The greatest empire in human history
no games about it
What gives?
The greatest empire in human history
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AGE of empires is just an rts that can hardly properly depict the scale of an actual empire. You'd need something on the scale of total war games or crusader kings for a strategy game to properly depict the mongol empire.
copycat is more famous than the original
No game has gotten horse archery quite right.
they cant even make good games in a corridor, let alone something this big
There was a cool Civ 4 scenario where you play as them with movable spawning base camps and got tech from sacking cities.
China didn't want to fund a game where they got bred to hell and back by mongols.
You'd think that making the steppe environment wouldn't be that difficult. It is mostly just endless expanse of flat grasslands. Some sort of mongol game where you just roam the steppe with your clan, raid other clans/settled peoples etc could be neat.
The Chronoton bombs used in the Hyper War really fucked with people's recollections.
The world isn't ready for such kino.
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Imagine the tantrums.
China and Iran is impressive but more than half of that is just endless empty steppe
they only had 5 minutes of fame before overextending themselves
It really wasn't an empire, more like an area that they just roamed around like a pack of niggers.
Shut up.
They didn't really overextend themselves. They collapsed because of retarded succession crisises that led to them fighting against each other and splitting apart into smaller khananates. Plus the chinks doing the whole cultural assimilation shit to their conquerors led to the chinese khananate being alienated from the rest of the khananates so when the chinks began to overthrow their mongol overlords the other mongols didn't give a fuck.
they did
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All of that stuck together pretty well until the aforementioned succession crisises. I wouldn't call it over-extension.
India is impressive but more than half of that is just endless empty wasteland
succession crisises were symptom of over extension anon, not even their famed post offices could mitigate it
the only impressive thing about Britain was the colonies and their success, India wasnt so bad but half of africa was literally just spearchuckers
They really weren't. The succession crisises stemmed far more from the fact that they genuinely lacked a proper law of succession and Möngke Khan never naming a successor to himself which led to the mongol civil war.
They were curb stomping the rest of the world until the civil war shit.
that is wrong
This, that other retard has no idea what he's talking about.
they are the most fun civ in age of empires 2 by a wide margin
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Why doesn't this image mention that British empire is effectively a successor of Mongol empire?
It was declared in India, with head of state being Empress of India and not Britain, as an official successor of Indian Mughal empire which was claiming to descend from Genghis Khan.
The relationship between Britain and jeets and other asians goes way farther than you think, and you don't see the entirety of it.
I don't think that there are any strategy games out there that really do justice to nomadic peoples in general, as most such games are based around the model of establishing bases/settlements/cities etc and building shit which goes against the whole modus operandi of peoples like Mongols etc.
Medieval 2 total war did a pretty great impression of a Mongol invasion of Europe though.
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Finns aren't mongols. Finns arrived in Finland long before mongol conquests and the Finno ugric peoples of Siberia etc that the mongols conquered are merely just cousins of Finns, descending from those finno ugrics who never left the urals etc.
The notion that Finns are mongols started out as swedish propaganda and lives on merely as meme. There is no actual historical, linguistic or genetic basis for the claim.
Though it is a pretty funny meme desu. youtube.com
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Wilds had something, sort of.
You could ride your mount and shoot your Bowgun at the same time, and it was a viable way to play because it let you maintain distance between you and the monster.
Capcom nuked it from orbit though, which makes sense desu
No, you are wrong. Even a cursory reading of the fucking wikipedia article on the Mongol empire would be sufficient to educate you on what actually caused the division of the united mongol empire into the successor khananates and it was the mongol civil war, not over extension.
Möngke Khan
Do chinks still seethe about mongols to this day?
That's what he was called
The Chinese only stop seething over a thing when another thing they seethe over harder is made their focus.
I seriously doubt they give a fuck, anon. That would be like germans seething about the romans.
no mention of hulagu's achievements
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most of the chinks are already half mongolians.
as far as I can tell chinks only despise them as how an average European despise ottoman empire. they have a right to seethe over them cuz mongols like ottoman were just barbarians who had no redeeming quality and only cared about destroying,looting and raping other neighbouring dynasties.
Of course, they'll lie about every aspect of their history to pretend Han have always been the bestest, most dominant force
No joke I would love to see a game using the Finno-Korean Hyper War as a setting.
the main reason why succession crisis even occurred was that the ''electors'' were far away and so shit happened because they could not intervene at time
the main reason of the succession crisis was over extension, they simply reached geographic boundaries of their expansion, if they were smaller then the crisis would not happen
Chinks seethe about all central asians because they have been their slaves for the past 1000 years. Their last and most successful dynasty, the Qing was literally Manchurian nomads that dominated all han and forced them through humiliation rituals for 300 years straight. Chinks are a slave race.
I mean. Han chinese empires outlived any other empire or kingdom (including romans) to this day just to get BTFO by japanese and Brits. They deserve some accolades to be one of the greatest civilized empire.
so they are like Israelis today??
It's closer to Turks and Greeks considering the time period but I guess it isn't the same considering the power disparity between modern China and Mongolia.
the qing were such manchu supremacists they flooded manchuria with chinamen after they lost outer manchuria to the russians, wiping out the native manchu.
Han survived as the second class citizens for hundreds of years under various foreign rulers until the ruling parties broke down for one reason or another. It's easier to name times they werent buck broken.
The premise of hyper advanced past empires that waged a devastating war that reduced humanity to stone age is fucking kino in general.
watch any piece of fiction
Huns are basically portrayed as Mongols
Why is this?
For the casual historylet, distinguishing between the various nomadic peoples that have ravaged the settled societies of Eurasia is typically too much to ask.
game delivers the story beats via an unreliable narrator
It's Jackie Chan
huns, turks, tatars, khazaks and mongols are related people afaik
close enough
You can kinda play them in Mount and Blade though
Han chinese empires outlived any other empire or kingdom (including romans) to this day just to get BTFO by japanese and Brits. They deserve some accolades to be one of the greatest civilized empire.
The Ottomans still have them beat in that regard
Chagatai was older than Ogedai
Ride horses
Hit and run
What's the difference?
All non-Mongol historical sources confuse Mongols with Tatars, it's nothing new, they always looked same
Ogedai
Super alcoholic
Also a great charismatic guy
Really he was the best choice among the siblings.
Jochi being a possible rape baby was the start of all the problems
turks
civilized
Bannerlord got pretty close until you figure out how to fuck their AI with the environment. Watching 500 Khuzaits circle strafing your lines only to come back with another 2000 strong blob is some real bullshit. I love the Fians and their ability to munch entire columns with each volley. Making the ending of 300 look like a joke.
circle strafing
Southern Romania is not a fucking steppe
t. I live there
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>Hit and run
It's always funny how much we meme horse archers when the heavy cavalry was more important
on Anon Babble no one knows that you're a gypsy
curb stomping the rest of the world
particularly the powerful empires in those zones like... those
it was before hungarians eat all the grass
pastures are what is important
The succession crisis wouldn't have had any issue on their expansion if they had a proper laws of succession, thus making it unnecessary to hold kurultai every time a leader died. Thus the core reason why their empire splintered was due to succession crisis, not over extension.
Why was Iran invaded and conquered by migratory people groups so many fucking times
The CCP pretending that there’s been a continuous 2000 year Han empire would be like the Italians suddenly deciding that they’ve had a continuous 2000 year Roman Empire
China has largely been a prize that other empires fought over, then got absorbed into, but even this isn’t that uniquely Chinese, as it’s common for foreign ruling classes to become absorbed into the local culture
To go both ways, House Windsor is practically a parody of Bri’ishness but they’re German, and a lot of the British lords that went to India ended up adopting so much Indian culture that it became an issue in Parliament where they were considered potential traitors
Iran is right next to the Eurasian steppe from which the migratory peoples flooded into the middle east multiple times troughout history.
why was the central of the entire continent conquered so many times
Its mostly the Eastern Europoors who keep moaning about the Mongol meme because they were raped, pillaged and conquered by superior Mongol cock. (Clearly because they wouldn't have been raped over and over again.)
To be fair, the Russians did eventually rape them back, and continue to rape them to this day.
So I'd say it's even.
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ride horse
bow
rape
almost all known world conquered
people back then were such jobbers
Pure fiction and never happened lol indo European men did fuck a bunch of mongliod woman and also taught and gave Mongolians the culture they have now
The closest game that gets to it is Paradigm Worlds if you trade out the Finns and Gooks with mushroom people mixed further with ayy lmao DNA and weaponized bacteria matured over the last 5000 years. The first era is pretty forgetful but everything after leading up to the Necrocorp timeline turns the whole thing into a fucked up hellscape. Future warfare, rampant mutations, psychic backlashes and dimension warping antics. And that's without turning on the chaos mode let alone the doomsday clock that fucks everyone up permanently. Regardless of their overall potential.
Proto Indo Europeans started all of that btw
I mean, the mongols did definitely pillage Eastern Europe for a little bit. They were driven out after a century or two, and their raids never went that far, but they did happen.
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Eurasia is truly the kinoest of continents in terms of peoples, history and geography.
If Mongolians did all of this with all technology and things invented and created by indo Europeans btw from horse riding etc then why is there no influence in Eastern Europe from Mongolian language and 99% of y dna is west Eurasian ? In fact even today most y dna in Central Asia etc is west Eurasian lol a lot of the mtDNA is East Asian
warlord rides his horses through an area once and loots
people 700 years later claim he ruled it and it was part of a larger empire
This is such a city slicker point of view of what empire should look like. If everybody in area has to pay tribute to you and you smash everybody who doesn't that's an empire.
after the arab conquest and collapse iran splintered into shitloads of muslim sects that were all at war with each other. it didnt help they invited in nomadic groups to serve as mercenaries in exchange for land.
what is the silk road
The idea that Finns are mongols genuinely was something that Swedish anthropologists, linguists and race scientists were pushing during the 19th century. They even brought that idea to USA and for a time Finns were classified as colored peoples by murrican immigration laws until the legislation was changed and murricans recognized Finns as white europeans.
Well Chinese did this to, Ghengis was a mercenary for the Jin China, whose job was to go kill other nomadic tribes, except he decided to kill just the leaders and absorb the rest and it got the ball rolling
My shithole defended against them just by building dirt walls. Sounds like "almost all known world" either didn't care to defend or wasn't even at that level of technological advancement yet, not sure which is worse
They didn't do much other than loot and rape.
How did the spaniards stop them
does the average mongolian girl in the street really look like this?
archery in bannerlord is better
There are cities in mongolia?
There's one
*city
Mongols didn't care about your shithole
only 1
You mean Western Koreans?
There's the capital, where 99% of the population lives
tf you mean "defended against them", the Kievan Rus' literally became a vassal state of the Mongols
ask mongloids to make games for themselves. It seems everyone in east asia seethe over them. There might be mongolians in inner mongolia,china who are tech literate enough to make good Mongolian games.
I doubt chinese government would tolerate a game that portrayed mongols in a positive light.
wtf were you expecting
Unironically is there a bigger example of just being known for one thing and that's it than mongolia is?
More or less picture related.
Throat singing and yurts
No country in the world has the average citizen living as nomads like this
VGHHHHH
if mongols knew about diplomacy like chinks and japanese. they wouldn't have lost so much land.
Just like Roman empire, mongol empire collapsed from inside.
No but with the way things are going this wouldn't be the worst way to go about it. They have no intention of letting you own property anymore.
The cityslickers and jews fear the nomadic chad.
they are probably the minority. most of the mongol population live in the city cuz mongolia is 99% desert.
I wonder if it's still there
We Wuz.
Keep coping. Look at the places Genghis Khan alone raided, not to mention Cumans.
It was as it was called pannonian steppe back then. The avars and later hungarians crazed it clean though
What would a game even be like? it's just a bunch of nomads on horses in a vast expanse of nothingness until you would enter a civilized area and loot, murder, and rape the shit out of them. They didn't really govern much of anything or build anything. They subjugate people, forcefully or not, then just kinda let them do their own thing while taking tribute. Hard to make a game like that unless it's a mount and blade type of game.
Don't know, but I wouldn't say no to one of those 2 meter tall ripped mongolian men if you know what I mean.
a bunch of nomads on horses in a vast expanse of nothingness until you would enter a civilized area and loot, murder, and rape the shit out of them
That alone would be a fantastic premise for a game by itself.
Just you and your bois riding the steppe, entering some cityslicker empire's lands, torching their fields, looting their cities, and taking their women as your concubines.
keep saying it.
That already exists, it's called Mount & Blade
kenshi
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what does it say
They didn't but the Great Icewall theory was still in effect by that point in history. Only during the final years of the empire did the rest of the continent start to become habitable enough for further human colonization.
there will never be a vidya set during the peak of the First Empire on the primary world that you see up in the night skies of Kenshi
biggest and best empire in human history
Civ7 releases it as DLC with the wrong woman in charge
and its patriarchal successor empire, the US, with a woman in charge and blackwashes slavery out of history but forgets that's why they chose said woman
If they can portray the Manchus in a positive light (and they did - a lot), why couldn't they with Mongols? They can easily employ the narrative that Han culture civilised the Mongol invaders and tamed their savagery.
Send diplomats and traders to Khwarazmian Empire
they kill them, steal their shit and mock you
you have to go there and raze their cities to the ground
send diplomats and traders to Kievan Rus
they kill them, steal their shit and mock you
you have to go there and raze their cities to the ground
Diplomacy doesn't work with city slickers, they don't respect you if you don't wear gucci loafers and drive a fancy german car
I remember when Butterlord came out there was a few webms circulating on Anon Babble with a Khan horse archer army decimating the enemy, it's what sold me on the game
How about I just shave your diplomats' beards?
send envoys on a multi year journey south through a shitty climate to collect tribute from a bunch of SEAmonkes
the ladyboy king has them peel the skin off their feet and make them march back in moccasins filled with rock salt
say that swift punishment will come for this shamefur dispray
never arrives because succession crisis
Rekt
It helps that horse archery is really fun in this game compared to Warband. If you take the perk that lets you use forestnigger longbows on horseback you become a flying railgun overnight. If only the rest of the Battanians could take the hint.
I'd it like ghost of tsushima except you raid chinese camps instead of liberating map you conquer it. Shit you can play GoT as a horse archer already as it is.
That's a grudging
Was it sassanians that it happened to IRL?
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Happens with a lot of older, poorly documented civilisations
There's like three or four in america that are just known for "le human sacrifices lmao". I'd take being known for the world's most successful conquest over that
It's kind of funny how a lot of the expansion of the Mongol Empire, especially during the rule of Ghenghis himself, was basically just a due to responding violently to the open disrespect the neighbors of the Mongols showcased them. The whole conquest of China, at least the northern portions of it, was also sort of just an accident due to how well the mongols were faring in the war against the chinks.
There's plenty of games about russia
YOU KNOW WHO I AM
Russoids ain't mongols, they are just mongol rape babies.
That's not the british empire.
If you want me to respect you, then don't park your horse in my parking space.
It's disrespectful.
We wuz
How can I we wuz something that’s proven to be real in history lol Indo Europeans were the 1st horse riders and started the steppa culture Scythians spread it out the average European male y dna is from indo Europeans
they are just mongol rape babies
If that’s true why is Russians y dna west Eurasian and not East Asian
Bro I have 10000 horses, where I'm gonna park them
Russians aren't even human
Inb4 bot swarm
Angloids
civilized
Kys Jew
Stop projecting ricecel larper
Mongol Empire thread on Anon Babble
Uhhhh.... based?
*blocks your path*
*blocks your path again*
How do you respond without sounding mad?
An Empire's success isn't determined by the amount of land it conquered but by its continued existence in the coming years. This is why Napoleonic France, the multiple German "Empires", the Mongols, the Japanese Empire and the Swedish Empires weren't really successful as Empires and their influence banished.
noone remembers you roach.
Keep your barbarian ass out of Europa
At least white people left behind railroads and shit that no longer work because of socioeconomic factors
greatest empire
that would be the British Empire tbqhwy
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