but first, here's our terms
PAY VOICE ACTORS
not a mafia btw
FOUR THOUSAND US DOLLARS
lmao do you think voice actors break people's legs and assassinate people or something?
prove they're not
If I saw anyone hand me this shit I'd immediately cut all ties with them. Why would I have to deal with this shit when I could just hire a FIverr VA or some other indie who actually just speaks casually and like a normal human being when it comes to this type of work. We simply just agree on payment and how we do it (either they record in their own or we do a live directed session where I instruct them), then once that's done with, they send the audio and I sent the money. That's it. No other retard legal shit like this.
Do you think that's all a mob does you spastic?
Hard to imagine why people op to use Al voices
THINK OF THE POOR BILLIONAIRES!
Their "skill" is what? Talking? Thank god the computer makes these layabouts obsolete.
Time to use AI
One Billionaire > Social juctice mob
seethe
can't prove a negative
do you think the mob asks for a fair pay rise?
Do you think coming up with negotiation terms is a mob tactic? lol at these temporarily embarrassed millionaires.
Mobs make money by money laundering and protection rackets. Which part of Paimons voice actor looking like a mutant in a camera is money laundering or protection racketeering?
Considering how shit the pay for voice actors is compared to film actors, this looks pretty reasonable.
social justice mob
Where? Also ready for your 14 hour shift?
i only use jp voices so i see no problem with just cutting en voices anyway
They get paid shit because most people just change the audio to Japanese. English voice actors have become redundant in the labor pool
western VAs are more activists than actors.
Why do they demand they be paid thousands of dollars when they're role in the grand scheme of the whole game isn't even that important to begin with?
They also want to make that illegal.
This looks pretty reasonable, I'm sorry am*ricans think that a fair labour contract is literal communism or smth
t. wagie that does literal minimum work in a 39 hours week schedule in a heavily unionized company
inb4 hurr durr enjoy being fired
can't. That's EU law for you. As long as I do my minimum work there's literally nothing they can do to fire me. Been doing that for 6 years already.
I do not care for english voice actors
Shit like this is why union fags work on more non-union than union projects
AHAHAHAHAHAHHAA
Addition of Martin Luther King Jr. day and Juneteenth as contractual holidays
They literally can't help themselves, holy shit. The company they work at MUST observe the nigger holy day, the other nigger holy day, the nigger holy month, and pay out to the nigger lottery
The people writing the code, the script and making the art assets should be the voice actors.
I would be fine with this if voice acting was still what it used to be in the Golden Age.
youtube.com
But sadly, we will never have such peaks on the path we are now.
american culture, chud.
Let me get hired to voice over females, even though I'm a grown man!!!!
That's my right, xisisters!!!!
Eliminate all trannies
just start using fucking AI voice acting, fuck these idiots
If they could get away with it, yes.
Bunch of genshin VA's seemingly wanted the scab actors to die.
Who cares about English dubs?
Replace all voice actors with AI trained on their previous work.
They did in my lifetime. I'm not sure if the current crop could do it. In the old days, it was Johnny Rosselli. Frank Nitti. Jimmy Hoffa doing dirty union shit..
PAY. VOICE. ACTORS. WHAT. THEY'RE. WORTH. NOW.
NO, I WILL NOT 'FLIP BURGERS'.
I HAVE AN INVALUABLE SKILL, OKAY?
PAY. VOICE. ACTORS. WHAT. THEY'RE. WORTH
They should have to pay to be included in video games
Studios just have to quit using american/canadian "voice actors". Just go to any community theatres in a village in the UK, Ireland, Australia or New Zealand and pay them a few pizzas and they will give you performances a couple of thousand percent better.
Those terms are too high for the quality of 95% of the english VA workforce, they are totally replaced by AI.
It worked for megaman.
VAs threaten to walk from games
Remember that I play videogames for gameplay and don't care
Sounds completely reasonable.
Do they really deserve a jannie's yearly salary?
Oh it's my daily reminder that burgers hate worker and consumer rights
Bow to your oligarch overlords, slaves
Just return to devs making all the voice acting. If not that, just use AI or don't use voice acting at all. Entitled retards shouldn't be catered to just because they read a script and speak into a microphone.
€0 with Marx's face on
Read Das Kapital, bitch.
you read it niggerkike
What's this Schedule X it mentions for background work it mentions? Google turns up nothing.
while they were scabbing, don't forget that part. also one throwing up while saying they are autistic will never not be funny.
Voice Actors should follow global rule 1 (SAG-AFTRA'S, not Anon Babble's), if they aren't following, they should stop complaining
The Paimon VA still recording while pretending to be part of the protest is the funniest thing about this mess to me.
The overweight mentally-ill White women and fatfaced asians cannot do shit to normal people. That is the only reason why they aren't.
Absolutely nothing of value would be lost if english dubs ceased to exist, it would even improve the average of good english voice acting in vidya since most of the worst examples in the medium would disappear
Major studios making movie games should definitely be paying their voice actors well, since they're going all in to make b-movies but with "gameplay".
I'll keep not buying their products though.
Otherwise, studios focused on making a proper game can hire a couple voice actors to throw out 20 voice lines and call it a wrap.
Think how much worse the Elder Scrolls games get as they voice more and more content.
Zelda games used to be fine without voiced dialogue.
Other than quips and barks, games don't need voice acting unless the focus is on characters talking to eachother. Life is Strange type games.
I like what the other anon said about getting the devs to voice it practical enough to get the game off the ground.
If you need a movie star type character then you can pay for a pro voice actor. Otherwise fuck off and don't voice everything.
Surely if they're trying to push these demands on me, I could come up with my own that clearly stipulate they're not allowed to use the character they voice as mouthpiece for their own political takes and ideologies on social media since that would hurt both the reputation of my company, project and character itself, right?.... No?... Well too bad then, get fucked.
saaaar pls support AI saaaaar the real enemy is the White VA saar
They never learn
If these uppity VA faggots ever found out that most old voice acting was done by random fucks in the office they'd shit themselves.
nice try gianni
Why did Gianni delete his Xitter account with nearly 300k followers just to run off to the pedophile website known as TroonSkies just so he can barely have 46k followers?
He just posts the exact same type of gay tranny and degenerate shit on there as he did on Xitter.
he is a little boy groomer, wat do you expect?
I'm glad that the North America VA industry is sort of semi-collapsing because of this entire shit show.
literally one of the least important jobs in the entire industry
this uppity
burgers
white
voice actors are the waiters of the video game industry
waiters are paid better
be like Fromsoft and hire classically trained British theater actors, no one from the California voice actor clique
It's millionaires making demands of billionaires
Name one game that got improved thanks to VA
waiters are actually making shitton don't let them fool you. Those motherfuckers can easily make like 1500-2000 from tips alone on one busy weekend.
and they shouldnt
just like VAs
japanese games will have japanese voice actors
polish games will have polish voice actors
french games will have french voice actors
north american/british games will have AI-generated voice acting
is vidya saved?
actually they should, have you ever dealt with average mouthbreather? (aka customer) Anyone that has to deal with those on daily basis should be paid 6 figures at minimum
They shouldn't. Minium wage no tips.
then no one would work in that industry
Do voice actors ever hold any resentment that they didn't get into film or television instead?
pic related does. he was in some online skit show or something and i saw him posted on Anon Babble once as part of some background character for a film or something but i forgot where that's from, but you can see him trying to be an actual on screen 'actor here: youtube.com
he's absolutely seething over the fact he knows he's relegated to just do gay voices instead of actually playing roles.
good
Anon, we live in a time where WotC sent the Pinkertons to some guy for having Magic the Gathering cards early.
lol
Havent there always been memes about how VAs in japan eat up like 70-90% of an anime game's budget and a lot of em are barebones BECAUSE they usually hire the best moeblobs around? and they keep doing things in that manner because those popular vas genuinely push sales?
While in the west theres always the same 5-6 'anime' vas in shitty games because theres literally no one else in the VA field?
Are there even any notable EN vas that pull in customers to such a degree they themselves bring in more $?
why are voice actors so fucking crazy?
Americans
these people don't have voices worth "stealing" in the first place
corn syrup in they water
mandatory nigger holidays in your anime game
Americans should be shot.
juneteenth contractual holiday
starts kinda reasonable
oh btw contractually acknowledge junteenth and MLK day
hahahaha fucking what?
As days you have off work, like the US federal government does. It's not unreasonable.
FUCK UNIONS! FUCK CORPORATIONS! FUCK THE GOVERNMENT!
The government doesn't have to break your legs to ensure you WILL BUY the car (((Insurance)))
not legal racketeering btw
Pretty sure it just means the nigger holidays count as paid days off, however that works for VA shit where they only record for your company a couple of times a year. But I'm choosing to believe they're trying to force them to add a giant statue of MLK into the game because that's funnier.
kek
Nothing of value would be lost if games went back to text with no voice acting whatsoever.
This
american think that basic worker rights are that much to ask
And this is why living in the us is fucking hell
voice actor are worthle- ACK!
the one voicing that is an actual theater trained actor, not a dime a zone indie voice 'actor'
No one outside of Texas gave a shit about Juneteenth before 2016. Now people think it's the date the last of the slaves were released for some reason.
Voice actors don't even deserve human rights, replace them with AI RIGHT NOW!
11% wage increase per year
stopped reading there holy kek
voice acting
Gay and stupid for most games.
written text accompanied with a sound that plays during dialogue scrolling that gives you an idea as to what the character sounds like
PERFECT.
implying trannies like you give two shits about white people
You lost.
God damn Sorlag is hot, I would let her lay an egg on my chest and then murder me.
Can't wait for AI to replace these striking parasites
Aren't there only very few people in the union that can reach the threshold for health insurance?
if english dubs vanished overnight, what sector of society would suffer?
black people
You're already in yours, stop browsing Anon Babble wagie
Addition of Martin Luther King, Jr. day and Juneteenth as contractual holidays
We're just about making sure that those evil billionaires don't fleece the worker! That's you and me, comrade!
Small print: We want to install political commissars who will spread our hate and misery across the workplace and ensure the the industry is even more hostile to those evil customers who care more about high quality fun than whether we feel validated!
And put our pay above the needs of the story!
And protect bad workers who destroy the industry by driving off the customer!
And bring in more of us to solidify our control!
And while we're transforming our industry into a worthless community that serves nobody but ourselves, we'll demand more money!
And anyone who goes against this won't be allowed to work in the industry!
The fact that the union is a headache for the owner doesn't mean that they're good people who are friends to the customer or to the good worker who actually belongs in the industry. The class warfare mindset is the most brainlet pseudo-intellectual bullshit ever.
Fire them all, start over, and be smarter about who you hire this time.
Do you think coming up with negotiation terms is a mob tactic
Yeah, you’re aware that the mob used to have control over a bunch of workers unions right? They negotiated all the time.
This, they know they’re insufferable so they have to create a narrative that if you don’t like them you support corporations.
Why would you not use AI voice at this point?
AI voice is the only ai I support. Fuck localized and fuck their va entitled cunts who think they should be royalty just for saying words
people who can't play games unless they look "realistic"
trannies freak out over it
and? they don't buy games anyway
not worth the pr hassle
AI still can't do vocal inflections very convincingly without a lot of guidance, making even the bottom tier of "voice actor" more capable in most situations.
Just don’t have va then. Better then bottom feeder troons taking your budget
There's no violence so this strong arming and one sided deal is fine!
Lol
AI still can't do vocal inflections very convincingly without a lot of guidance, making even the bottom tier of "voice actor" more capable in most situations.
it's unironically faster to just wrangle an ai until you get what you want than work with "bottom tier" vas, since the result would be roughly equal.
at least ai is available at any second of the day and gives results immediately, compared to most voice actors who take weeks or even months to record like 20 lines of dialogue.
t. worked with vas on a project before
record no more than 20 lines per game, with each not being longer than 5 seconds
Go to twitter and start bitching because u think u deserve a Hollywood actor salary, even though you have no real talent and your entire participation on projects can be done in a single 6 hours shift
Voice "actors" are one of the biggest issues with modern gaming, if hiring unskilled niggers,pajeets,troons and women wasn't already affecting the developments enough now we have this type of drama
Genuinely the whole genshin VA controversy completely disillusioned me on the VA union.
They all legitimately deserve to lose their jobs and NOBODY should go union AT ALL.
Kiosks and online menus are better. So I agree, get rid if them
EUfag here, is the voice acting scene there in USA so fucking shit that the only viable options you guys have are mentally ill trannies?
Voice Actors: here's our terms
Studios:
QFT.
I really hope that this is going to end for them getting paid more BUT they will have no say in what they voice, you know, how it's used to be.
ok now you have to say "I hate jews and niggers"
b-but it's unhetical and
do you want to be fired or what? I already pay you like 5k monthly, do the fucking job or go home.
oh, you don't have to hire american specifically if you don't want to, you can just go for canadians, in which case, you'll get someone like PIC RELATED.
I still don't get this honestly, you're supposed to fucking ACT, but if you have to act something you don't like, you throw hissy fit like a faggot. What if for example they were given the role of the villain but then later complain that the villain starts saying racist or dehumanizing shit and demand the dialogue lines gets softened up..,. like what the fuck did you expect when you accepted the role of a villain??
Redditors
More companies are just going to do business with the UK instead or they'll use AI.
neets discover that corporations aren't their friends and will use any opportunity to save a quick buck
I suppose here where I live VAs cares more about doing their jobs than upholding a political view for fake internet brownie points.
I would just use AI, and offer my employees a monetary bonus to use their voices for training. Hell, extend the offer to their friends and family. Pay for some quality studio time and BOOM. We're in the money and whiny VAs can go to trade school.
I always daydreamed about running a Game Studio that stuck to Indie or AA at most. I could imagine managing employees, hiring artists and programmers, hell, even a dedicated QA department. But whenever I think about the Voice Acting, I always think about how my team could make a great game, but the shmuck that was hired at the 75% development stage suddenly is making all these demands and headackes. Posting on Social Media with bad takes with my company's name in their bio, using the character's voice in live streams and making them agree with weird beliefs, and getting a convention circuit by stealing the key art for a shitty booth banner.
but you cant even form a single sentence about what is bad about this interim agreement relating to its contents
VA
workers
Good one. Now pick up a shovel and get to work.
Only Anon Babbleirgins will pretend protections against AI is a bad idea and you should let machines steal your voice for jewish purposes. Get a job incels
and offer my employees
you will use AI as well, you are not foolinf anyone rajeet
The problem is not the request to be paid more per se, but WHO is advancing those demands.
Like, if you look at their social profiles, you kind of want to side with the AI too.
Why would I have to deal with this shit when I could just hire a FIverr VA or some other indie who actually just speaks casually and like a normal human being when it comes to this type of work
Because then you get shit like this
Random fucks who just happened to have a background in theatre
Truly random fucks give us this
You first bootlicker
protections against AI
no matter you do we are fucked, corporations own and train AI on content stolen from people to fire them later, theres no way of reverting this. Next 50 years will be more dystopian than even the most depressing sci fi movies.
I think White and Asians(jeets aren't even on the asian hierarchy lmao) men are who develop the greatest video games. They and their families/friends could be paid to train AI, I don't see the problem with this.
Then we pressure government to ban AI, unless the people in power want AI to be used against them
didn't Nintendo also sic the Pinkertoniggers on someone?
I HEKKIN LOVE BIG GOVERNMENT
I NEED TO BE TOLD WHAT TO DO
My lord, you are gay.
whiny VAs can go to trade school
Typical philistine behaviour
Here you go
Unions are one of the many forces destroying western entertainment.
Out of nowhere "we want MLK day off"
Oh fuck off.
AI can't come soon enough.
i will use ai voices to make sure i don't pay for voice acting
I love chaos
I love everyone being allowed to fuck over everyone
Anyway, who are you quoting? Because it's not me
Unions are the backbone of western workforce.
Can someone break down what each of these practically mean? What is a Schedule X, or virtual casting/self tapes?
I won't check, but if I had to guess, a lot of these people were telling others learn to code. Not a ounce of sympathy here. They're simply not important enough to be acting like this, English voice acting was already something to be skipped.
a bunch of parasitical organizations that make our industries less fitted to the needs of the customer are the backbone of western industry
lolno
Alongside the rest of the parasite class, they've been aggressively breaking the backs of our once-great cities since Johnson. And they're only getting worse.
The unironic answer is to just have the people in your studio do the VA work, not hiring dedicated VAs
English voice acting was already something to be skipped
Japanese VA get paid, a high profile VA will take most of the budget. Now stop making shit up you fucking philistine
little kuriboh
Has he done any memorable work since the yugioh abridged series(that still isn't finished)?
Don't care nigga, put the fries in the bag. English VA = Mute
The VA industry is absolute shit in terms of actual payment, benefits and respect from the industry.
All the talent who actually get good roles with good pay are either talents who were established 15-20 years ago or talents who came in from other mediums like broadway or live-action.
Meanwhile, the majority of VAs rn are either e-celebs or dub actors fighting for scraps. This is why they get parasocial as hell every convention season, because it's genuinely the majority of their income from the autographs.
So it's just not an industry for sane people and the people who do it are slowly realizing that they picked a shitty oversaturated career path which is a huge reason why they're doing this now
Japs are retarded too, we already knew that. Paying people to talk is stupid period. Paying people even more for that because they threw a hissy is actively dangerous to society. Paying people throwing a hissy because they got fired for trying to change the narrative of the game and character they were paid to voice is the ultimate cuckoldry. If a va doesn’t like their salary they refuse to sign or they quit simple as
They literally would if they could.
money breaks
what
Billionaires aren’t the ones that are hiring shitty overpriced voice actors.
He's blacklisted by several companies because of YGOTAS and DBZA so no. Biggest claim to fame since is doing the English Audio Description (blind and partially-sighted accessibility) track for the Star Wars sequel trilogy.
The way the SAG-Aftra union and the union VAs torpedoed their entire reason for striking overnight is a thing of beauty to behold.
Keep cementing your status as a philistine, better yet put your own fries in the bag. Grow your own potato while you're at it
I have never heard a case where someone from broadway went into VA.
Paying people to talk is stupid period
What kind of idiotic thinking is that? Is theatre stupid because you're paying people to talk. Shit opera must be the most wasteful thing ever created because you're paying people to talk. Paying people to play instrument must also be very stupid then, why do we allow instruments to exist?
that because they threw a hissy is actively dangerous to society
in what way? Explain your line of thinking here
reminder that sag-aftra affiliated voice actors support public displays of satanism
People who aren’t professional VAs are a lot like jannies.
You gotta ask yourself, what kind of person would unironically want to be a VA or a janny? Massive losers of course.
Better than some schizoid troon trying to sound like a woman like in Dawntrail
The effort actual actors have to put in compared to VAs is miles long.
And?
Grow your own potato while you're at it
Don't need to, I pay for them at the store because I need them and they're useful.
Grow your own fucking potatoes
i dont think its possible, the government is owned by corporations and they are pushing for it. Even if some countries ban it do you really believe it will be world wide? Once AI is good enough to replace persons job, everyone not using it will be in huge disadvantage.
illiterate/ironic weebs
you replied to me but the post you directed me to had nothing to do with the interim agreement but rather a mental illness spouting from that poster that was full of fantasy and had no root in reality.
Try again to form arguments against the contents of the interim agreement
Name a more useless profession than voice actor. You cannot.
being a NEET
No retard in theater you have to act. In opera you have to act and sing. In both you have to look the part. It’s completely different and you are a nigger for trying to make it comparative
There are many many legit things you can absolutely fault US voice actors for.
This is bitch-eating-crackers tier, anon.
World wide bans are possible
they are pushing for it.
Then we have to use it against them, deepfake of politicians and CEO being caught in situations they shouldn't. "leaked audio" where they expose all their secrets etc
Absolutely. Voice actors are well aware of their place on the pop culture/celebrity totem poll. A lot of them do the anime/comic convention circuit. They know how much they can charge for an autograph and they know how much Peter Capaldi can charge for his when he shows up as the marquee guest. Imagine how much that eats at them, like imagine Troy Baker, a lot of people know Joel, a lot of people know Nathan Drake. A lot of casual fans will have no idea who Troy Baker is by his name alone. I'm pretty sure that's part of the reason for the voice actor strike that happened a few years back. They all knew they were D list celebrities, and they wanted to make more money and be seen as B listers at the very least.
Nope, gotta keep those useful farmers employed. Love my Idaho brothers.
voice acting was the best when it was just a random guy that had other skills that worked on the game.
now all these bitches are trying to be "pros" and desperately doing anything they can to be one, including joining a cult of a union hoping that it will help them succeed.
AYOOO DIS is bitch-eating-crackers N SHIEEEEE
If your 'witty' remark requires people to assume you're illiterate for it to make sense, you're not being as witty as you think.
A lot of them are probably scared shitless at the idea of celebrities replacing them if Arcane and Castlevania are of any indicator.
That’s literally lacking a profession try again
As if a corpo can magically make more people like them.
you can be a NEET and work from home making youtube videos or whatever that you get paid for without it being considered 'real work'
The word NEET has lost all meaning
I like how the ones with 0 hard skills are making the biggest demand
Then you’re not a neet. If you are earning an income you aren’t a neet by definition. Neet doesn’t mean self employed
Years of trying to make vidya voice acting a big money profession and still no games with more memorable VA than morrowind and deus ex.
Forspoken was pretty memorable...
Ok but satan isn't real and they are just doing it to upset people.
He's blacklisted by several companies because of YGOTAS and DBZA
???
Anon Babble
Problem is some of the union actors striking are still refusing to work with companies that already implemented A.I protections and want them to flip union and screw over all the other non-union workers. They're scum pretending its solely about A.I.
He should be blacklisted for that secondarycore slop. Everyone involved should be.
There's always been a general issue of vocie actor VS actor when it comes to companies going for box office pull. Look at fucking Disney, an insane lineup of memorable performances by minor and major actors/VAs alike, followed by dreadful performances in their live-action remakes. Some people just aren't that good on screen or aren't sought out, as opposed to their voices. If you want a really simple example, just look up Tony Jay's vocal performances and compare them to his live-action performances
JP VA's
some of them double as singer since their pay is shit
USA VA's
Their other job is to shitpost on bluesky FOR FREE
I don't get it
the voice acting in both series is relatively good, especially kuribohs
Working directly disqualifies you from using the NEET badge.
Japanese studios utterly despised the Abridged Series stuff back in the day and would copy strike it at any possible opportunity. The only reason a few of the TFS people made it into the industry was that the English dub cast liked them personally and even then they're all mostly relegated to side characters.
The youtube-to-professional pipeline is basically 10% talent and 90% networking.
Ok but
Not Ok actually.
It's not just singing. Only the ones who are actually good at singing can make a career out of that. There's also a bunch of other shit. Podcasts, live events, promotional stuff. And that's only the more successful or up-and-coming VAs. The less successful ones have to take on second jobs.
And nobody wants to deal with them.
Thing is, both Japanese and Korean celebrities are micromanaged to hell and back.
Golden rule is never become an idol or you're fucked.
anyone who likes genuinely good english voice acting doesn’t use dubs
Well I mean it does kinda make sense. Back in the day, if you wanted to make a parody dub of a Japanese show, you had to, you know, pay the licensing fees. Abridged series basically just profit off the original show for free.
Like you might think "But they don't make money off the abridged series!" But most of the successful ones have merchandising lines built directly off that show's popularity. I remember Team 4-Star had a "Ghost Nappa" t-shirt and in order to make it distinct from the IP, they just removed his Saiyan armor. These guys somehow managed to make it publicly acceptable to profit off of someone else's work and get away with it. So obviously the original IP holders were gonna be upset. They kinda just gave up because fans were more on the Youtubers' side and it wasn't worth it anymore.
Sounds reasonable to me.
some as actors or doing radio/podcasts
if Satan isn't real then why do so many people become rabid schizophrenics again God whenever He is brought up in any context?
These guys somehow managed to make it publicly acceptable to profit off of someone else's work and get away with it.
To be fair, that's basically Comiket in a nutshell
It's not about the acting. It's about the content and the principle. They allowed millions of the most unfunny motherfuckers in the world that do nothing but quote the videos to enter fanbases without even understanding the source material. Hearing that he's industry blacklisted is justice ever single time I have to deal with a retard who can't take a series seriously because all they know about it is the fucking abridged version.
And also the acting is shit most of them are just bad impressions of real actors' iconic performances.
Just hire amateurs. Players will barely tell the difference.
here are the terms we demand, or we will stop working!
item x: you have to let us keep working!
This is some next-level Zen shit right here.
No
The critical difference is that Comiket doesn't use original footage from the IP.
Aside from america being the land of free, why did SAG-AFTRA even let their talents(lel) run their hands spewing retarded shit that would ruin their reputation?
The whole controversy just destroys them all.
I love voice acting in games and I'd prefer if they remained humans. That said I also wouldn't mind if most or the entire US VA 'community' went out the door for a new batch, and the general web of nepotism and seniority leading to every other game having the same voices just reaffirms me in that.
Juneteenth
lololololololololol AI go BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR all unions are communism all communists must be rounded up and killed down to the last infant smashed on a rock
The Bayonetta VA and Genshin debacle should really be a lesson for them to stfu and take what they have. So embarrassing.
Yeah that's completely fair
I don't necessarily disagree with you, anon
TFS were basically the exception because the dub team wanted to show that they were chill with the parody and basically brought them on to establish nerd cred, ironically Toei got pissed when they found out about this and the most prolific members of TFS (Masako, Antfish, etc) are blacklisted to this day
reminder that fags ITT defending voice actors (especially dubbers) unironically think this is peak acting
youtube.com
voice acting is not a real industry it is a web of nepotism and gatekeeping and connections and has nothing to do with your actual ability to perform
Holy shit Anon Babble is back?!?!?!1 :O
This is the one time I support big corpos using AI to fuck over these fucks.
Reminder that Gianni voiced a Male Pregnancy to Birth fetish situation for an underaged child on Roblox that requested him to do so, LIVE ON TWITCH.
SAG-AFTRA directly contributed to it. It was literally because of their own responses that fans found out about the draconian terms in the OP. They're just that out of touch and dumb.
Here's my counter offer
I just really like Legacy of Kain, man
Remember how voice actors were all about the being the same race as the character they were playing?
I find it hilarious they thought their trump card was appealing to fans and then got immensely butthurt and started crying 20x fold when everyone shat on them for their selfishness
This or Fran is exposing the shit the guild does after a long keikaku to become president.
Every screencap is literally social media champagne activism and crying they couldn't make it in Hollywood
lmao how much longer isn't t going to take
If you sign ANYTHING with SAG-AFTRA that will literally force you under legal threat that you just sign and agreed on to lay off your ENTIRE VA staff and replace them all with VAs from their union or they take you to court and rape you because what you sign on is basically you agreeing that you'll do just that.
That's the exact situation that happened with Hazbin Hotel and why they had to replace their entire cast of Voice Actors for Union ones.
There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to work with these retards unless you want to fuck other people over and you have to shred of loyalty yourself towards the people you were going to have with you along the way voice some characters for a long lasting project like that.
You're thinking of a Cartel not a mob you moolinyan
It did work for the VAs though. For over half a years, most Genshin dubfags were annoyed but accepted the state of things and supported the VAs. Onyl reasom it came crashing down was because some VAs sperged out.
SAG-AFTRA is trying to save face after the results of the 2023 strike turned out to be dog shit. One of the most notably pathetic things about the deal reached after that particular strike was that voice actors were basically thrown under the bus.
That'd be more believable without the million $ paycheck
The current VA industry pushed out people who would have made more Legacy of Kains. It's all nepobabies and political activism now.
That's the exact situation that happened with Hazbin Hotel and why they had to replace their entire cast of Voice Actors for Union ones.
That's not what happened. Vivvzie literally just wanted broadway actors and replaced her cast by choice
While I don't entirely oppose unions for skilled labor in which a poorly-done job can seriously hurt people/property or the reputation of the industry (for instance, electricians), I don't see any sense whatsoever to creative unions.
voice actor unions, writers unions, etc. those just seem like a way to give more power to people more deeply-embedded in the organization itself and weaken potential outside talent.
ANYBODY could make a good voice actor. ANYBODY could make a good writer.
unions for creative roles are just everything bad about unions as a concept and nothing good.
LMAO. They will all be replaced with AI and I don't even care.
Does anyone have those images of a dev getting shit on for not wanting to pay 200$ for a VA to read like 2 or 3 sentences for their game.
The fuck is a juneteenth?
nigger worship day
Saar
These examples are utter shit.
get 80iq players who may not even be literate to voice themselves
they couldn't give less of a shit but they wanted the millions of dollars so they accept it
contract says you cant tell them to be sober and stop fucking around to actually talk like normal people
hurrr voice acting is hard
Crazy how literally nothing has changed since these strikes happened and plenty of games are getting talent to fill their roles without having to sign their rights away for a bunch of fags with massive egos.
A federal holiday signed by President Donald J. Trump commemorating the day slaves were emancipated in the confederate states - AKA black people holiday but it's a day off
Just tell the names of the VA's who ruined everything in less than 25 years anon
Muricans shitting and screaming about the mere concept of workers having basic rights
Truly a nation of slaves.
who signed that was biden
I don’t know their names I just know the sound they make when they shriek and wail on twitter
it's a day on which the whole of american blacks are allowed to be criminals freely of charge so they can loot and pillage and place they like and not be arrested for it
that gremlin voice halfway through
I lost
Wait you only have 1 day for that?
Exactly. Same shit with the writer's guild strikes. The cameramen, grips, production designers, pretty much everyone who has to actually LABOR to get a movie/show created - uhhh good luck at burger king, we're fighting for the right to a mandated two hour coffee break in the writer's room!
I don't see the point of just burning down everything though, when nothing prevents me or otherscto shop around for new or lesser known people. Hell, if I ever made a game, I'd probabyl hit up a local theatre.
Wait is that actually in the contract?
... Holy shit are there some kinds of stupid "creative freedom" clauses in there?
I remember when a lot of vidya VAs in the early 10s basically swore off dub work for that reason
CONSTRUCTION SITE, NOW!
tfw all the VAs for the new characters are britbongs
they're gone have dis niggas voice in yo game
people still use dubs?
I doubt it's in the contract I was being hyperbolic.
The real reason is probably they only had them for a short amount of time and the players really didn't want to be there and most definitely were on something so this was the best out of a few retakes.
Some executive thought this would be like sticking an actor in a game to voice a character not realizing a good number of athletes are retarded.
voice acting in video games was a MISTAKE
I'd take it. It's better than hiring a SAG-AFTRA voice actor.
English voice acting in video games was a MISTAKE
FTFY
Leave Canada out of that. Actually, you could probably leave most of the US out as well. All this bullshit is based out of Los Angeles with occasional stints in Austin. Just stop using people from California and Texas.
There's some really talented voice work coming out of UK's theatre community lately, but it's already starting to become centralized on a small handful of actors the same way it is in the US now. Let's not let them go down the same path by insisting that's where all English voice acting should be sourced.
Unions were a mistake.
Unions ruin everything. Do you know which country has more unions that every other country combined? Brazil.
Now, we're supposedly the country with so many "workers rights" our productivity is stagnant since the 80s and we're the ultimate example of a failure to launch country, not african failed warlord state tier but never a developed economy either.
The truth is, if there's so many terms to work somewhere, your salary is going to take a massive hit, looking at the OPs pic, these people are delusional if they believe companies will just take profit losses to hire them when there's other options, and while some of the profits go to greedy CEOs so they can buy a new boat at the end of the quarter, most of this money will be used to grow the company.
If these companies didn't have other options and these demands were obligated by law, we would see companies simply not using voice acting or quitting the industry, thus making less jobs avaiable and the overall economy would be worse because there's less people participating in it.
As greedy as some companies can get, they're not nearly as bad as the state or as unions. When you find yourself wondering why the United States is such a economic power and Brazil isn't despite both being funded around the same time, is because the US population has actual economic freedom of association while Brazil never had it fully.
If you don't want your country to become Brazil 2.0, you should bully and shame these union retards.
They are all troons too. Fuck em all. Can’t trust women can’t trust fags
As greedy as some companies can get, they're not nearly as bad as the state or as unions.
Having just finished watching a video on the Austrian wine poisoning
lol
lmao even
For real. I remember that Perfect Dark dev interview video where all the cast was voiced by the devs, and it was perfectly fitting for the game. Charming, even. I can't imagine Mr. Blonde or Trent voiced by anyone else.
Non-American unions seem to work as unions were intended to work.
No idea why American unions don't.
read bohm bawerk
marx was wrong about everything
Notice how only a single point is about AI yet AI is front and center every time this topics is brought up.
AI is an existential threat to voice acting and many other professions.
Do you know which country has more unions that every other country combined
Iceland, union density in Brazil is only 13%
Brazil isn
Lack of stable leadership, lack of industry, a history of Coup d'état
Unironically Ronald Reagan
Canada's actually a lot more streamlined and sane than the US VA scene. Probably is nobody wants to use them.
Are they stupid? Nobody fucking advocates for freedom of religion, their supposed ideological enemies would immediately support official support for a christian denomination and banning everything else. Only their side tries to hide behind freedom of religion to be a bunch of anti-social cunts
What's wrong with the terms? Literally asking. I don't know what half of the stuff means. And the other half don't sound bad to me.
Do any of you actually understand the situation? Or are you just being anti-union on principle?
I would do the same job of these voice actors for a third of their price in less time. Right after making the easiest money in my life I would brag about it here. The fuck would they do to me?
Naaa it started way before that
You can find such people anywhere. You'll never geo-lock them out of the industry.
Obnoxious as they are, they're not the real problem. The problem is a single shitty organization trying to be a union and a guild simultaneously. It's given them a stranglehold over the industry while preventing them from understanding the outside world, and it's only being stopped now that it's trying to influence regions that it never had any power in.
Ban the region where they operate, and they cease to be a problem.
here are our terms*, esl-kun
dub VAs are out of work
Now show the terms that basically state that if they hire union VAs, they can ONLY hire union VAs for every other role.
The entire point of this thread is it’s a good idea thing if ai kills VA. Honestly screaming and yipping about the threat of ai is pointless it’s coming. Might as well have yelped about the agricultural revolution. Intelligent people will be finding ways to be production in the new future
I know, I just mentioned they love to parrot that. It's a popular talking point for a reason.
That's why it's so indignant that over 90% of their demands have nothing to do with AI and, at worst, will accelerate AI adoption by making human VAs more expensive.
I would gladly throw my money at some shit stained indian running an AI model before I support giving a decent salary to women and faggots doing something as easy as literally talking to a microphone
Their greed and egos will be a part of their downfall. Japan will be hit less hard by AI than the west for example because their VAs are based and kawaii.
Luddites gonna ludd.
I swear damn near every cartoon from the 90s used Vancouver actors. Even many anime dubs used them if they didn't dub it in Wales or New York. Definitely feels like someone pulled strings to get everything centered in LA
basic rights
please describe how these are basic rights
In the U.S. the culture is more geared to the individual rather then the community like in most other countries. The VA industry in particular is drastically far away from Hollywood despite being in the same career area. In JP, they are treated on par with Hollywood actors. The VA's in america always want what another actor has, but the problem is VAs identity isn't what gets people to watch their shit since its just a voice. So they're never gonna be getting paid half a films budgets just to speak in a mic.
Yeah, with inflation being millionaire doesn’t mean shit. You own a shit 20sq.m flat in any big city? Grats, youre a millionaire bro.
I hope you're not european lol
Obnoxious as they are, they're not the real problem. The problem is a single shitty organization trying to be a union and a guild simultaneously. It's given them a stranglehold over the industry while preventing them from understanding the outside world, and it's only being stopped now that it's trying to influence regions that it never had any power in.
While that is the crux of the issue, the important thing is that I don't care. It'd be much funnier if an entire profession died because of nepobaby whining.
Your image only makes sense if you posted that you care for English voice actors.
Why haven't all union members been fired yet if they refuse to work (i.e. break their agreement with the employer)?
To be fair, it's always easier to centralize something when other places don't necessarily have the right infrastructure and equipment. A lot of times you just have to be there first and then cement yourself as fast and as efficiently as possible.
Honestly what the fuck do VAs even do to deserve anything above the absolute minimum wage legally allowed
Sit in a booth
read a script
done. That's it. Nothing else.
Fuck VAs. They think they're rock stars somehow yet you could pull anyone off the street, give them 20 bucks and they would be just the same.
asking for more money and being more difficult because you're mad about AI doing your job cheaper, faster, and with less bullshit
Big brain plan
someone else makes an ai
someone else sells their voice
this means i'm entitled to a share of the money being made
But anon, Troy Baker does very hard work to play the exact same sounding Troy Baker character in 8 different games!!
people are unironically anti-union here
I find it funny to see poors go against their own self-interests
I like non-live-action content having human voices occasionally, so I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that one.
The aggregate user base on Anon Babble are self sufficient men in their 40s at this point. Only a fraction of the population are jobless zoomers and seething neets
11% raise
Holy shit, I only got 3% each year. Should I find another job?
you need to go back
Unions ruin everything. Do you know which country has more unions that every other country combined? Brazil.
Now, we're supposedly the country with so many "workers rights" our productivity is stagnant since the 80s and we're the ultimate example of a failure to launch country, not african failed warlord state tier but never a developed economy either.
The truth is, if there's so many terms to work somewhere, your salary is going to take a massive hit, looking at the OPs pic, these people are delusional if they believe companies will just take profit losses to hire them when there's other options, and while some of the profits go to greedy CEOs so they can buy a new boat at the end of the quarter, most of this money will be used to grow the company.
If these companies didn't have other options and these demands were obligated by law, we would see companies simply not using voice acting or quitting the industry, thus making less jobs avaiable and the overall economy would be worse because there's less people participating in it.
As greedy as some companies can get, they're not nearly as bad as the state or as unions. When you find yourself wondering why the United States is such a economic power and Brazil isn't despite both being funded around the same time, is because the US population has actual economic freedom of association while Brazil never had it fully.
If you don't want your country to become Brazil 2.0, you should bully and shame these union retards.
their such pathetic leftists they actually have me siding with the corporations for once.......
also Gianni should be executed
with the current situation it's more like
sag strike over AI boogeyman
actors invoke wildcat strike to blackmail hoyo into signing a sag contract with major debilitating stipulations
non-union actor joins "strike" in "solidarity"
"striking" non-union actor replaced with another non-AI actor
"wtf no you can't do that"
what the fuck is Juneteenth? i'm guessing it's another one of those 50+ holidays that celebrate niggers for existing?
all the anons running defence for them itt would suggest the contrary
There is no such thing as a good VA in English dubs. When big productions need VAs they hire actual Hollywood actors, and for small time stuff like anime or video games, it's the same 10~20 people doing every single role.
And you know what? Voice acting is what you do when you've failed as an actor and Hollywood doesn't want you just like how failed journalists who didn't make it had to settle for reporting on video games. These people are hardly professionals.
Unions are only in your interest if you are an incompetent, stupid, lazy double nigger. See: UAW.
Checked a mirror lately zoom zoom? All you need to is lurk a little moar
As far as I know there is mlk day which isn’t specifically about niggers but equality and Juneteenth which is. What are the other 48?!!
What if everyone just left SAG-AFTRA and made a union for VAs that wasn't shit?
>people are unironically anti-guild here
FTFY. SAG-AFTRA is not a union.
The english were a mistake
FTFY
Reminder that union busting threads are just bots arguing with bots.
just stop using english dubs
I hope all Genshin union VAs get replaced
I don't think you realize that every union has its origins in the threat and use of physical violence. And you're an idiot if you think they still don't.
Honestly the funniest thing here is knowing about chink law.
Chinese companies can ONLY sign agreements with CHINESE unions
It's literally in their law. So what SAG-AFTRA are really saying is;
Hey Chinese company, break Chinese law and fuck with the Chinese legal system so we can feel better about ourselves while we smugly talk down to you
What's even funnier is that all the Chinese gachas LITERALLY CANNOT but voice actors' voices into AI training as it's now signed into LAW that you need express legally obtained permission to do so.
So the union retards got BETTER than what they claimed to want and said "NO THIS ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH"
And the funniest part is that they STILL haven't done any research into this and are just smugly shouting at "DA CHUDS" while they get replaced since the chinks don't want to waste any more time with them after they admitted they just didn't want to show up to work for 6 months since Hoyo aren't struck. It was a "collective work refusal" (see. Being a lazy shithead that won't come into work)
You can't make this shit up.
I read this as Jewteeth
That's what WuWa's been doing and it's working out great desu
The end game is AI cloning Asian voices then doing the dub with that.
Don't worry. They'll all be replaced by AI soon enough.
How come most memorable voice acting is just the studio picking random devs to record? Like all the Warcraft 3 lines OR they hire actual competent people from like a theater or something like with Elden Ring.
muh americans hate muh unions
That's not the problem, and you're a dipshit (and probably an American) if you think it is.
A union gives collective bargaining capability to its members. A guild gives its members credibility by holding them all to a high standard. Unions and guilds are both good things, but a single entity trying to be both is a bad thing.
A union cannot bargain in good faith if being a guild means it has the ability to shut down an entire profession. A guild cannot hold its members to account if being a union means it must fight for them. SAG has always had too much power, which turned all acting in America nepotistic. This is why you always see the same shitty actors in everything and you'll never make it unless you live in LA.
Guilds can only reasonably manage a specific jurisdiction, because individual governments get involved in that matter. The reason this whole thing has finally blown up on SAG-AFTRA is because the union part is trying to flex the guild's power on a jurisdiction that doesn't recognize it.
You're not protecting people's rights by trying to make a Chinese company deny a Japanese man work on an American holiday.
you posted this already bot
And the seethe from the other vas is delicious. It turns out they didn’t care about their industry or peers success they just wanted to extract more shekels for themselves
IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY UNION WAGES AND BENEFITS, YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE VOICE ACTING IN YOUR FREE MOD!
How much talmudic blood do you need to be this much of a greedy cunt
>done. That's it. Nothing else.
actual professional VAs are different from american voice "actors"
compare the voice acting in say BG3 (mainly professional european voice actors) vs literally any american voiced game
average american VA probably doesn't understand how body and facial motions affect the voice on a technical level and absolutely can't read or pronounce based on IPA notations
VAs in countries with highly professional industries also understand the technicalities of audio and can be given accurate instructions that they can execute because they're often trained as screen or stage actors, presenters or in the arts in general
it's really hard to get into VA work as an amateur outside of the US because your competition is composed of trained professionals not randoms off social media who only know anime girl voice and shriek
even if you're a professional actor you'll get smoked by people who trained originally as or later into voice work if you just try voicing suddenly
kind of similar to how Matthew Mercer plays Matthew Mercer in every game
Even in BG3 where just played Matthew Mercer with a deeper voice and an inconsistent accent
total dubfag death when?
stop doing anime voice and I will hire you
And the seethe from the other vas is delicious.
QRD? I'm not playing WuWa.
reminder that people who use dubs use them for everything regardless of what they tell you, they think the english VAs in Sekiro are just as good as Dark Souls
I fucking hate the fact that the Yakuza games are getting English dubbing now with retards like Yong Yea voicing main characters.
talk to American about anime
they tell me the dub of a show is really really good
it's a show that aired on Toonami
watch an episode for fun
its dogshit
You can even see people here on Anon Babble parrot this shit, nostalgia is all it takes and its ok.
Why?
As long as a subbed version exists everything will be ok.
Test
The Hoyo VAs collectively tried to run the WuWa VAs out of work due to them not bowing down to their nepotism bullshit. The difference is while Hoyo pretty much decided to be a good cuck to them for months, Kuro Games told them to fuck off and blacklisted them from their games, opting to use UK voices instead, who were previously also blacklisted by SAG in any US union projects.
the companies should just hire them directly, no more of this fucking Union nonsense or better yet just use AI
Based. I want more vidyas to use UK voices.
That would be the gigachad move to pull.
no matter you do we are fucked, corporations own and train AI on content stolen from people to fire them later
no shit sherlock, AI is not going to be regulated in that manner, legislators are too old,too corrupt, or both to care about the situation, AI is going to be the norm in Gaming
Next 50 years will be more dystopian than even the most depressing sci fi movies.
still going with nothing ever happens
this, don’t let their claims of appreciating british theatre performers fool you, at the end of the day they’re dubfags through and through
I'm going with nothing ever happens too because people will simply stop playing new video games, just like people barely watch new movies.
We are already seeing this. I think Steam had statistics about this and most players didn't play any newly released games during 2024.
All artists in the west are.
Good art comes from overcoming struggle - either from poverty, from actual oppression, or from mastering technique, but life in the west is easy for most of these faggots so they have completely lost sight of reality.
Not to mention the standards of society have fallen and we would rather punish 100 innocent people by forcing them to give up their rights and be treated as second class in their own communities than being slightly cruel to 1 guilty person.
Egalitarianism has spiraled out of control to the point where there are people who unironically think every single life is equal regardless of crime, statistics, or any other factors.
people will simply stop playing new video games, just like people barely watch new movies.
I was moreso talking about wider societal trends but in terms of the gaming industry its more of a temporary thing, if they lose the normalfags corporations will become fucking terrified, they can afford to lose a few chuds but they do need the normalfag horde
like the US federal government does
US government should get neither nigger day off.
You are kinda right about the struggle but your classicism is retarded. There are many, if not most, examples of artists who came from privileged backgrounds whose struggle was intrinsic. Don’t fall for the libshit meme
they are just doing it to upset people
Exactly why it shouldn't be allowed. They are intentionally subverting the spirit of the law, not because they actually believe what they are saying in good faith.
This is a classic case of the spirit of the law vs the word of the law
People don't want to hear it but Hitler solved the union question by getting rid of them and forcing the government to do it instead. Objectively speaking it is the role of the government to make shit illegal that harms the average person in the nation but Capitalists want zero checks to corporations so they can utterly exploit workers and Marxists want too much power to the point that unions just become corrupt and filled with faggots who use them for their own gain.
struggle
I think art comes from experiencing the world. Fantasies like adventurers walking through mountains and forests with their friends used to be just idealizations of everyday things, but now they're completely alien to us city slickers
The problem is that in general, corporations are inherently more trustworthy than regular people and especially the state.
The problem is that in general, corporations are inherently more trustworthy than regular people and especially the state.
Like all things it depends on nuance. People have somehow forgotten that we should make laws to address problems and not solely to follow economic or social doctrines like Marxism or Capitalism.
Basically most laws should be reactionary - there is a problem and therefore x law will solve it. You can target specific circumstances with laws.
Nowadays too many people push for laws solely because of political theory and take no account for the needs of the time. It's completely backwards.
Hitler is literally the only politician in the west in recent years that did that which is why nobody from those types of dogmas can wrap their heads around his economic doctrine.
In most countries when unions get something it's made into law so everyone benefits, not just the union.
Can you imagine if only the union got to benefit? That would be retarded, imagine if basic worker rights were locked behind union fees.
the issue with that solution is you can end up with an All-China Federation of Trade Unions situation where the only system in place fucks the workers
even if you don't create a single state approved union, the state can end up fucking the workers legislatively
unions should exist as non-profits with no long term leadership positions and preferably as semi-local institutions that create larger nationwide federations without unified leadership, i.e. the HRE in the form of a union
atleast in the EU while larger unions usually produce overall better worker protections they also end up accelerating industrial centralisation and indirectly sabotaging smaller companies and companies in more remote locations (because less-common local conditions and economical scale realities are ignored in favour of negotiating the maximum out of industrial giants)
ANYBODY could make a good voice actor. ANYBODY could make a good writer.
ANYBODY could take electrician courses, that's not really a point. Anyway, creative types have a long history of getting totally fucked because nobody cares about the artist, that's as good a reason to make a union as any.
There are many, if not most, examples of artists who came from privileged backgrounds whose struggle was intrinsic
I never said other wise.
By second class I mean how white people are discriminated against in their own nations, for example.
If only someone developed new tech to circumvent the need to accept this terms...
Will anyone even miss English dubs?
the replies
Anon Babble actually believes that, wow.