Which console was a bigger success for Nintendo?

Which console was a bigger success for Nintendo?

It's kinda surprising that the Wii had lower hardware sales but higher software sales than the Switch. You'd think it'd be the reverse because the Wii was sold off the back of Wii Sports which was a pack-in game.
I guess the Wii just had a larger library so the average Wii owner bought more games.

The Wii since it didn't cannibalize their handheld base.

True.

It was all just a meme after all, it turned out that the average Wii owner bought over 9 games.
Oh wait come to think of it I'm in the category the bought no games because I got it late enough in the game to pirate everything. I must have bought at least one maybe... Probably not

Nintendo Switch 2

it could be that physical games is suddenly counted seperately for switch

How can one have higher hardware sales but fewer software sales? Literally makes no sense

why post out of date numbers?

more games on wii maybe

It literally can make sense

console with no piracy sold less software units per console sale than console with rampant piracy

really makes you think

are you dumb enough to think the switch has no piracy?

The thread is meant to make you think Switch is bad.

only consoles bought in the first 15% of its life have access to it
the mod chip guys also got arrested early on
wii was soft modded to hell and back, at least it was possible when I got mine
also you had to get so many random peripherals for wii games, switch doesnt have this problem. I swear to god the wii sports machine having more software sales per device is a true mystery
look at picrel, for example. actually the equivalent on switch has an anime tomboy on the cover. guess anime and no censorship and bayonetta and xenoblade did damage nintendo somewhat
eh who cares about nintendo's sales. gimme more anime tiddies

ds has far more hardware sales than Wii and comparable software sales

Ds has comparable hardware sales to the switch and far less software sales, when the games were far cheaper at that

Uh "piracy doesn't harm sales"bros how do we explain THIS one???

I bought about 100 Switch games and maybe 10-15 Wii games.

everybody wants a fucking console not a handheld

Not only is that not true but what does it even have to do with anything

psp and vita sold like shit compared to their console counterparts
same story here
just cause n64 and wii u was mishandled compared to gba and 3ds doesnt change the trends.
handhelds are mainly for kids and those who want to play games away from other family members, and consoles are for young adults. the latter has a lot more leeway to spend money on video games

Which console was a bigger success for Nintendo?

This one: The Switch sold really well, I consider it another success, but it didn't sell better than the Wii + DS + 3DS.
I don't know what Nintendo was necessarily thinking when they removed the sit-down vs handheld console dichotomy, but unless somebody presents me with contrary data it just feels like they merged the two and all it resulted in was less sales and less games. Perhaps they're saving loads of money in the back by not spending it on hardware and software development?

HUGE point that doesn’t get enough attention. Sacrificing the handhelds is the craziest thing Nintendo could have done. There’s nothing to fall back on if they slip up again

Switch has no games.

It's kinda surprising that the Wii had lower hardware sales but higher software sales than the Switch.

Not really, the Wii had way more bundles and the difference is just about 160m, hell half of that is eliminated with Wii Sports alone.

Nintendo wants to maintain a tight control on their game publishing, they want to keep the first party exclusives the highlight of their system, and having multiple hardware to work on makes it difficult. Why don't they simply embrace more third party studios? Who knows. I don't know why they took this decision despite resulting in far fewer sales, maybe the bean counters say it's better for their brand or whatever. Maybe it's a tried and "true" method from the NES era when all games in publication needed to have "nintendo seal of quality", but I know I'm reaching. The most likely explanation is the double failure of Wii-U and 3DS simply broke their brains.

they merged the two and all it resulted in was less sales and less games.

This is exactly what I was afraid of and said would happen back in 2017 while the rest of Anon Babble, probably still reeeeling over their precious console Smash 4 having gotten it's development resources stolen by dirty inferior handheld peasants (and turning out the better game at that, with it getting smash run), kept saying that it means the Switch would get double the games.
Like, no it just means series like etrian odyssey will be killed and all other small budget games will not be viable anymore because everything has to try to be console tier now.

Or whatever is the reason that Nintendo just couldn't handle keeping output up, I don't know.
All I knew is that 1+.5 isn't gonna equal 2, and accounting for efficiency loss, isnt even gonna equal 1.5

DS was sharing sales with Wii. Nintendo sold 100M more systems and 500M more games that gen. Any other questions?

Does everyone forget the videogame market was way smaller in 2006 than it is now? The reason the Wii was unbelievably successful is because it tapped into markets that no one thought existed, like grandmas.

Halo Infinite has sold more than Halo 3. But it's undeniable which had more cultural influence.

Wii. The video game market was much smaller 20 years ago so you could say it sold relatively more.

Like, no it just means series like etrian odyssey will be killed and all other small budget games will not be viable anymore because everything has to try to be console tier now.

Well it's a good thing you were wrong about that then huh.

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This generation has only been a mild success for Nintendo

This generation has only been a mild success for Nintendo

They made more of a profit this gen than every other gen. There's no "mild" about it.

the Wii most definitely
especially with Nintendo's current standing on the market, both the N64 and Gamecube flopping back to back had everyone saying Nintendo was going to go the way of SEGA back then.
Then came the WII and it BTFO every journo and naysayer
it brought Nintendo back as a major player for home consoles and its legacy can still be felt today (Nintendo still hasnt ditched motion controls after all of these years)
the Switch is big sure but The Wii was a global phenomon only comparable to the PS2 when it released.

Wheres the new etrian odyssey?

Like, no it just means series like etrian odyssey will be killed and all other small budget games will not be viable anymore because everything has to try to be console tier now.

This. Switch played a big role in killing AA game industry. Now everything company has to compete against game with AAA graphics. I know, 240p 30 fps ultra low setting version of AAA graphics, but still costing AAA money to develop.

Nintendo still doesnt' count digital sales for some reason.

Is this thread from 2022?

Are you trying to say that Etrian doesn't exist on the switch right now?

Where's the NEW etrian odyssey?

Don't answer a question with an irrelevant question. Answer the question.

You are aware that this happened right?
AA games have also had a good home on the switch not to mention the ton of revived IPs like TWEWY, Blaster Master and Ghosts and Goblins.

Your argument was that Etrian was killed, now, are you trying to say it doesn't exist on the switch?

In terms of raw success and sales, the Wii/DS era blows the Switch out of the water.
In terms of profit, the Switch made a killing.
Basically, consoles are dying and Nintendo is greedy.

In terms of profit, the Switch made a killing.

Anon, that would mean in terms of raw success the Switch blew the wii/DS era out of the water. Success is determined by profit, not sales.

I would argue way less people buying consoles and games but for more money isn't winning for anybody aside Nintendo's bottom line. They want as large an audience and as many revenue streams as possible. They're down to one hardware line that still hasn't surpassed the DS alone in reach.

No it's determined by market share and adoption rate, especially if you're thinking long term.

this is why ps2 will never be topped
it sold 160 million and mostly to gamers at that
2000s gamers AT THAT
switch is selling to a population of gamers that is 10s of times bigger than before and wii and ds were selling to normies

new

speaking of revived IPs
metal slug on 6th gen had an anthology game sold for 20 bucks filled with 8 games, and there was a shit ton of art and crap you could unlock by doing achievements style goals.
on switch, each game is sold for 10 bucks each and there is no unlockables or cool menus anymore

You're conflating success with popularity even then Nintendo is more popular now than they were then with the fact that there's only one console now as opposed to two being the sole reason why less people are buying their consoles. Also, because they were two different consoles it didn't necessarily mean that their market share was larger since one person could buy both or even more with things like DSi existing and the switch didn't have a "pro" version like that to bolster sales.

They're down to one hardware line that still hasn't surpassed the DS alone in reach.

Anon, it's less than 4 million off. It's most likely already done it.

no it just means series like etrian odyssey will be killed

By your logic persona is more dead than Etrian because it's last new mainline game was in 2016 while Etrian's was 2018.

Yamauchi

NES, SNES, N64, GCN
GB/GBC, GBA, DS

Iwata

Wii, Wii U, Switch
3DS

Iwata's only good console was Switch and even then it pales in comparison to all of the Yamauchi systems. Nintendo died when Yamauchi left and Iwata got butthurt at gamers for not buying GameCubes. It's funny how before Iwata entered the picture, old fans were used to iterative upgrades of consoles, but now the zoomers who grew up with the Wii / Wii U / Switch thinks every Nintendo console needs some retarded gimmick. They're ACTUALLY upset the Switch 2 isn't some dildo Whack-it Bop-it monstrosity and just an updated Switch.

Wii was specifically designed to be an underpowered piece of shit due to the failure of the higher powered GameCube

every Nintendo system since STILL follow this philosophy despite not having any legit reason to have outdated hardware

Why can't they innovate anymore?

I wouldn't even attribute the witch's success to iwata since he died two years before it released and the last game he even knew about was smash ultimate. I mean that's like saying the Wii was a Yamauchi console because it was in development while he was the CEO.

No, I'm talking about market size and reach. That market has shrunk drastically and what remains is simply being told to pay more. That's not healthy in the long run.

Probably the Wii since the Switch is also accounting for their handheld sales now.

What the fuck are you talking about. That anon asked where a new etrian game is. The last one came out in 2018 for the previous generation. Why are you trying to spin this?

Honestly the Wii, they really needed it after both a lacklustre N64 and Cube. Going from Wii to Wii-U and then to switch is only a single gen blip. Also half the switch library is re-released wii-u games so comparatively little work has gone in to it.

255 million hardware sales

Wii/DS era was crazy.

I'm talking about market size and reach

Aka popularity
Also

Also, because they were two different consoles it didn't necessarily mean that their market share was larger since one person could buy both or even more with things like DSi existing and the switch didn't have a "pro" version like that to bolster sales.

The fact that the switch is only a stone's throw away from the DS after the comparative failure, and that doesn't mean they were a failure it means that they look like a failure when compared to the switch, of the Wii U and 3ds shows that their market hasn't "shrunk" at all let alone drastically. You're making this mistake because you're looking at the raw sales data without considering anything else. I mean, you see the 255m combined sales of the Wii and DS but didn't consider that people bought a DS and Wii.
Basically if you have 10 people and five bought two Nintendo consoles each that's still only 50% because the other half isn't buying.
You should actually read what people say to you instead of just assuming you're correct.

Implying Iwata didn't see Nintendo's greatest games of their franchises release under him

Best mario (galaxy), advance wars (DS), fire emblem (RD), F-Zero (GX), kirby (Air Ride) mario kart (wii), the list goes on... All release under Iwata

Switch has 15 thousand games retard

Nintendo's hardware sales were double what they are now back in the Wii era.

That anon

It's you, obviously and you made the claim that it Etrian was dead. Clearly it isn't which is why you had to pivot to new games, then you got btfo'd.

Handhelds were dying because of smartphones. The smartest thing they could do was make the switch so they didn't have to develop handhelds anymore.

Switch software is at 1,359 now. Pretty much the same tie ratio as Wii

Galaxy sucked and yes I am right

Normies also bought the PS2 too, mostly for the DVD player but it also had a lot of normie games on it too. It's just, the PS2 had games for nearly every demographic so no one complained.
Despite its sales worldwide though, Xbox still dominated American mainstream discourse. Halo was just that ubiquitous back then.

It's weird to think so many cultural hits were happening simultaneously in such a short amount of time. But I think that's because despite the smaller market, it was all condensed into America and Japan. So if something was a big hit, it meant it was probably a big hit in your local neighborhood. Hard to really compare to that these days, where a big hit still means the only people who know about it are people online.

Except for Galaxy almost all of them were in development under Yamauchi and none of those are the best anyway.
64 and Odyssey are better than Galaxy and Iwata also was the one who green lit the worst nsmb game 2, which also had MTX levels.
Never played advance wars and FE but iwata doesn't have a good track record.
X is better than GX by a country mile.
Air Ride was developed under Yamauchi
Any Kart is better than Wii and World is lining up to be the best.

the list goes on... All release under Iwata

If it did then you'd continue.

GX and Air Ride were already announced and deep into development prior to Yamuchi's retirement.

Not pictured is all the profits from NSO subscriptions

Believe whatever you want, but I'm not that anon. But I do agree that EO is pretty damn dead right now, especially when the ports didn't do so hot. But you two are having a spat over something else so I'm just going to say that trying to act like EO is alive and making bizarre comparisons to persona is stupid, because it isn't.

Switch 2 will be Wii U 2.0

I'm other words you're trying to defend a person who made a flagrantly false statement and tried to move the goalposts when he realised he was wrong, by throwing a tantrum and misunderstanding the comparison made using your, sorry, his logic.

You know that's not any better, right?

Except the switch 2 is selling out in every region where preorders are open while the Wii U didn't.

Nice cope

If the flagrantly false statement was EO is dead, then EO is dead and no comparisons to persona is going to change that. Maybe by some miracle we get a new game, but you getting pissy over it on the internet isn't going to resurrect it.

we opened pre orders in specific regions only to the most hardcore tendies, LOOK HOW ITS SELLING OUT

Did Switch make Furukawa the richest man in Japan? Don't think so.

The market has grown and expended into poorer countries now.