Why are standard fantasy games more popular and numerous compared to sci-fi games?

Just do it Stargate style with a reason for humans to be all over the galaxy.

op states some false premise vaguely related to the image he wanted to post

every post replies as if it were true and formulates a response based on that fact

you guys are literally chat gpt

OP is true and real thoughbeit

If you don't want people to discuss a topic, don't make a fucking thread about that topic

Because you need a high IQ to enjoy sci-fi

This. Women and retards enjoy fantasy, which is why it's more popular. Scifi interests only (smart) men.

we're better because most of us actually humans

I'm tired of OPs posting bait when the mentioned subjects would be more interesting to talk about in earnest.
Besides it helps that this particular thread format is actually pretty honest in trying to talk about sci-fi, so it gets a pass.
Sci-fi is a newer genre and also harder to pull off because just about any setting with magic could be considered fantasy but sci-fi specifically has to deal with advanced technologies and often involve space.

I agree with you. That's why in each of these faggot bait threads I post a stupid picture to annoy the OP. Speaking of which, why does the stupid bitch in the OP image look like a retarded Buttercup?

Because when the average person thinks of the universe they don't see wonder and adventure to be had, they see an unknowing void that could kill them if it wanted to. They don't want to imagine the possibility of what COULD be there just the improbability that we know isn't.

What about those who enjoy space fantasy?

space fantasy

you mean space opera

MEN want to tame wild frontiers.
Space games rarely offer that, and ironically the best ones end up being jrpgs anyway with a heavy mix of sci-fantasy with technologically advanced colonies struggling to survive in alien worlds... not empty ass space.

I don't know. I just want more bleak soviet sci fi games.

fantasy is way easier to do and has more appeal.

Basically any space-faring setting that incorporates anachronistic elements that are usually associated with sword & sorcery fantasy like knightly orders, wizards, pseudo-feudalism, etc but with futuristic coat of paint.

So space magic that isn't science?

Because there are no good star trek games

you are literally a faggot

To be fair everyone involved with startrek is old and/or dead

t.

The future is here and it's fucking gay.

Elite Force
Starfleet Command
I know people like Armada but I haven't played it myself

Because sci-fi is more nerd shit than fantasy nerd shit.

Watch one (1) Battlestar Galactica video in Youtube because hot blonde woman in red dress

Youtube feed now full of clips from the TV show

Ia it really that good?
Never heard of it until a month ago or so.

Your definition of scifi is probably stricter than yours of fantasy. Which is funny because it's usually the opposite.
She's just stern, not disinterested.

Its your chimp brain begging them to rape correct them

I mean, there are scientific elements but they coexist with the fantastic. Like having a warp drive engineer and a lighting shooting magus side by side on the spaceship's mess hall.

It was basically like Game of Thrones for nerds back in the day. Everyone was super-engaged then it shit itself in the last few episodes and became famously reviled.

Star Wars was huge because it appeals to low IQ individuals.

emotionally dull

*repressed

Star Trek is full of advanced alien races basically doing magic.

The old EU was amazing

MEN want to tame wild frontiers

I think this is actually closest to the real reason. People instinctively like fantasy because it's an idealized version of the ancestral environment: pioneering, beast hunting, and exotic woman fucking without plagues and such to randomly drop dead from.

Sci-fi tries to be an idealized future instead of an idealized past, but they try to make it realistic and you can't. We already know too much about how shitty space and technology really are. You can't get anywhere in a spaceship in a reasonable length of time, and whatever you find out there won't be fuckable. Potentially interesting problems will be better handled by AIs that think 1000 times faster. There'll be no dogfighting or shootouts in space when drones will do

Scifi comes in types
Upgraded Earth Cyberpunk, Ghost in Shell
Post Apocalpse Upgraded Earth Stellar Blade
Interplanetary Space Opera Gundam
Interstellar Space Opera Star Trek, Star Wars, Mass Effect, Halo

pon farr with selar

Romulan women are where it's at.

For me it's Cardassian women.

they brought this actress back as a half Klingon

Gave me my fetish for feisty warrior women AND stuffy scientist women
What a woman

Man, the Mustafar duel was pure kino in every way. The contrast of two bright blue sabers over the red and orange hellscape of Mustafar is so visually memorable.

Without generative AI it's not possible to do either justice.

yfw the writers admitted they killed off the half klingon chick too fast

Sucks when you become attracted to a scenario that could only exist in fiction.

It's because an alternate timeline might be relatably human but we already have alternate planets and know they're barren rocks

Wesley gets too much hate because Wheaton is a huge douche irl, ALEXANDER and Worf were the worst fucking parts of that show. It's like we were being punished for too much fanservice.
Worf is also the worst part of DS9 and ruins Dax as a character

She cute

It's Star Trek. You telling me they can't do cloning or vat babies?

I think part of it is you need to answer more questions when building a scifi world.
How do they travel in space?
What is weaponry like?
what are the races like?
Who are the big players?
What's humanity's role?
Shit like that. But with Fantasy you just need to draw a map, say there's humans, elves, dwarves etc, and that's kind of it. There's a minimum level of depth for fantasy that's a lot lower than scifi

They already asspulled bringing back Natasha Yarr's actress as her "twin" and that went over like a lead balloon, I doubt the thought even crossed their minds.

it's a Wesley episode

it's an Alexander episode

it's a HoloDeck episode that isn't about Barclay or Moriarty

It was pretty great. As says they did the GoT thing by completely fucking up the ending in the laziest and shittiest way possible so people fumed.

Sci-fi was only recently born of modernism and the death of God as Niestchze described. Fantasy is far more deeply rooted into the human psyche and gives off a far less nerdy image because society is massively anti-intellectual.

Technically they can use the transporters to just generate an infinite amount of perfect clones of people but they just don't do it.
IIRC there's a full clone of William Ryker just out and about doing his own thing

Bioware is still the only one that did saving the galaxy with your alien crew

no Star Trek Mass Effect like game

Sad.

IIRC he joined the maquis and was fucking up cardassians

Technically they can't and one shitty episode that put the story above the established science doesn't change that. Transporters do not work that way.

I liked Elite Force 1 and 2, but I guess you'd have to like FPS games too to enjoy them.

Except it did, and they do. And they've tiptoed around it ever since because they're afraid of the implications

Except it didn't and they don't. They haven't touched it since because they weren't supposed to touch it at all, after Kirk got split into Good and Evil in TOS it's one of the few times the writers left a note saying "don't do this story again it doesn't work like that".

And there it is. They weren't "supposed" to touch it. Fear. They're afraid of the implications. The transporters work the same exact way the replicators do. They store patterns and they replicate them. The transporters can simply do it farther away. The writers are just afraid of the pandoras box of having people run off a thousand copies of soldier and how badly that would imbalance any conflict. So they shy away from exploring it

Alexander and Worf episodes were cute. Dax was a fucking bitch who was improved by Ezri.

People stopped seeing the beauty in real life and started retreating into fairytales. For sci-fi to be mainstream it requires a certain optimism about the future. Currently the most popular sci-fi is either dystopian doomer shit or science fantasy like Star Wars. People don't want to be inspired, they want familar comfort food. Ironically enough Tolkien himself warned against this, don't become a Gollum who only looks inward and obsesses over their "ring", but that's exactly what happened with his work. Tolkien didn't want his work to become escapism, he wanted to make the regular world more magical.

So not only do you not know how transporters work you're a fucking idiot. You didn't need to reply to tell me any of that but good on you for confirming it.

As soon as you resort to insults it tells me you think my opinion is valid. Thank you for your concession

Nobody wants to write proper science-fiction anymore which is that one quote about not predicting the car, it's predicting the traffic jam that'll result from cars. Star Trek shines in moral/ethical dilemmas among other planets and solar systems as experienced by a volunteer crew of ragamuffins and do-gooders who come from various galactic societies that are effectively solved, the setting is post-scarcity thanks to replicators for that matter.

The man who's a dreamer, and never takes leave

Who thinks of a world that is just make-believe

Will never know passion, will never know pain

Who sits by the window, will one day, see rain

Not sure if this a rule 63 Spook or the actual female Vulkan from the lower decks cartoon.

All fiction is inherently "escapism" you sperg. The entire point of made up stories is to other yourself into something that isn't real, to step outside dull reality into something inherently fantastical. It doesn't matter if it's a spy thriller about something that might have really happened in the Cold War or a fantasy story about midgets throwing jewelry into a volcano, none of it is real and the draw is to pretend, briefly, that it could be.

I personally prefer sci fi because I've loved Star Wars since I was a kid. But I think I love fantasy and sci fi equally. I don't think it has to be a pick between one or the other

ATTENTION BAJORAN WORKERS
I'm expecting a father's day card this year.

sci fi because I've loved Star Wars

Not scifi.

Would a Star Trek game inspired by Mass Effect work? Saving the galaxy with your crew and banging alien babes. It sounds pretty KINO.

Reminder that Vulcans have ritual duels to the death over who gets married, they absolutely would not shittalk Valentines Day

People are probably tired of hearing this trivia, but I figure the fact is Tolkien's accessible fantasy got to book reading nerds, which overlapped with wargame nerds, which led to DnD, the two of which then overlapped with computer nerds, which led to Wizardry and Ultima, which etc. etc. until you get to the proliferation of RPG centering usually around fantasy through passed down story telling influencing the next gen and the next.

Now, don't get me wrong Sci-Fi was around well before the Hobbit, but accessibility is the hurdle. Not just popularity, but how digestible the scientific premises, fictional as they are, would be compared to fantasy ones.

In fact looking at it, all but two of the top selling books are fantasy.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_books#List_of_best-selling_individual_books

Actually if you go down the list it's only until you get to Carl Sagan's Cosmos and Stephen Hawking's A Brief History of Time that there's any science focus, and both of them are Popular Science, not Science Fiction. Dune and the Hitchhiker's Guide are close under them, and Dune has inspired things like Warhammer 40K, which has video games which have inspired other video games alas the time and scale just weren't in line to make the same mark in quantity.

All fiction is inherently "escapism" you sperg

Only an actual Peter Pan would say this

Incorrect translation.

b-but what is-

Depends on context but it definitely doesn't mean "misfortune."

Mass Effect has too much combat to be Trek.

I hate Warhammer 40K so much it's unreal

are you autistic

depends on context but I'd say he's unfortunate

You will commit genocide in a Miranda and you will like it

1. Fantasy often goes hand-in-hand with medieval and medieval Europe is considered the spring of our current Western civilization, so everyone longs for it. It's idyllic and familiar. Sci-fi meanwhile is intentionally alien by design.

2. Fantasy gives people access to magic, which allows people to do whatever things they want to do, because it makes intuitive sense to them, placating our simple desires. Meanwhile, sci-fi ignores the human perspective and instead bases everything on scientific research, which is not only unintuitive, it's something less than 10% of people have any particular knowledge or interest in. In other words, it's a magic system, except instead of being based on universal beliefs and dreams, it's based on reality. Do you think realism is a major selling point in games? How would you feel if I told you your character in a game didn't behave in the way you felt like they should but instead behaved in the way some experts claim they're supposed to? Would you sit back and go, "Wow, that's impressive," or would you stare at me blankly and think, "Who cares?" Most people would do the latter.

3. Sci-fi is arrogant, political and sterile. Sci-fi authors tell people how the future will pan out, ultimately making broad statements about civilization not everyone is going to agree with, and this broad focus hinders the potential for personal narratives, which people tend to care about more. The broadness nicely parallels the setting, which tends to be outer space. Space is fucking empty. There's unbelievable amounts of nothing between anything relevant. Once you find a rock, there might be something on it, but probably not. If you discover hostile natives, you can blow up their entire fucking planet without ever even meeting them. It's cold and trivializes humanity. Meanwhile, fantasy is all about comfy corners of the globe with rich history and everywhere you look is potentially an alcove of lost trinkets or the chaotic beauty of life forms

I'm on a level on autism to where I relate to Trek characters and aliens like the Vulcan more than my contemporary humans. Gift giving past the age you can make money, unless it's like an elder relative giving you something absurd, is silly. Like exchanging low tier junk both people could buy on their own is completely illogical. The only ritual that kind of makes sense to me is taking people out to diner/ making food for someone.

fantasy is for manchildren

got it

Sci fi is too high IQ

Warhammer 40k says hello

it's called kuudere anon

Normalfags love fantasy for the same reason they love Star Wars or Capeshit, its solved and familiar. Everyone knows what an elf and dwarf is, same with a Jedi or Spider-Man, at their core they dont change, they just have "twists" on them. Sci-Fi doesnt have a basic blueprint you can copypaste everywhere

If I can extend an olive branch, I did gain a slight interest in sci-fi (or Star Trek anyway) when I watched a video that made me realize the Enterprise is similar to a hotel or cruise ship, because it's chock-full of people who all have their own little living quarters. That's pretty neat and I can imagine interesting stories coming out of that. Things kinda' fall apart when it comes to space exploration for me, though. There can't actually be any conflict in space exploration since the tech level is so high. In the past, a ship could sail to some unexplored island, but the natives could easily kill you; in outer space, either you already know about the planet or you don't because it's full of monkeys and you should have the technology to just wipe them out without ever leaving the ship, so it just feels kinda' lame. What's worth "discovering" at that point?

Sci-Fi doesnt have a basic blueprint you can copypaste everywhere

Yes it does, it's called a textbook.

Sci-Fi doesnt have a basic blueprint you can copypaste everywhere

Humans, The Warrior Race, The Intelligent Race, The Seductive Race, The Actually Alien Non-Humanoid Race

whatever you find out there won't be fuckable

Bold of you to suggest this.

Bury nose in the back of a cold disinterested girl's neck
Wrap arms around the waist of a cold disinterested girl from behind
Slowly hang more weight onto a cold disinterested girl until she collapses into the sofa along with me

Sci fi is fake and jewish, fantasy is based on ancient mythology which were not myths but actually were real, and calls to our roots.

Simple: fantasy involves more familiar direct physical individual actions than scifi, it's more tactile.
It's much easier to relate and empathize with actions that directly make sense to you, and to imagine possibilities and consequences that are intuitive and natural.
You get scenes of your main character having sort fights, running, jumping, swimming, climbing, riding horses, making oaths, drinking, eating, hunting, etc... These are biologically inherently interesting things you can easily imagine yourself doing.
What does scifi have? It's often cold, sterile, and full of impenetrable jargon. Characters mainly talk, think, exposit, and push buttons. Not only that but what they do makes no sense and cannot be understood or guessed at. You're just along for the ride, unable to speculate or form your own opinions.

Conan is surrounded by bandits in a narrow ravine, what's going to happen next, what would you do? It's pretty easy to think about right? Even if something surprising happens it'll make perfect sense in retrospect.
Geordey Laforge has just detected an unknown energy fluctuation in the aft nacell due to an alien space ray, what's going to happen next, what would you do? You have no fucking idea since you don't understand scifi technology, and even after it's all over and he summarizes the previous events you still won't understand anything.

Fantasy fans and scifi fans have different definitions of "interesting", novelty and complexity respectively. This is also why scifi rpgs never take off but everyone likes dnd. You can't really intuitively play a scifi character since neither you nor the game master really understands anything about how the world works, improvisation is difficult or impossible. Whereas for fantasy everything is either very intuitive and easy in the case of physical actions, or completely open to interpretation and easily altered like magic.

It's not a false premise, fantasy has pretty much always been more popular than sci fi.

Well said.

Need more sci-fi with fantasy races.

false premise

wut? fantasy games are WAY more common than sci-fi

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NO ONE EVER DISCUSSES STAR TREK GAMES IN THESE THREADS
PLAY BRIDGE COMMANDER

THAT IS ALL

uncannily good post

Most science fiction doesn't suffer from Star Trek's "technobabble problem," though. And even in Star Trek, the technobabble is no different than how some magical force is used in fantasy: it's whatever it needs to be to drive the narrative.

It's actually a lot easier than you're making it out to be, you're just overthinking it. You can use the technobabble to do literally anything. It's an incredible setting for a Dungeon Master but obviously, yes, you need to know Star Trek (not for the technical specifics as much as the general setting, same as fantasy) but why would you be playing a Trek campaign or DMing one if you didn't?

Many civilizations are on par or over their technological level. Also they're not barbarians.

Geordey Laforge has just detected an unknown energy fluctuation in the aft nacell due to an alien space ray, what's going to happen next, what would you do? You have no fucking idea since you don't understand scifi technology

That's the cheap fill-in-the-gaps dialogue. The meat and potatoes comes with pondering the what-ifs given the framework of the universe. How closely would you adhere to the Prime Directive? What if it were in contradiction with the Omega Directive? What would sex with a Vulcan be like?

Meanwhile, Conan and his bandits at the ravine are hardly worth a second thought. They have swords? Axes? Maybe magic missile? Okay so you fight. Then what? Fuck the amazonian?

I'll respect different definitions of "interesting" so long as we acknowledge the innate sci-fi pushing into the unknown trumps swords and spells all day.

the innate sci-fi pushing into the unknown trumps swords and spells all day.

The best sword and spells stuff is also about pushing into the unknown, just an unknown of ancient ruins or magical worlds. That's actually what's particularly great about Conan, he's a one man USS Enterprise in that he's always exploring dangerous frontiers. Not that anon btw.

The real comparison is a phaser shootout. The Trek scenario you wrote out is comparable to fantasy magic bullshit with a magic bullshit solution. It's not the core of the story, but the vehicle.

Most sci-fi tech is just stuff that sounds like it could be a thing, but not really realistic or based on hard science.

Because good writers are being squeezed out of the industry.

Space is soulless and boring and hard to design games around. See: Starfield

Sci-fi can be interesting if it is manly and pulpy. Unfortunately most sci-fi is limp-wristed sophistry from failed theorists who mostly just have talking heads spouting exposition at each other like it makes for compelling fiction.

the definitions of sci-fi are really loose. fallout and deus ex are sci-fi, but both different from star trek, twilight zone, x-files and a million other examples.

Where Can I watch TNG? Is there anywhere that actually streams it or do I need to just buy the DVDs?

paramount+
or pirate it
or try your local library for the dvds. Mine has 90's sci-fi shows out the ass. Trek, Bablyon 5, Farscape, Battlestar, Stargate. All of it.

sci fi is pozzed

Kuudere implies they warm up around the guy they like, a girl that's always disinterested is just kuru (cool).

warm up around the guy they like

what do you think is happening in that image

Sure, but the post I responded to was in response to how cold disinterested girls are hot, and not all cold disinterested girls are kuudere, some are just kuru.

implying fantasy isn't also pozzed

Fantasy is just taking the worst parts of Tolkien and then creampieing it with the fattest poz load. Like seriously, name fantasy in the past 40 years that's not diverse and feminist. You literally can't, unless it's your own chud fantasy novel you're working on.

But according to the later seasons not all humans out in the universe are from the slaves that the Goa'uld took, and there's actually an identical precursor race of humans called the Ancients that built the star gates to begin with, although most of them evolved to an energy form after evolving past the need for physical form.

Besides the Ori Galaxy humans I'm having a hard time thinking of any group explicitly mentioned to not be the result of the goa'uld.

seeing his face again when talking about Exodus

I just want it to be good.

fantasy clothes

Spans all of human history for reference and uses natural materials and organic designs

SciFi clothes

Ugly jumpsuits in drab colors or ugly neon using nylon or plastics.

Fantasy buildings

Wood, stones, wood lot fires

SciFi

Concrete, metal, plastic, fluorescent Lighting

Make a SciFi game that doesn't look like a generic ugly industrial theme and people might buy it

Vulcan females are BUILT for human males.

Unironically because sci-fi takes more effort to make, and by it's nature of SCI, requires the audience and creators to understand science at least a little bit.
The average normalfag/creator is retarded as hell, so they actually cannot understand sci-fi at all.
It's why Star Trek went to shit, it relies on actual science and science-tropes, which normalfags don't get.

Scifi is only good when it effectively removes all the scifi elements and boils them down back into fantasy.
Star Trek is good when all the trappings of the episode fall away and it becomes a matter of morality, logic, or interpersonal relations. Space Operas are good when the space ships turn into galleons and it's just the abstract military strategy and the trials and tribulations of nations at war.
Fantasy is no different, it's just easier since you have to explain less(even the magic is mostly familiar in a cultural and historical context. I'm not even saying fantasy is better because of this, objectively the MOST easily relatable genre is modern fiction, since you don't have to explain anything to the reader at all, but that's all trash generally.

Okay so you fight

How? This is skipping over the whole point, specific movements and actions are engaging. Does Conan try to climb the ravine to gain a height advantage, does he grab one of the men close to him to use as a shield against arrow fire, does he run away, does he stand and fight, does he surrender, is he captured, is he injured, etc...
This fits similarly to the phaser fight, but that totally removes most of the intuition and spectacle. There's a reason start trek doesn't have many phaser fights, and all the ones it does are either over immediately or else resolved by outside forces somehow.

I messed up the "respectively in my post", I mean novelty is the point of scifi and complexity is the point of fantasy. Scifi gives you new things you haven't seen before and asks what you think about them, fantasy gives you relatable situations and dives into the details of their resolution.
Like the difference between a romance in a normal book and a romance novel. Generally fantasy is more romantic than scifi.

There's plenty of science-fantasy and fantasy-science books out there, it's really an issue of the tones of most popular scifi being drier than most popular fantasy.
Like all those old scifi books and sword and planet genre fics are basically fantasy action advaneutre in space. And all those Brandon Sanderson "logical fantasy" books are basically just scifi with a fantasy coat of paint.
There's a reason both genres usually share a category, their differences are less about their inherent qualities and more about the type of author who gravitates towards either end.

Farscape game when?

its 2 things in 1.

(1) lore dumps. sifi relies on lore dumps far more than fantasy settings do.

the average person doesnt need an explanation for a person living in a hut, hunting rabbits and growing corn.

the average person needs to have an explanation how this faction exists as a representation of multiple races that joined together for certain goals that need explained, but also not everyone within those races are in said faction, but the dynamics of the races are both similar to their own races culture, while also different.

sifi usually implies a world of rules and laws.
fantasy implies a simplified version of everything we already know.

of course the opposite can happen, and is usually liked/dislike accordingly.
star wars started off with a farmer, and the details about the politics and races dont matter. empire bad, explanations come much later when it fits.
tit feels more like a western than a sifi movie, which is why ppl like star wars more than star trek (i like star trek more)
plenty of fantasy novels are just a long ass chapter of lore dumping at the start, and plenty more as you go on, and they never see the light of day as a movie.

(2) Association. Because most Sifi is lore dump reliant, and most fantasy movies arent, ppl associate sifi with unfun, and fantasy with simple fun. they dont know WHY, as its all subconscious, but the association now makes them dislike sifi before even giving it a chance, and more likely to give fantasy a chance. (Also helps the most popular fantasy is "its earth/real word, but theres a "wizard world/werewolves/vampires/magic society" within our current world!" which cuts down lore dumps, and lets the MC learn as they go. but you dont usually see this with sifi as often)

I felt like sci fi was on top in the 90s and early 00s. IMO it's only after the LotR movies were massive hits that fantasy took over. Fitting since the novels are the granddaddy of all current fantasy

Many Star Trek episodes involve them discovering something even more powerful than them and trying to survive/escape/communicate. It's like if Commodore Perry went to Tokyo only to find Space Battleship Yamato

Klingon Academy
Starfleet Command II
Elite Force
Birth of the Federation
Resurgence (if you like Telltale games)

Sci fi has a potential to be a serious genre.
Fantasy can't be a serious genre by its concept, it's a purely nobrain entertainment material.
Sci fi is simply more interesting.