What was the thought process behind this game?
Project Harmony
From the studio that made Metroid Prime
Would that rub salt on the wound?
There's a timeline where this got revealed in 2015 and people draw art of Samus brutally killing Fon
And maybe Donkey Kong kills her as well
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Retro starts working on Project Harmony sometime in 2014
Studio wanted more independence to their own thing feeling that they've earned it
Tanabe no longer works with them after a few months in development
It was going to be announced at E3 2015 but for some reason got pulled at the last minute.
By this time Tanabe was unsure what Retro was working on let alone was still on Harmony or not
Fast forward to 2018, the project is going nowhere and Nintendo is getting testy. They cancel it and put Retro Studios on the task of remastering the Prime Trilogy for Switch
January 2019, Nintendo is also unhappy with whatever Bamco's Prime 4 is and they end that contract and decide "fuck it just put Retro on Prime 4"
Prime 1 is already far enough in to where Retro continues working on it but they also allocate the rest of their resources to Prime 4
Prime 2 and 3's remasters are "to be pushed to a third party company" but whether Nintendo actually did that or figured to wait until Prime 4 was done before putting Retro back on, nobody knows
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STONES AND WATER, AIR AND TREES
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CONFIDENCE TO WIN THE BATTLE
STRENGTH AND LOYALTY SUCCEED
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If Retro had to make their first original IP what would you have preferred it to be like?
Hard Mode: No Raven Blade
DOOOOOOOOOO
Only out of what we know? Adept.
It would have made the 2015 direct even more dire than it was.
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Hypothetically any genre
Any artstyle
Honestly the Artstyle looks so generic cause we've had dozens and dozens of indie games that had this look over the past decade
If it was 2015 this would've seemed like a cute and unique Artstyle
Nintendo pulled the plug on this
Nintendo also still let GF release SV in an abysmal state
Nintendo only co-owns Pokemon
They don't own Game Freak
Meanwhile Retro is 100% Nintendo owned
What ego does to a studio
Sad part is they're on a tighter leash than ever before
I was gonna bring up Overwatch and the Ratchet & Clank movie to game adaptation as examples of the "Pixar inspired" set but those came out in 2016
When were they revealed again?
Overwatch was revealed in 2014
Ehhhhhh Tanabe isn't a saint either
Really him and Retro are made for each other
Keep their egos in-check and bring the best out of both
I want to give the art a shot but it's really not doing anything for me
it just looks like a Disney's fairies game or Ferngully without Tim Curry
L-Look out Kingdom Hearts
We've got a new king of action RPG.....uh...
Is there porn of the girl yet
There's a timeline where we got Fon for Smash Ultimate DLC
Anyone else find it hard to hate this game? It's so pure and saccharine. Especially when she asks you to sing along.
I don't hate it, I'm just more baffled at the development hell of it
There's nothing wrong with the game on a surface level, it would be a decent yet forgettable game if it released from a third-party, but it's held up to the rigorously high standards of Nintendo's IPs.
Unironically
Making girly things is fine because Bronies are a thing now
There's nothing to hate about it, it's just weird to think that this is what Retro was working on all those years.
Who did they think the audience for this was?
Girls
Tanabe did nothing wrong.
Paper Mario and Chibi Robo fans beg to differ
T. Sticker star hands typed this
The frog animation is the cutest, easily. I guess it's so cute, and on the surface a music-themed adventure game with this setting could work, but its clear that they had no proper direction, and shifting from Wii U to Switch probably sealed this game's fate before Nintendo stepped in. I bet the singing was going to use the Wii U mic.
Art style was absolutely a killer, they needed to either go harder into the Disney style or make some storybook shader thing for it.
The audience I think was another reason Nintendo killed it. People hate to admit it but young girls are not a reliable audience for video games. And with this game's art style and mechanics, I couldn't see it appealing hard to older audiences.
Chibi Robo
Knowing this series' fate pisses me off more once I played the Japan only DS game and realized that it was a 10/10 and literally all they had to release.
I get Retro is probably a shell of their former self, but why the FUCK did they give Prime 4 of all games to fucking Bamco. They fucking suck.
Because there was nobody else available
Tanabe did nothing wrong
I love her animations, especially the running
Now that you mention it. Maybe this fuck up was the reason why Prime 4 wasn't given to Retro in the first place. lol
Would she be shilled in favor over Shantae?
Both can use magic and one has summons and the other transformations
Gay propaganda for children
this game reminds me of ever oasis, it has that same cutesy look to it
I meant within the context on why this game would be pitched in 2014 and how it'd be acceptable to make something so girly and expect it to be accepted by fans of Retro's prior works
They also didn't think it'd take this long to come out let alone enter development Hell
This game looks fire
This game should've been on the 3DS, not Wii U. Would've been cheaper development-wise and allow them to experiment more.
You're right I'll delete my post sorry
ToadCHADS rise up!
I dunno but Shantaefags have seemed to simmer down the last few years. Maybe
Who did they think the audience for this was?
Me. It looks amazing
*poke*
meanwhile in alt Anon Babble
Day 3230 of waiting for the Harmony 2 announcement!
The game was a mess that went nowhere
Retro severed ties with Tanabe at the time
Even he had no idea what they were making (but we do know he was around for the first few months of development of their post-Tropical Freeze project)
If it's Harmony...what did he suggest that rubbed Retro the wrong way?
Kingdom hearts is the same slop, you don't have a high ground
Probably something along the lines of saying "it's a bit shit isn't it?".
Stop with the stupid bait
I hate people who have nothing to contribute so they just say stupid bait shit
Can someone draw Fon homeless, starving, and scared?
This is the same guy who thought Sticker Star was good tho
It's cool
Don't worry about it
If Fon was black, people would be freaking out over Smash Bros losing out on its first potential black female character who isn't a side character
Yes which makes the criticism all the more damning.
amiibo trailer reveals Metroid and Donkey Kong skins
Metroid fans find this to be an insult
Fon would have had a crying wojak
Fon would have anal vored Samus while dabbing
There is a timeline where project Hammer existed.
Nobody would be saying that.
Stop using the internet so much.
Whos the dinosaur lady?
This could have been okay but probably nothing special. Just always keep Retro on existing franchises.
I'm pretty sure Prime 2 remastered is going to be a Switch 2 title. I kinda want to see Harmony with an art-style that uses RTX lighting on Switch 2. Generic toon style is not worth it. If I was in charge of Harmony I'd go for a light forest vs dark forest theme where there's a bright overworld but the dungeons are the darkest places. You have to rely on wil-o-wisps to guide you through the darkness.
I'm pretty sure Prime 2 remastered is going to be a Switch 2 title.
If they intend on releasing Prime 3 Remastered, it might happen
If not, you'll just have an NSO release for the original
That said, if Retro couldn't lend a small team to do Returns HD either
A. Everyone was busy on Prime 4
B. There was already a small team working on the remastering the remaining parts of the Prime Trilogy
Reminds me very slightly of okami, restoring a forest with singing instead of a magic paintbrush isn't a bad idea but it looks like total fluff, do you even push buttons or just auto-do Do DOO as you walk past them?
I think he has the right idea most of the time. I liked Fed Force, but having samus be the final boss is cringe, why did she get huge, like if it were realistic, that would be weird as hell. The only modern Paper game I liked was TOK, SPM-CS were pretty meh. I think he is a really good boss designer, minus the color splash bosses.
I hope they add back dynamic lighting they removed in the prime remaster
why did she get huge,
The plot literally hinges on the Space Pirates having technology making them bigger
That girl is just plain ugly.
I'm pretty sure Prime 2 remastered is going to be a Switch 2 title.
If you mean on the Gamecube Classics app then that's one option. Otherwise, I don't think Nintendo's gonna be banking too hard on Switch 2 exclusives with the way things are looking for its adoption rate. I foresee a lot of Switch 1 games but with Switch 2 Editions over the next few years. Remasters especially have little reason to be made exclusive to the Switch 2.
Nintendo greenlit Harmony
You think there were other pitches we didn't know about?
Left>Right
I know, but why did she get huge, there was a building sized samus in that ball and that's weird as fuck to me that they would okay that. Like take that out of the context of it being a chibi game, if this was canon to prime and metroid as a whole, realistic samus turned into a huge human ball, that's fucking weird.
If I was in charge of Harmony I'd go for a light forest vs dark forest theme where there's a bright overworld but the dungeons are the darkest places.
How about something like...
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Pretty sure Prime 2 Remastered is going to be made after Prime 4.
Prime 2 remastered would be a Switch 2 game simply for RTX lighting. Echoes is heavily reliant on lighting. I don't think Switch 1 will cut it.
same
Eh, they're different flavors of cuteness
Ever Oasis isn't saccharine the same way Harmony is
desu it doesn't look that bad
What's the objectives?
What's the focus?
The combat looks so basic that it could easily become a repetitive chore fast
Ever oasis was really weird, this cutesy balloon funtime artstyle and everyone's dying horribly, getting permanently corrupted by curses, and you know what happens at the end to the main waifu. I liked the game but it always felt a bit jarring. No way they would have gone that direction with this winx club ripoff.
I find it funny we have a cutscene animatic and we still don't know what's the actual plot of the game
Japs voted for the Jap one
Aside from what they already covered?
What's left?
Star Fox?
Something like that. There needs to be more dramatic themes with a sense of urgency. I'm not talking about just plot. I'm talking about gameplay reasons as well for monster design and behaviors.
It doesn't look that bad. As other anons have wisely stated, it looks bad because we've had so many fucking games with this artstyle over the past decade.
But this would have released in 2015/16 and would have been one of the first games with this artstyle. It would have been extremely fresh and fun. Seeing how well other games did with this artstyle there's a chance it could have done decent.
On the WiiU I'm not sure how much it would have sold, maybe 1M?
retro is probably still on thin ice so they're either jumping straight to prime 5 so they have little downtime or Nintendo will put them on something safe again like DK
It would have been extremely fresh and fun.
Again I don't think it being revealed in 2015 would've been a wise move
This is kino. They need to be allowed to revive this project.
What and waste more time and money?
Get out of of here
Harmony getting revived is like if H.A.M.M.E.R got revived
I wouldn't be surprised if the guy who pitched Harmony to begin with is no longer at Retro to begin with
It's soulless trash that looks like Rareware output post-Nintendo
Le redhead girl in an adventure
It's ALWAYS this shit, so boring, looks also unappealing as hell, like something soulless you'd see on XBox.
Is this girl or that monster whatever was covered up on Reggie's photo?
What are the odds of them reusing Harmony's assets for Donkey Kong?
Is this girl or that monster whatever was covered up on Reggie's photo?
No
Apparently that robot had nothing to do with any games
It was just an in-joke
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOnkey Kong
Oh Retro's pitches not panning out is pretty much a running gag in the industry at this point.
the year is 2015
the wii u is flopping HARD
star fox zero, federation force, animal crossing amiibo festival all announced, all shit
but wait! after years of anticipation, we finally get the reveal of what retro was working on since tropical freeze:
LOVE! COMPASSION! BEAUTY! PEACE!
Just stop and think about the insane backlash there would have been when everyone found out Retro's new IP was some shitty 360 era Rare game with context sensitive singing mechanics that has the aesthetic of a bargain bin PS2 shovelware game and DOOOOO DOO DOO DOO as the music in the background. The "OH NO NO NO NO" shitposting on Anon Babble would have been relentless.
Oh god Anon Babble would be unusable to this day. ACFag would have unlimited ammo.
after years of anticipation
Year
Just one year
Tropical Freeze came out in 2014
Of all things it kinda reminds me of Kameo.
there's a timeline where people would have posted pictures of fon dabbing and anal voring samus and donkey kong accompanied with a link to PARTY ROCKERS IN THE HOUSE TONIGHT
tak did this first just saying
No fan art made of it? I thought you guys would be on that already.
You're not the first one to point it lol
Though Kameo was a lot more girly before the jump to 360
Hell, even beta Kameo wasn't as girly as Project Harmony
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so i tried to no avail to enter the next area the "right" way. after rescuing lumie, and having her wake up the guardian to reveal the path forward. every time she'd get close to waking up the guardian, the game would crash.
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IT'S OVER
Left looks so much more fun to hang out with it's unreal
The golden age of OC is long dead
Even Anon Babble's a lot more lethargic compared to its glory days of making OC
Thats what happens when you scare off half the artists who browse there with constant trolling.
long red hair feral loli that talks to animals
My favorite archetype
She kinda cute doe.
Its not a bad idea on paper. And visually its appealing if a bit generic. But Retro has a history of its original Ideas floundering. Like remember that Zelda game they pitched? Or Raven Blade?
Retro should do a Star Fox game.
This is Nintendo's Sonic Boom
So how many more games does Retro need to put out before they ever let them attempt to make a new IP
Imagine being someone who personally worked on Prime 3 than DKR than DKCTF to Harmony
Since all their original pitches failed. Not sure.
Rip
Chances are all assets for the project is destroyed by now.
Oh god the shitstorm that would have ensued if this was released. ACfag would have pretty much unlimited ammo. And the shitposting would have made the board unusable between this and Federation Force.
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never let them off the leash again nintendo
Retro will never creafe a new IP.
Not even close
Sonic Boom came out and was a reimagining of an existing IP
I'm honestly surprised Retro didn't have more than one project in the works just in case one was going nowhere.
Is that a thing?
Even Rare keeps assets of their cancelled stuff
I'm moreso referring to the generic fantasy aesthetic and action adventure gameplay
"We’re pretty much on one major project at a time. We do a game every two years or three years," Kelbaugh added. "Sometimes we’ll have a little bit of extra bandwidth to help out other entities at Nintendo. Do we have the bandwidth to do two major projects at once? I don’t think so. A big project and a little project at the same time, we can do that."
The small project being Funky Mode I guess
In Japanese companies if a computer project gets cancelled then all assets are usually ordered to be destroyed to prevent leaks.
What would the Metroid and Donkey Kong cameo have been?
Star Fox 2?
Gigaleak?
SF2 was made by Argonaut, who were stationed in the UK.
To be fair, the DOOOOO and songs are clearly placeholders.
Probably some paintings of the Tiki tak tribe for the Donkey Kong Cameo. And Samus's ship again for the Metroid cameo.
if she could summon different elemental monsters throughout the game it would be much more like the forgotten Rare game Kameo: Element of Power
even in their cancelled games they can't stop feeding from Rare's remains
We know at bare minimum there was four and that she'd be able to ride them
Which is ironic because Retro had nothing to do with Rare. The original founders were from Acclaim's Iguana studios. Best known for Turok and that one South Park FPS.
The Retro is the new Rare comparisons were something that became prominent around the release of Tropical Freeze
I don't want to sound like a broken record so I won't go over why that comparison falls apart
I like ever oasis art direction much more and even thematically it's more interesting, not a lot of one thousand and one nights inspired fantasy games out there
Looks like a game made by a woman with blue hair.
Viva Pinata and Kameo are soul
Days later
No porn
Gentleman, is Rule 34 dead?
Anon Babble pretends to like this absolute garbage to be le unique
when will you dumb niggers stop trying so hard to be contrarians
Tactics game
Something as a small side project since they've wanted to make it for Metroid or Zelda but might as well make it a new IP if it could work
You know how Spire is supposedly based on an enemy from Raven Blade and his backstory is a reference to this with how he's the last of his kind?
Imagine if there was a character in Prime 4 based on Fon who was the last survivor of her world/dimension/whatever being destroyed through entropy or something and her song is the last ounce of culture she brought with her and will die with her as a result
no porn
You just haven't been looking
link?
Imagine if there was a character in Prime 4 based on Fon
Imagine if that character's name was Samus.
Nah, looks like it was made by boomers
its a shame retro couldn't get it to work, there aren't enough nintendo redheads