It's time for widespread agreement that this is no longer the greatest game of all time. It's ridiculous that this is considered the best of all time because of how good it was at the time it came out. That's like saying the first ford from 1896 is the best because it was "so influential" and there was "nothing else like it at the time"
Video games is the ONLY medium that does this.
Elden Ring should be considered the new GOAT.
I rank it rather low
No, OoT is better and easily top 5 material. Elden Ring is shit and isn't even better than Demon's souls or Dark Souls, let alone the "best game ever".
I played this game recently as a young zoomer who had never touched a zelda game in my life and I really liked it though
elden ring
LOL. LMAO, even. Every time someone seethes about OoT, it’s always a souls tranny. Embarrassing.
It’s still the best game of all time.
b-b-but modern technology and desig-
The fact that you think those are what define a game’s greatness on their own is closely related to you being a tranny and your bloodline ending with you.
No. I will not elaborate.
Oot is the lotr of gaming. Not because they’re both fantasy but because both channel the primal over soul of mankind in a way that nearly nothing else can.
it's great because it's old and stuff
that's why it's shit now
cannot even begin to understand my thinking
You will never be a woman. Nor will you ever be a man. You will only ever be a stunted dysgenic golem trying and failing to form a coherent identity because you cannot even begin to understand the world or even your own soul.
It was never the best game of all time. But it's still really really fucking good.
Always someone young and desperate to revise history.
How is it revising history to say that it used to be considered the greatest game of all time but now we should move on? It’s been literally 26 years. There ARE better singleplayer experiences.
Respond to or fuck off
true
Eldin ring is still not as good as OOT because OOT has a better immersion and gameplay and Eldin ring is just a clone of OOT it stole from it lol.
I'd go back in time if I could. And beat your mother to death.
I disagree.
oot is a game that appeals to everyone
I personally like alttp more, but it’s appeal is not as broad as oot
this is no longer the greatest game of all time
It was never the greatest game of all time. Only delusional tendies believe that it is.
There is a reason why the vast majority of games considered to be GOAT contenders came out between like 1995 - 2002.
It's the first era of kids that were just entering their gaming years that actually had a gaming culture and a place to discuss them that was even remotely mainstream.
Gen X and boomers that played games in the 70s through the early 90s either didn't give a shit or had nowhere to talk about them where they weren't called geeks and losers.
The reason you're starting to see pushback on this stuff now is because now a new generation of people are inserting the games that left that same impression on them at the same age.
OoT is my favorite game ever. It was the first game I was really addicted to. I was 7 when it came out.
Eventually there's going to be a bunch of 30 somethings posting online talking about a game that came out when they were 7 being the GOAT. We aren't there yet but we will be soon.
That's like saying the first ford from 1896 is the best because it was "so influential"
yes. that's why fordism exists. that's why brave new world had T-tower, named after the model-T.
There's never really been another game like OOT for me. It's seriously a weird game. People act like MM is the weird one but they're both bizarre as fuck and full of weird shit.
It’s not the best game of all time, no matter how much Nintendo pays off journalists to say so.
What is then?
Elden rings level design and dungeons are DOG. SHIT. compared to oot. Theyre only good by today's very low standards
Super Metroid.
The reason you're starting to see pushback on this stuff now is because now a new generation of people are inserting the games that left that same impression on them at the same age.
It’s just a shame that those games are complete and total dog water compared to what came before
i think it says a lot for OoT that its probably the only game i've ever seen where outside of contrarians online you literally never get a negative take about it
if you bring up OoT to a random person irl the reaction is either going to be
don't game
never played it
it's fucking amazing
every other game i've discussed in my entire life has always had somebody who said they didn't like it or it wasn't for them. no one says that about OoT, ever.
its very good but like ff7 people suck it off way too much. also the 3ds version is better only because i like the bottom screen support in it.
People have no idea how the top greatest games of all time are classified.
Majora's Mask.
ff7 sucks ass too
Probably the best atmosphere in a game that will ever fucking exist in this timeline. Idk how they did it
It never was. Pic related is, always has been, and always will be the GOAT
It's a good game, but definitely a bit dated by todays standards, but back when it came out, there was nothing like it. It's like playing vanilla WoW, it was INCREDIBLE in 2004, but compared to games today, it's nothing special.
What are you talking about vanilla wow rapes every modern mmorpg
Is everyone on this board a troll or what ?
Elden ring is the game the whole world wanted since OOT, it has better bosses, better dungeons, better combat, better art direction, better NPCs, better story and 1 million different builds possible
The only thing OOT has in its favor is the OST, Elden ring is the new GOAT
Maximum soul. Get ready for the haters tho.
ah yes this good game is actually bad because critics liked it
Vanilla WoW is an exceedingly basic MMO and really rough around the edges, the only reason it's looked upon so fondly was because it was the first casual approach to MMO's that anyone could jump into and play because it was too easy.
lol
Video games is the ONLY medium that does this.
Yeah, I know right. Nobody would do this for literature, or cinema, or music or anything like that, the best examples of everything all came out within the last 10-20 years, as everyone knows. Everything just keeps getting better and better.
Is everyone on this board a troll or what ?
yes
I'll humor you and pretend you aren't trolling. Elden ring is a really good game. Very fun. Definitely got my money's worth out of it.
It's probably not top 20 when considering "GOAT" games. Shit it's not even the best game in it's own series.
Looking again I should have known you were trolling when you said "better story" lol.
GOAT games are OoT, Bucky O'Hare on NES, and NHL 94
This thread looks like a bag of broccoli right now
It’s wild that despite being a basic MMO vanilla WoW still feels the best to play. No other MMO has come close
Elden Ring sucks but OoT is only the second best N64 Zelda game.
Cause it feels good to get upgrade, you can feel and see the upgrade by getting a single good item. Most MMO's couldn't do that. The polish it had really helped, the animations, movement, minimal loading screens, scale of the world. It really was amazing.
That bullshit about OOT was always nothing but the result of console wars. N64s library was so atrocious, that tendies had to convince themselves (and the rest of the world) that the few decent games they had were the best ones ever. It was nothing but bullshit, born out of pure frustration and sadness. People who actually love video games don't even believe in one single video game being the greatest one. At worst, they believe in a canon that includes several games.
Even for the standards of its time (I know because I bought the game at launch), Zelda OOT had a mediocre battle system, a simplistic midi soundtrack, mediocre puzzles, a desertic map with four trees, retarded enemies, a generic plot with very plain characters and lore, poorly directed cutscenes, no voices, tons of automatisms, an atrocious framerate, poorly designed supporting characters. It isn't even a particularly innovative game, being clearly inspired by Tomb Raider and Goemon 64.
Alundra clearly surpasses it in terms of dungeons, puzzles, world map, plot and characters...
Reflect on how ancient the games in your top 20 are. Think really hard about it.
Bucky O'Hare on NES
MY NIGGA
no longer greatest game of all time
yes. it was always pretty retarded praise anyway.
suggesting a replacement game for that "title"
fool's errand. utterly pointless. dont do that.
the actual execution of oot's soundtrack is dogshit. really whiny and grating horns. the sheet music and modern arrangements are good, but the original, actual music is not. elden ring objectively has a better quality ost.
I mean just how responsive the abilities and combat felt alone is why it’s still the best. Unless your internet was shit the moment you pressed a button you started casting something or attacking someone and your ability cooldowns weren’t as egregious as they are now.
Plus it felt like an actual adventure even if it was still a theme park
Nah
I agree it isnt the GOAT anymore... Zelda 4 swords with friends back in the day is
Elden Ring's "dungeons" don't even attempt the same thing OoT's dungeons did, so it is dumb to compare them. BUT even if you compare them directly, OoT's dungeons shit all over ER's "dungeons"
youtube.com
If you listen to this you can just IMAGINE the entire Water Temple, all levels, all gimmicks, the boss, the enemies, if you have played it. ER's dungeons are just "walk around killing stuff till you find the boss"
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GameRankings 98% (Highest ever)
Metacritic 99/100 (highest ever)
Now google (1998 video games) for me champ and you'll see what games Ocarina of Time was competing with on the market when it accomplished this
Elden Ring should be considered the new GOAT.
Elden Ring makes "quantity over quality" come to mind for me.
I consider it a 6/10 and OoT an 8/10.
because its bandwagoning zealotry. its blind nostalgia that they cant give up. you're right that its weird that nobody can ever be honest about it, because anyone saying ANYTHING negative about the game gets labeled a "contrarian" and drowned out by a sea of mindless zealots endlessly dicksucking it.
You lucky fucker. I only managed to get one friend to play it with me, but he didn't like it nearly as much as I did.
Whenever I use a toothpick and smell it, it smells like a chickencoop
One of my rl friends actually played on dial-up during Vanilla and I was at his house helping him figure shit out and it was maybe like a 1.5 second delay, not bad for dialup.
1998 had Metal Gear Solid (PS1) | Resident Evil 2 (PS1) | Half-Life (PC) | Banjo-Kazooie (N64) | StarCraft (PC) | Pokémon Red/Blue (Game Boy, NA) | Gran Turismo (PS1) | Spyro the Dragon (PS1) | Crash Bandicoot: Warped (PS1) | Tomb Raider III (PS1/PC) | Xenogears (PS1) | Grim Fandango (PC) | F-Zero X (N64) | Baldur’s Gate (PC) | Tekken 3 (PS1) | Panzer Dragoon Saga (Saturn) | Radiant Silvergun (Saturn) | Suikoden II (PS1) | Fallout 2 (PC) | Shining Force III (Saturn) | Parasite Eve (PS1) | Star Ocean: The Second Story (PS1) | Street Fighter Alpha 3 (Arcade/PS1) | Marvel vs. Capcom: Clash of Super Heroes (Arcade) | SoulCalibur (Arcade)
There's no fucking argument against OOT since it had to compete with all of these and more games and it still is the best game of all time
There ARE better singleplayer experiences.
Such as...?
Not you, you're just a faggot toxotranny.
"Best game of all time" is obviously overhyping it a bit, but Ocarina of Time is an extremely well-designed game.
I think any game developer trying to make an action-adventure game could stand to play it and learn from it.
oot zealots ITT
also, hi archive-fag! still no-lifing it up as usual?
The only game i could see a argument for is Metroid Prime
Majora's Mask
shallow romhack, very good game but falls short in lots of aspects
Dude what if beloved classic was actually not that good??? thread #65030
I fucking hate zoomers, dumb fucking retard generation that should've been aborted.
Majora's Mask is excellent.
Majora's Mask improved some things compared to Ocarina
Ocarina is still the overall better game.
symphony of the night
Falls short where?
Elden Ring is a piece of shit.
It's bloated, has tons of wasted development space, and generally has more to complain about than praise.
That it is a relatively good game for the modern era is a condemnation of the era, not praise for Elden Ring
it doesn’t make xer clitty leak therefore it’s bad
Elden ring is the game the whole world wanted since OOT,
lol no. Get fucked, tranny.
Souls-slop does not even compare, and ER is THE worst Souls-game by far. Also THE worst "open world" game ever made.
other games of that year
and im supposed to care... why?
nobody is saying that you cant like it or enjoy it. nobody is saying that it will undo your fond memories. all we're saying is that its dated as fuck and quite objectively not the best game ever made. "good at the time" or "good for that year" is LAUGHABLY meaningless and not an argument. objectively, its very primitive for the 3d medium. there are 2d games that are more polished and well designed. there are other 3d games that are more polished and well designed. i wont argue whether any of them are contemporary to oot, or just games that came later, thats entirely irrelevant. its simply a point of fact that it is in no way "the best".
It's more ridiculous that a game with a tenth of the staff had like 5 times as many unique enemies as its modern iteration.
Almost as if all the talent gets sucked into crafting boring ass terrains.
fr bruh this game be clunky af and link has no rizz. Open world games are the skibidi future on god
fromtrannies are a sad lot.
Story - Ocarina of Time
Atmosphere - Tied
Side content - Majora's Mask
Complexity - Majora's Mask
Dungeons - Ocarina of Time by far
Overworld - Majora's Mask
Pacing - Ocarina of Time by far
Items - Majora's Mask
Music - Ocarina of Time by far
Bosses - Ocarina of Time
NPCs - Ocarina of Time
Opening - Majora's Mask
Ending - Ocarina of Time
Main cast - Ocarina of Time
music should go to mm
quite a few oot songs are just reused lttp songs
It remains the best game of all-time. I'm not even a huge Zelda fan; only played OoT, Wind Waker and Link's Awakening.
Your standard is wrong. The first Ford isn't the best car, it's the best horseless carriage. We don't use horseless carriages any more. On the flip-side, OoT MUST be judged by what it was, when it was, meaning future influence isn't a factor, but the reasons why it would become influential: those were present in the game itself.
They are more obvious when you also look at what OoT suggested about the future of games, and the failure of games to follow it down that road and explore the places it stopped short of. Dark Souls would achieve the world design where inter-connected areas geometrically make sense, where OoT resorted to A-to-B portals meant to be natural shortcuts. Open-worlds meanwhile became icon-infested maps filled with meaningless chores, motivating the player with grotesque and unsentimental extrinsic rewards. When you unlock Epona in OoT, you are helping a friend, not just gaining a mount.
Dark Souls didn't keep up the coherent world design, which should have become a wider trend, but the stupid open-world chore-grind became a staple of everything, leading to the UI to support it, moving further into meaninglessness.
I look at modern games, and don't wonder about the future at all. They are wonderless.
Not even close you contrarian retard
Ocarina of Time is the Citizen Kane of gaming. When it came out it was a true revolution and helped pave the way for video games, just like Citizen Kane did for movies. By today's standards it's archaic, but if it didn't exist media wouldn't have progressed that well until someone else came along and did something similar by chance.
OoT still mogs the shit out of botw and totk.
So many stupid takes in this thread it's unbelievable...don't want to waste my time though...it's hopeless and nothing i can do anyway. Just had to point it out cuz nobody else was...both elden ring tards and oottards are hilariously wrong and retarded...
I’m contrarian for stating facts?
I bet you think oot was the origin of zeldas lullaby
Important to note for the creation of OoT.
A MASSIVE period of its "development" was spent, in essence, making and dicking around with the fancy engine. A room full of computer nerds, suddenly presented with a 3d engine to make shit, goof off, and make ideas work.
There was enough goofing off during the development of OoT, that an entire team split off a ways in, made a rail shooter named Star Fox 64, and then came back to OoT with lessons learned.
This is also why Majora's Mask's development worked in spite of the timeframe. Everyone working on the game was intimately knowledgeable with the engine, had been working on it for years and years, and more importantly had been PLAYING with it for years and years.
By modern standards it's archaic
Retard
We should brand people with their ranking of OoT, so I know who I can safely ignore when it comes to video games
You had me until you had to mention that From Software trash.
oot is visually better than alttp, but gameplay wise, it’s a downgrade
nintendo could literally take OOT port it to a new engine, change nothing else and it would sell 10 million copies today right now whilst running on the same 1998 code
not even the best fromsoft game
The first Ford isn't the best car, it's the best horseless carriage.
holy mental gymnastics and goalpost moving.
OoT MUST be judged by what it was, when it was
why? why cant we judge it on current standards?
Dark Souls would achieve the world design where inter-connected areas geometrically make sense
cool, but irrelevant. we're talking about oot.
OoT resorted to A-to-B portals meant to be natural shortcuts
not necessarily a pro or a con.
Open-worlds meanwhile became icon-infested maps filled with meaningless chores, motivating the player with grotesque and unsentimental extrinsic rewards
thinly veiled complaints about botw, which is also irrelevant. also it casually ignores oot's emptiness.
When you unlock Epona in OoT, you are helping a friend, not just gaining a mount.
they named the horse and put a quest of emphasis on it as a character, instead of just a nameless utility entity. wow, amazing. some games dont care and just want to give you power. so what? thats hardly the breakthough triumph.
rambling about dark souls and how jaded you are
you really provide no argument whatsoever. you also talk about judging oot for itself, but want to make weird comparisons/tangents to other games like dark souls and "open world games" (we know you mean botw and elden ring). how jaded you are now, and how nostalgic you are for having played oot at a sensitive time in your life is not an argument.
by that logic, pokémon diamond and pearl are timeless
, flawless games
weird shit
Really like what?
Ocarina of Time and Chrono Trigger are the two greatest games ever made.
Elden Ring is mediocre and is no where near even being the best fromsloppa.
One of those important little footnote things I feel is easy to overlook.
The Great Deku Tree.
It's the first dungeon. It isn't complicated, it isn't hard. Some people might even call it boring.
However. Never forget.
That motherfucking tutorial dungeon, with minimal direct nose leading, taught MULTIPLE generations of gamers how to puzzle solve and navigate in three dimensions.
I want you to really take a minute and think about that. How many hours have been spent on shitty tutorials that bounce off, leave people wondering how to access X or Y feature of the game hours later, or are just vague. And this one fucking tutorial taught multiple age groups of people how to do it. Do things like, hurtbox shifting via animations to avoid hazards or touch things. Look up to see something. Look at a completely, mechanically non-obvious problem like the web floor in the first room, and intuit "I need to go fast, how do I gain speed?"
do you seriously think oot invented 3d vidya puzzles?
tomb raider is a more likely culprit
"good at the time" or "good for that year" is LAUGHABLY meaningless and not an argument.
So you're genuinely going for the idea that the entirety of games released in 98, of all years, are just fundamentally outdated compared to modern games? Really?
plenty of people have picked up 3d games and learned how to play them without the "tutorial" games of the n64. oot isnt special. "just look up" is not a puzzle.
By today's standards it's archaic
I don't think it is, it aged extremely well. Spoilered text is very true.
They are good games
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For sure a lot of them would be. Even 2009/2010 would be considered "ancient" looking at it objectively. Thats the "O A T" of the acronym though.
You're not wrong to say that OoT remade in the elden ring engine with deeper boss fights would be a significantly more interesting game (and would blow elden ring itself out the water), but it still wouldn't be better than the original OoT.
It's like.
I wouldn't be caught dead jorking my penor to tetris, but there's absolutely no disputing tetris is in the running for all time all time GOATs.
Elden Ring is garbage though and already forgotten. OOT held the GOAT status for 3 decades straight with no opposition besides SoulCalibur and Resident Evil 4 briefly
Wanton use of hyperbole makes you a fag. Elden ring was a cultural phenomena and a great game.
Cultural phenonema
Nope
cope
cultural phenomena
So you agree that it isn't a masterpiece like OoT? It's just a fad.
Mankind's use of fire is still one of the greatest cornerstones of civilization and having napalm-throwing helicopters won't change that.
a few of the games im not really familiar with (saturn games), but pretty much everything in that list is extremely dated. starcraft holds up decently. pokemon could use some polish, but its simplicity holds it up ok. everything else has quite clearly and objectively been surpassed since then in a variety of ways.
regardless of that though, why couldnt we look at some other year to pick the "best" game? why 98? why does it HAVE to be oot? its all arbitrary zealotry with no real argument. "good at the time" is not an argument.
Its only good because Ocarina was good
OOT is still the GOAT.
nice try, tendie cultist
I don’t own a PC and have mainly used nintendo consoles, I’m just tired of nostalgiablinded faggots like you who aren’t even picking the best retro zelda
i could make the game better, but it wouldnt be better
oot zealotry in a nutshell.
This is correct
Ok PC vegan.
Elden Ring is shit though
ootsnoys aren’t sending their best
Why couldn't Nintendo just make another one with this simple formula?? Majora mask can blow me. Every game doesn't need a freaking gimmick nintendo!!! Reee
ootsnoys
Eric **** & got *****
By today's standards it's archaic
Its not archaic because all the things it did are still common in games today. Anybody that plays SS or WW first, then goes back to OoT are gonna realize all their design elements were just copied from an older game.
They're gonna play a game with Z-targeting and find out those games were just following what OoT did first.
OoT remade in the elden ring engine with deeper boss fights
OoT just in its own engine allows for allows for actually deeper boss fights compared to Elden Ring. In Elden Ring I can't pull out a tool that lets me grapple hook across the arena and fight a boss designed around me doing that, instead all the fights in that game have to basically assume that I'm a dude with nothing but a knife and allow me to beat them with the most basic of tools available to me.
snes status, 64kiddy?
Lost!
Raped!
Are you saying OoT was NOT a cultural phenomena?
In a few years people will forget Elden Ring exists. No one is going to be talking about it nearly three decades after its release like they are with Ocarina of Time.
most franchises (especially nintendo) use big, gameplay changing gimmicks for every iteration. sometimes mario gets away with just some powerups, but think about the 3d marios. 64 is plain and "pure". sunshine has fludd. galaxy has gravity and waggle shit. odyssey has cappy. look at sonic with all of his gay friends changing gameplay. then heros. then guns. then boost shit. then waggle shit. then werehog shit. then wisps. you can call oot "plain and pure", but its main gimmick was simply BEING 3d, and the ocarina with adult/kid stuff. then masks and time limit. then sailing. then wolf shit. then waggle shit. then open world. its genuinely a fluke that galaxy 2 didnt change much.
No, I'm saying that it is a timeless masterpiece, unlike Elden Ring.
Both hooked up to my CRT
prove it
Those are not mutually exclusive things
the musket isnt archaic, we still use guns today with bullets, gunpowder, etc!
it is primitive execution in the medium. that is irrefutable.
also it didnt invent z-targeting, and even "but other games were influenced by" is not an argument.
It's not moving a goal-post: I'm explaining why I think your standard of measurement isn't right. I can't move a goal-post when I hadn't set one down for anyone to hit.
why can't we just it on current standards?
Because current standards create mediocre games, by current standards, with many failures and a small number of ridiculous successes, outcomes which don't seem to reflect the game that got made but the marketing and sales strategy. These are games which can only compete with great games, because the standards are set purely to value 'progress' where that means mostly games that copy other games. Few games are based on real-life experiences, like games used to be, the Zelda series included
cool, but irrelevant
...not to the point I was making.
pro or con
It's not a matter of 'pro or con', but the juxtaposition of two different design goals: one to streamline travel before other fast-travel options become available as adult Link, and the other to make the game world cohesive. There are three world entrances to Lake Hyrule- the gate, the Gerudo river, and the underwater tunnel from Zora's domain. The first two make coherent sense as they match the geography of the world, but the Zora shortcut is a tunnel underwater that spans the entirety of Hyrule. You don't see inside it, and yet child Link apparently can swim through it in either direction with no reason for why.
complaints about botw
Not played BoTW, so I have nothing to complain about. Don't talk to me about arguments when you didn't read in the first place.
ocarina of time hit gaming during a massive transitional time, and it left a lasting impression on children that experienced that transition.
so you admit that its just blind nostalgia and the praise is just tendie zealotry, and not based on actual merits or quality?
better story
Now I know you’re just baiting. Elden Ring’s story is literally the zanzibart meme. Any video game story that requires youtube videos to understand is objectively trash. Miyazaki and his fellow hacks made a giant map, filled it with bosses and then pulled something out of their ass after a five minute phone call with le game of reddit fat man. I genuinely feel like I’m being baited when I see Souls troons discussing its “deep lore.”
N64s library was so atrocious
No it wasn't.
Don't need to. This thread will be dead by the time I get home from work anyway, PC vegan.
compared to ps1 and pc’s libraries, it was
it was better than the saturn’s library, but that’s not saying much
understood, 64kiddy
even gamecube was better
ootsnoys
I see you’re still trying to push this retarded and nonsensical meme. Kys.
Doesn't bother me. Enjoy your SNES and Gamecube, PC vegan!
You'll survive.
They kind of are though?
64kiddy thinks anyone who calls out the 64 is a pc user
Elden Ring has some nice visual design and good gameplay qualities but its bogged down by being mostly an asset reuse game. In no way could it be a GOAT. The fromsoftware game proceeding it is a heavier asset reuse game.
You'll survive.
calls out the 64
calls out
BWAHAHAHAHA
you have to play the song of poo poo pee pee under the deku ballsack EXACTLY at midnight to make the dungeon entrance open
you have to wait until day 2 then give a bottle of milk to the mailman at exactly 2:00 in east clocktown so he gives you the letter that you have to jizz on and give to the donkey dude at the ranch to get your horse back
How could anyone like these games?
ootschizos at it again
You just described Elden Ring
Its time we come to an agreement that modern sculpture is better than the ancient Greeks.
Sculpture is the ONLY medium that does this.
your system of actual analysis doesnt allow me to put my game at the top, so i have to rewrite it from scratch
yes, you moved the goalposts. just because you dont agree with basic, common sense because its inconvenient for you, doesnt mean that your copium isnt trying to move the goalposts. you dont get to decide where the goalposts are. its not a subjective matter. your opinion is worthless.
Because current standards create mediocre games
subjective, deflection. also a misunderstanding of what "standards" even are. nobody gives a fuck how jaded you are, faglord.
a small number of ridiculous successes, outcomes which don't seem to reflect the game that got made but the marketing and sales strategy.
just because you're a jaded fuck doesnt mean that a game isnt good or well made. just because YOU dont like it, doesnt mean that it was a bad game design or poor experience for others. you're extremely narcissistic in this manner.
the standards are set purely to value 'progress'
not what we're talking about at all. you're trying to point fingers and deflect again, if not disingenuously or deliberately misconstrue the argument that "oot is dated".
copy other games
pathetic copium. "no other game has done this mechanic before" is not a metric of quality.
Few games are based on real-life experiences, like games used to be, the Zelda series included
oh yeah dude, those real life experiences of blowing up walls with bombs to find treasure behind it, using a hookshot to cross a gap, killing demons with swords and magic. "but! but! the creator said it was inspired by exploring the wilderness and caves!" and that is far removed from any argument you could possibly make, and also completely irrelevant to the quality of a game. you're just a rambling faggot.
It's the best game ever made. But the switch shit has retroactively ruined it.
renaissance sculptors were better
It's time for widespread agreement that this is no longer the greatest game of all time. It's ridiculous that this is considered the best of all time because of how good it was at the time it came out. That's like saying the first ford from 1896 is the best because it was "so influential" and there was "nothing else like it at the time"
Which post in this thread caused this meltie?
also it didnt invent z-targeting
OoT's targeting system was vastly more advanced than anything that came before it, easily. It makes no sense how you're trying to label it 'primitive' when it does so much shit that barely anything is even able to replicate even when other devs try, it's not even clear to me in what respect you even consider it primitive considering how obviously sophisticated it is.
final fantasy has always mogged zelda
yes
Sounds like an autistic zoomer take on those old Triforce rumors.
DUDE just stand on the 3 triangles and play the diarrhea lullaby for the baby it's easy bro
just collect 30 anal beads and give them to the chicken at the end of day 3 then reverse time to get the mask of elf semen
yu mo guey chao general tsao
it’s always funny to see people who have little knowledge of art try and be tradlarpers with it, as if the trads weren’t the ones destroying art
I still think George Washington was one of the greatest presidents of all time regardless of the fact that he couldn't navigate modern politics, economies, and foreign relations for jack shit. All the matters is how greatly he surpassed his peers at the time and the importance of what he accomplished. That said Ocarina of Time is one of the greatest games of all time.
It was mine then. Thanks.
are the "trads" in the discord server with you right now?
I love that Zelda is not only one of the few series where quests like this actually are possible and make sense in context, but getting a letter and literally giving it to a dude at midnight so he can wipe his ass with it is an actual quest so this shit isn't far off from the actual games at all. That's how based they are.
don’t be obtuse
Undertale is the best game, and you're all a bunch of gen alpha kids.
My favorite is shooting an arrow at the rising sun at a specific spot at Lake Hylia.
If I don't get to decide where the non-existent goal-posts you invented are, am I not allowed to discuss them at all then? I tried my best in good-faith, but this is really about something else for you. We're never going to agree, and that's fine.
I think you need to pick up a dictionary
I think you should be beaten with one. Now fuck off roach.
eldenslop
Kys yourself
Concession accepted
cope. it still didnt invent it. and if it didnt invent it, then that means that it copied it, even if that copy contains improvements. as such, the copy cant be considered anything meaningful, right? because thats your argument for why laters games dont matter, because they were "just copying oot".
it does so much shit that barely anything is even able to replicate
lmao like what? theres a difference between "being able to" and "choosing not to because it doesnt fit our game". there is nothing in oot where a modern dev would look at it and go "omg, how did they even DO that? i cant even imagine creating something like that! its a technological wonder!"
and yes, it is objectively primitive for a 3d game. camera control is primitive. even your precious z-targeting is primitive because other games have made improvements to it. the graphics are primitive. the area density is primitive. the geometry/terrain is simplistic and primitive. the physics are primitive. the enemy ai is EXTREMELY primitive. the combat is primitive and underutilized (they had some interesting ideas for move variety, but its all largely meaningless and dont serve a purpose). menus are slow and clunky. text boxes are slow and unskippable. chests take too long and needlessly put up text boxes for shit like bombs and arrows. cutscenes for fucking doors closing take too long. the music and sound quality is flat. the list goes on and on. cool game and all, im sure you have fond memories of it, but literally every single aspect of it has been iterated on and improved upon. objectively speaking, it is a primitive game in the 3d medium.
yes, the value of painters (and art in general) is extremely arbitrary.
significantly more interesting
better
use the word better, anon
fucking autist
It must seem arbitrary to someone like you, that makes sense.
Don't shove your retarded surface level politics where they aren't wanted then.
because thats your argument for why laters games dont matter, because they were "just copying oot".
Nah his argument is how much better it was done compared to contemporary 3D games in the 5th gen and he's still right. Doesn't matter if jumping flash jumped first and lara croft targeted first. Those games are slop fests.
or you could just judge oot with common sense on its own quality as a game, and not be a pretentious zealot for it, lol. like, you have to actually judge and analyze things, not just start with the conclusion that its the best and work backwards through justifying it. because thats what you're doing. theres no good faith from you at all. just dick sucking zealotry.
It does hold up shockingly well, though. Largely due to it being a jack of all trades mechanically. There are also just very few games that ape Zelda's formula, but a lot that ape Zelda in bits and pieces.
If you're going by ocarina songs then it's definitely oot.
Mozart will always be greater than Taylor Swift, doesn't matter how much more technology she uses, or how many more sales she has.
H-heh concession accepted...
That's right, RUN litlle piggy.
actually doing it first doesnt matter, i just like this one better.
also once again saying GOOD AT THE TIME instead of a real argument
boring.
I just recently beat OOT a few days ago for the first time.
was definitely a 10/10. the dungeons were so far ahead of any other zelda game Ive played. pacing was excellent. music was incredible. the side content was just the right amount of being hidden but not overly obtuse. the items were satisying to use. I like how quickly you get thrown into the first dungeon.
high point of the game was forest and water temple for sure
michiru yamane is better than mozart
the dungeons were so good and so much better than other zelda games
just look up and shoot the eye is such a good and satisfying puzzle! i really struggled to figure it out a few times
right: soul
left: anti soul gas
but seriously you have to actually see a van gogh in person to get why its a big deal. he used paint in a texturely, 3d way that makes it unique and really makes it come alive. it also has a raw emotional impact on you. of course theres countless slop painters who could paint more realistically, thats not the point.
t. art fag
This but unironically.
this but unironically
lol Im a schizo because I...enjoyed the dungeons in OOT? really low bar we are setting here. I guess snoys and PCvegans arent sending their best, huh. but yes lets pretend the only aspect of puzzle solving in the entire game is shooting eyes.
actually doing it first doesnt matter, i just like this one better.
Which one? Tomb raider or OOT?
also once again saying GOOD AT THE TIME instead of a real argument
Correct. GOAT is always and has always been a measure of who was most successful and influential compared to their peers. I don't care that GTA6 has better graphics and mechanics than games from 30 years ago.
You haven't posted any common sense. You didn't read stuff(like me saying which games in the series I played) because you were already fixated on what you were going to reply with. You just dismissed everything I said without making the slightest effort to see my point in each case. I specifically point out flaws in OoT, which you do not acknowledge whilst calling me a zealot and implying I can't see them. I tried, and I'm going to stop now. You're guilty of everything you're using as accusations.
a modern artist could use the impressionist style as expertly as any of the greats from the impressionist movement, but they'll never be special or remembered because they arent from that time. the ONLY way they would be, is if some rich fag dropped a boatload of money on some of their paintings and spewed some pretentious drivel like you just did, causing others to bandwagon accordingly. its literally "rock on a pedestal in a spotlight". nobody gives a shit until they're told to give a shit, which is exactly why van gogh's fame only hit after he was dead. its exactly why anyone gives a shit about jackson pollack.
picrel is the actual, true GOAT. nothing in gaming before or since has the same emotional weight. atmosphere, music, storytelling, side content, gameplay depth, characters, everything about it shits on OOT.
even lufia 2, a 2d game, has better puzzles and dungeons.
I would argue that it holding up so well makes it an easier contender for the GOAT alongside Mario 3 and System Shock 2. Its most directly comparable predecessor, ALttP, has several instances that may as well say
buy nintendo power, faggot
While OoT is just pure level design and scenario-crafting mastery through context sensitive actions that make sense intuitively without you even thinking about it. Games today struggle to make worlds of similar size feel as dense. Combat is very simple but is focused on environmental novelty with only a few enemy encounters per hour of play time, and most of them will try something a little different.
Can we not drum up this ancient war? Both games are excellent
please point me to the modern artists who can do (post) impressionism like van gogh? you wont find them, they cant. only soulless imitations. while youre at it, find me a modern sculptor who can make the pieta or paint the sistine chapel. find a portrait artist who can replicate velasquez. spoiler alert: you wont. yes pollock is garbage and modern art is a literal jewish psyop and money laundering scheme, no argument there. but the greats are revered for a reason and modern faggots can only produce empty shells of that talent.
every aspect of oot has been iterated and improved upon. it does not stand out in any meaningful way. the end result and execution demonstrates itself as primitive in the 3d medium. it has no business being considered "best game of all time".
22 critics for 99 vs 86 critics for 96
Elden Ring won.
lufia 2
literally who?
I got stuck on OoT more than ALttP
Not even the best movie released in 1997
Not dogging on you senpai, but what is the big deal with Prime? I find it very technically impressive, Retro was obviously a cut above their contemporaries, but it's backtracking doesn't really capture the appeal of how Super did it. There is a lot of trudging through magmoor waiting to use your new power once to ostemsibly unlock a door.
Elden Ring isn't even the best Fromsoft game
unfunny
My top 10 would be mega man 1-6, doom, quake, contra, super c. Not because they were special when they came out, because they're still all I play and give a fuck about
96 is higher than 99
most intelligent fromslop supporter
I liked Goldeneye better
easily the best zelda dungeon of all time
22 is a better sample size than 86
least retarded pretendo69
Yeah, I'm no longer even entertaining the idea that you really wanted a reasoned discussion and it was just the back and forth between you and other anons that were working you up. You were a dick because you chose to be. Talk to yourself.
Agreed
Shame about the boss though
implying 69 is a bad number to be associated with
the eternal fromshit virgin
find me people even though they have no publicity!
lmao. artists dont pursue dead styles and movements so much because they cant make a living off of it. i think impressionism is neat because of its semi-abstract nature, but realism will always reign supreme. thats literally why the greatest art for 1000 years is always the realest. it isnt until much later that anyone starts celebrating anything more abstract or different, and its because of pretentiousness to literally "sell" you on how its good despite not being hyperrealistic. you calling anyone even attempting impressionism or cubism or whatever a "soulless imitation" or "empty shell" is just further feeding into that arbitrary pretentiousness. is it worse, or is it just different? you havent been told to consider it good, so you dont. you're no better than the rest of them.
the only furry/scaley character who made me question myself
he eats pussy
oh NO NO NO NO!
About it being easy or that it raped Ruto to death?
you have no actual response and no argument. you can not refute those simple objective facts. any attempt to do so would be self evident as disingenuous zealotry. no amount of floundering will change that. good move not making that blunder, but i accept your concession.
One of the things OoT gets better than vietually any game is pacing. I love Souls games but they are very obviously combat focused experiences. OoT is neither geared towards action or dicking about like many of the games that would expand upon its large world until we got open world games. It's not strictly exploratory or maze-like, as it does nudge you along to set pieces and the dungeons are segmented. It has the long, globetrotting adventure vibe of an RPG without being one. It's actually very lean, particularly compared to post N64-3D Zelda. Despite being pretty simple and easy, I never feel like the game is just one thing, which is how most games feel to me.
Terraria. It even has a better story to boot.
OOT is a masterpiece but the bosses all kind of suck
thinking back I think the only ones that were decent were phantom ganon (better than the real ganon fight) and maybe the one with big hands drumming you
LttP was always better than OOT anyway
Agree to disagree.
better story
nice bait
oh ok, so youre just one of those "closer to realism=means it better" brainlets, got it. youre right anon, a photorealistic slop completely deprived of any creativity is the peak of art.
i disagree with objective, observable, measurable truth, so i deny reality and substitute my own.
literal tranny mentality.
See
attention eric: you lost, and got raped. trying to shit on OOT after the fact wont change that.
LttP isn't even better than LA, let alone OoT.
it's not better than the Live Action Zelda movie??
closer to realism=means it better
no, i said that what is considered great art will always lean to realism, and it always has. this is demonstrably true by just looking at what is considered high art for the past 2000 years. even DURING times where abstract/weird styles were popular, realistic art was still praised and held in high regard. and thats just in the high art world. the GENERAL PUBLIC has always held realism in high regard as well. if you can do realism well, you will always have somebody interested to appreciate it. if you do something more abstract, your market becomes much more narrow and niche. this is simple fact.
What did this ‘eric’ person do to make you all seethe so much?
Link's Awakening you retarded secondary. Wow, shocker that the LttPsissy hasn't touched other better Zeldas.
of all time means that it only competes against things at the same time as it. anything before or after is meaningless
then its not "of ALL time" then, retard.
even DURING times where abstract/weird styles were popular, realistic art was still praised and held in high regard
No it wasn't.
the GENERAL PUBLIC has always held realism in high regard as well.
No they haven't
this is simple fact.
Opinion actually.
Video games is the ONLY medium that does this.
True.
are high-artfags really this disconnected from reality?
ask your normie neighbors if they prefer realistic art
abstract art has had a far bigger market than realism for like 100 years now. I dont agree with it, but its the truth. I even to art school (because Im retarded) wanting to learn how to be a better realist, and all they did was push abstract bullshit on me. every succesful artist I met was a nepobaby shilling finger painting tier abstract garbage.
He lost & got raped. What about that don't you understand?
most homes have portraits and/or photographs of family
the general public doesnt value realism
lmao
pretending his grandmother didnt own something from thomas kinkade
lmao
Yeah it is. I'm still considering games from all eras compared to their peers. You don't strike me as a sports fag since you're obviously a raging PC vegan autist, but this topic comes up all the time when discussing greatest athletes of all time. Obviously modern athletes are bigger faster stronger. Doesn't matter because you're comparing how great they were to their peers. A highschool pitcher today has a better arm than Cy Young. That takes nothing away from what Cy Young accomplished, and doesn't make the high school pitcher better than him.
yes, abstract shit has gotten very popular, but that doesnt mean that realism isnt valued anymore. fuck, even young adult fantasy book covers use realistic art and not abstract art. theres always a market for realistic. to make it in abstract, you have to convince other people that theres some sort of "purpose" or value in it. with realism, it just has to look good, and thats generally pretty self evident. any layman can do that. thats why it will never go away.
I didn't say any of those things.
seriously can someone give me a QRD on this eric fellow? I know he got raped, but why?
compared to their peers
is still only a contemporary comparison.
of all time
implies comparing to ALL entries from ALL time. thats just a fundamental semantic fact of definition. dont be a disingenuous retard.
sports
you're still calling them "great at the time" and not "greatest of all time". there are a lot of aspects to consider when comparing athletes. points scored, averages, even win/loss despite it being a team game, and probably many more depending on the sport and metrics measured. just because they may be known for exceptional performance in one area, other athletes may have better stats in another. who is better? which stat matters most? arguing over "well the people around them at the time were of THIS caliber, so its not a FAIR comparison" is so tertiary and largely irrelevant that you're retarded for bringing it up.
it literally boils down to "its not fair, because this other person is clearly better." "so you admit that they arent greatest, because other athletes are better?" "n-n-no! they're still the greatest!" "you just admitted that they arent though." "s-shut up!"
you should kill yourself for being so retarded.
if something is better, its better. "what they accomplished" is such a pathetic cope and fake metric.
Just a troll. Only notable for his longevity on Anon Babble. Posting style can be described as: shouting and angry.
its just one of those "im going to assign a name to anyone that posts about this topic with this stance". people use other names for other games too. its like a consistent meme on Anon Babble, thats all.
Don't care if you don't like that system. It is objectively a system that is generally accepted and being used whenever people rank OOT as the GOAT. COD Blackops 6 has better graphics, frame rate, sound, and visuals, nobody cares. You're allowed to disagree and make your own list using your own ranking system.
i just use the system that lets me put my favorite at the top, because its MY favorite
delusional zealotry cope.
Feel free to use a different system.
OOT, mario 64, kart 64, goldeneye, banjo
FFVII, MGS, RE, SOTN
saturn: .......
why does 5th gen have the most "greatest games of all time" of all time?