Are there any legitimate arguments against it being one of the greatest games of all time?

Are there any legitimate arguments against it being one of the greatest games of all time?

New Vegas exists

the main story kinda sucks, thats really it also no factions you can join besides, regulators, brotherhood of steel. The Pitt was really cool tho.

It takes 5000 years to get out of the vault and actually start playing the game

An even more rushed mess exists

Uh, yeah. Its story needed to be fixed with DLC and even with said DLC, it chastises you for your choice. There's also the whole karma system being a mess, the gunplay, etc. It a good game but it's definitely not that fucking good.

Yes, I'm a playstation cultist so I hate any game which Xbox owns

you can't understand and appreciate Fallout 3 in hindsight because the gameplay elements and 3d setting it introduced have been recycled and rehashed over a million times. Back in its day it was fucking kino.

It really is oblivion with guns. Take away the fetch quests and you lose about 90% of the "content"

open world
console shooter
faux RPG for casuals
more of the same shit

I'd say there are a few
The tutorial is a massive slog after the first time you do it making replays terrible
On consoles the optimization was quite bad, not as bad as new vegas and never did have as many problems but still, second worse imo just behind new vegas goty on ps3
The damage resistence being a thing was a bit annoying meaning at endgame you were using specific weapons (maybe they designed it like that?)
You can't make piggy Amata your sex slave when you return to the vault

Realistically, there isn't that much that's bad about it

I'm looking for OP, a fat faggot. Have you seen him?

Look I loved Fallout 3. I did *everything* in the game but its not without its flaws

dozens of copy pasted subway tunnel dungeons

absolutely god awful character models

5 voice actors total

the power armor looks like shit and isnt really worth it

shitty original ending

fpbp, though obviously baited by OP

I agree it takes too long and I also think it was a nice touch. Really hammers how wildly different the outside world is.

cons

jank gameplay

badly executed story

lacking colors

pros

peak atmosphere

cool world to explore

memorable characters

radio bangers

i want a remake

I have replayed this very recently as part of TTW, full game clear including all DLC, and even withm mods adding a bunch of QoL it's nowhere near being one of the best of all time.
I will not deny the game is overhated, I like how many little bits of environmental storytelling of fun little gags it has in various places and the Mesmetron could be a lot of fun for various reasons, plus I like how they gave you some genuinely evil choices without necessarily gimping gameplay. That said the world is very static and unreactive, even when something major happenbs most characters don't react or have new lines at all, enemy variety is dogshit, combat without mods to improve it is so barebones it hurts and a lot of the unique gear you find is just a named palette swap of a base weapon with slightly higher numbers. Sidequests often feel very brief and a bit too simple with the conclusion often being rather flat due to the lack of reaction from the world or it's NPCs.

world is static

No it's not. You even get to blow up a town

Power Armor is worth it if you dont have a Maxed STR character. Otherwise it gets hard mogged by the Stealth Suit its not even a contest, cloaking on crouch is fucking insane.

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yeah loads of side quest resolutions lead to new random encounters

Yes and after doing so nothing changes for anyone else. Moira becomes a ghoul and gives just about 0 shits, and nobody else in the game comments on it, nor does it affect the main questline or any other major questlines (besides those given by dead NPCS of course). It's fucking hilarious and again, I appreciate them giving you the choice to do it, but at the same time it's really more of a novelty than a genuinely impactful choice.

he is right tho new random encounters happen in the world once u finish some quest also 3 dog talks about it in the radio he is a progressive liberal faggot tho

The random encounters just do not feel like enough, especially since their random nature means you're likely to not see a bunch of them.

I don't know what level of reactivity you're looking for but it sounds overly resource intensive for one outcome of one side quest

new vegas is DLC tier

How new?

And because of that, your dick no longer does

Shooting doesn't feel enjoyable. I think the RPG elements affect it too much. Playing Stalker after this felt so much better in terms of gunplay.

if you asked me to name some of the worst lines of dialogue in any video game ever, I'd probably list off like a dozen from just this game before getting to anything else

ttw

that's your problem

I don't think NPCs from other parts of the world actively reacting to Megaton being bombed or other major story developments that affect the world is that intensive. I'm not saying everyone needs to have a reaction to everything but shit, a fucking nuke was set off and one of the major settlements in the CW got erased from the map, you'd think people would have more to say about it, same for the Enclave suddenly returning and taking over multiple parts of the wasteland overnight.

Fallout 3 was unplayable by people with sub 110 iq for about 3-4 years when Games for Windows Live went down.
So naturally the silly expansion got overrated since Obsididrones cannot shut up about it and normies couldn't see the truth.

NPCs from other parts of the world actively reacting to Megaton being bombed

like three dog or your dad?

other major story developments that affect the world

like the ending slide?

like three dog or your dad?

two NPCs in a game with over a hundred

the ending slide

Neat but happens after you're done so it's not the same as direct effects to gameplay.

I wanted to replay both games and saw the option to do so in one swoop, I fail to see the problem.

It plays like complete dogshit? The story is fucking retarded? It looks significantly better in concept art than the actual game? The only real "RPG" elements in it are being cartoonishly evil or the biggest goody two shoes imaginable? The exploration offers almost nothing substantial? It just recycles things from Fallouts 1 and 2 without adding much new at all?
If anything it's harder to find a single argument as to why it's even the best game of the fucking month it came out in much less "game of all time".

Yes, the fact that it's not Fallout and you're a normalfag nigger.

Where the fuck are the pajeets? Normally if you made a thread like this they'd be swarming like flies.

Considering the following statement: we understand what Fallout 3 was meant to be, far more than Bethesda could and TTW is the only official way to play Fallout 3 as it was meant to be played

Does that help explain why your shitty little faggotry mod is gay?

This, OP had no chance, NV is THE quintessential Fallout experience.

I assume that quote is from their mod page, and I am aware that they make changes to some things in the base game like spreading the bobbleheads, however I dislike such things so I have mods that revert all changes not intended by the devs, such as putting the bobbleheads back in place. So yes, I fail to see the issue, and am not interested in your little war with faggot modders.

So you basically are still playing with Shit Vegas mechanics, like DT in Fallout 3 which is against the design

Anon are you seriously, genuinely gonna try to argue that FO3's combat mechanics are in any way not shit? seriously? a game where 90% of the combat involves shooting guns which you cannot even ADS? Fuck off, I played the original version on console back when it released, and even for the time the combat and physics were fucking jank.

ammo types

weapon upgrades

iron sights

penetration system

shit

If think New Vegas combat is good then you're the problem
They literally had to scrap a bunch of things from being developed when Bethesda explained that no, you cannot just fucking make a 2D turn based game since you originally agreed to make a 3d real time game

Combat is utter shit. The ammo types? pointless. Why? Well see, armor was meant to have different DR/DT values. Like steel would do better against physical bullets but weak against laser. Leather would be stronger against laser, etc

Yet instead we got this utter fucking slop of 'the combat is pointless since you either get a DT slightly over a point of what the enemy damages you as and you are functionally invincible or you spam stimpaks non-stop to not die'

I'm not saying 3 was better due to lack of ADS. I'm saying Shitvegas was worse due to it being a fucking turn based tactics game ported into a fucking 3D FPS because Obsidian are retards who think they can break contracts

funny praising the misaligned iron sights with a half life image

Sure has a lot of flaws which could be valid arguments against it but I did enjoy it for what it is/was at the time

Fallout 3 is more Metro than fucking Metro Exodus.

Nah you silly buffoon. Only takes 50 minutes.

However it takes 50000 years to traverse the Metro and get around DC capital.

The story is very poorly written and it has no memorable characters.

It's Fallout 3