Are gamers or games getting dumber?
Are gamers or games getting dumber?
Yeah, that mission was ruined because of that.
For me, it's Flooded District, Clockwork Manor, Dust District and the Bank level in DotO
No it's because playtesting is the only job unskilled retards can get.
Have been for decades. Half-Life 2 was also dumbed down because testers had troubles with it.
qrd?
I think it's the playtesters who have always remained dumb no matter what. Even before this particular playtester failure, there were the playtesters who couldn't find their way out of a circular cave in Half-Life 2.
if only you knew how bad things really are
Lady Boyle's Party is a mission where there are 3 masked women and only one of them is the target. It's a cool concept but they made it way too easy, there's like 50 different ways of finding out which one is which.
Flooded District is a pure kino "You lose your shit and have to start over again against hard enemies" level. Excellent atmosphere.
Clockwork Manor is a gimmicky level but very well done and really fun
Dust District is just a well done non-linear open level that also has a cool logic puzzle at the start that just lets you completely bypass the whole level if you do it
And the Bank level is another really well done level that reminded me a lot of the best levels in Thief 2
But then when Dark Souls does it. WHOAMG BESTEST series EVERA
In GoW: Ragnarok your companion will tell you puzzle solution the moment you look at it because the devs watched DSP struggling in their previous game.
a single playtester gets stuck
"dumb it down"
Fantastic approach.
devs place some rubble in the stairs
ok i can't go upstairs
devs place a guard
somehow i'm supposed to know i can go upstairs
playing as an assassin
listen to what the guards tell you
for me its the whale processing factory from the dlc
Its more that game devs have made games so dumbed down and linear when the game tells you not to do something you just assume you really' can't do it and otherwise you'll be walking into an invisible wall. Arkane being one of the rare devs that are the exception.
So I would say it both game devs and gamers fault here. Mostly game devs though, or rather publishers who want soulless dumb products for maximum shekel harvesting.
wants to go up
oy, mate. Do you got a loicense for dat?
I have to say I only ever used a hint in the first GoW because Atreus told me to throw the axe at the trees and nothing happened when I did so. A moment later he said "the trees with white trunks". They should have made those hints in Ragnarok like that, not instantaneous like they became in the final game. Also your helper wouldn't shut the fuck up about it.
Childhood is blaming big publishers for games being ruined.
Adulthood is blaming consumers.
If the average consumer demanded challenging games and demonstrated an openness to experiment and learn, the big publishers would deliver that.
unironically playing God of Cuckery
Anon, I...
I could walk over rubble as an assassin too. A lot of exploring in videogames is just trying to guess what the limits of the game are
I think the original quote is "the tree with white trunk", but if you miss once or twice, he'll clarify it as "the tree with white trunk and orange leaves". It's not even that weird, a lot of people didn't see that tree against the background.
I mean, I get why they wouldn't go upstairs if a guard told them, but at some point they would have run out of options and tried to go upstairs wouldn't they?
Are these playtesters really this dumb?
Doesn't the stalker dude approach you if you pass near him too?
I guess that's the help they added after the playtest.
He's also required for the non-lethal route so I'm not sure how true that is.
It's both.
same, i tried to play the game but even with the the option to tell them to shut up, it's like they manually input each quote into the shut up and left some of them out
get into room
look at literally 1 piece of the puzzle and pan around for what you're supposed to do
character speaks up, sometimes outright saying the answer
kratos still climbs extremely slowly so they can have talky sections
fuck man i know 2018 god of BOI had it's problems but it was still fine and probably would have benefitted from some large panning shots of their admittedly beautiful environments
I hold more contempt for gamers than I do of basically any other group I can think of, and yes they are getting dumber.
In that Dishonored case while gamers getting dumber might be a small factor, the main issue is games gradually ramping up the handholding over decades until you get something like GoW:Ragnarok. If it doesn't have a quest and map marker gamers have been trained to think it doesn't exist.
I am a fan of GoW but I hate Ragnarok. 2018 is good.
i've had to play some fucked up maps where you basically need to get into the map makers mind and try to get a read on where to go
playing sven coop
can't continue custom map
me and random look at each other and silently agree to search for the way
we both scour the map up and down breaking random shit and pressing e on everything
some random crate that we didn't break for whatever reason was hiding a vent
spam MEDIC! for cave man grunts, he finds me and we both crawl through the vent
spent 20 minutes looking for this thing to get dropped down into a killroom
your wife's son bosses you around while filling the silence with snarky passive aggressive comments
LMAO I'm so glad I didn't fall for the marketing
good god you're dumb
This article is what, like 15 years old?
I think most people liked GoW 2018 because it felt genuine. And like that video above shows, a lot of people didn't see the tree against the background. It's actually a pretty good moment because it's a mistake a player would make.
He became an insufferable little shit in GoW: Ragnarok, though. Every single NPC will berate you as soon as you look at a puzzle piece.
the vast majority of humans today are pure trash. Zoomers are gone intellectually and gen A are literal biological robots.
Unfortunately companies make money by pleasing the masses and the masses are dumb as fuck
calling other people stupid while posting the twitch frog
His funny arc where he goes full schizo because he finds out he's god blooded and completely changes his entire personality for story drama is pretty lame, maybe he should have screamed out the gods name before he killed them.
muffled ZEUUUUS
Gaymers dumber and games as a result
nooooo not a cartoon frog
i'm going iiiiinsane ahhhhhdhsdfhosdfhfweh
lol, you are the perfect newfag NPC. immediately kill yourself after reading this tranny. do it. no one likes you, not even your discord trannys. They ALL talk bad about you behind your back lol
They used him in their presentation on how to make a game "good" to play trough.
No most people are just Hylic NPCs
They have no thought and cannot oppose a command from any authority/grifter
Widespread access to the internet just made their soulrot behavior the norm
is that a fucking tentacle?? I'M GOING INSAAAAAAAANE
also heres what the game looks like on an AMD card that can't do directx ten, i was lucky to get 30 fps during boss fights
Speaking of dishonored let's talk about dishonored 2 haha. Kill all the writers haha and the absolute fucking retard that put bottles and glasses that do nothing LITERALLY everywhere haha.
little bit of column A, little bit of column B.
whoops I meant voice acting
Yes
some players
Journalist. They tend to be the first few ones to play the games so they are the only data point you generally get when a game has to dumb something down or lower difficulty.
Games are getting dumber which is making gamers dumber as well
the answer to your question is both
inferior humans have to be brought into the hobby to increase sales, and they require inferior games
in addition, dishonored is one of the least interesting and least creative games Ive ever had the misfortune to pirate, and thats even considering how mindless stealth games are to begin with
every single enemy in dishonored is 'a human' and each one has multiple, overlapping methods of dispatch
the game has no substance, its just 'watch human die different way hurr hurr hurr'
so for them to comment on player stupidity is on track
zoomers and women become increasing share of playtesters, devs, and buyers
games become retarded, trans, black, and shit
gacha games explode in popularity and players spend an average of 600 dollars each on them
companies increase the price of games by a single mcdonalds hamburger and they start making youtube channels in order to beg people to not buy them because if the games get any more expensive they wont be able to upgrade their iphone this year
Only one solution.
Focus testing was always a mistake because they get the biggest retards who wouldn't even play the game in the first place.
uhhhh the people donating to gacha streamers are in their 40s
entire game you are handheld with highlights indicators popups and all that crap
game turns off the hanholding for no reason for one particular mission
players are confused and report a bug
something you made up, since surveys prove that the primary demo for gacha games are 17-28, literally the zoomer demo.
Not completely related but I think Cid Meier had pretty interesting take on odds and player's expectations. People are not logical creatures and a fair game system doesn't feel fair.
iirc that is commonly attributed to cid meier but is actually from the blog of one of his directors who has a gamedev blog.
Thanks for the correction. Do you know which one?
It's from this talk given by Sid Meier.
youtube.com
Starts at 20:00
Welp, I stand corrected, I'll still try to find what I was thinking of, because the blog has some great info on it.
Lots of Indians play test games. The next time that you feel like a game from a series that you like was dumbed down just know that a saar was probably behind that decision in some way.
Playtesters aren't "gamers", they are the test audience to determine if the game is to hard for idiots and the reason we all suffer
Stop seething, be happy
Okay it was Soren Johnson, One of the designers (for 3 and 4), He has a blog called "designer notes" and his game developer magazine article "water finds a crack" is the one that gets attributed to sid. Its about how players will ruin a game for themselves and blame you, the developer.
you wish
gets insulted
"That's a great way to look at it!"
why are redditors so retarded lmao
DEATHLOOP originally had a non-linear way to kill all of the visionaries.
retards ruined it.
Elden Ring was originally supposed to have the Erdtree at the center and no map (you'd have to know where you are by where you were in relation to the tree).
retards didn't ruin it, Tanimura did, but retards certainly made them take out this one cool feature.
This mission is so good
thanks for the gold, kind stranger!
Every time
Everyone seriously sucks the game off hard and the only thing i can try to say is good about it is the setting
Gameplay wise it's so fucking shallow as you say. It's also ridiculously easy. Corvo starts off overpowered and only gets stronger.
It must be really soul-crushing talking to retards playing your game like the absolute retards they are.
Didn't the devs of GoW Ragnarok use DSP as model for designing the game?
got the video itself?
not the twitch frog
thats banned in my discord as a hate symbol
rightfully so
in RDR2 these motherfucking pigs will tell you to hurry up and do XYZ the moment you get control of your character after a cutscene.
there's a part where you have to blow up the bridge, and I got hint dialogue twice from the time I could move to the time I ran up to the TNT crate.
what the fuck.
you know the wife's son is a shitpost, right? atreus being kratos semen spawn is an essential plot point
4 was actually a pretty good game, surprisingly well written despite some weird points (psycho atreus especially) and the final boss was lame. but ragnarok was a fucking rotten armpit, obnoxioualy written and scared to have anything cool happen storywise.
also fuck angroboda and how she takes you hostage for three hours to do chore and then fight her grandma who has no bearing on the story.
ragnarok was so fucking bad, i even replayed some of 4 just to make sure i wasn't thinking with nostalgia but no, 4 is twenty spans above.
i also did not mind the gameplay change, the og series was more than spent, by ascension i was just tired of it. i wouldnt mind if it returned tho, we need more dumb fun games with gore and tits
Having normalfags test for you is a bad idea. Never make a game for normalfags, if they cry just simply remind them they were filtered.
Considering all the brown turdworlders being either imported to Western countries or hooked up to the internet my moneys on gamers getting dumber
it’s a self-feeding cycle
implying americans haven't been dumb before the global east got internet
I'm going to say the word now.
This.