mario 64 had some good novelty at the time I'm sure but the levels are very small and convoluted overall. Galaxy had some better variety as far as environments go but I was never a huge fan of the floatiness with the gravity mechanics.

Mario 64 is the best game ever when you're doing your 5th playthrough

thank god this is censored, otherwise my boss would have fired me just now

That's mostly what I was shocked by as a kid. I poured so much time into 64 and Sunshine flew by. There is side content to do but its aids. I wouldn't mind the game length though if it felt like they did a lot in that time but the game FEELS short, whether its actually short or not. I didn't feel like I really went through much.

Game was shit, huge and empty.

I don't mean to sound like a shill but adds 120 shines if you're looking for more. Its pretty high quality.

have to play the entire base game to unlock the new shit

The turbo nozzle felt like it was only done to gatekeep the delfino plaza star, that level next to the lighthouse, and blue coins
Rule of 3 I guess

Yea but you play through the base game with new moves so it at least makes it somewhat different. But yea that's why I suggest it for a replay, not just if you want to jump straight to new content. Luckily Sunshine is short. Its basically an expansion rather than a romhack.

NOOO YOU AREN'T ALLOWED TO LIKE IT BECAUSE UHH....... THE LEVELS CHANGE FOR EACH STAR OR SOMETHING!

Meanwhile what zoomers claim is peak

Waggling

Pointing at screen

Shooting starbits for 20 seconds

Manta surf with waggle

Flying eagle with waggle

Pushing bubbles

Destroying trash

Doing the entire game again as luigi

Green stars that boot you out of the level

Rng stars

Lmao

Sunshine is magically good because Galaxy is shit for different reasons

>excessively linear for a 3D Mario

Repeating objectives

Why is this good when Galaxy does it?

Why is this good when Galaxy does it?

It's not.

Thats just the gimmicks mind you and I forgot the standing on a ball dogshit and others.
Galaxy also is the only 3d mario game with literally no acrobatic feel to it

Mario moves slow as shit

Side jump and long jump are nearly useless

Waggle is slower than hover nozzle and needs to be used x25 times as often

Mario literally has no momentum in his movement aside of planetoids

Miss me with this gay shit

It's great until you realize that you can only get the final 24 Shines by collecting 240 fucking blue coins because Nintendo rushed the game out the door and couldn't even be bothered to make 120 actual Shines (something Mario 64 did on previous generation hardware btw)

you can only get the last optional 24 shines by combing and exploring the whole game

Yeah I bet having to beat the entire game to get the green stars is better

BUT GALAXY

literally nobody mentioned galaxy

To get the last star in galaxy you must 100% the entire game twice

all those are kino though

NOOOO DONT COMPARE GAMES FROM LITERALLY THE SAME SERIES

Sunshine is to blame for giving us Petey Piranha, who Nintendo felt the need to shove into every spinoff title for the next 15 years, so it's automatically a bottom tier game

in that case, sunshine is dogshit just like galaxy and both are inferior to 64
you may now proceed to piss yourself in rage

Sunshine is to blame for giving us Petey Piranha, who Nintendo felt the need to shove into every spinoff title for the next 15 years

Meanwhile SMB3 gave us the Koopalings and World gave us Yoshi.

It's okay when Galaxy does it because Galaxy is fun.

NOOOOO T-THAT'S NOT FAIR

I don't care. Cope and seethe

Petey

Starlow

Rosalina

Name a more shilled character than these 3

It really felt like the GC era Nintendo was trying to establish more coherent worlds for all of their shit and yea it just led to annoying repetition in a lot of cases. Wind Waker had a similar effect for a bit

Meanwhile SMB3 gave us the Koopalings and World gave us Yoshi.

Yes. These are good things.

because galaxy's levels are MEANT to be linear but sunshine's levels have sm64-tier openness to its levels yet it locks you into doing one SPECIFIC starsprite at a time. Thats why galaxy gets a pass

Sunshine is to blame for giving us Petey Piranha

implying anything is worse than this

Yes, they are inferior to 64
DK 94 >>> 64 > sunshine > odyssey > 3dworld > dogshit > Galaxy 2 > 3dland > galaxy 1

You arent gonna be talking shit about Yoshi's Island you hear me little faggot?

sm64 and 3d world and galaxy 2 boss rush rom hack are the only good 3d mario games

forgot to mention I'm gay, don't know if that matters

Nintendo felt the need to shove him into every spinoff title for the next 15 years, therefore Yoshi's Island is bad

have to 100% the base game + sunburn expansion, including fucking blue coins, for the post-game

fucking D R O P P E D

Yeah
Super mario bros introduced bowser and nintendo felt the need to shove him every single game goddamn

I didn't read the thread but is there anyway to get straight into the game and skip the incredibly long and boring intro? Just dump me into Delfino Plaza. No story shit please.

Sunshine gave us bowser Jr. And dopey ass Piantas

Get fucked

The intro is like 5 minutes at the absolute most, anon.

If you're using an emulator I'm sure there's some code out there that skips cutscenes.
Otherwise, no.

is there anyway to get straight into the game and skip the incredibly long and boring intro?

Only if you're playing on an emulator and enable a skip code

get this instead github.com/DotKuribo/BetterSunshineEngine it gives you a bunch of settings including 60fps and skiping cutscenes (it think)

It's 8 minutes.

the instructions are a little much, i would upload my rom but its a little over the litterbox limit...

Oh yeah. That's even worse. Thanks for reminding me. It's crazy how hard Nintendo tried to push Isle Delfino and the Piantas for a while, and Bowser Jr. will forever just be "Koopalings, but worse"

Cool. Thanks, fren.

It's just a fucking intro. How many times are you starting a new game?

Good take - completely agree.

I'd argue the first 3-4 levels are really really good but the last couple suck.

What if I don't have a memory card?

Never turn of your gamecube

Then get a memory card? You expect us to believe that you're just restarting the game every time you turn on your console? The whole LARP is stupid since you're obviously an emulator-fag anyway

Galaxy at the bottom

Bold, haven't played them all but that's a skeptical list specially with everyone shitting on sunshine, how is it so good to you?

NTA but Galaxy belongs at the bottom because it gimped Mario's movement options/mechanics too hard and doesn't have the level design of Galaxy 2

people who say this game is bad are retarded and gay

You can do this in an actual good game (mario 64)

trans btw

If thinking that Mario 64 is a good game makes you trans, then I'm officially a they/them

Water sliding (cool)

Hover (boring)

basic dive

basic wall jumping

hover again

YAWN
Millennials are obsessed with these slopass games. Odyssey BTFOs Sunshine, Galaxy, and 64

Am I crazy?

Why would you be?
Super Mario Sunshine is great. Just don't try to 100% it, because the blue coins are pretty bad imo, unless you're following a guide or something. Other than that Sunshine is very solid even though it's full of liquid hur hur hur

I don't understand how anybody got filtered by the movement though, that's like the least of this game's problems, I love this game but not as much as 64 or galaxy the only issue is having to beat all the shadow mario missions to beat the game instead of being able to collect whatever shine I want like the other 3d mario games

But no it usually rail guards you to get 1 star at a time

mario 64 does this too moron

if you fall off of the first star of bomb omb battle field, you have like 3 opportunities to get other stars, try falling off in noki bay in sms, you’re fucked and you gotta cljmb all the way back up

start Mario 64

get to Bob-omb Battlefield

able to get the star from King Bob-omb, the one behind the Chain Chomp gate, 8 red coins, and the box on the sky island even without cannons

Now tell me how many you can get when you start Bianco Hills

Yoshi’s Island gave us bowser jr fagg

that was baby bowser

Bianca Hills is the best area so it makes sense

The design is the same tho

Wait there's people that unironically don't like Sunshine? What are the fuckin Zoomies?

Does it run on GameCube?

Bianca Hills>Noki Bay>Pianta Village>Ricco Harbor>Gelato Beach>Sirena Beach>Pinna Park

Yea it does actually though you'd need to buy one of those SD card memory card things. It doesn't run well though on GC, I would obviously pick emulator over real hardware for really any rom hack/mod of this scale. I've had gamecube controller to PC adapters for like 15 years, its nothing hard or new to get that working.

pachinko

Filtered

sand bird

Filtered

watermelons

Filtered

poison river

Filtered but It's bullshit that it takes you forever just to get there

on-rails shooter

Filtered

fruit fetch quests

Filtered

BLUE COINS

only one I agree with

If you're gonna do real hardware just play on Wii with nintendont

nah m8 it's 64=Banjo-Kazooie>Odyssey>Sunshine>Yooka-Layle>DK64>Tooie

Based though where does Galaxy land?
I played Banjo for the first time a few years ago and it really felt at many different moments they were explicitly doing something Mario 64 did, but in a more interesting and complex way or mixing things up in a divisive way. It feels kinda like a direct evolution in a lot of ways though I know it plays and controls completely differently. Obviously SM64 is just extremely influential in general but it really felt more like homages rather than just being inescapably influenced. It almost felt like they knew you'd have certain expectations from playing sm64 and then played with those expectations at points.

with DK64

Where does BANANZA go?

same place as odyssey

Cool, I have been considering it. Are you using a gamecube, emulation with the proper gamepad or a different one?

No I just played 64 first and Sunshine was boring to me

No longjump? No buy

it litterally never even occurred to me that being unable to get shines from other missions was something people would care about until I saw people whining about it online as an adult. I don't think having a stricter order of shines vs stars in 64 undermines the experience at all

Also the overall progression through the game might be "more linear" (in quotes because 64 really isn't that much less linear), but the actual stage design is far less so. Basically every stage in 64 is either overtly linear (tiktok clock, rainbow ride, etc) or basically has fuckall to do outside of a predesigned linear path (Bomb-omb battlefield).

Sunshine is far better about having meaninful platforming and stuff spread across it's stages or not having a clear single linear path through them: Bianco has a winding path up a spiraling structure like bom-omb, but there's a whole village, a park with trees, etc outside the winding path with meaningful platforming. Riccio, Pinna park, Gelato, and Pinata village are true sandboxes without a clear path, etc

sloppy boat controls

I can't tell if you're shitting on the Corona Mountain boat controls, in which case fair, but it's litterally one sequence of one stage; or Mario's controls in general, in which case fuck off, no, Sunshine is just the only Mario game where he is truly responsive and tight to control instead of having a ton of extra unresponsive weight and inertia to him

Most of what I've seen from eclipse is just making it more like 64 where it makes the game "less linear" which I don't care about. What new moves does it add?

Does it expand the Airstrip into a full aiport stage or Corona mountan into a full volcano one with multiple shines and more to do a la Bianco, Ricco, etc? That's the main thing I would want from a hack of Sunshine, an Airport and a Volcano are the two sterotypical tropical vacation locations it didn't already have full levels for.

or you can simply not bother to 100% the game since that's not required for completion?

Other then the cutscene skips why would I want to use this when dolphin already allows you to run the game at 60fps? Hell didn't it run at 60 on gamecube to begin with?

64 doesn't have a god tier comfy aeshetic and setting or levels that actually take advantage of being open sandboxes, and most of all feels like shit to control, unlike sunshine

The long jump is a move for trannies

or you can simply not bother to 100% the game since that's not required for completion?

100% a game should be a one time thing

They made the right move changing the graphics to cel shaded for Windwaker

I am crazy for liking this widely liked piece of media

Ultimately I think if Sunshine had more variety in environments most of people's other complaints would melt away. I used to rant about stuff like linear shines or w/e but honestly that doesn't even bother me at the end of the day. The actual issue with sunshine for me is its fucking boring and I feel like every stage feels roughly similar despite having wildly different designs. The newly found coherence is not only completely bizarre for Mario, both 2D and 3D, but also not handled in an exciting way. The world feels more fleshed out sure, but for me anyways its also very dull to explore. Because of this issue, I start nitpicking about design choices that ultimately I could actually see myself enjoying if the game felt fun to go through.

Peach's castle is comfier than anything in Sunshine. Sunshine just reminds me of hot days and sunburns.

Not even true. You can go to 5 out of the 11 new worlds immediately after the intro.

Mario 64 feels great to control, you’re just really stupid and You can’t appreciate a movement system with actual depth and a learning curve unlike urstupid baby mario odyssey and sunshine

WW literally set the near-death of the series in motion

Best hub in the series by far.

you're not actually supposed to engage with the game you fucking chud, GOD

"Bianca" Hills

"Rico" Harbor

Holy fuck my autism.

Speaking of King Boo boss, he's such a stupid boss. Why does he spawn those stupid off brand Cheep Cheep fish when you get an enemy jackpot? They do fuck all but flop on their backs.

It’s Bianco actually

Odyssey works because it actually encourages the player to platform with Cappy to get to unreachable places whislt also making the game your bitch, imbecile. In Sunshine, you have a limit on using FLUDD, and the devs didn't intend for the players to cheese the game.

I know, that's why I put both Bianca and Rico in quotes.

The theme park has the best music in the game

Mario Sunshine 2 or remake when?

Each stage has at least one level that just sucks ass, like the watahmeloni one or the secret in the bay

What did Nintendo mean by this?

Boobs

The blue coins single-handedly ruin this game for me, they're one of the worst collectibles ever conceived, like random drops from an RPG-level retarded. I did 100 percent in Odyessy and can't stand trying in Sunshine, randomly spraying walls is so boring. I'd rather play that beaver minigame in DK64.

Nah.

Fuck

This was me when I was a kid. Didn't have a memory card for the first couple of weeks, so I saw that intro so many god damn times.

Watch 8 minutes of cutcenes

Fight the shitty boss on the airstrip and then again in Delfino Plaza

Finally you can play the game

...and fight the shitty boss again on stage 1 of Bianca Hills

Repeat this once or twice a day for two weeks

Sometimes I get the desire to replay the game, then I remember all that and it just completely kills it.

Odyssey caused for me to lose my faith in EPD overnight. Fuck Cappy, fuck maneuvers exclusively gated by motion controls and fuck this wretched pile of mediocre kitsch with a rusty rake sideways. Sunshine for life.