What went wrong with nu-DOOM?

What went wrong with nu-DOOM?

Anon Babble got filtered cause they suck at video games, that's what went wrong

I got filtered because Doomguy is actually the second coming of Christ, except God was overthrown and became the devil and the Doomguy wants to kill him, so that makes Doomguy some sort of anti-anti-christ.
Eternal's DLC plot was somehow worse than the base game, but because of how long it took to come out it just didn't get noticed by as many people.

Carmacl has taken that quote back and apologised for it.

John Carmack is an autist who wanted to remove bunny hopping from Quake. Just because he's a genius programmer doesn't mean his word is gospel.

Story in porn is kino though. It's why I watch JAV and retro porn. Thr 30 minute character and motive introduction is important to the fucking.

I blame consoles

Doesn't make it any less right, only him less based

it's true for doom, at least. all the story shit in nuDoom is there purely to waste your fucking time.

The discussion here has nothing to do with difficulty or "getting filtered", bot.
But he's objectively correct. The fact "game developers" wanted to shut him down for it makes him even more right.

Everyone complimented Hugo and Marty about how they made Doomguy interesting in 2016 and somehow they took all the wrong lessons from those compliments and decided to make it like marvel movies.

Story does matter in a porn though.

They had the chance to go Metroid prime on steroids and already were headed in that direction but somehow they decided it must have flashy rainbow colors and he must talk means shit. It's very important today that the player can't identify with the "hero". Everything must be the same because they are now marketing to women and subhumans.
Just stop consuming this crap.

What has Carmack even done gor videogames in the last decade? His takes are irrelevant nowadays.

Post source for apologizing, he just gets asked it every QaA so he backed down thanks to current trends

most games are story-driven nowadays

Kek, why bring this faggot and his wrong opinion up constantly?

How do you even die to bots? Retarded ads autistic Elon wannabe.

A bunch of worthless projects that ended up being big tech grifts.

shit video game player calling others "bots"

Kek I bet you're fat too

Especially since this is the era of post-minecraft

The only people who resort to posting that quote are people jealous that their game has got embarrassingly trash plot.

the audience 15 years ago: dude did you ever think about how doom guy runs at 100mph like its nothing? he's so badass lmao

bethesda: doom guy is supposed to be badass? what if we explain why he's so badass by having the audience watch cutscenes where we tell them about how he's this eternal angel who has been battling hell together with a secret holy order of other doom guys with their own extended lore. this is gonna make him even more badass!

they literally dont understand what doom is

Look at how Doom 3 and Rage games turned out.
Carmack abandoned that principle in the 90s.

so what is your cope? because you can't enjoy a story in nudoom because it's not to your liking despite arguing that stories don't matter?

so, which one?

There is something funny about going from the punching the screen to skip the villain monologue thing that reddit and 4troon were obsessed with in 2016 to the whole eternal extended lore with 30+ characters describing random shit. Definitely a weird way to take things.

The story of Doom Eternal is important whether or not you skip it lmfao. They put tons of budget towards it.

My theory is that someone at Bethesda/Zenimax just wanted to MCU it and have space for Doom expanded universe, and it feels weird because they didn't end up committing to it so there isn't supplemental media.

Retconing the story
It being made by faggots that browse reddit

youtu.be/hLIBrIUz5Kw
why do you need anything more than this?

Yeah the mods are very deceptive because it makes you think it will be fast charge railgun but no even with everything the charge is still ten years long and now you have less mods to spend on cool shit like micropenises

what does that have to do with the fact that you control the button that enables you to skip all of it

They put tons of budget towards it.

towards what? explain clearly. writing codex entries is cheap labor, making animations for cutscenes is something you can do in the downtime after you finished all the combat animations, and they are using all models/textures from the base game.

keep the copes coming.

tucked away in optional quest logs

correct for 2016 but absolutely not fucking true for eternal lmao

youtube.com/watch?v=LycAJSZzpLM

i was just listening to that after trying to find a cover of someone doing it with real string instruments but it doesnt appear to exist

Its fine for doom to have a story, but it seems like current ID wants to do some shitty God of War wannabe story about doomguy being some chosen one who talks to ghost kings or some shit that doesn't matter. Or make Angels and Demons be alien races because nu-Doom is too pussy to have religious context.

yep youre right, cutscenes are super cheap. you only have to write a script, edit a script, storyboard sequences, animate sequences, direct sequences, direct voice actors and implement them all together. thats so easy and cheap to do

stop talking about shit you know nothing about you retard

is it a denuvo game? if it is i will never play it

they always fuck up the aimer guns in these types of baby games

cutscenes are super cheap.

yes, in engine cutscenes are super cheap retardo. people have been making machinima that looks more impressive than the cutscenes in any nudoom since before you knew doom existed

you only have to write a script, edit a script, storyboard sequences,

AHHAHAHAAHHAHAAH, literally all doable by one guy in their free time

"storyboarding" in a video game cutscene done in engine like doom, as a seperate expense AHAHHAHAHAAHAH

animate sequences

you mean mashing a bunch of existing animations together? or doing general mocap for which game studios all have their own mocap studio/publisher's studio that won't count as an expense?

direct sequences, direct voice actors

you mean direct hayden? or one of the random NPCs that go "you can't go in there... WOAH never mind". super deep character driven voice acting right there, i'm surprised all these professional voice actors can deliver such an extensive and nuanced performance, or that the million dollar "voice director" guy who they hired seperately and isn't the same guy as the audio director has time to devote to such time consuming job as directing a NPC mook guard saying one line to the slayer.

implement them all together

what are you talking about, you forgot entirely the job of the recording engineer, the senior recording engineer, the assistant sound engineer, the assistant recording engineer, senior sound engineer, the catering staff, the assistant to sound engineer, the assistant to senior sound engineer, the assistant to mr. voice director, and mr. storyboarder, and mr. script writer and script editor. don't tell me they can perform their jobs without at least some sort of presence of professionalism

this is better story telling than anything they're trying to force upon the players in nudoom reddit ages

Original story

So this Catholic guy goes around ripping and tearing demons

nu story

so ermmmmmmmmm they're like...... ayyyyyliens and ermmmmmmmm so like....... god like....... is evil and um.......

Doom Eternal had over 14 writers, 20 voice actors, and then was voiced in French, Italian, German, Spanish, Mexican Spanish, Russian, Brazilian Portuguese, and Japanese.
You clearly can't even look at the credits of Doom Eternal, faggot.

I love how you tried to appeal to authority as a desperate attempt hoping nobody would call your bluff and now that someone did you are INSTANTLY forced to move the goalpost and started googling random factoids to try to salvage your fuckup.

Original story

this is literally all of the original story

nuDoom is designed for console gamers to slowly wheel the camera around and do an epic BR00TAL finisher move on the enemies and collect the confetti within

nuDoom is just Kingdom Hearts now

doom guy was cool ironically
they're trying to make doom slayer cool unironically

nuDoom is designed for console gamers to slowly wheel the camera around and do an epic BR00TAL finisher move on the enemies and collect the confetti within

i've seen the "doom eternal parody" webm posted like 500 times, so clearly the casual mobile/VNslop Anon Babble crowd thought it was too much

I could never watch another cutscene in my life and I wouldn't miss them for a second

Look at things from his perspective. You're one of the most influential game devs ever, you make an offhand joke once, and now every interview has people asking him his opinion regarding porn.

You can imagine he probably gets embarrassed at the idea of prospective employers seeing that when they Google his name. Imagine if someone like Miyamoto made an offhand joke about hentai and then the quote ended up following him for the rest of his career.

All single player fps are easy if you have functioning video game skills

post your p2 p-rank on brutal then

I only play finished games

Critical lack of Daisy.

He wasn't right even when he said it. He may not care about story in games and maybe you don't either, that's fine. It's perfectly fine to make a game without a story, or with a basic excuse plot.

But even at the time he said that, games with stories people cared about were outselling his games. That's been true in all the years since, and it's still true to this day.

Clearly, there's a lot of people who do care about the story in a game and make it something that informs their purchasing decisions. There's no world where Carmack was correct, otherwise why do people buy games with stories much more than his games?

wordswordswords

not reading

I think "but look at the sales" is the wrong way to look at it, but you're not entirely wrong and I do agree players care more about a story than some people here want to admit, but I don't mean in the "let's turn the game into a movie with some gameplay bits in-between story beats" way. Even a simple story that only competently explains why you're going to places and doing things improves the game, and actually having some memorable characters and/or moments along the way will keep people talking for decades to come. There's a reason why people on this board still gush about games like Deus Ex, New Vegas and Vampire Bloodlines and it's not because they got really good shooting mechanics.

Unironically better written than the modern story.

This is fake right?
If it's real I'm cancelling my day one torrent
Who the fuck would want cut scenes in doom

oh well what a shame well can you then post your world spear master lvl UNM at least

she's present in all the doom eternal maps

I don't mind a more involved story, but it really needs to be in specific places to act like a mission briefing that tells you what your next actions in the game are. I hate when games are constantly shoving story down your throat when you just want to play the damn thing.

We added long cutscenes

People paid real money for our game and decided engage with every piece of content they paid for

This means that people want more and even longer cutscenes

Kill all datafags

[skip]

gamin time

cutscenes filled with important characters

Huh? Isn't Doomguy the only actual character in doom?

The majority of v always sucked and always will suck at vidya games. Thank the era of casualization that helped skyrocket the amount of shitty players to the moon.

You forgot this.

appeal to authority

Wow, what authority am I talking about?

factoids

I looked at the credits of Doom Eternal.

what are the multiplayer rules?

faggot is still crying in the thread about being raped

LOL

Wow, what authority am I talking about?

what was about then if not you trying to sound smarter than you are?

I looked at the credits of Doom Eternal.

so you went over the credits of doom just to try and win the argument looking for a way out, after you told people to stop talking about what they don't understand

it's time to stop posting, you've utterly fucking embarassed yourself, first with trying to pull up random job positions and then claiming making in-engine cutscenes is actually super super expensive while you are talking about work that can be undertaken by one person

KILL YOURSELF retarded faggot and never show yourself here again

Got filtered by less focus on gameplay

Can't deny that, honestly.

One of the few times this is 100% true.

SAY IT

Does it skip the setpiece 'gameplay' as well?

for 95% of devs that had big hits in the 90s, it's been

working at independent studios (usually founded by them) working on crap nothing titles

exited the industry long ago

basically the average game dev will be lucky to work on just one (1) title that sells in the millions during their career

Have fun
Don't be a camping bitch

That's it

Carmack's opinion is retarded because he's an autistic faggot who only knows tech. His opinions on tech are valuable, anything else, not so much.

instantly starts schizoposting

If you could read, you'd be able to tell that's not me, you insufferable faggot.
Already I can tell you have no argument because you think 5 minute "SFM" = Mocapped in engine cutscene.

romero was right

Doom 3 was bad and being contrarian will never make it good.

You're a space marine

Things arent looking too good

All you need.

I'm the best at video games

Absolutely nothing. Just skip the story and shoot demons.

If you could read, you'd be able to tell that's not me

what's this about then: >"Wow, what authority am I talking about?"

Already I can tell you have no argument

1st of all, ESL nigger, you haven't responded to any of the arguments. Either because you lack the reading comprehension to decipher what is being laid out in front of you, or because you are deliberately trying to hope I will forget you trying to ignore the arguments that they will just go away. Let me help you find them:

#1: #2: all the text under the greentext is called an argument, on this website we use green text or "greentext" to denote a quote. Are you still with me? The white text between the green text is an argument. Try your hand at challenging any of them to start with.

What went wrong with nu-DOOM?

Everybody else with a pulse and a credit card that isn't a young dude doesn't give a fuck about shooting or killing demons or playing video games so they have to have a hook for them as well to take their cash. ENTER cutscenes, cinematics, character development, story, tearjerker moment, <laugh> moment, <THE MESSAGE> moment, etc.

tl;dr open mouth, suck on the modern games industry urethra and enjoy the warm yellowy goodness, then get hyped for the next watersports product coming soon to a public urinal near you!

>So this Catholic guy

Never mentioned if Doomguy is religious.

If he is, it is far more likely that he is an Evangelist rather than a Catholic.

t. bot

I hope the holy water pistol makes it into dark ages

The lat thing Doom needs is more capeshit post-ironic le funneh weapon nonsense

He still does a great service to heaven.

Cope, Sandy.

There's no mention of heaven or God in the original Doom games.

Shut the fuck up, Hugo. It's still about killing demons and tearing hell a new one, retarded postmodernist interpretations aside.

It's still about killing demons and tearing hell a new one

Yeah, but it never was about Heaven or God or whatever. You don't see Doomguy using His symbols or anything like that. It's like DnD, I guess, which was a biiig influence on id.

Yeah, I know Doom RPG had a holy water pistol, but Doom RPG is sillier than anything in nu-Doom.

capeshit is le bad because... i said so

It's capeshit not capegood

A perfect clock is still wrong twice per day

rainbow shit to please zoomers

As long as they still include a skip button for all cutscenes like they have before, you still effectively have the top. Anon Babble is just crying because retards are desperately hoping for a win on their 3rd attempt at trying to TORtanic nu-Doom.

this
at least eternal let you skip the cutscenes and not do the half-life ingame bullshit running in circles until the cunt stops talking
dark ages better fucking have a skip button

this sounds like shit

skip to 2:20

ok now it's good

Seeing Andrew Hulshult start his public presence with Doom metal covers, to becoming an indie FPS music icon, and finally being brought on board to make some of the best music for Doom Eternal's DLC is cathartic. Really awesome seeing him achieve such a status from practically nothing.

some of the best music for Doom Eternal's DLC i

blood swamps and reclaimed earth make my dick rock solid

When did you realize Bethesda lurks the doomworld forums and steals gameplay, story and art ideas from the modding scene? Doom 2016 was pretty much the brutal doom mod.

Even the hulkbuster armor, jesus fucking christ. I despise the MCU and it's fans so much.

Doom 2016 was pretty much the brutal doom mod.

The gameplay loop in Doom 2016 is completely different from Brutal Doom.