Character did nothing wrong and was correct 100% of the time

Character did nothing wrong and was correct 100% of the time

Character did everything wrong but she's a lesbian so the narrative justifies everything

OP this is Anon Babble none of us read homestuck, unironically you will have better conversations on bluesky or tumblr or something.

The game has a fake gameover screen

We have HS threads on Anon Babble when the mods allow it and they always reach the bump limit

A character no one remembers

Still cute

*cough*

recent narrative and fan reception proves otherwise

I'll never forgive Hussie for taking this away from me.

That is not true. I'm John Egbert IRL and this hurts me
I can almost guarantee that I have been here longer than you have.

homestuck was given a timeframe for ending during its kickstarter

hussie immediately whored out for merch and stretched it out an extra ten years

Anon Babble comic, Homestuck website with Homestuck banners, the two go together because the comic is as retarded as I am for replying to this bait

Homosuck ruined webcomic and online art meta forever

More like you are a newfag and don't know that Homestuck was so big on Anon Babble before it went to shit that it almost got its own board.

ruined webcomic

It did absolutely jackshit to webcomics.
If Homestuck never existed, the current state of webcomics would remain unchanged.

When it comes to Voiceheadcanon, michael jones will forever be a perfect Karkat to me
youtube.com/watch?v=ag_d0jxubwY
youtube.com/watch?v=liiupS37wVE

character did so much wrong her crime is permanent and eternal knotting without parole

pic unrelated?

Vriska's entire character was doing everything wrong for stupid reasons. Her being brought back and the story pretending that any of her decisions were justified is because most of Act 6 was ghost written by trannies while Andrew did weed and turned himself gay with porn

nah. people just can't get over her killing tavros and aradia so they just constantly overinflate everything "bad" about her to colossal proportions to the point it comes across as a caricature. she killed two people, tried to redeem herself and was willing to die for it, DID die, continued to try to make up for mistakes even in death, failed, was revived, succeeded in her plans, was willing to risk sacrificing herself again to take out the big bad, and ultimately ends up doing so.
She then goes through Hell(effectively) in the sequel, grows as a person, gains meta knowledge as a power, fans whine that she can't know what to do even though it's stated she does, and now we're back to caricatures of her.
Vriska did plenty wrong but people hyper inflate what she ACTUALLY did wrong just because she's mean and smug.

Has anyone here actually played Hiveswap? I always wanted to try it but was too lazy to get around it, The only HS game I ever tried was the Pesterquest VN

completely normal to not get over her killing tavros for no real reason and even acknowledging after that he wasn't a threat to her and she didn't have any real reason to do it beyond her own amusement

turned himself gay with porn

W-what?

i didn't play hiveswap but i did see the /hsg/ flash of joey with a flashlight in her ass

Why is there so much MAP art of these Homestuck characters?

Vriska killed dozens of people before the game even started. Also, even if it were only two, murdering two people is really fucking bad, actually. People don't make excuses for Eridan. But you think Vriska's cute so you give her a pass.

tried to redeem herself and was willing to die for it,

She was going to fight Bec Noir to satisfy her own ego, and was so conceited that she disregarded the warnings of her friend who could see the future that nor only could she not hope to win, but leaving would doom them all. She was a piece of shit, start to finish.

She then goes through Hell(effectively) in the sequel,

Oh, sorry, I had no idea I was talking to some retard tranny who actually follows homestuck 2

i played Hiveswap years ago
It's a really cool point and click game, plus Toby was involved in the soundtrack

except he tried to kill her first. plenty of reason to kill him. what, do you want her to be paralyzed despite losing an arm and eye as part of terezi's revenge? is dying multiple times and being brutally beaten to death not enough? of course not. you'd never be satisfied because you just wanna whine.

Vriska killed dozens of people before the game even started.

So did Terezi. And?

She was going to fight Bec Noir to satisfy her own ego

So you're just gonna lie because you're delusional? She tells Terezi what she's aiming to do and she simply doesn't really believe Terezi.

Oh, sorry, I had no idea I was talking to some retard tranny who actually follows homestuck 2

Using buzz words because you can't make a proper argument doesn't help your case here.

except he tried to kill her first

he wasn't a credible threat
don't start this. i've danced the vriska apologism tango more times than you could count

Post-retcon, Vriska should not be a normal god tier. Spades Slick smashes her clock because he dislikes clocks, so either her clock is broken and thus she’s no longer immortal, or it’s broken and thus unable to judge a death heroic or just, leaving her as a true immortal. But Hussie lost his mojo and caught gay dementia worse than Araki.

is dying multiple times and being brutally beaten to death not enough?

Not while she still breathes

So did Terezi. And?

Terezi doing bad shit doesn't justify Vriska doing so. Of course, I doubt Terezi would have had Vriska not dragged her into it.

So you're just gonna lie because you're delusional? She tells Terezi what she's aiming to do and she simply doesn't really believe Terezi.

She frames it as a heroic act of risking her life, but then completely disregards the fact that leaving and failing would get all of the people she's claiming to defend killed. She's lying, like she always does. Even, especially, to herself.

Using buzz words

It's not "buzz words", that shit is straight trash written by a cabal of trannies, and I have no idea why you brought it up.

none of the arguments over vriska would've ever happened if hussie didn't make alternia culture absurdly over the top ultraviolent as a joke. everything she did can be justified with "its dey culture" which is really fucking stupid when you're trying to write a morally grey character and is what happens when you spend 16 hours a day every day writing down whatever pops into your head for multiple years in a row

the funniest part is all the other trolls think she's fucked with the sheer scale of her mass murder and don't like associating with her even before the game so it clearly wasn't something hussie was really thinking about

Didn't bother to read past the boy getting out of his house it was just kind of boring. No real hook to it.

The only people who apologize for Vriska with the culture argument are the same people to suggest socioeconomic factors for a pakistani abducting and raping a 12 year old. Fundamentally good people try to be the best they can be in whatever context they exist in. Vriska leaned hard into the very worst elements of troll culture, because she is a bad person who succeeded in life because she was born into an environment specifically designed to enrich and empower bad people.

The fact he wrote another morally grey character again but as a self insert.

nta but she just seems like a giant bitch for treating tavros and the gang the way she did. And on top of that, she masks it by saying she wants tavros to toughen up or some shit. She treating what's supposed to be her "friends" in this spiteful, cruel way is the real deal breaker for me.

but then they bring up shitty things other characters did on alternia and everyone spends the next hour arguing over why some other character isn't bad but vriska is and then you go through all 12 trolls before everyone gets tried and gives up and the next day everyone forgets what happened yesterday so the argument repeats forever

The whole point is to obfuscate Vriska's guilt behind things like "it was Alternian culture", "she was manipulated/foolish/in the heat of passion/had no choice", and "she learned her lesson and is getting better". Even her design contributes to this, people will forgive girls for heinous acts far more than guys. She gets numerous "game overs" (died to Terezi/died to Lord English/fell in the black hole/became (Vriska)/condemned to Hell) and yet bounced back from all of them.

Vriska was made to be controversial from the start.

Is Homestuck worth starting in 2024+1?

why isn't she fat

if u want

kinda, if you really have the time and nothing else to do, the Website however if FUCKING broken so you will need to download the unofficial collection to read the whole thing.

Or you can watch what's uploaded so far on youtube with Let's read Homestuck.

AHAHAHAHA read problem sleuth instead

No lol
You'll regret it once you eat up intermission after intermission, that's when shit gets bad

bitch offline, goodnight

Read Problem Sleuth
If you like it, you can try homestuck, but don't go past Act 5

i've started (re)reading the whole thing, and have finally comprehended the sheer horror of all the acts and the general timeframe of unending faggotry thanks to the log-map

the first 3 cheery acts and the midnight crew intermission

the trolls skipped almost everything there, still feel weird that this is the part so many tumblrfags latched on to

the non-vidya drama rest of acts 4 and 5

act 6 didn't even read the post-reboot stuff

"""act""" 7

gonna try to power through act 6, if only to see if all the caliborn hype is legit
but man, what a shame that "quitting while you're ahead" is a virtue that so many creatives are not privy to

The irony here is that there isn't a single troll who is "innocent" and hasn't fucking murdered someone explicitly BECAUSE of their society and standards. But that would require inferences through critical thinking and critical reading, and people under the age of 30 have largely chosen to discard that thinking it's pure academic "elitism" policing how "they should read boring old drivel".

That includes the Beforans. In fact, the Beforans are leagues worse in a lot of ways.

people will forgive girls for heinous acts far more than guys

Ironically, in the Tumblr side of the coin people will use the opposite argument; that fans hate female characters with more propensity than male characters due to misogyny it's actually because of husbandofaggotry and fandom being a 80% female phenomenon, which adds yet another layer to the Vriskourse.
Of course, when you look at the stats for who the most hated characters in Homestuck actually are according to community censuses things just don't reflect that.

80% female

wtf where's my homestuck gf

just watch the voxus dub

Just go to your local gathering/con

local

well you see, that might be a problem

You non-USA?

Sorry about that

The irony here is that there isn't a single troll who is "innocent" and hasn't fucking murdered someone explicitly BECAUSE of their society and standards.

Literally nobody other than Vriska and Terezi were stated to have actually followed through on the psychopath child murder troll culture. Also, culture is never an excuse, no matter what retard social "academics" claim.

You misunderstand. Because of Alternian culture, it is all but completely impossible to not be a murderer in some capacity because the entire fucking "game of life" on Alternia is quite literally fucking rigged by deterministic fate set into place and motion by Skaia and Doc Scratch. Every troll is a murderer. Not a fucking sad soppy woobie who did nothing wrong, every single troll is ultimately a cutthroat killer who will do what it takes to survive. Worse yet, the beta trolls are all completely unhinged assholes where the closest thing you have to an "innocent" troll is a paraplegic who mind rapes and tortures animals for fun.

No shit "culture is never an excuse", that's my entire point. People bitching and arguing about moral relativity with the trolls is a moot fucking point because they're ALL psychopathic murderers in varying degrees and the comic does not even bother trying to justify anyone because that's part of the fucking punchline that is the fucking joke of "check out these aliesn who are just grey humans with candy-corn horns and orange bones haha acid sacs haha buckets are viewed as sexually obscene haha isnt it fucked up that teens are forced to have sex and cum in four fucking buckets that get taste tested by robot drones who will hyper murder them as painfully as possible if they didn't do it right?? haha"

It's not deep at all. They were never deep. They're all psychos. They're all manipulative assholes. Some are worse than the others, but as a collective not a single fucking one of them is "innocent" or "good".

Do you think getting rid of reader commands contributed to Homestuck worsening?

I would argue that trolls who are willing to recognize the faults in their own culture and their own demeanor and tried to correct these are the ones that could be considered "good". Like, take Kanaya. She gels with just about anyone, she gets along with the humans just fine, and in the """""dubiously canon""""" she's the one pissed off at the sins the humans are committing. While she HAS killed others before, it was only the person who both killed a bunch of her friends and then HER. Her most psychotic moment would probably be cutting off Tavros' legs while he slept because he was a useless paraplegic that needed robo-legs.

Even Terezi, for all her hemming and hawing about "justice" envied the humans for having much nicer lives and getting along peacefully with each other, and despaired at her own wasted life for doing stuff that didn't matter and was only harmful to others (and herself). She'd probably have been happier if she was born a human instead of a troll.

got together and broke up with John offscreen

that shit was unforgivable and one of the worst aspects of Act 6.
newest of newfags
She shouldn't have been filler. Hussie shouldn't have just killed off everyone randomly. He should have kept the cast big as shit and milked it for 20 more years like Jeph Jacques and Questionable Content.
The Kickstarter was a mistake. If he wanted to make a game, he could have just gotten the funds naturally over time instead of crowdfunding and having a clusterfuck. 8 games was also stupidly fucking ambitious.
I feel that a bunch of tumblrites that would have otherwise left the medium alone started getting webcomic authors to censor their shit. Ava's Demon caught the strays a few times from what I remember. The author (or was it her husband?) drew some fanart with her loli main character with an older looking character (who was actually close in age) and they lost their shit. Like damn we get a high quality female artist that's actually into that shit and could have provided us with more and ya'll fuck it up. I think there was more in that comic that had to get changed or censored and I feel strongly that Homestuck introduced an army of SJWs into webcomics in general that definitely weren't there when I started reading webcomics.
You could ask the same thing about any work where the characters aren't of age.
Eh. If (and this is a big ass if) it ever comes back in full force it's like a 100+ hour read and you'll want to be caught up now instead of having to race to catch up later.

No, it was Hussie allowing himself to be seduced by SoftOwl and her tumblr entourage which proceeded to brow beat him into a self-flagellating masochist and effectively gave them the reigns after being railroaded extremely hard and losing all control after the retarded "caucasian" incident to the radfems who decided Homestuck was going to be some fucking retarded cornerstone of identity actualization and a cultural victory over the Anon Babble mindset. It sounds batshit insane, but it's genuinely what happened.

So? That doesn't absolve them of what they do and are. Those who want to atone and be better people have to earn it, and that's ultimately something that can only happen after the ending. Post-Canon is literal actual lore rape fanfiction made by the same crowd that assumed direct control of the narrative and drove it into the fucking dirt. Like refocusing the "problematic narrative frame" of Bro Strider being the archetypical "hardass sensei with a sense of humor beyond the pupil who is also a colossal pervert and constantly assails their younger pupil with their perverse antics" that Hussie had literally talked about at length before on the forums into "akshually he was sexually abusive to Dave and was a shitty human being who never once cared for Dave's wellbeing". I won't ever acknowledge that trip; especially when the discussion is about Homestuck itself proper.

So? That doesn't absolve them of what they do and are.

I didn't say it did. But the willingness to recognize your own faults and participation in a corrupt system and make an effort to try and change yourself is evident of someone who is fundamentally a good person. A bad person wouldn't care, a worse person would embrace that system. Sollux didn't care. Eridan embraced it. People like Karkat, Kanaya, and Terezi wanted to become better people after interacting with the more morally-white humans.

okay someone post a link to the homestuck epub so we can all read it in one go

Yes, but simply wanting to be doesn't make you. Let's not retcon the entire troll cast's introductions from our mind just because later on they realize "hey life on Alternia was fucking garbo" when they still actively manipulated everyone and caused everything to go fucking wrong when from their own point of view the humans' session was supposed to be the typical success story where everything goes smoothly. Regretting it only after it bites their collective asses wholesale and puts their very existence on the line does little to sell their sincerity.

We as readers might be aware of circumstances they themselves and the other characters aren't, but that doesn't magically transform them into good people. You aren't a good person because you want to be, you're a good person because you are actively working to be a good person purely for the sake of doing what's right for everyone else around you without a selfish angle. None of the trolls are good people. Period. They have the potential to be after the ending, sure, but up until that point they are straight up not good people and the only reason they're ultimately tolerated is because no one has a fucking choice but to. If the beta kids went full moralfag and weren't borderline sociopaths themselves to begin with (thanks Skaia!), and didn't trust the trolls because of their nonsensical and aggressive form of messaging and fucking with them, none of the bad shit would have ever have fucking happened. That should clue you a bit in on the nature of things with them.

You misunderstand. Because of Alternian culture, it is all but completely impossible to not be a murderer in some capacity

Of the twelve trolls that entered Sburb, only 2 of them were murderers. You are just fucking wrong. The kids were allowed and encouraged to engage in death games, but only a handful of the ones we see are even interested in it. Vriska is making excuses for herself. Saying she had to kill people to feed her spider, when she was more than powerful enough to kill it herself for years. You're just wrong. Most of the trolls were fundamentally good people. And the ones that weren't, other than Vriska, don't get fucking excuses made for them. Vriska would be a bad person born a human on earth. And you are a bad person if you identify with her.

Where in the hell did you ever get the idea I was defending Vriska when my whole point is all the trolls are bad fucking people (imagine defending TAVROS the literal animal torturer and mind rapist)? Vriska is the worst out of the lot by far. What's retarded is claiming the rest are good boys and girls who did no wrong, when they did plenty fucking wrong. The entire fucking plot is EXPLICITLY their fucking fault and the ONLY time they ever express regret is when it physically returns to bite them all in their ass and murder the shit out of them.

Where in the hell did you ever get the idea I was defending Vriska when my whole point is all the trolls are bad fucking people

Because that's your defense for Vriska. "She's bad because trolls are bad". Wrong. Vriska is specifically evil among her peer group and trolls in general. On par with Eridan and Gamzee. And neither of them had killed people even before the game started.

imagine defending TAVROS the literal animal torturer and mind rapist

Literally what are you even talking about

The entire fucking plot is EXPLICITLY their fucking fault

How? The only troll to even contribute to shit going off the rails was Vriska, and in her defense, only after already knowing the alpha timeline events after they had happened, making them inevitable.

Alright, I get it anon, you're taking the piss with me. Good show.

Eridan would kill if given the opportunity. Terezi pre-Sgrub I feel would kill to get ahead in society. Sollux is at least a manslaughterer killing everyone above him in his apartment building (and as an adult troll I'm convinced he would kill when he was expected to) Karkat and Tavros were ashamed at not having killed anyone. Most of the other trolls suffered from what would in all likelihood be considered mental illness by their peers (Nepeta, Equius, and Fef were actually fucking retarded - but Equius would still kill if commanded by a higher caste). Kanaya is an extremely rare outlier. It's baked into their society. I'm a new anon and not defending Vriska, she's evil but that evil stems from a corrupt society that was mostly evil and where you were expected to be selfish and evil.

One's past being shitty does not condemn their present or future, anon. Especially if they recognize their past was fucked up and it's a mark of shame for them as they try to change for the better. For some trolls it is "nature", but for others it's purely "nurture".