Super Mario Bros is a worldwide hit movie

Original Trilogy was the best, by the time the movie came out the trilogy was irrelevant.
They took far too long in investing money back into the series. Long time fans moved on, all anyone had was nostalgia at the mention of the name.

Ratchet and Clank 3 Multiplayer in the modern Era would be great. Give it a Warhawk styled 16 v 16/32 v 32 and Ratchet and Clank inspired maps and you would have had one of the most Soulful CTF games of all time.

None, they failed to cultivate a popular franchise
Their "mascots" always change
Their best bet now would be an Astro Bot movie honestly

This. It had it's 15 minutes of fame on the PS2 but the franchise had died down after the trilogy. The series hadn't had any notable games in almost a decade when they suddenly pulled out the movie and remake of the first game.

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What Sony IP movie adaptation could reach the same level of success as those other movies?

TLOU seemed like it was pretty big. don't really know how the show's numbers would fare against those movies though

People look at Ratchets design and it gives off “Walmart bargain-bin furfag mascot” vibes. Its too intentionally ugly and overdesigned compared to Mickey Mouse, Sonic, Roger Rabbit, Goofy, Mario, a Pikachu or blocks in Minecraft. As good as the games may be, the designs of PS2 mascots do not lend well to overall appeal for long running franchises. Sly is stylized enough to work but they didnt even try to get his movie out. Jaks world looks even weirder than Ratchets and cant keep a consistent tone or identity.

movie

adaptation

All 4 of those IPs are evergreen compared to r&c because their companies actually utilize them compared to sony just sitting on their fat asses doing jack shit because they won the most embarrassing console wars to ever happen and just plop out tps movie games so stale that the moment they did something different it won goty. Nothing from that generation of games is reaching the same heights ever again

These + also the film was total shit to an extent far beyond all of the others you listed
Everything gets called shit on the internet to a point it's lost its meaning and ideally it should be reserved for things on the level of the R&C movie

Ratchet and clank was popular because it was a teen game. It had innuendos and was edgy.
Then Tools of destruction happened and they removed all the edge and innuendo's from the franchise. Made a movie reboot/remake tie in game that was not only tame as fuck but shorter than the original. R&C lost it's personality.

Because it was shit.

I want to fuck Rivet.

the problem with sony trying to make a movie is that they would try to make it as oscar bait-y as possible or bottom of the barrel action schlock because that's all they have.
they don't have any series that could make for a big normalfag movie for families.

timeless IP with decades worth of games which people of all ages have played and enjoyed and is still going strong today

cultural phenomenon IP which is still played today by both kids and adults

the mascot IP that was able to compete with Mario's market share. Has many fans who grew up with the IP when it was at it's height. Still gets new games and cartoons which keeps it relevant to children

cultural phenomenon IP which became one of the best selling video games ever and still captivates every child in the world

IP that had flash-in-the-pan success for a few years during one console generation and had to compete with several other popular mascot IPs on the same console. Hasn't had any major game releases since that console generation and is generally unknown outside of the fanbase from back then

The absolute worst animated movies of all time should include the 2016 Rachet and Clank movie. I mean I’m talking worse than a direct-to-video sequel to Mulan or Land Before Time or worse than woke Disney garbage like Onward or Wish.

I liked Mulan, Land Before Time, and Onward.
I agree Wish did suck really bad though.

Why does everyone in this game have a penis?
Even the chicks.
You wouldn't see Dante using a dick anytime soon.

The only that has a shot is littlebigplanet but they would have to bring it back first and spend years for it to get a new fan base.

Uncharted was a moderate success and God of War would likely do well.

This right here is everything wrong with the Ratchet and Clank franchise right now. As soon as this flat chested midget with an amputee fetish showed up I knew the discussion would become trash. And if Rivet is the future of this series I hope it fails with even more brutality than Sony's movie Madame Web.

Detective Pikachu is a worldwide hit movie

no it wasn't.

Parappa

I genuinely forgot that there was a Ratchet and Clank movie.

You sound mad and gay.

Got this today

Ratchet and Clank aren't impressive characters there's no reason to watch a movie about them.

they tried that already and it flopped
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sackboy:_A_Big_Adventure

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enjoy

Sony are working on a Patapon movie and Gravity Rush movie. They haven't given updates in a while.

Did so bad Sony shelved the Sly Cooper movie.

Okay Anon, let's use our brains

Super Mario Bros. told original story

Detective Pikachu told original story

Sonic the Hedgehog told original story

Minecraft told original story

Ratchet and Clank decided to reboot the series while partly following the first game's story while doing a game tie-in movie while kinda rewriting story/narrative that works best on interactive exploration medium on top of raping the mc personality from the original game people might've remembered

Of a series that was doing at best mediocre after PS2

Baka

Sly would have failed. Sly is a lame niche series.

Do you think the "finding the lombaxes" storyline will ever continue? They dropped it after ACiT and keep flipping between wanting to continue that storyline and not wanting to. This storyline started in Tools of Destruction IN 2007.

Next Ratchet game isn't coming out until 2029

Instead of pushing the story in a meaningful direction, they'll just bring back Nefarious YET AGAIN and wheel out 80 year old Armin Shimmerman

Nta but Sly could've at least worked because the premise is more understandable and the story of Sly the character is easy and simple. Meanwhile Ratchet was rewritten completely and his goal in the reboot is so fucking embarrassing that you think you are watching some Pixar Movie bargain bin ripoff. "I wanna be a galactic hero!" etc. is so fucking lame. Could as well name it "The Incredible heroes!" and rip off The Incredibles boxart.

I think Alistair (?) the evil fatherly mentor Lombax was pretty popular. I can see him coming back for clap points.

Alister died at the end of ACiT

if old granny goku can do supersaiyan screams while pushing 90 I bet armin could pull it off too

Ratchets character designs are too ugly as fuck to translate to an actual movie for a medium of people who are used to watching simplistic designs and characters in films. Its like asking why a movie about LOTR would succeed over a movie about Monster Hunter.

I hate that the PS3 games teased loads of stuff like Tachyon knowing Ratchet's real name and Max Apogee rescuing Angela Cross and leaving the galaxy among other stuff and didn't answer any of it.

Hot take.
R&C movie would've worked better as 2D animation. But yeah they just went too hard of trying to make Ratchet too appealing and ended up making him be a strange looking furry creature with personality of a sandpaper.

and also, a lot of people don't know this because it was only in the Ratchet and Clank comic series, but Tachyon survived.

completely shit story

bad guys are taking over... because... uhhh

plot begins with a property damage dispute

91% of the game is platforming

Its not a world you want to really get lost in.
For example, Name 1 planet.

Its not a memorable or cool universe like any of the other IPs. Jack and daxter would do better because they're better characters. Rachet was a cunt and clank was a bitch.

I liked Rift Apart and found it charming but I wish it had more content.

The PS3+ games have shit writing, the comics are clearly even worse. I fucking hate what this franchise has become

same

That's PS4, which is way worse, but even PS3 has a lot of issues. ACIT was pretty solid I guess, but you can tell the writers at Insomniac are babby tier and keep referencing lore in a laughable manner.

I really never got the change with that the OG he was a tinker who lived out in the boons and wanted to see the world while being a bit selfish dick but learns to be a hero while the remake they made him into a pushover who idolized Qwark

Its funny the PS2 games tried to be funny where as the PS3 games and further tried to hard to be serious like that point in 6th gen where every franchise that had a cartoon style mascot tried making them edgy to appeal to a teen demographic.

Because they didn't act like Ratchet and Clank in the movie, it felt like some weird souless knock off version.

The funny part is that the PS2 games are arguably darker and more serious than the PS3 ones in a lot of ways. The PS2 games just outperform the PS3 ones in basically everything.

Name 1 planet.

Orxon

youtube.com/watch?v=hGyP1dWj4OY

They were worried Ratchet was "too mean" in the first game and gave his character a 180 personality change for the sequels. It at least wasn't as jarring in the video games since Ratchet had some character growth in the first game and it's believable enough that he'd be a changed person after that. This got amplified in the movie and the remake of the first game where they just retconned his character arc and just made him into some wannabe hero who apparently spent his whole life itching for a reason to save the universe.

ratchet and clank movie didn't even appeal to ratchet and clank fans

It was never marketed correctly as a movie, It was done like a straight to dvd thing. I don't even think you could see it in Irish cinemas

2, 3 and Gladiator work just fine because Ratchet isn't a dick but he's still a punk, cracking stupid jokes and behaving like he should. It's less about Ratchet being a good or a bad guy and more about Ratchet being able to talk about Courtney Gear's porn vids

He didn't even have any conflict with Clank, In the movie and awful remake they were immediately friends and that never changes, they even removed the part where Ratchet gets pissed at Clank and starts talking shit to him non stop until a certain point where he grows up and they forgive each other. Sure it was a bit generic and predictable but at least the original had some character development.

This, PS3 fucked it by making him too nice but even in the PS2 games after 1 he still had some bite in him, that was the point

What was wrong with it? I didn't watch it, but how hard is to make a decent movie based on Ratchet and Clank?

Nefarious needs to be killed off

I don't know why insomniac is so obsessed with him, he's a shit villain.

The downfall happened during the future series. As much as R&C fans praise, ACiT, I love it too, but the sales numbers just don’t show it. As much as Rift Apart gets shit on here, it is the second best selling in the series at 4 million by 6/23. Picrel is outdated since it’s for 2/22. It’s probably at least 5 million now. 2016 is the highest, but they nearly gave those out for free so that doesn’t count.

A movie that actually doesn’t suck this time around could work, but they need to have a good writer, non woke, and respect the source material. They also need to promote it a lot.

Ratchet 2 is unironically one of my favorite games of all time. It pains me to see what this IP has been turned into. Is there even anyone at Insomniac now that worked on the PS2 games?

I think they just ran out of ideas, or more than likely couldn't find new staff that was confident enough to take the plot in a new direction after the PS2 games. The original trilogy had a large variety of characters and new set of villains for each game. Even Deadlocked had a new antagonist and a story about something other than saving the universe from a megalomaniac.

Jack and Daxter

You don't know what you are talking about when you get even name wrong of a character you are calling better.

Ratchet had attitude and was an asshole
He was a dick, a pessimistic cunt for a children's mascot carrier

He's nothing but a furry now.

It was a bad movie that completely rewrote Ratchets character and the video game remake just used clips from the movie as the further condemning this series.

Its whatever though are you not happy with 7 games? Reminds me of megaman fans, they unironically have 23 objectively good games and still want more

Name 1 planet.

Oozla, Notak, Dobbo, Snivelak, Siberius, Boldan

Most of the people working on R&C these days come from the ps3 era. There's very few original PS2 devs left there

Honestly at this point I would be fine if they retire R&C and just focus on Rivet instead. At least then they can't fuck the pair up even more.

This just shows Sonyfags situations and nothing else. People buy Rift Apart because there's nothing else on PS5. People buy the PS4 remake because PS4 was big and by that time Ratchet was one of the only platformer mascots around. PS3 games didn't sell because it was the "mature" generation.

Is Sam Maggs still at Insomniac?

pessimistic

No, he was fine. Kind of a dick though.

No she was fired then she worked for Respawn then they fired her. I dont think anyone has rehired her.

She got fired so early in development for being such a insufferable cunt that every one despised her, that she wasn't even included in the credits which made her seethe hard on twitter.

All the games took jabs at things like vapid consumerism, commercialization, corporations and media. In theory you could make up a bunch more villains to fit these narratives, especially now but they knew its not as appealing as a “super special chosen one saving the world from generic lord of darkness/evil.” The former takes way more writing talent than a short CEO polluting his own planet or a thrill show host capturing aliens to put in gladiator arenas or a Tribbles reference.

It didn't have a trending celebrity attached to it.

Jack Black

Ryan Reynolds

Jim Carrey

Jack Black

compared to

John Goodman sleeping

Sylvester Stallone slurring

This is cope. You also left out the fact that it was impossible get a PS5 legitimately at that time w/o buying from a scalper for $1000+. There were only 10 million PS5s out at that time (75million+ now) Also, about 10-15% of those 10 million were owned by scalpers.

I don't think it's cope. There isn't an actual modern Ratchet fanbase. You have Sonyfags, but not modern Ratchetfags. They buy what's on the Sony box.

He looks like Wacko Warner doing that weird face.

People buy Rift Apart because there's nothing else on PS5

It's also on steam with high reviews.

Why would it have shit reviews? It's a competently made game. It has strong visuals, the gameplay loop has been tried and perfected for 20 years. Even with the horrible writing and various issues, the modern Steam player would likely give it a positive review and the people who know better would just not buy it at all.

It's perfectly in line with what I'm saying. The current gaming landscape rewards these games. Sales don't really correlate with quality. Dark Souls 2 outsold all of the others, after all.

cool person: ah a typo, i knew what you meant

the penis punisher xemself:

Why did they put Rift Apart on Steam but none of the other Ratchet and Clank games? The rest of the series is trapped on the PS3.

the baby talk names

Sincere question, did you actually memorize those or did you look them up?

pictured: the second worst arena in the entire series

Because that movie sucked

Name 1 planet.

Retconning the main pair's personality and dynamic is what fucked them over. They went from friends who bicker at each other and banter all the time while still having each other's backs (quite literally) to bootleg Ash and Pikachu.
Textbook example of why listening to test audiences or boomer execs is a terrible idea no matter what.

I've probably played RC2 30 times, I know that game inside and out
Couldn't name you a single level from 3 except Starship Phoenix though

so did the other movies OP mentioned

The franchise went from sex joke titles to a fart joke one, that's a pretty good summary of how the series "evolved"

Not nearly as bad

Even though the games are pretty fun, the character design of Ratchet and Clank is bad. Nobody wants to see an animated movie with ugly characters.

Needs a Deadlocked movie. Get niggas attached to Ratchet in armor before they see his ass. Guaranteed success long-term.

Marcadia city is pretty memorable.

Nobody wants to see an animated movie with ugly characters.

But modern disney, dreamworks and pixar are a thing

Well yeah, now I remember it
It's just I never fell in love with 3 as hard as I did with 2

For me it's the opposite even though 2 is way bigger than 3, 3 just feels like home. 2 is more of a road trip where you don't quite get to settle down.

Idk, they did pretty well metrics wise and their communities are pretty active even though it’s not doing Marvel numbers. I’d rather have another Ratchet game instead of more Marvelslop. I think you are downplaying because otherwise it would go against your worldview. All metrics say you're coping.

If you really want to judge a game, look into attach rate, sales of year(x) to year(x+1) ratio, actual grassroots reviewer ratings aggregate, how long before it’s on sale, positive community engagement, and profit to cost ratio. Don’t rely too much on a single metric.

make a movie based off a game without the appeal of said game

You forgot Angry Birds btw, idk why people purposely ignore that movie, it was good. We're even getting a third movie.

When's the fortnite movie aka read player one 2?

That's fair. I liked the games but never fell in love and did the 100% stuff.

I think Dixon is a planet. I liked RC1. RC2 was fun but RC3 felt phoned in and I lost interest.

What worldview? How is my worldview tied with whether or not there's a "modern Ratchet fanbase" or not? My worldview has never excluded the possibility of shit products developing a fanbase that actually cares about the product rather than just consuming it as part of a bigger thing. I don't think this is the case for Ratchet as I haven't seen actual "Rift Apart enjoyers" or "Remake enjoyers", their enjoyment usually seems to extend in the framework of Sony appreciation and nothing more. But guess what, I can also be wrong and I haven't scouted every place of the Internet, so maybe there's a bunch of subreddits and communities and maybe even old school style forums dedicated to modern Ratchet. But I haven't seen them and from my experience, actual "Ratchet fan" discussions usually revolve around the PS2 titles and why the PS3/4/5 titles didn't compare to them.

If you really want to judge a game, look into attach rate, sales of year(x) to year(x+1) ratio, actual grassroots reviewer ratings aggregate, how long before it’s on sale, positive community engagement, and profit to cost ratio. Don’t rely too much on a single metric.

I completely agree, but that's my point. alone is meaningless. Even the attach rate doesn't tell the whole picture. You could have foretold the PS3 titles would have sold less just because of the cultural landscape at the time. Meanwhile, the remake came out at a time when colorful games were allowed to be once again. Games, and by extension sales, don't exist in a vacuum.

born out of the LOLSORANDUUM movement that had already died out 7 years prior and was immediately a cringe-inducing character trying to capture the invader zim audience. Lawrence would have been a better primary antagonist.

The Future games added new lore like Max Apogee and Angela Cross leaving the solar system and Tachyon knowing Rachet's real name (Clank even confirms he was not lying) among other things

all of this gets dropped and never mentioned again

LOMBAX TIDDIES

They introduced multiverse capeshit in Rift Apart so they'll just use another version of him.

He looks like he's full of my human cum

Sam Mag pls

Because Snoys live in a bubble thinking that the PlayStation franchise is the second coming of Jesus (it isn't)

one of the best games

it's the least played main game in the series

Shame. It felt like the last time they tried to innovate on the formula. Then they wasted years making shit spinoffs before regressing and basically remaking Tools of Destruction (now with safe horny furrybait).

What the fuck? There was a movie?

Came out during a shitty year in media and life. Its almost 10 years old.

youtube.com/watch?v=-ywtRKaoiGU

I just started playing rift apart on my ps5

I think a big part of it is that the reboot and Rift Apart were treated as higher profile releases than the future trilogy.
Rift Apart was one of only a handful of exclusives they had during that launch period so they marketed the hell out of it, and then it came with a FOTM waifu so people latched onto it further for that. Couple that with it being the first game to be released on Steam and you get a bunch of new blood in who don't actually release how boring and shit it is because they don't know any better

first game is popular

rewrite first game into different game

make movie about different game

movie does poorly

Maybe they should've made a movie about the first game.

How the fuck is Size Matters the second best selling game? Was it bundled with PSPs a lot or some shit?

Jack and daxter would do better because they're better characters.

I respectfully have to disagree I really don't like what became overall for Jak and Daxter's core characters...

Jak - Punching bag loser who despite being marketed as having edge due his Dark Eco powers and seeking revenge allows his best friend, his girlfriend, and his mentor (Samos) to treat him HORRIBLY. Let me summarize it like this NONE of you want to be Jak and live Jak's shitty life because his loved ones are SHITTY TO HIM. And I hate how Jak doesn't call out their bullshit.

Daxter - Useless selfish parasite weasel otter fusion freak bastard who allowed Jak to get tortured in prison for two years because he was too busy drinking beer at bars and taverns. What a shitty best friend. His biggest accomplishment is getting Jak out of prison oh wait Jak released himself from prison using his Dark Eco powers so Daxter is useless. Don't get me started on how Daxter insults Jak whenever he dies in gameplay so he really is a little shit.

Keira - Now this one stings she used to be nice in the first game but in the sequel she is unsympathetic to Jak, who she loves, getting tortured in prison and nags and shames him because to stay alive he needs to work with criminals. And she even roots for a secondary villain who wants to kill Jak and she does that out of emotional spite. It's not a matter of she being temporarily nasty so much as how DARE she be nasty to Jak after the difficult life he's been enduring for years. She is lucky she is written by western cuc ks because if I were writing the story I would have killed this bitch off and have Jak feel happy that she died.

Samos - Jak's mentor, the bastard knew about all the hardship and torture Jak would endure and he allows it.

The Jak and Daxter series is awful because it really is universally a mean spirited franchise. Only thing more mean spirited by Naughty Dog is Last Transsexual Dykes of Us.

The PSP had like three good games. People were desperate to play anything decent.

The biggest problem with the Ratchet and Clank movie besides obviously turning Ratchet into Mickey Mouse or Superman boy scout from the beginning is that the story is simply not interesting. Its amazing how bad story is. Its not engaging, it's not funny, it's....nothing. It has no point. Its meandering around with pointless celebrity voiced characters who don't even exist in the actual video games. And you know what I think those celebrity voice actors are the reason the budget was so high.

That is to say Ratchet and Clank had a LOW budget but the only reason it even had the budget that it did was the celebrity voice actors. if they deleted those awful characters voiced by celebrities the budget would be lower and you know the movie would probably profited more.

I think what pisses me off the most about Ratchet failing is that it justified in Sony's eyes to making MORE Black Spider Man and Hotel Transylvania sequels til the cows come home. And I really hate those horrible movies full of annoying characters.

The PSP had a chunk of decent games...

Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep.
Metal Gear Peace Walker
Maverick Hunter X (seriously a Mega Man game with GOOD voice acting that's novel).

And other gems. I hate this narrative that Sony's first handheld was this hideous failure. Nah it had a nice library that's underrated.

Birth by Sleep and Peace Walker both suck

does it still need an online pass?

Ratchet and Clank was only enjoyed by the very niche audience of "edgy teen furries."

Not sure and the online servers were shut down in 2018 so it's not like it matters anymore anyway.

Daxter, the two God of War games on PSP were also good.

I hate this narrative that Sony's first handheld was this hideous failure

This board literally has people vouching for a console that costs over 600 dollars and 90 dollar games. They would sooner resort to revisionist history than besmirch Nintendo.

Rift Apart should have had movie Ratchet and Clank and movie Nefarious have a role or a cameo

Get ready for him to go the way of Eggman, Docter Cortnex, and Bowser where they give him family member for him to work with(in this case he'll be an uncle to Lawrence's kid). Hopefully, they at least bring back his nerd stuff at least because of this.

Detective Pikachu is a worldwide hit movie

I thought it only did okayish?

We could have had the kino Future trilogy storyline about the search for the Lombaxes continue

instead they brought back Nefarious for the THIRD time in All4One and gave everyone shitty redesigns

And Insomniac for whatever reason cannot invent a proper dedicated original main villain for Ratchet to deal with.

That's because they made emperor Tachyon use him once and then never again. This dude has more connection to Ratchet than Nefarious does. Right down to him hating Lombaxes and him being super short for his race. LIke if I was in change of the Ratchet series I'd would have brought this guy back (maybe Drek too just so we could have a trio of villains for each of the Main Characters) and would be using him as a constant thorn in Ratchet's side.

How would you feel about Tachyon returning?

It's just hmofaggot spics finding a way to ruin any online discussion relating to furry franchises. These retards never said shit about Angela, they just latch onto everything new and currently trending like the newfaggot zoomers they are.

Wait, ratchet and clank got a movie?

Drek died at the end of the first game anon. I'm pretty sure the only villains still alive at this point are Tachyon, Slag, Ventra and Otto Destruct (who has the brain of a monkey)

because in the first and second games, because Ratchet is the parody of a videogame hero, he's small, orange, furry creature with "last known male of his species" meme backstory.

No.

Why not? The comics confirmed he survived.

The thing with Ratchet and Jak is that to me they were never intended to go on forever and have reoccurring villains. But that gets thrown out the window now that Ratchet and Clank has somehow persisted into the era we are now, with less games than Sonic or Mario. What they should do is invent new antagonists but that takes creativity. Modern Insomniac doesn't have that.

Just no.

Explain why.

Because Rachet & Clank was very much a product of late 90s/early 2000s edge aimed primarily at teen boys.
The movie not only sanded down any possible edge remaining in the franchise at that point but then also changed the target demo to young children, removing all the teeth from the first game's satirical tone. So basically all that the movie had left going for it was furry bait

I shouldn't have to.

Okay but what if they had Tachyon get experimented on and become seven foot tall and muscular?

Shut up already retard.

Sony delivers their movies to consoles instead of cinemas

What worldview? How is my worldview tied with whether or not there's a "modern Ratchet fanbase" or not? My worldview has never excluded the possibility of shit products developing a fanbase that actually cares about the product rather than just consuming it as part of a bigger thing.

By worldview, I mean the generic Anon Babble opinion that old is good and new is bad. While there are issues with RA, it's not as bad as people make it out to be; the old games are not as mythical as they make it out to be either. This is actually a phenomena know as 'Rosy Retrospection' where one's nostalgia and childhood memories skew past experiences much more positively than they should be. Can you provide a single metric that it didn't do well given its constraints? I understand it's a niche genre and won't pull Marvelslop numbers, but claiming there is no "Modern Ratchet Fanbase" is just a meaningless talking point.

their enjoyment usually seems to extend in the framework of Sony appreciation and nothing more.

You could say that about any brand really (Apple, Toyota, Nintendo, etc.). Like I said, don't rely on a single metric, but take a bunch of them and get a bigger picture. Overall, the metrics point towards it did well but not earthshattering numbers. You can downplay this and claim that there is "no modern Ratchet fanbase", but this can easily be disproven. Picrel. The leaks showed it has one of the highest year one to year two sales ratios compared to other Sony franchises. This indicates a good word of mouth from the early customers and that convinced more people to buy it later on, etc. This also shows the game sales didn't drop off a cliff unlike some other games.

I agree with Cortex not being that bad for this. In fact I like him and Nina's being a weirdly dysfunctional family yet still like being around each is good to me. Bowser is also fine because he was always a little goofy so having him be the funny dad character don't matter if it's Jr or to the Koopalings.so I'm good with that. As for Eggman, yeah he has no right being a family man outside of SA2 where he really like his grandpa. Plus Eggman never cared for his machines like that unless they really impressed him like Gamma did and while Sage is a work of art tech wise. I can't see Eggman loving her enough not to make more of her and use her for an army like he did when making replace Gammas for Sonic Battle.

I fundamentally disagree with the idea that every franchise, least of all something like R&C, needs a recurring big villain. Hell, R&C2's plot has a long stretch where there straight isn't any antagonist character present, it's just the heroes following leads about how things may not be as they first seemed from planet to planet. What keeps the player going and interested isn't some great conflict with a central character, it's the journey itself and seeing what's going on around the corner in a vast galaxy.

no you tranny

They should reinvent him to be not grating. Maybe have him kill Rivet and Kit in the opening of a new game too

Eggman tortured Sonic for 6 months and is constantly unleashing dark eldritch gods that somehow went unnoticed in history until the games current events, and wants to turn the planet into either a techno themepark or a soulless robotic hell. I don't think even Bowser would just torture Mario and he doesn't ever want to rule the world. Him and Mario actually seem like they could get along to some degree.

By worldview, I mean the generic Anon Babble opinion that old is good and new is bad

It doesn't apply universally but basic pattern recognition should highlight this happens. A lot. In various contexts, for different reasons.

While there are issues with RA, it's not as bad as people make it out to be

Wrong, they're even WORSE than what it seems. People are far too lenient with RA just because the remake was worse. RA is Ratchet and Clank written for 5 year olds and 5 year olds specifically, nothing higher.

the old games are not as mythical as they make it out to be either. This is actually a phenomena know as 'Rosy Retrospection' where one's nostalgia and childhood memories skew past experiences much more positively than they should be

Let me come up with my own fancy named concept: the 'Faggot Deflection'. Nobody claimed the PS2 games were mythical and legendary and perfect. They were just great games that delivered a complete and cohesive package, universe, gameplay, writing, soundtrack. The newest games mostly deliver in gameplay and not much else.

Can you provide a single metric that it didn't do well given its constraints

I'm not talking about sales but discourse. Good luck coming up with metrics regarding that. It would theoretically be possible, but far too complex and expensive for the purposes of this discussion.

The leaks showed it has one of the highest year one to year two sales ratios compared to other Sony franchises. This indicates a good word of mouth from the early customers and that convinced more people to buy it later on

Or it could be caused by one of the other 1500 other factors at play. You didn't come up with any metric that proved your point, you came up with one metric and interpreted it the way you wanted to pretend you proved something. Meanwhile, I didn't, this observation about the lack of actual meaningful modern Ratchet discourse is just mine, no bullshit metric to make it look official.

Ratchet and Clank ended with A Crack In Time. The rest of the series is Qwark's fanfiction like the PS4 game.

I would argue that 2 has the weakest story of the PS2 games though precisely because it doesn't really have a clear focus.

I don't think even Bowser would just torture Mario and he doesn't ever want to rule the world. Him and Mario actually seem like they could get along to some degree.

Which is exactly why I hate the recent illumination Mario movie. For starters that ugly fat Jew Jack Black has a terrible voice that's NOT Bowser's voice. That's simply.....Po from Kung Fu Panda.

Secondly and most important in that movie Bowser is a psychopath. He kidnapped people from all over the world to kill them in a volcano sacrifice for his wedding with Peach. Now compare that with the official Nintendo games Bowser, in Mario Odyssey Bowser kidnapped people from all over the world for his wedding BUT he wanted them as guests. He was NOT going to kill them.

And Bowser in the games loves Peach for real. In the movie when Bowser gets rejected by Peach his immediate response is trying to kill her by shooting her with fire. The Bowser in that movie should have been killed off. I just don't find him to be a good representation of Bowser. The only thing missing is that they introduce Bowser's son and reveal that in the movie universe Bowser is also an abusive father when we know that in the games Bowser is a good father.

Again, I hate that illumination Mario movie. It has done more damage to the characters than Nintendo realizes.

Based. Even though is right and 2 has a pretty weak story, most of the (good) Ratchet plots are mostly about following leads, the antagonist isn't the focus.

Drek died at the end of the first game anon.

Yeah but with all the timelines and dimension hoping nonsense the series seems to be into nowadays. It's not issue to find another one (in fact Rift Apart did that in the worse way possible by having him be just a sheep as a ref to the movie) out there.

I'm pretty sure the only villains still alive at this point are Tachyon, Slag, Ventra and Otto Destruct

Don't forget the dumb idea that was to bring Stuart Zurgo back as a villain and yes, he is still alive (sadly).
Yeah, I can see why you'd expect someone more threatening and cool to be a main villain for Ratchet, and Tachyon is a bit too much of a joke for a reuse of a main villain role. However I still want Ratchet's main villain to be a Cragmite at least given there ties to the Lombaxes.

The sad thing is that Insomniac will continue to make cheap Ratchet and Clank games further tarnishing the brand until the whole thing is ruined. Game series don't just stop randomly they stop after a string of failures like Assasin's Creed. And even then for all we know Assasin's Creed will get a new sequel anyway. The point is the damage doesn't stop it just keeps going until a property is truly scarred permanently.

And if you need another example look at what Disney did to Star Wars. Holy fuck.

Nintendo cosigned on every decision in that movie, every casting choice. I'm sure they were given voice reels from that screeching idiot Charlie Day or Chris Pratt playing himself. They could've pulled the plug on it at anytime but didn't.

I say it's because we entered late post-modernism. It's not just that we keep looping on products and established IPs but we can't even make anything new even within these IPs, they keep getting squeezed and it doesn't even make that much sense even from a capitalistic perspective. It just keeps happening because it's expected

There is some hope, the recent news Nintendo is "hesitating" on more of their properties being given movie adaptations. Whatever is going on on that front, Nintendo is thinking twice.

Wrong, they're even WORSE than what it seems. People are far too lenient with RA just because the remake was worse. RA is Ratchet and Clank written for 5 year olds and 5 year olds specifically, nothing higher.

I never said it was the best game. I would rate it as 4th place in the series. I think it's the cool and edgy thing to be overly negative on the recent game.

Let me come up with my own fancy named concept: the 'Faggot Deflection'. Nobody claimed the PS2 games were mythical and legendary and perfect. They were just great games that delivered a complete and cohesive package, universe, gameplay, writing, soundtrack. The newest games mostly deliver in gameplay and not much else.

Way to talk yourself out of your own argument dumbass. For example, if you think the controls in RAC 1 are good, then you are delusional.

I'm not talking about sales but discourse. Good luck coming up with metrics regarding that. It would theoretically be possible, but far too complex and expensive for the purposes of this discussion.
If you can't bring any concrete details to back you your point, then your opinion is basically worthless and can discarded. In other words, you're just an opinionated loudmouth who can back up what you say.

Or it could be caused by one of the other 1500 other factors at play. You didn't come up with any metric that proved your point, you came up with one metric and interpreted it the way you wanted to pretend you proved something. Meanwhile, I didn't, this observation about the lack of actual meaningful modern Ratchet discourse is just mine, no bullshit metric to make it look official.

What a stupid deflection. Can you explain the leading cause as to why retention rates are higher than most other Sony IPs?

In other words, your an opinionated retard and a faggot who can't back up what they say. It's all about feelings with you.

Square Enix is making a live action adaption of The World Ends With You. It was announced a year or so ago on twitter but there have been fuck all updates since

I don't know anything about ratchet and clank
tell me which games are worth playing and why

I have a bias towards 1 and 2 but I can clearly remember the story beats and plot twists in 2 with the only major weakness being the bad final switcharoo and subsequent garbage ending boss fight. I struggle to remember any character motivations in 3 other than courtney gears sexoooo and dude what if everyone was a robot lmao because fuck quark!!! Also replaying that game is a cunt because of the quark minigames.

Difficult to make anything new when just about every concept and character archetype has been done. Even genres for video games have been filled out. There is nothing really new to make outside of sloppy hybrid genres but those are difficult to get right and usually of sloppy quality.

Did we ever find out what happened to Otto Destruct and Klunk after SM and SAC? Also is it true that Secret Agent Clank was just an in universe episode of Secret Agent Clank and Clank, Ratchet abd Klunk were just acting? iirc Insomniac said it was just an in universe episode

Not canon. Who cares.

Why would Square Enix bother with The World Ends With You? Its not the most powerful brand. The first game is the best selling one and not that it sold grandiose despite being on the DS a real successful handheld. The sequel bombed. The anime for it also failed.

If Square Enix wanted to make any kind of media with star power I would argue Kingdom Hearts would be a better fit. Then again I also remember how bad the Dragon Quest movie was, how awful Final Fantasy Kingsglaive was, how boring Final Fantasy Spirits Within was, etc.

Square Enix kind of has no business doing multimedia. Even Sega is better at doing multimedia than Square Enix.

Insomniac have said multiple times on twitter that they are both canon

Hollywood finally figured out a formula that's safe enough, that not even video game movies can fail when it's applied.
Also, movies have been so shit for the last 15 years, that standards have plummeted.

I never said it was the best game. I would rate it as 4th place in the series

And that's what I meant by "too lenient". Incredibly so. It doesn't compare to any of the PS2 games and even most of the PS3 ones (TOD, ACIT). Even TOD's shitty writing didn't get as bad as RA.

Way to talk yourself out of your own argument dumbass. For example, if you think the controls in RAC 1 are good, then you are delusional.

The only issue with the control in RAC1 is that Ratchet has a bit of weird inertia so it's harder to stop and turn sometimes. The fact that you can't trivialize the fighting by strafing and shooting is a design choice, and a very legitimate one.
And I didn't say the games were perfect here. Just great. Certainly way greater than the trash we've been getting for a while.

If you can't bring any concrete details to back you your point, then your opinion is basically worthless and can discarded

This is retarded. This is a discussion about fanbases and online discourse, not a peer reviewed scientific paper. I'm bringing up the (widely shared) observation that lots of modern players and fanbases just consume, come and go, and that stuff gets forgotten quite fast. This applies to modern Ratchet especially. This isn't proven by hard numbers, or statistics, but this is quite an obvious observation to make even if it might not be entirely true on every single level. Yes, it's an opinion, a guess, a reading, but these are perfectly fine to discuss and you're a retarded faggot for thinking otherwise.

Can you explain the leading cause as to why retention rates are higher than most other Sony IPs?

Can you prove that it's word to mouth and dedicated fanbase rather than just sales being distributed over time for literally any other reason, which could absolutely happen organically through various other factors?

So? They'll never be mentioned again. Stop having autism.

They put TWEWY content in Reynatis so they clearly still care about the IP. If they do do the live action adaption, do you think they'll have the cast be japanese or will they pull a Netflix Death Note and make some or all of them black? Will the pants scene be adapted?

Insomniac doesn't know which games are "canon" or what even they mean by "canon". They're retarded. Look at Angela.

Spirits Within is worth a watch. Only other good game movie is House of the Dead. End of list.

Dude they've been dragging this whole Find the Lombaxes story arc for TWENTY years

I genuinely don't understand how they let this happen. I get way they wanted to evolve the series stories but holy fuck. And to think, Rift Apart ended with ANOTHER FUCKING CLIFFHANGER!

And it was always kinda off to begin with for the fact of the dumb last of his race thing. Of course it was imediately dumb because of Angela existing. I always liked her, funny character in funny game. Then she gets subjected with the pretending she doesnt really exist, except not really. But in a way, Im glad she never actually appeared so she didnt get hit by that bs in its entirety. And this isnt to mention Talwyn (poor girl) and the dropped plots with her and other things.

KH right now is their most popular IP and God knows Disney would hire some shitty director to do a movie of it, probably in live-action too. Do you want Zendaya as Kairi and Tom Holland as Sora? Creepy CGI Donald, Goofy and Mickey that make Ugly Sonic look like a newborn puppy? Seth Rogen as a supporting character? Thats what you'll get.

Couldn't Ratchet just use the dimensionator to find a dimension where the lombaxes didn't get slaughtered?

Fucks up Ratchet's design

Forgets that Ratchet is supposed to be a bit of an asshole

Movie is pointless because you can just play the first game instead

The point of a movie for a game series is to extend the series, not to rehash it. Retard.
Notice that Detective Pikachu wasn't just a retelling of Red and Blue?

They changed the rules of how it works. Other dimensions used to be separate realities, not alternate timelines like a capeshit movie.

That sounds horrible. I mean Kingdom Hearts speaking as a fan already has a lot of flaws to the point I wonder if Kingdom Hearts 4 will flop.

But the idea of Disney handling a Kingdom Hearts movie makes me cringe, Disney can't be trusted. Especially since Disney is full of agenda pushing activists.

replacing Kevin Michael Richardson with Paul Giamatti

This film deserved to flop like it did.

You know, Clank's character has largely stayed consistent from what I remember, so it hurts to see Ratchet having been sanded down.

I genuinely hope Angela never returns to the franchise not because I hate her but because I don't trust modern Insomniac. Remember Angela used to cross dress as a male character.

In modern day now she's a tranny or a dyke.

is there a mod to take out that sjw pirate scene

I just pretend everything after the PS2 does not exist.

They had one shot and already fucked it up.

Did Drek still have a pony tail in the movie? I saw pics of the film online and couldn't see it and I don't want to watch the movie i'm just curious.

Bro why did you have to say this? Because now I can totally see them doing this.

Adaptations of videogames to movies ONLY work if they put the actors in a green room. Minecraft and Borderlands work in movie because the entire thing fit in a green room, but no mainline Final Fantasy, Senran Kagura or Gex the Grecko

They aren't even slaughtered, they just got shoved into another dimension and some also died

Oh yes it's all one females anthros fault and not the shitty ass company behind the games, I'm sure this will play out well for you.

Why does Rivet have a tail? I thought Insomniac said female lombaxes don't have tails?

If any of you remember those concept art leaks for next game, what do you think of them and the general idea it's going?

The Ratchet and Clank movie already came out almost 11 years before this, it was called Robots.

mechanic protagonist

off-beat character designs

utopic and dystopic sci-fi environments

dirty jokes everywhere

screechy-voiced villain

a Brittney Spears pop culture reference

And I'm sure the similarities don't just end there. Robots is basically what said R&C is, and it came out around the same time, too.

Dude the first thing they would do in Sly is make Carmelita Fox ugly. I will never consider ANY Sly media where Carmelita Fox is ugly to be canon.

They will need Warner's permission for the scene that everyone wants to see.

Borderlands work

You might want to look at the box office numbers on that one.

You're not supposed to post Krystal the mods don't like that...

How the fuck do you accidentally put c on Jak? It's like writing Marcio instead of Mario. And I would expect someone who is talking about how good some characters are to at least get their names right. Is that too hard Anonycmous?

She wouldn't be straight up ugly but she would loose all her curves, and not in a sexy flat way.