WEG Thread, what WEGs are you playing
WEG Thread, what WEGs are you playing
any good finished ones?
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I can always do that, the point is to have it shilled to me
bare witness
last thread people were talking about the fact that heartside adventures is abandoned becuase the dev got doxed because of a schizo on Anon Babble
lol
he kept saying ''the game will release next month'' for at least 4 months so I feel no sympathy for the retard
been meaning to play that actually, time to do something about it
The only good wegs I have ever seen were made by Okochox, but he had a nervous breakdown and is gone forever.
Right now a good, promising games are Halls of the Pale Widow (finished) and Sin Spire (patron alpha). But they appeal only to people like me who tolerate procedural generation.
There is nothing more boring than self-insert haremshit. I would rather fap to still nudes or my own imagination.
Newfag here. What the FUCK is a WEG?
WEG thread? Post it.
post it so we can all leave already
none
Ive just been playing chatbots instead for a while
So recommend me a weg to get back into them
is really really good
life in santa county
got a link to last thread?
Jeet made erotic visual novels with stock 3d assets made on renpy typically. 95% of the time it is a male protag incest harem story.
L U R K
M O R E
just kidding, is just Western Erotic Games, newfren
I do feel bad for the guy, but literally every dev interaction with Anon Babble has been terrible. LonaRPG and Hero Party Must Fall are good examples of getting shit on and I'm sure there's tons more. there are people over there that will enter a state of rage if you post western slop over the typical generic RPGmaker stuff nip devs make over and over again.
indians don't make wegs though
Why is he not black?
fairy jerks you off with her whole body and pulls a jar out of nowhere for you to coom into
dives inside and tells you to close the lid and shake it
tiny slut is a freak of the highest caliber.
There are 34 pages worth of "games" with the ai cg tag on f95. So you'd be wrong.
But that just gives me "Season 1 - Complete", or Abandoned ones mistakenly classified as Complete due the dev being smart enough to say the game is complete as he runs away with the thing clearly unfinished.
Everytime I see this, the art becomes more and more surreal. Its... pure cringekino...
Treasure of Nadia because someone shilled the fuck out of it and holy fuck I HATE those bitches Kaley, the store girl and the daughter. I wish there was some kind of mod that would straight up remove them from the game because every single time the game focuses on them it becomes 100 times more boring
None, I only play WEGs when I have a week or more of free time, can't imagine playing some vile incest kino and then going out to society
and basically none of them are in the the first 10 pages of most liked/rated games so
why aren't there more wegs being pushed out? is the golden age over?
I love cringekino bro
Reminds me of better times
As anything related to the incredibly shady WEG scene, fags have become smarter and found a way to easily game "Complete" and "Abandoned" tags on F95, not all titles classified under these two tags actually apply.
they are both based on the devs actions, if the dev doesn't communicate for multiple months is considered abandoned, if the devs says it's the last update of the game then it's called completed
Please talk about 2D ones and not disgusting 3D ones
Visual novel porn games made by third-worlders in the western hemisphere and are consumed by Americans. The characters are made using DAZ 3D which has many free assets that one can modify to their liking, and it typically results in characters such as the one in the image I have attached. They usually follow a incest storyline that ends in the main character having a harem of all his female relatives.
Lol
they are both based on the devs actions
Exactly, hence they play with it.
if the devs says it's the last update of the game then it's called completed
Exactly, the last update doesn't necessarily mean the dev actually finished whatever they first had in mind when the project started.
I do feel bad for him because nobody should have something like that happen to them, but his whole project was so retarded and mismanaged that my thoughts at some point about it being a huge troll might be true
his whole project was so retarded and mismanaged t
Elaborate
WHERE IS IT, I'D LIKE TO LEAVE ALREADY
what game?
its just one dev with ambition to make something instead of being a selfish consoomer, he never took payment for anything either
WAITWAITWAIT was the doxxing recent?? I saw that dev posting not long ago, fuuuuuuuuck I really liked the goblin girl design
not enough 4090s or 5090s for sale. and anything else is significantly more expensive than either of those
im gonna suppose is not a good idea for a dev to claim the game is "completed" even though it may be clearly half-assed, it would give bad reputation to the dev
3090?
Playing Moment of Bliss. Still like the girls and the dirty talk but got annoyed at 3rd person pov and the plot going straight into the stratosphere.
Its probably true, doxxing happens all the time over at Anon Babble. Its probably one of the boards with the most dox, since you always have a few repugnant schizos who see their generals as their personal chatrooms. God knows how many have been doxxed in the most loony generals like /utg/,
I am shilling Mist. Go play faggot.
why do people link their online personas to real life?
Id never be doxed
yeah but it's not the newest thing. how's blender/daz uplift from 3090 to 4090/5090, anyway? was it as crazy as the general video game performance?
FUCK Sunsetriders7 and FUCK AIslop Unlimited
Now and Then
Bare Witness
My Family
Depths Revival
Mist
Monkey Business
did you read the first reply?
also the whole 'let's make a porn game but also some dark souls game in one'' isn't smart
to beta test you need to go to his site and join his discord and only then you will get a copy to playtest
instead of just making it public. also if it was ever real someone will drop a link, let's see if that happens
I commend him for making something, but everything around it was just too fishy, he never uploaded any more art except for the same ~20 pinups of the characters he posted since the beginning
The Lethe scene you get in exchange for your Shopkeeper memories and this scene were the first ones I found fappable after God knows how many hours. Good thing I'm just in it for the story.
It's probably still objectively cringe but I don't feel the cringe at all anymore. Not just because the actual writing is cool, but because I've seen what "maturity" looks like in modern media and it's so gay, revolting, and even more cringe to the point where emo edgelord Sasuke NiN aesthetics look socially acceptable by comparison.
even if you have generally good opsec, it only takes one single mistake for it to fall apart. Use a specific avatar? Woops there you go! It sounds stupid, but it can happen
Then you would be surprised how many "Completed" titles on F95 fit that criteria.
Well even if it did happen I dont live in america and I have no reputation they could possibly ruin by making whatever porn I was into public
i don't doubt it but just having the tag "completed" alone won't attract people towards a game, especially because now that is "completed" it will no longer have updates for people to pay attention or be looking forward to it
Congrats, you figured it out. That's 99% of all finished Patreon WEGs so far. It's either that or neverending sandboxes that have a lot of lewd content like Something Unlimited and Wild Life that you just know will get abandoned eventually.
did the anon on Anon Babble who years ago was making an autistic kidnapping basement rape dungeon simulator actually finish it or get partyvanned for the good of humanity
started a new playthrough of being a dik
Monkey Business
based as fuck game, I played through his incomplete fantasy one and I really hope he keeps at it, major game of thrones vibe
Fag95
I'm sure there was a aussie who was making a game like that (but with cunny?) and he got partyvan'd.
Superhuman
tfw saving Manslut Quinn main route
KINO
yeah it was KIDnapping so probably that
aussie
who woulda thunk lol
Me, because who else would come up with such a idea besides the heinous aussie! Being real, I don't think he deserved it. Its not my kind of thing but its not something a government should be interfering with unless he was tracing CP or something.
What's the issue exactly? You can pirate weeb games from there too if that's more your thing.
He had CP on his computer.
That doesn't mean it was reasonable to check in the first place
Also what he was making on it's own would have counted as "CP on his computer"
Is this one of the three WEGs in existence with a concept of actual diverging routes? Everything else is the exact same "eh, just fuck the girl you fancy the most, everything will play out the same" shit. This scene is so fucking lacking man, from titles that don't have something as basic as a gallery / replay mode, to "plots" that make a regular Brazzers video seem like it had better writers available.
He had a separate database of real minors and he apparently had altercations. Fuck off pedo
sauce. this is the first I have heard of this
Any good gay WEGs? And I don't mean futashit or femdom, ideally without any women at all
No.
some dark souls game in one
It was always a 3D adventure RPG above all. It doesn't play like Dark Souls. The story-only version of the game is what had H.
to beta test you need to go to his site
You only had to email, and it was to vet for people committed to playtesting.
he never uploaded any more art except for the same ~20 pinups of the characters he posted since the beginning
There were multiple posts showing effects, 3D gameplay, tools and scenes. Also, most aren't pin-ups; they're game assets.
yes, you get some options on how to handle things. you can be more of asshole or more passive and which path you choose allows you to go for different girls.
Damn.
None, I'm white (Russian)
I unironically need good writing and an interesting plot to enjoy WEGs these days.
Quinn!
There's one that's kinda like harry potter that had several parts, anyone knows which game I'm talking about?
Lust Academy, it's mostly kinda shit now
I love my faithful wife Alexia!
I really like WEGs. H-games are nice too, but I like a change from Anime art style. Such a shame these devs come up with good ideas, only to milk them in a scam. I would buy so many of these once they got finished.
spend 10 years dragging your feet on a project you barely care about anymore
give up completely and just shit out AI slop
gooners love it
Innocent Witches? Tho it is literally HP.
It would be hyper game kino if they actually cared about finishing it
What are some good cunny wegs
fbi pls go
hyper game kino
Do you mean "hyper" as a fetish or "hyper" as in "super good"?
How far away is it from completion? I really love the art style but I took me fucking ages to gring through the beginning of the game to get my first pair of tits and in the end they were on bloody McGonnagall.
Might give it another try since the actual targets are all cute.
I'm looking for a good WEG
World Economic Gooning, don't know why it became an organization but here we are.
I meant as really good. I like what I played a lot.
Sounds like we played around the same time. They added a little more content, but it really just feels like an elaborate scam at this point.
Other games like Monkey Business? The mom was top tier
Update soon bros
Depths revival and My Family you fuck the mother in those ones and they're complete games too, get the My Family Epilogue as well, they're both long Wegs with multiple girls, they're both harem Wegs.
I could never finished My New Family it was good but it was so one-note with the lovey doveyness and too many girls
We'll never get a good game with Raven
I could have finished it if he didn't try to force me to forgive characters that I do not forgive
I think we will eventually. A.I. will probably be able to build simple games like this and the art will be consistent. Only a matter of time IMO.
there is not a SINGLE good ntr focused weg
The Last Sovereign
v0.77.0
- Epilogue section of the game added.
Sierra won, Nomo a cuck
Considering most the normal vidya industry is eating shit it is inevitable that they find ways to use AI for SW/game development.
Figures, the genre itself is pure garbage.
hero party must die
Everyone already knows eternum/carnations/ripples etc., so let me once again shill you Crossrealms, it's just starting, with only a few hours of content, but it's pretty fuckin' good
oh right that one is pretty good
did feel a tad on the grindy side the last I played it, having to repeat the same animations 10x times
might give it another go
bawdy traditions
Eternum
Played
Carnations
Tried, but didn't like. Might need to be sold on it.
Ripples
Might have tried it, don't remember.
Crossrealms
Already played after last thread.
AI will probably be a double edged sword but I think once the tech gets there it will fix a lot of issues with these half baked scams.
I'm tired of WEGs. 99% of them are the same slop.
I remember a game form ages ago from Anon Babble threads back when pastebin didn't have a shitfit about porn that looked good.
Nice 2d art, ok combat and pretty ok scenes from what I remember. Can't remember then name and only know that you started next to a fountain shrine with amnesia.
Wonder how long that went on for before dying
ripples was painfully cringe last I tried it
remember stopping at some scene where you're getting ice cream and yet another girl squirts from just looking at you
Feel free to try eroge, but you'll encounter the same general problem.
There is nothing wrong with f95 stop complaining about f95
Make your own slop.
there will always be a lot of garbage but AI will inevitably help some of the decent ones to finish what would otherwise take ages or never happen.
I wonder if the whole scamming aspect will be affected by the fact that many more people will get involved in the business forcing the eternal incomplete ones to start needing to fight for paypigs.
Ok, from those I've played recently I really liked Fates Collide - writing is pretty good, models are great, even the MC looks alright, music fits the scenes, but there's almost no actual sexual content as of now, and the games early chapters are supposedly getting "updated and reworked"
my pig princess.
Also can recommend Zero End, very good urban fantasy inspired by Hellblazer, you can fuck a crazy vamp chick that looks like Jeanette from Bloodlines in it
zero end is kino but it's another "never ever" game
last update was two decades ago
Honestly, most of the best games do have diverging routes, just not to the point that you completely stop getting scenes with the other girls. Pale Carnations is probably the example of this with the pick and choose for the love interests, while still having a good in universe reason to continue to have the 3 main girls and the MC have sexy stuff happen, but then you have the really diverging ones like Karlsson's Gambit which have completely different routes depending on if you want to be submissive or dominant.
I'm also not sure I like overly diverging routes, outside of them completely changing the fetish tone, since the main plot is always going to play out the same and it just means you end up having to speed run the game on fastforward mode if there are multiple interesting girls, and if the game doesn't have multiple girls, that's not really a good sign since there's very few singularly good heroines trapped around a cast of
rework
Oh no no no LMAO
Developer posts in the 95 thread, his last sighting was on april 1, and last patreon with progress report on march 30, expect the next update in early may
I'll check back in five years
Rogue-like would unironically benefit from a properly trained AI.
The new girls look ugly as fuck, the art style is all over the place, a lot of the different-angle animations are offputtingly off-model.
dimension 69. nice animations
NLT kinos
I wonder if the whole scamming aspect will be affected
I think it will. I would guess some people might just take over projects or finish them. Probably a lot of people that just can't do art but could finish the gaming side of WEGs. It will probably pressure the devs to finish it themselves, that and the side you said, where the market will be flooded.
What are some good games with a first person pov? Some of my favourite games like Radian, Mist and Bad Memories all feature it.
still no pregnancy
can't even fuck the queen
his weird anal and futa obsessions
Dead project.
his weird anal and futa obsessions
It IS a WEG after all.
It's fucking funny how X-23 was created for the cartoon the game is based on but game-Laura's design isn't based on her in any way
My Family
Throws like 20 unrelated results in F95. Who made it?
no horses
Garbage.
Who can even compete?
IT'S OUT
doesnt that game get a shit ton of micro updates but still not finished?
How big is it?
I feel like you have to be extremely Indian to actually get turned on by those ugly ass sameface 3D WEGs
tfw i actually like gobbos and have jerked to tons of gobbo WEGs
holiday island is my personal fave, total gobbo slop but my pleb cock don't care
This entire image is fucking hideous, jesus christ
The first few were novel but seeing the exact same models being recycled...
It's fun to see something different.
Anime style gets boring.
Light of my Life is one of my favorites. Gobbomaxxed. I will check out Holiday island.
It's this one but I'm gonna keep an eye on that one
why cant I view the thread on lewdcorner, do you have to pay for access or something
Yes.
Several hundred dollars in fact.
You can do that
I don't like games with father daughter incest. I want to molest random teens, not ones related to me.
Why does this image remind me of the goblins from Light of My Life?
I don't like games with random teens. I want to molest my own daughter, my own flesh and blood.
235
Babby numbers
Daughter's flirty friends are the real treat
That one WEG where you fuck your mother and sister and aunt in the spaceship and its all in first person view in freeroam was pretty great up till the tentacle cuck shit.
Name?
Last Hope iirc
gooners love it
No, we don't.
Could also be Tales from the unending void, but it's not first person
New to WEGs, any good ones with milfs? Preferably heavy on POV shots I like those.
is oialt worth playing if i liked eternum?
oppai odyssey is the superior space weg
Milfy city is enjoyable while it lasts
look no further
Dreams of Desire.
It has been completed(a rare thing on the WEG scene)
mom/son/sisters focus.
only 1 NTR scene(avoidable)
only 1 black character, he's a total bro that intive you to spitroast his mom(Marcus cured my racism)
one of my favorites, also from the same person:
Midnight Paradise.
I always just help ya boy Marcus to bang his own family while I bang mine
True bros, I'd never cuck him
Here is my stash
I didn't confirm everything yet but every green check is finished
That spine
Kino
holiday island is my personal fave, total gobbo slop but my pleb cock don't care
It does have a lot of hot women and a lot of content, I just hate the grind.
Yes. Scenes aren't as good looking because it's running on an older version of HS, but it's still got the heart and soul of Eternum.
best WEGs where men fuck traps?
Honey Kingdom?
Lilith's Throne?
Free Cities you can make whatever you want, traps, futas, femboys, full on MtFs
Yes, it's good
This one is so bad. Plot goes at a breakneck pace cos of the insanely slow update schedule. Also all of the heroines are bat shit insane.
Is Eterenum really THAT good? I played Once in a Lifetime and while I liked it I think it is a really overrated game.
It had a lot of what I like, tho. Harem and Incest kino
It's got a crazy high production value, it looks good and the sex scenes feel earned, if that makes sense.
Eternum is overrated, it's just that the bar for wegs is set so low that it's still the best out there. The plot is mediocre but it can be funny when it wants to be. The girls, scenes, and animations are very good. Love Penny.
It improves on Once in a Lifetime in almost every single way. Really the main issue Eternum has is that it cut the incest because kiketreon.
By far the most cringe I've ever experienced from playing a weg.
You haven't played enough WEGs then
nah I've played plenty
Not enough clearly.
Name literally 2 WEGS
more than enough I assure you
uh... shit you got me
new .05 update to Hooked!
dev just added fishing minigame
heh
anyways, waiting for future update to Mall Creeps. first releases were kinda buggy but the models were hot/unique
traps
GAAAAAAAAY.
Not that good, the girls are really hot, the rest is whatever.
fishing minigame
Is there anyone who enjoys this shit
I see it posted all the time is this dragon ball z of WEGs?
the only game I ever enjoyed fishing was Stardew, it requires skill and is very profitable early game. Animal Crossing fishing is fine but too much RNG based and not much gameplay.
the problem with fishing in other games is that it's a time-sinker with no reward.
seemed like it was more of a gag/quick addition to add with some bug fixes and finishing the chapter officially, i think. no idea.
good start to a weg overall but updates are becoming slower with less content, same exact shit My Pig Princess pulled.
My game is a WEG!
No, I mean in general. Why do WEGs so often go for the boring as fuck fishing minigame? It's not relaxing at all, it's just boring unfun grind that stands in the way of my porn. If I wanted to fish I can do it IRL.
Playin Tales of Androgyny and Star Knightess Aura (my two favorites rn)
I'm waiting for Summers Gone update desu. The game is ok/good at best but I have an unhealthy relationship with Bella. Makes me feel like the weebs from 15 years ago that were obsessed with a single waifu. I love her so much.
Usually it exists as a money-making scheme to help pad out the game so users aren't speedrunning through content. Same concept is applied to most other mini-games. Not saying they're fun or whatever, but yeah.
The alternative is that god-awful pizza selling minigame in SS, lel.
Thoughts?
1) Copying other WEGs and Indie games that did it before them
2) Fishing memes
I barely ever see fishing minigames
I like Warlock and Boobs. Wish it would update faster
Way too grindy, but the sex scenes were good last time I checked. Granted, it was 6 years ago.
So is there an audience of people out there who only play wegs of 00s era action cartoons? Cause every notable show seems to have a renpy of them
The wegs I've played in my life:
Dating My Daughter
I couldn't read the lines for long, and at a certain point I just started holding CTRL to see the images and try to deduce what was going on
Summertime Saga
I think the memes are unfair, Summertime Saga isn't bad from the point of view of eroticism, what's really bad is the 'game' part of it, with those minigames, fetch quests, etc. And the many bugs. It's quite painful to play because of these problems and I'd rather it was just a normal visual novel.
The Twist
It's 3D in real time and the characters look like they've come out of GTA 3. It's difficult to play because nothing is intuitive.
Big Brother
The 'game' part makes it unplayable like the others, and the eroticism also fails completely after a certain point.
Treasure of Nadia
Another example of gameplay getting in the way. What I've found is that authors of wegs seem to think that just doing an interactive story with sex is something bad or something...
They're mostly trainer games and I'm 90% sure it's just one guy making them.
You seem incapable of understanding the difference between a strict VN (DMD) and games with gameplay elements. Which is also weird because in the one game with no gameplay, you skipped the dialogue. So there's no pleasing you I guess.
What I've found is that authors of wegs seem to think that just doing an interactive story with sex is something bad or something...
I couldn't read the lines for long, and at a certain point I just started holding CTRL to see the images and try to deduce what was going on
feminizing the hero in warlock and boobs is kino
God you sound insufferable
find weg with nice art
v0.5b
check how often it updates
last update was 2 months ago, one before that was 4 months prior
dev's last post was mentioning life issues or depression or some similar bs
It's always like that, to the point where I think the genre might legitimately be cursed.
too bad every single fucking WEG is a cuck game by default, because you just watch another dude having sex all the time
Do your cuck fantasies affect your perception of reality?
The word for that is voyeurism, dipshit
masturbating while watching another man fuck women is cuckshit whether you like it or not.
This is the argument that cuckfags or yurincels use, every time, without fail.
NGL It's my favorite part. The risk of rape is kino
this, a true man masturbate while watching a man fucking a man!
o/
cope however you want. If you're playing anything but POV scenes then you're either gay or a cuckold, no other options.
Can't appreciate a good superhero story without masking himself in irony
What a nigger you are
LonaRPG
chink shit up threads on Anon Babble for ages, he deserved everything he got
I can appreciate a good superhero story, not sure how any of that applies to this dogshit weg though.
Not enough male MC games let you sissify your enemies
What service do u use?
It's impossible to read the dialogues in Dating My Daughter because they're terrible. The author clearly doesn't have much talent for holding the player's attention with dialogues, but he also didn't want to just make a simple, straightforward game about incest (probably because he had to keep milking his patrons).
Sorry if I hurt your sensibilities about wegs, you faggot;
No that's voyeurism again
You're not wrong—so many of these devs seem ashamed of making straight smut, like they want to pretend it's "deep interactive fiction" to justify it. But then the writing can't carry it and you're left either skipping through with CTRL or suffering through middle school-tier prose. If you're gonna make porn, own it.
Well typically the pathology of a WEG author is just like that. Imagine you're someone who wants to make a game. You don't have the talent for that and you're a porn addict.
So you end up making a porn game.
You're not driven. You're depressed because your life sucks. You need money. And you have a non-existent moral barometer.
Voila. You're a the average WEG author.
If you're extra depressed and self-loathing, you're probably making WEG with NTR or Cucked shit, too.
It's not cursed. It's just how it goes with WEG.
but he also didn't want to just make a simple, straightforward game about incest
so you want no nuances or complexities in your weg, just a daughter walking through the door, saying hi to the dad, and fucking her. which is whatever, but at least own this stupid line of thinking that would turn every game into 1-2 chapters.
don't know why i'm even engaging with someone who hates everything about wegs. maybe just stick to porn dude since you don't care to read dialogue or have any gameplay elements.
it's not cursed
Explain my graphics card and my SSD dying after starting my weg.
Because not everyone is a fag
I'm making a Weg but it's completely vanilla, more like a relationship sim than a pure porn game and no there won't be any incest or weird NTR/ Cuckold shit and cheating will be in optional and there will be negative consequences for doing so.
He's a total retard just stop engaging with him.
putin invading ukraine was the best thing to happen to this
Nothing straighter than destroying a weaker man
Read what I wrote properly, fag. I think the author of DMD specifically should do something to the point because he doesn't have the talent to create drama between scenes. He tries to create long dialogues and parallel stories with the characters but it's all extremely painful, it's like reading bad fan fiction that doesn't have any charm.
If he wrote interesting and entertaining things, then I wouldn't be complaining that the game has too much text.
Unironically Virt a Mate if you can deal with the dogshit UI. It's basically WEG Koikatsu/Honey Select. A sandbox you can play with and tons of user made scenarios. It's even better if you have VR.
UPDATE WHEN??
qrd?
Anyway to get a weg on the oculus quest 2?
retard
Topping a man and sticking your penis in shit is ACKchyually STRAIGHT
Yeah, fuck off faggot
You're a Zesty homosexual.
I am once again asking for anons recommendations on 2D WEGs, none of that disgusting 3D shit.
he doesn't force his bottoms to fast for a few days first
ngmi
sci-fi weg
alien rape slime is made of latex
Unfathomably based
pov is still cuckoldry, you are not actually fucking anyone you coping cuck
Souper Game
There are third party programs to turn the quest into PCVR but you need a cable
man, this is one of the main problems in weg, they often forget they're making a porn videogame and not a videogame with some porn in it
AI Slopa art
no thanks
Being alive is cuckshit. You are actively breathing in air from women being fucked not by you.
Hmm it does 3d porn well. Maybe I will just leave it alone
In life, you are either a bottom or a top.
fucking a woman is actually cuck and gay because she is being fucked by a man, and fucking men is gay.
2d is garbage, only 3d is worth it
Japs are the only porn devs that I've seen that have done the "video game with porn in it" well enough. Turns out the secret is using a simple artstyle and the biggest sin every WEG does is "feature bloat" There was one turn based porn game that was just a simple you get femdom'd during battle. Devs decided to turn it into a fucking open world rpg with equipment and missing the point of why people liked it
f-fucking men is gay actually
You're one of the men at risk of recieving a fucking
Most jap porn games are glorified CG hunts and they've only just relatively recently begun to dig themselves out of that hole using Unity.
buying a weg at all is a form of economic cuckoldry, you are literally paying an indian or a russian to help you come
Lockdown Dom
Rogue-Like Evolution(only if you NEVER played it before)
Deep Vault 69
Academy34 with the canon names patch
18 Titans
4 Elements Trainer
Having sex with a woman is cuckoldry. You are just a wimpy wet bitch brain in a head watching your cock fucking a chick.
I disagree heavily, the best porn game out there is Badik and it's made by a Swede. Good gameplay, good music, good atmosphere, top tier writing, top tier, love interests, good animations. It is the gold standard and when it's finally finished in a year or two it'll be like the magna carta of Wegs.
(only if you NEVER played it before)
Why? It's just as good on repeat playthroughs.
So? I pay lots of foreigners to help me cum
DAZ harem shit
wow the mc is on a wacky sex filled adventure
You couldn't pick a worse example.
good gameplay
top tier writing
good animations
LMAO
No non-whore has tats like that.
It reminds me the every woman with nipple piercings has posted their tits online and that any woman with a nose piercing or non-traditional piercing is more likely to post nudes.
It gets ultra repetitive every time you need to start from the beginning and with the amount of girls added now actually unlocking them all is a fucking time drainer. Getting to the point where you can do anything with any girl in public is the end goal, but it takes so much goddamn time.
No incest because of Patreon
Kino
Pick one?
Corrupting innocent girls is somewhat kino and NLT has very good iterations of that, but the lack of incest past the first two games is felt.
harem shit
One of the loudest complaints was having to go around and tell girls you can't have a harem
last one i liked was project myriam
That's Serenity, right? That dev, I swear.
You are not TRUE ROMANS
i'm the guy you're replying to, i used "wegs" because we're talking about wegs, but nope, you are completely wrong
jap games have the same kinds of problems, maybe even worse
while japanese porn videogames have less "gameplay" elements in the way, they have way way way more text, if i had to make the same statement that i made but about japanese porn videogames i would say that japanese wegs often forget they're making a porn videogame and not a 1000 pages novel with some porn in it
most japanese porn videogames are unplayable to me
When Rogue barges in my room but both Laura and Kitty have finally started giving me some leeway in the bedroom:
is it bad to be a bottom? (t. submissive man)
retard opinion. disgusting 3D gobos are disgusting.
Yes, and not only that it's one of the most popular Wegs. The anticipation for a new Season is unlike anything else in the goonosphere.
Romans weren't gay, that's a lie created by a homosexual man in the 1970s and repeated by pop culture because thinking is too difficult.
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3d is good, you have all the tools to not make a gobbo, if the character comes out gobbish that's a skill issue
yes, it wasnt gay for a roman man to fuck a slave in the ass
What do you think about this one? Crimson High. It is very high rated among WEGslop enjoyers
Nothing outs a midwit more than posting a grifter "historian" for their opinion.
shitty cartoon style
thanks anon will look into these suggestions.
Why should I try this one? What fetishes are there?
I'm kinda tired of the anime school setting, too.
WEGs
Ok sure
Goblina 3DCG WEGs
What the fuck is wrong with people? Why is 70% of F95 this garbage? Who unironically likes this shit?
It's a shallow but inoffensive harem game, it's rated high because it's not completely unintelligible ESLshit which is enough to instantly get >4 stars
Badik? OH! Being a DIK. Yeah I'll give the creator this, they made regular updates and completed the game. It was one of the first so it can get away with a lot but it absolutely does not appeal to me at all.
You're Zesty homosexuals upset that your fantasy of ancient Romans was in fact just that, a fantasy, an illusion made up by a guy in the 1970s and parroted by low iq retards for 5 decades. Zesty.
Spread cheeks and prepare to receive Jupiter's cock in ass
Midwit proves that homosexuality in the modern conscious of Rome comes from Entertainment television.
Methinks the sissy doth protest too much, bend over
What fetishes are there?
So far seems to be about Vampires and some other monster which the girls are. If you're into that
Last time I tried it there was only like one bangable girl, the cat one. Everything was fine, but the blueball is real for a couple of the one's I was actually interested in, unless it's way more done now.
That's really gay, you're really gay and retarded.
I see you know eccma by his old drawfag name, I recognize you as a fellow true oldfag.
this distinction is important. Another good example would be, a game like Stellar Blade, but imagine if sometimes if Eve got held by a monster it would start licking her all over and using tentacles to molest her, Versus a game solely designed around fucking different creatures to Impregnate them and then even cross breeding them with items that affect the offspring etc. Or a rhythm game where you fuck the girl to the beat, pic related.
Any Jobeo games. Dude is literally insane and made a scene of a black supremacist feminist killing a white baby in one of his games, the game was erased from f95 after that. He vanished, though. So all his games are incomplete.
The Japanese are the most prolific creators of porn games, trust me when I say there are a lot of shit ones. If WEGs love Ren.Py Japs LOVE RPGMaker. And not even a good version of RPG maker, they will use the recent ones.
I don't know if I like this guy for pissing these raceplay faggots off
Or if I hate him for making it in the first place
also I'm black and I hate that raceplay queen of spades bullshit
Race play shit is funny and cringe. I wish i could find that video/webm I once saw on Anon Babble that someone put together of the chick talking about ending the white race over images of like black birthrate statistics and interracial porn with spooky music it was funny as fuck.
Yes very hilarious rabbi
give this thread some love too
I promise anons, someday I will make my snu-snu game.
t. man who was cucked by a black guy
I feel bad for you anon, keep pushing through the pain, someday you'll meet the right girl :)
Does it have preg?
No it would have to be a 2D specific WEG thread for me to care
I can't get into most Koikatsu wegs that have the bighead moe artstyle. Need them more like Tropicali with big titty meat hags. Will play that one if that has them
Shalom
I momentarily read this as sorting to show first those wegs made by "complete faggot"
I liked the daughters a lot more than Mommy. If they had given her a German accent I would have liked her the best.
I hope A.I. lets me turn this into a weg
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Light of my life would be so much better if the Goblinas looked like that.
2025
no game about impregnating a tribe of female goblins and acquiring more wives
I like how uggo they are. Adds authenticity to me.
Something about young breedable uggos
Closest you can get is Goblin Layer.
still need to go finish up my being a dik saves before mothballing WEGs for awhile
though i say that while still downloading new updates of other games i'm playing
Summertime Saga
I think the memes are unfair, Summertime Saga isn't bad from the point of view of eroticism, what's really bad is the 'game' part of it, with those minigames, fetch quests, etc. And the many bugs. It's quite painful to play because of these problems and I'd rather it was just a normal visual novel.
What you gotta remember (and what I wish the creators would also remember) is that STS came out almost 14 years ago. It was one of the first to try and so the creators did a bunch of stuff that seemed like a good idea at the time, likely inspired by how some japanese games do things like Persona. It is definitely something that they should have removed in they're remake of it (and probably moved to a new game engine too) but alas.
Other WEG creators will copy STS because of how successful it is and they really shouldn't because for all it did right it did even more wrong. I have give it a lot of thought and spoken to other anons about this, I think if you're making your porn game in Ren.Py, which is made for visual novels, you should try to stick to that and not attempt to have a fucking DDR mini game or some shit. Funnily enough, this lesson could have been learned earlier by looking at the game "Leisure Suit Larry: Magna Cum Laude" which has pretty funny story beats and writing but is weighed down by worthless button input mini games.
did a nuclear bomb go off?
there was one daughter, I think it was Daniela(RIP)? hem had this one voice line that was in the demo and didnt come up as much in the actual game "Uhhnn...so thirsty..." that line always activated my neuron.
I wanna make fantasy Leisure Suit Larry where you're a male goblin trying to bang fantasy women.
Peasant's Quest does this to some degree
You do get a least 1 daughterwife :)
You just want to be spoonfed, huh?
I know, fren. But I need more. I wish the whole damn game was focused on it.
That one river goblin is best girl
I need to look it up. Daniela was the one I liked the best too I think.
black supremacist feminist killing a white baby
Okay, but do you rape her as punishment?
grab a few versions of Lady Dee in VAM
the tallest one is too fucked up with the bones causing her to creep around with a bad case of lumbar lordosis and salad fingers
the normalized versions are fine but they have a higher chance of getting borked during the animations because her massive thighs clipped into the dude's pelvis briefly. Turning them both into a pair of human perpetual motion machines
I wouldn't have the patience to try and diagnose half the bullshit that pops up in these scenes when making slight adjustments. Slamming your dick in a door would be less damaging to your overall psyche.
Sauces for both?
gob bra is the lower jaw of an ork nob with a pair of leather straps holding it up
Lul
As popular as 3D models are for giantess stuff (since forever) my game would be 2D. I also dont think I could make it a VN because part of the attraction is seeing the size difference. in a VN you have those portraits that slide around everywhere and dont give you the proper sense of scale. It would have to be all Art work which is expensive.
fuck off retard and learn to read words.
is Midnight Paradise still ongoing? I rember watching a no-commentary letsplay of it on xvideos but all of a sudden the channel stopped uploading.
(easier to skip filler +cba unlocking all scenes)
Thats the one where MC investigates a drug trade in the city, right? and theres like a russian bitch whos a mafia boss, and you buy a warehouse and turn it into an office
1st is being a dik
BaDIK since I haven't played it in a couple of years.
Always reminds me how 99% of WEGs don't even try to have story, so BaDIK feels amazing despite having really basic renders/mediocre animations.
Any good incest kino?
It's pretty kino.
Most of the popular ones do. Just need to get a patch from f95
Peasant's Quest has both daughterwives and a sister wife.
Any games with polish and actual gameplay?
Things like Karryn's Prison or Sengoku Rance.
The Sims 3 and 4
Book of Lust
Skyrim
a town uncovered
Eh, maybe? If it wasn't such a massive endeavor to get a full setup running.
Skyrim sucks with or without mods.
Seeds of Chaos
don't recommend abandoned, half-finished slop.
Monster Mind
but it's funny to mislead anons who can't search
Not really, incest in wegs is so shit that it's largely killed my interest in the fetish
If it wasn't such a massive endeavor to get a full setup running.
Eh, it's mostly just tedious to get animations, clothes, hairstyles and stuff like that.
For me it's a continuous process, I don't really consider myself "done" with every download.
There's still a pretty healthy amount of stuff before you start going nuts.
Both of my favs in this post Both games have a caveat though. If you're fully straight you won't enjoy Tales of Androgyny (it has the best weg gameplay by far imo but still). If you play Star Knightess Aura you need to play it on hard or nightmare. The point of the game is that the H is NOT in the combat like Karryns Prison, but it's there as a crutch to corrupt you when the game gets too hard. If you need to beat a difficult boss or you're low on gold for a spell you can do slutty shit, so you need to play it on hard or nightmare so that it's actually hard enough. Also its a super super slow burn corruption. Both games have more than 20 hours of content and one of them is completed.
Third Crisis is also pretty good, and much less of a slow burn than Aura, if you don't wanna wait to get a nut.
i wouldn't recommend that game. the tips are so badly described and the rng to get stats is the dev's plan to pad the play time. wait for a more polished tips first so you really know what to do, some events only happen once a week and is easily missable. and seriously adding rng to get stats? event take stats points by the way, they take like 10 strenght points for an event for example and you add a 50% chance to get strength when grinding?
he's not cheating
the fuck are you doing son
Only peak retards want gameplay
i like the game play in general. management and dating sims mix well together. i just didn't know the game is shit.
if you're not straight you won't enjoy futa
Trying my hard not to write a huge reply to this but I don't want to derail the thread. 1 girl + 1 girl with dick > 1 girl + 1 guy, simple maffs. (I know ToA is technically a femboy, but unfortunately that's the case with 99% of futa games for some awful reason)
I despise ToA, though. It's such a fucking mess in every single sense. In progression, the combat system, the visuals, I really, actually hate it.
Why would I not want gameplay when playing a game?
Why would I not just look at porn if I didn't want actual gameplay in my game?
I will never ever understand people who play porn games and then just get a 100% save and look at the CG. Seems like a waste of time.
playing games for the "gameplay"
t. Dr Cuckmann
Only one I ever played I forget the name of, but it was about getting back with your ex wife but instead you just fuck you’re daughters one of who was clearly like twelve years old but was ‘18’ for legal reasons I’d assume, then eventually your sister shows up and you fuck her too of course.
eruption imminent waiting room
I will never ever understand people who play porn games and then just get a 100% save and look at the CG. Seems like a waste of time.
i dont get it either i can only assume they do not know you can just look up the CGs elsewhere online.
sounds like SSP
Monkey Business
I would normally agree that futa isn't necessarily gay, but like 90% of the sexual content in ToA is a femboy (You) taking dick in the ass and throat, and a portionof that dick isn't even from futas it's just men. I just don't think most people who are completely straight would enjoy themselves much.
Unlike other things I love, I understand people who don't like the ToA artstyle (it's unique but I enjoy it) or the Combat. I love the combat though, I think it makes other gameplay wegs like purple cop kinda look like dogshit in terms of just battles. I made a build where all I do is grab enemies and judo throw them onto the ground and choke them until they die, or another build where I used magic to get enemies drunk and raped them until they were mindbroken enough to automatically give me the win. It's a tough game but when you understand the system combat is v fun imo. Don't even get me started on the actual game content.
1 girl + 1 girl with dick > 1 girl + 1 guy
Nah, it's either you self inserting as the futa(which is gay and trans-related) or you enjoying an impossible dick-haver fucking someone you're attracted to, which is cuck-related. It's gay as shit. And any argument you're trying to pull is simply you angrily shouting at people from deep within your closet.
One could even try to argue it's close enough to yuri which is also pretty gay but that's obviously impossible because of the dick's existence.
based
That and Going Over are my two current futa kinos.
SSP
implying anyone is supposed to know what that means
Nah, it was all blonde bitches.
lurk more newfag
How are these consistently so unerotic? Is it western devs just using shitty professional porn as references?
Self-inserting is shit.Games don't give you enough control for you to self insert properly.
you enjoying an impossible dick-haver fucking someone you're attracted to, which is cuck-related
...We're talking about fictional characters, anon. They're not real. No one is fucking your waifu.
Again, it sounds like you just cannot do anything other than self-insert, which means you can't enjoy 99% of stuff out there.
It's just a bewildering concept to me. If we follow your logic, looking at ANY porn is NTR, because technically you're looking at images some sweaty, balding nerd in his fifties made to get you off. Isn't that really fucking gay, anon?
The diverging routes of BAD ruined the game for me. I liked it more when exploring meant 'finding girls and fucking them', but when you're on a route, you just... search for stuff until you get back with your girl. There's no new conquest to it, at least the last chapter I played.
Having chatbots take over also made it far more fun to actually play with a bot than deal with a protag and their dumb choices.
The Last Sovereign. It's very akin to Rance in that it's game foremost with porn being your break from dealing with the game mechanics, but instead of a complex strategy game, it's a JRPG and nation builder, with the former being fairly straightforward but the latter having autism levels of choices and consequences that most games could only dream of.
Expand on your weg horizons
i'm holding out hope that Having A HARD Time can turn into a bit of slight kino, but it's trying i guess.
Becoming a Femboy is also a strange, strange game but a couple of scenes are hot. that, plus the artstyle which looks AI but isn't + russian typos make it a fun fap from time to time.
does this game still throw you into NTR paths out of nowhere even with it disabled?
why do almost all milfs in wegs have perfect bodies? i want them to have mombods ffs
The silliest.
They all use the same incredibly shitty, outdated software and models. Most games barely edit the models. It's why you see pic related in like 50 different games.
Laziness, basically. And to a lesser degree, actually posing characters, facial expressions, and shot composition, all are legitimate skills that take practice and most devs suck hard at them.
I'll give it a try, but I'm not expecting much from RPGM.
Nothing against RPGM, RPGM games can be pure kino, but most devs half-ass all the assets.
Awesome argument. You proved me right. You brought up
images some sweaty, balding nerd in his fifties
yourself, unprompted, the second someone called you gay. That's really some awful projection, there.
this dude will honk all the monsters to death won't he
Same reason every MC has a 12 foot long dick.
Porn brain unironically fucked people's tastes completely.
Is there a WEG where the women are actually properly proportioned?
Why do you fetishize ugliness?
mombods take more work to model on daz
fetishize ugliness
fake blonde barbie bimbo shit is ugly too
says awesome argument, then completely ignores the argument
Yeah, alright bud. I'd do the whole 'you're obviously closeted' thing but if you're not even going to put in effort, it's wasted keystrokes.
Unironically, I recommend following a guide for the kingdom management stuff at least, otherwise you'll get fucked because you didn't invest in the right things, some of which you have minimal ways of knowing. The porn is pretty decent and well written, but understand that you will be going hours between fuck sessions once you're past the early game and the dev lets their autism really blossom.
are you mentally ill? wegs fetishize ugliness by giving women massive fantastical balloon tits, its ugly an abhorrent
Play STWA: Unbroken. I'd recommend that to everyone here who plays weg vns regardless (because it's the the best/second best ever) but also damn near every girl in that game has realistic proportions. There's a prequel game but it's not necessary outside of a few refrences and callbacks.
seeing shit like this makes me realize the bar must be incredibly fucking low if people can get an erection looking at this shit.
I find the extra-gene gobbo faces what makes them responsive though.
I'm pretty sure the ntr switch is broken, I play with it on and never found any issues since I make all the choices but I've seen others complaining about getting cucked after disabling it, my guess is the dev coded some choices wrong and never fixed it
I always wanted to impregnate Roxxy's mom.
you gay?
Is there any preg in that game yet?
Yeah it used to just force NTR scenes on you with multiple girl paths, almost felt like the dev did it on purpose too
you gay?
does sucking your mom's penis count as gay?
don't worry you'll develop a taste once your frontal lobe forms
We all did.
Minus some minor ESL bullshit (sister didn't know if she was older or younger at times, misused pronouns) I enjoyed this
You're the guy asking for "mombods", but you hate big boobs? What the fuck are you even after?
Is it fat blobs or are you a different kind of retarded fetishist?
i have taste because i find hideous 3D Daz model attractive
ngmi
Update: I've spent the last few months coming up with a new way to build content, meaning from now on, updates will be quicker and content will roll out faster!
Last updated: 9 months ago
2 girls
ignore him, hes retard posting.
wdym anon, 9 moths is faster than 5 years!
spitroast scene with best bro
Indubitably based
let's see what you like... unless you're some kind of beta male who's afraid of an anonymous opinion
back to your containment general:
It's mostly situations and my own imagination
t. can jack off to corruption of champions and free cities
Sadly, my artist is stuck doing some things right now. It's going to be delayed for about a month. Sorry, anon...
based JonTron
where do you find artists if you are making a WEG?
But anon, only single game cucks use Anon Babble
Someday...
You're still playing text based games? In the age of LLMs?
I got bored of having to restart every time because the new scenes and entire paths are locked behind a very minor choice that are halfway through the game so now I just use the gallery patch to watch the new scenes every update
I'm not familiar with them
I only thought those things are neutered versions of chatbots
Alright, I ask every time these threads pop up. Trying to find a web-based WEG that I played a while back. It's primarily a side-scrolling metroidvania-sort-of game, it opens with your bus breaking down in the desert, you end up at, like, a castle? I played the demo and I want to play the full thing but this was years ago.
Beg me
APPARENTLY there are some good sexy chat bot whatevers over on chub ai or something, and you can download a LLM player onto your computer and run a chatbot locally that has a built in work around to get sexy stories out of it but there still might be some messing about you need to do if you want specific fetishes.
but for the SAARS! of the world it is probably perfect just for
The woman with big bobs looks at you
she is horny
she suk ur dik
her bobs r still big
u cum in her mouf
ur dic is huge
You have to keep up, old man. AI would vividly describe how your cum leaks out of their used pussy without any issues, even if the character is your own 14 year old sister.
No, though I will gladly wait for the next thread to find out. It's just really frustrating. No amount of Googling has helped.
it opens with your bus breaking down in the desert
thats pretty specific, feel like i would have seen that. Cant think of any though.
Which ones?
Could I get a recommendation? I'd like to fuck around with one, if I could
Maybe some day.
it's not free, don't bother
anything you'd be able to run locally is garbage
I found out that for complete newfags the easiest route is to install SillyTavern, connect it to openrouter and just use one of the free models (current fotm is Deepseek v3 0324).
I'll even give you the master file to import so you don't even have to fuck with the settings: drive.google.com
AI would vividly describe how your cum leaks out of their used pussy without any issues
the only issue being that it will use the same verbiage every time unless you train it not to
even if the character is your own 14 year old sister.
not only do the AIs not understand quantity, they will recognize the number is not 18 and say no to your request because even "unlocked" AIs refuse to make underage stuff. and incest stuff too i have heard.
Again, they're great for vanilla shit though.
F95, of course! There's a recruitment forum.
I mean, I can use stable diffusion so I already could, if I wanted to...
I found out that for complete newfags the easiest route is to install SillyTavern
i have heard the opposite. a person thats really into this stuff says to just stick with LLMplayer or whatever its called. Says SillyTavern is for people that want to make LLM chat bot porn their weekend hobby because of all the options and cards and bullshit.
I'll even give you the master file to import so you don't even have to fuck with the settings
that might make it easier.
i can't tell if this is a joke. Im not being a dick either I really don't know. I have heard stories of artist cutting and running before the project was finished and the creator had to find another guy to help them.
anon just open up f95 and look on the homepage yourself, it's not exactly something that takes 20 hours to accomplish.
i wonder how many generations that was. My experience with generating images with SD has been mixed. It took a lot of time to set up and then I kinda got good results? doing it on a pay website was a little better but I havent done it in a long time and recently went back to try again and I had already forgotten all the definitions of things and how to prompt for what I want so...
Angel Under
I've posted there and contributed some stuff to it, but I have not looked at that part of the site. That post suggesting it just felt a little sarcastic is all.
I just generated it in five seconds, just now.
It's just knowhow, mainly. Most checkpoints these days just 'get it' unless you're looking for something extremely specific.
Maybe it used to be like that, but nowadays you can jailbreak even Claude 3.7: pixibots.neocities.org
You only need LLM studio only if you want to run a model locally. If you're gonna use openrouter like I've suggested, you just need an interface and SillyTavern excels at it, all you need to do is to grab a couple cards from chub.ai and drink enough water to not die from dehydration during the next couple hours.
It might look extremely complicated but I swear you'll be able to set it all up in 10 minutes.
Oh nice, that looks cool, noted.
Took you long enough, son
he doesn't know
I could never get it to give me Raven siting with her legs crossed floating in the air, cape flowing behind her.
I did get some other decent stuff, I was wondering how long until we started seeing AI art in WEGs but so far its only been a few and it hasnt been good.
Also, im just gonna say it, i dont like the idea of stealing another artists style to the point where it looks like I've just copy and pasted their art into my shitty game. I might as well go to a Hentai website and download the in game CGs and use them in my own game at that point.
Angel Under
Holy shit, thank you. I've been looking for this shit for years. THANK YOU.
you can get the endings, but there's gonna be an update to add more sandbox scenes.
Why are you spoon-feeding these retards?
too much, the perfect difference in height is achieved when your face is at the height of her breats, while she's barefoot
Based. You're not wrong anon but thats just "Tall woman/Short guy" which is a thing and is still hot but I just want to focus on a more fantastical setting with literal Giant women (that are also maybe aliens).
Because nothing kills fandom faster than gatekeeping and I want AI ERP to be thriving
go be bitter and angry somewhere else
Took me some fernagling but I got it. Again, know-how.
I know what you mean but the beauty of AI is that you can very easily blend a multitude of art styles and influences to create something new.
That's without going into the whole argument that every single creation is heavily based and influenced by something that came before it. Everything is iterative, AI is no different.
NLT
Anal focus
Hag focus
Quantity over quality scenes
Literal slog of a gameplay
No thanks
good image for AI. The DC artstyle is a good one to use since it probably has a lot of training. Maybe i had trouble because of the style I was using, idk. I'd post it but it's nsfw...I'll just edit it. Glad I saved it too because when I went back to Civitai it think they deleted all my raven generations i saved to my vault? I have no clue if their in app generator is any good anymore, apparently there was a lot of conflict over it.
I hope Dark Cookie will add it officially some day.
and when I say DC I meant Dark Co0kie. Not DC comics
He's removing content these days so I wouldn't hold my breath.
He's adding shit back, slowly but surely. He added a new scene when he re added the Debbie stuff.
Parental Love
He's removing content
Good, he needs to remove
All mayor Rump shit.
numerous parody male character actually (Keanu, pool guy, gordon ramsey) Kim jong un can stay that ones funny
pointless un fun mini games
The cow creature
the fish creature (oh god please never ever try to do monster girls DC, jesus)
The entire plot of your dad being murdered by Vladimir putin and all that shit.
It's probably dead, but Stormside had a really strong start.