Is he the worst Souls boss of all time?

Is he the worst Souls boss of all time?

nonsensical hitboxes

lingering hitboxes

extremely poor telegraphing

hyper-aggressive, spammy AI

miserable to fight on foot but if you fight him on the horse you get oneshot by any attack because every attack he has puts you into vulnerable knockdown

The le heckin hardcore game meme ruined this series, this is just unfun and tedious.

Not really. He’s pretty fun. I’d rather fight him than Metyr or Putrescent.

From decided for once they'd do something different and let you fight one major boss on horseback. One. Throw on your best armor and talismans for mounted combat and joust that motherfucker.

summon these guys

he never aggros to me and lets me attack him from a distance

Boss was pretty easy for me anon.

Or scadu avatar. Forgot about that one.

They shouldn't have made it so that every single attack he has is a one-shot against horse riders then, one hit and you get knocked off the horse and then killed while you're still stunned.
That's shit ass nigger game design.

Nah, he's one of my favorite bosses of all time. Tight timings and various strategies using Torrent makes this really great. Shame he's just a stowaway boss left in an unfinished corner of the map, he deserved more valor.

No he's literally absolute fucking kino.

Encourages you to fully utilize the mounted combat gameplay for the first time

Virtually all his moves can be learned and have openings/punishes and are fair IF YOU ARE ON TORRENT

His mount is clearly based on Okkoto the Boar King from Princess Mononoke

Cool lore, small callback to Gough with his allies playing cruel pranks on him AND with the design of his helm

His boss weapon lets you use one of his coolest, strongest attacks which is always great

Get on your FUCKING HORSE and have the GRAND MOUNTED DUEL the game -fucking- wants you to. You do realize there's a talisman for a flat 15% damag boost to everything you do on your horse right? Fuckin' slap that lance talisman on and start learning the fight.

The more I play From games the more I realize I actually hate the bosses and I only like exploring dungeons

Clearly it was a failure because basically every guide and most players will instantly tell you he's far easier to fight while on foot.

putrescent and scadu avatar are some of the very few good bosses in elden ring

Encourages you to fully utilize the mounted combat gameplay for the first time

any hit you take will instantly knock you off the horse

This seems more like the game is telling you not to use mounted combat.

Those guides are literally wrong. He's VERY easy mounted. I can no-hit him if I get a little lucky.

No, it's that if you fuckup bad enough to get unhorsed, you might die. Everything he does is easy to cope with on your horse. Don't fucking get hit.

I just parry him near the ledge and give him a lil nudge so he falls down and get deaded, your strat seems inefficient to me

scadu avatar

very few good bosses

It's a sun flower that zips across the map and you don't even have a horse so you can to jog to get hits in, and it has 3 phases

No, it's that if you fuckup bad enough to get unhorsed, you might die.

That fucking up bad enough is getting hit by any single attack. If the intended play style is based around a perfect run that no one is going to use that playstyle. Thus the boss fight has failed to get players to use the intended playstyle.

lmao this anon is getting beaten by a cripple

Those guides are literally wrong. He's VERY easy mounted.

Evidently not or else that would be considered the standard way to defeat him, but the overall community has said otherwise thus it's clear the easier method is doing him on foot.

That fucking up bad enough is getting hit by any single attack

But that's absolutely not the case. You need to take multiplte hits in a short time period because getting knocked off torrent is based on a poise/stagger like unseen meter. Are you the kind of person who doesn't even have any Rowa Fruit? are you letting Torrent DIE? When he heals based on your flask usage AND has a dedicated healing consumable that you can carry 99x of each tier of?

Evidently not or else that would be considered the standard way to defeat him,

Nah, it's just that guidemakers are subhumans, like you.

but the overall community has said otherwise thus it's clear the easier method is doing him on foot.

Nah, that's co-op babies coping. He's best fought solo, on the horse. All the guide exist because SHITTERS want to get carried.

This is in fact bad design on the devs part if that was the intended playstyle and is why no one actually fights him mounted because the average players experience is this.

see mounted boss

notice you can use horse or are already on horse

get one shot off your horse anytime you go near him which usually ends with you dying

decide the game didn't want you to use the horse for this fight because you don't get one shot on foot

You need to take multiplte hits in a short time period because getting knocked off torrent is based on a poise/stagger like unseen meter.

Unless the player has heavy armor than they will most likely get one or two shot off torrent based on the poise damage his attacks do.

Why would you even buy the DLC to this shit open-world slop game?

get one shot off your horse anytime you go near him which usually ends with you dying

But that's not how it works. It takes like two or three hits [unless your scadu is very low lol]

decide the game didn't want you to use the horse for this fight because you don't get one shot on foot

This is dogshit logic from crying babies. The boss is on a horse and all the HORSE shit he does is why he's hard. You too have a horse. Maybe you should try to matdcdh him.

It's never oneshot unless it's his biggest attacks and you're zero scadu.

Unless the player has heavy armor

I did it in witch robes with a scythe last time I did it lol. Nonsense.

This is dogshit logic from crying babies.

Pretty much any video game player logic would dictate that the method where you don't get one shot is the intended method. It's basic game theory.

It's never oneshot unless it's his biggest attacks and you're zero scadu.

This is incorrect, we have the game files and stats anon, he can poise break you in one hit with his basic lung at 15 scadu blessing if you are below 40 poise.

Just Endure, not even the camera can win against you this way.

king

All the guide exist because SHITTERS want to get carried.

Seems a bit odd that you'd suggest the more difficult method in guides instead of the easier one. Yet every guide says to do him on foot.

Fuck you nigger you're just lying, the vast majority of his attacks knock you off the horse in one hit.

he can poise break you in one hit with his basic lung at 15 scadu blessing if you are below 40 poise.

Basic lunge? You mean his full on CHARGE? The one that's super easy to dodge and has so much of an opening that you can HEAVY R2 FULL CHARGED on him?

Nah.

Pretty much any video game player logic would dictate that the method where you don't get one shot is the intended method

Nah, there's a million extenuating circumstances involved in any loss. Very few players are able to judge them all effectively and that's on them.

If they're struggling on foot AND ALSO on the horse then a humble and intelligent player would conclude something like

"Oh I need more of those Revered Ashes that make my horse tougher!"

But OP isn't humble nor intelligent. He just stomped his feet and spewed about how UNFAIR the boss is when he's unable to even figure out or apply the intended way to face him.

Ackchually the damage Torrent takes is based on the summon-specific skibidi equivalent. Can't remember what it was called.

I hate this faggot with every fiber, but no. He's actually not that bad. Double invisible cats have him beat.

Seems a bit odd that you'd suggest the more difficult method in guides instead of the easier one.

The onfoot methods only excist because of players who want to have somebody kill it for them in co-op.

Not even at all true. You're probably not tracking his HPO at all and have conflated Torrent dying with Torrent getting poisebroken.

Fuck that, greatsheild plus Sekiro tear own this fag for free.

Nah, there's a million extenuating circumstances involved in any loss

True but basic game theory is going to show players are going to look at the simplest method, which will inevitably lead them to conclude that the horse is the worst option to use as the game reinforces this by having you insta die if your poise breaks.

I like how he also has tons of hyper-delayed attacks that then get released after an arbitrary amount of time with ZERO telegraphing, so you just have to know the timing.

You're right, he uses Revered Ashes. I mentioned it.

Basic lunge? You mean his full on CHARGE?

No the one where he flings his board at you from the side. Seems like you haven't actually played the boss yourself.

and have conflated Torrent dying with Torrent getting poisebroken.

No I didn't you utter retard, i didn't say Torrent dies, i said you get knocked off, which more often than not results in you getting killed during the stun.
Stop arguing about topics you know nothing about holy shit.

the game reinforces this by having you insta die if your poise breaks.

But that's not so, he even has behaviors where when you're unhorsed, he uses the safest, worst attack he has while you have a chance to get back on. The AI is INTENTIONALLY tuned to be a little forgiving and let you get back up. Again, having MASTERED the fight, I can tell you that like 1/3rd of the time when unhorsed, he just run away and throws rocks at you that literally won't hit you if you don't move.

and have conflated Torrent dying with Torrent getting poisebroken.

This doesn't really change the statement, you get knocked off your horse either way.

It's pretty fucking bullshit yes.
That said, if you've nabbed the cracked tear that gives you sekiro parry, that's a very good way to handle his attacks, especially his bs charge with the bad hitboxes.

play caster

every single spell misses because lock on is on the dude and not the mount and he is super spastic

they did zero testing on dlc bosses. Thank you jeetsoftware

gain, having MASTERED the fight, I can tell you that like 1/3rd of the time when unhorsed, he just run away and throws rocks at you that literally won't hit you if you don't move.

But as you've said you've mastered the fight, the average player who goes in blind is not going to know this, thus will most likely get got by whatever attack he follows up with in the panic of getting knocked of torrent. Thus they will conclude this is not the intended method.

which more often than not results in you getting killed during the stun.

Nah, only if you're unlock enough to be caught by his "murder you on the ground" vehavior which happens about 1/3rd of the time.

When you get unhorsed there's three roughly equally likely reactions he has

Rock magic that will miss you unless you walk into it

He comes right up and smacks you to finish you off

He does some random other shit like run away or start up a basic move

Only about a third of unhorsings end with "nothing you could do about it" death. Especially since they fixed the prompt for Torrent right? Wasn't that a recent patch? To make getting back on dead Torrent easier? I think it was.

This DLC did irreperable damage to all the shitters here that finally got exposed.

nonsensical hitboxes

lingering hitboxes

extremely poor telegraphing

hyper-aggressive, spammy AI

That's every boss in the latter half of the base game, and every boss in the DLC. What sets this one apart?

just get on your poorly scaling, extremely vulnerable and brittle horse that gets killed and staggered by a stiff breeze

surely the extremely long inevitable knockdown animation won't be an issue

Torrent fucking sucks, and horse combat is actually hilariously poorly implemented. It genuinely feels like a mean-spirited prank on everyone who thought fighting on horseback would be fun.

Use good spells
It's sad but 99% of spells are complete trash in the DLC due to being too slow or dealing too little damage or both
Honestly just spam Zamor Ice Storm

Putrescent is a class cannon that only has one interesting mechanic beyond its constant jousting in and out.
Scadu lasts way too long and doesn’t have much going for it moveset-wise. Having a retarded nuke doesn’t help it.

every single spell misses because lock on is on the dude and not the mount and he is super spastic

Spell choice issue.

DS2 level of hitboxes with here

But as you've said you've mastered the fight, the average player who goes in blind is not going to know this

Yes but they should, by experiencing and first hand knowledge, realize this is the case the same way I did. I got SO lucky with the rocks thing SO often it became clear it was intentional design.

Encourages you to fully utilize the mounted combat gameplay for the first time

Any boss that pushes mounted combat is instantly f tier.
As the op said every attack becomes an effective one shot, except more insulting because you have to wait 5 seconds for the enemy to drop their pants and drag their nuts across your face to get to the game over screen. Your damage gets cut in 4 even if you land every attack because swinging is so fucking slow, and landing them in the first place is a real pain in the ass. Your moveset shrinks considerably to boot. Even if mounted combat was statistically better than fighting on foot (it's not) I'd still hate it.

Yes but they should

No player is going to know every mechanic of a boss fight their first go. And if the intended method requires that then it is bad design.

channeled spell

on gaius

he will kill you before you can finish

Of course not, you're expected to learn by trying. His moveset feels likely complete unfair dogshit on the ground because it's all designed with Torrent's movespeed and mobility in mind. On Torrent, suddenly the fight feels like actual mounted horse battle and you're looping around in circles trying to get behind the enemy and worrying about stay on his left side as opposed to his right because he literally only has one or two weak, big windup moves that can threaten you when you're on that side. His move unfair and upsetting attack is suddenly a huge opening for a charged R2 and it starts becoming more and more rewarding to outmaneuver and outplay him. It's fuckin' ludokino.

How the fuck do you dodge the charge on foot?????

mount torrent

move in a direction perpendicular to Commander Gaius

Commander Gaius is catching up and about to hit you

jump

while in the air Torrent has a magical ability called "double jump"

use this ability

aim in a spot where Gaius is not attacking

you deal damage while not getting hit

repeat until boss dead

I had a blast watching people get sodomized by this boss. I don't how many streams I watched, 20-30 lol? NONE of you stupid motherfuckers fought this boss mounted lmao.

Too bad horse combat fucking sucks.

Of course not, you're expected to learn by tryin

And the one thing the boss teaches you is being on your horse gets your killed because he'll knock you off pretty easily. The average player isn't going to think "I need to learn this fight on horse" they'll think "the horse is getting me killed".

I don't how many streams I watched, 20-30 lol? NONE of you stupid motherfuckers fought this boss mounted lmao

That is a pretty clear sign the boss poorly communicated the intended method.

you have to make sure you sweetspot the angle and timing. It's SOOOOOOOOOO tight.

Meanwhile on Torrent you just sprint away until he iniates the actual attack after the charge attack and loop back on him while starting to charge R2. If you do it right, you get a big charged R2 and his attack whiffs as you turn around to face him.

double jump over him during his charge

he literally isn't touching you at all

MAYBE his plume us grazing Torrent's foot

Torrent gets poise broken anyway

Welcome back, Gen 2 Plesioth.

Late

Roll, or idealy bloodhound step.

The average player isn't going to think "I need to learn this fight on horse" they'll think "the horse is getting me killed".

They're retards. He is genuinely unfair and unfun on foot. Like OBVIOUSLY so... And most bosses don't allow Torrent at all. Being allowed to call him at all is a HUGE BRIGHT RED SIGNAL and there's no excuse for ignoring it.

He is genuinely unfair and unfun on foot.

But every player fights every boss on foot, so their conclusion is going to be "I'm doing something wrong on foot" because especially in the DLC every boss is like this.

there's no excuse for ignoring it

There's no excuse for even checking whether you can call the horse at all while he's already charging you, and you've fought who knows how many fast bosses in gigantic arenas on foot already.

And most bosses don't allow Torrent at all.

Pretty much ever field boss does and most of those are also better fought on foot including the mounted ones like Night's Cavalry.

get killed less on foot

this doesn't mean it's the easier method

Hmm....

The ring pops up on my UI every time I heal because I put flasks and the whistle on my quickslots for permanent direct access.

hemwick witches

What did he mean by this?

This horse rider is stuck inside the horse with armor anon, if you didn't notice, you are just on top of a goat.

You and nobody else.

not a problem for dexchads

That boss is fun, just slap him with some fire and he melts.

This fight is just RNG unless you spend 100 hours just learning every hitbox perfectly.
They're not properly indicated by the visuals, there's no telegraphing, everything about this is just shit and if you defend it you have brown skin.

In all of the souls derivatives? BoC
Not counting that? Probably the last boss of Heavy Armor
Everyone's distracting you and telling you the game is over but really you need to get out of the turret with the horrible motion controls and shoot an injured man with a HMG before he kills your friend otherwise it's the bad end

Yeah, you're all fucking retards. It's why I take such pleasure in fucking with you when I invade.

I like when he casts a gigantic unavoidable, lingering AOE below the player that oneshots both the horse and player, that's very fun.