People still think the secret of Onomichi is one of the goofiest plot twists in the series cause it’s “just a boat lmao”

I get 7 because of the non Yakuza rpg gameplay, but how do you even find LJ boring?

beat 1 in segments

beat 2-4 no problem

beat of the dead-0 in segments

beat 6 no problem

never finished lp after the novelty died

beat 7 in segments out of spite

beat judgment, almost stopped at the end when the game dragged its feet but overall enjoyed the experience

barely beat lj in segments

are gaiden and pirate yakuza worth it? i'm asking the entire thread here

but I did the second half of 5 and then all of 6 within a couple months

I 100% 0-7 in about 3 months
luckily sega put denuvo on the new releases so I couldn't continue past that

The yamato2 itself isnt stupid, its the way the plot tries to make it more than it is thats stupid

hurrdurr because the yamato 2 exists, technically world war 2 never ended and we arent at peace with the west and theyre going to fine us into dust!

Its more like theyd just make you dismantle it or drop it in a museum. That said magic leg work juice, magic leg work surgery, and mirrorface are all way dumber

I think 7 is just an awfully paced game, even though I loved Ichiban. Just a terribly paced game with mediocre gameplay when I really just want to go and beat thugs up like in the other games.
2025 still no Ichiban beat 'em up

Yea, the pacing is really fucking bad. I've played the entire series with my gf watching, and we both said "goddamn, is this a lot more cutscenes than usual or what?" nothing happens for hours at a time, and then when something does happen you have to go through dozens of boring ass battles to get to the next segment of the game. Its just not very well done at all

I enjoyed Gaiden a lot more than I thought I would since it focuses more on the gritty yakuza drama of the earlier titles rather than the secret agent shit they kept marketing the games as. Genuinely feels like the end of an era for the series.

>hurrdurr because the yamato 2 exists, technically world war 2 never ended and we arent at peace with the west and theyre going to fine us into dust!

The real problem isn't that, it's that the core politicians in charge will be ruined and dragged through the coals for the shit they tried to pull back then and the Yakuza stand-in for the LDP will essentially lose their credibility.

Im 6 games deep on corrupt yakuza politicians and Im supposed to believe anyone is going to face consequences that dont come in the form of Kiryus fist? Yeah nah

Finished it a few days ago, Kiryu's segments mog Ichiban's so much it's not even funny. Except for not having Yamai Kiryu's is better on pretty much everything.

Ichis character is boring and too power of friendship anime driven, he also doesnt have a lot going on, I have no idea how were 2 games in on ichi and they still havent "pulled him off" yet and we're waiting for him to be a real person

I've been playing these games since the original US PS2 release and 8 convinced me to drop all mainline and gaiden games going forward. I'm only ever coming back for Judgement 3 or standalone entries.

In the mobile game which I’m pretty sure is based on some beta script for Yakuza 7 because the story hits a lot of the same beats Ichiban is straight up just willing to kill a dude at one point (and also there is a white guy who’s a member of the Omi Alliance lmao).

Id take that over the cartoon character we got who is either cheering, crying, or :3ing

golden castle isn't a plot point though, it's just goofy mid-game side (main) quest of PS2 era game

Ei-chan... you ruined dozens of people's lives, including mine and my friends' and almost got my mom and a little girl murdered... but you are my friend and I forgive you because of that afternoon we spent together... you got to turn yourself in... spend some time in jail... most likely be raped and murdered... repent... and I'll be here waiting for you... Ei-chan...

I get that people will defend this saying Ichi just sees the good on people that's how he is :) but on a serious series like Yakuza that retarded anime trash doesn't really fit.

Gaiden was fine, the pirate Majora one looks dumb as hell and all the screenshot I've seen look cringe as shit. The basedface on the cover turns me down already.

I really liked mobile Ichiban because he’s a much darker character than the one in 7 (and more than Kiryu even) while Arakawa and Sawashiro (who is the final boss) are portrayed as less sympathetic and more sinister. If the mobile games story really is an early draft of 7 it was going to go in a way darker direction than we got. For example the drunk woman running the smoke shop in 7 who becomes a health freak after Ichiban gets out of jail instead ends up committing suicide because of pressure from the Omi.

it's dumb and the main villain is boring and they revealed a giant battleship before the final boss but the fight took place in a parking lot instead of on the ship's deck

I started to like 6 much more over the years because of how much personal it's for Kiryu.

That shit was so fucking funny

now presenting the yamato mk 2

oh fuck were getting the mgs4 end fight, kiinooooooooo

fighting in the walmart parking lot

Pirate Majima game was surprisingly enjoyable. The dumb cover is off putting,but the actuall game is fine. It’s got some great sub stories, and Majima basically just fucking with everyone the entire game was fun to witness. Really easy to make Captain Majima stupidly overpowered early on though.

I know the beginning of all of these games are super boring due to the story building but it's a very large hump in LJ, it seems. Also, I don't like the scanning for clues shit. I get he is a detective, but idk man. I'll push on later.

It essentially become's kiryu's game while ichiban is stuck tard wrangling some filler plot in hawaii

I heard that his game added some important scenes after 8. Which ones exactly?

I have to pick it back up but I got a little dissapointed by the ship mechanics. I'm not expecting the dragon engine to work miracles but moving the boat from point A to B feels very boring and half baked

LJ story is super mega weak, but the combat is top notch

looks like shit, the engine clearly wasn't meant for daylight

Makes saejima look like a weak fool

Final boss isn't hyped at all compared to gaiden

Ending is paving the way for kiryu's cancer cure

nothing really, it's a self contained story

Kuwana dindu nuffin

t. rabbid dog

How did they make Shishido so great in a small game?
And why are final bosses of 8 so weak in comprasion?

Because they've gone back to their roots of a tough bastard you are forced to respect. Him, Mine, Ryuji got their own code while being gigantic cunts with just the right amount of backstory so you can understand where they come from (also a bitchin' ost).

Play 7 just to see if combat is fun

They have an auto battler setting

Why? How is this better than a brawler?

It adds some context to Buriceu’s backstory, and basically what said at the end. Saejima gets a ROUGH introduction, but the game makes it up to him by the end

I really don’t know why they pushed the secret anger angle so hard for the marketing of Gaiden when it really feels more like a tribute and send-of to the style of the older games.

maybe for the mythical "wider audience"? I don't know myself especially since the agent style wasn't great

The story of Lost Judgement is ass. The combat is great but the story is far from the rising personal stakes in Judgement.

Gaiden is worth it because it depicts the Good Guys on the offensive for once instead of the Bad Guys.

Yeah but that shit turned me off from Gaiden until I played it after getting it on sale. Like the secret agent shit is the kinda stuff I don’t like about nu-yakuza and I was surprised that stuff barely played into the story and that most of it is just going around doing yakuza shit for once.

Ichiban is based, I like his always positive personality
Filtered

4 fighting styles should be the minimum for these games

It’s more that they hid an entire battleship in a harbor for over 70 years and the people that uncovered it were a bunch of dipshits looking for a runaway girl. Who herself is always getting caught up in shit and just so happens to have a kid that is heir to a bunch of bullshit.

is how easy it is to reveal

It's not easy to reveal. For it to have happened to Kiryu so much had to fall in line and he had to escape multiple attempts on his life and fight an assassin specifically guarding the secret. He had to get past a ridiculous amount of red tape to even get the chance to get near the secret at all.

and theyre going to fine us into dust!

Assuming you're calling me out here, I never said anyone would get fined or something like that. I said we're still technically in wartime which is true and would cause a diplomatic shitstorm of untold proportions ruining Japan's standing in the world to a degree.

Even then, that's not the issue with it. The issue with it is that it shows that the entire government from the San Fransisco Treaty onward is basically null and void. All the people who were in charge of writing the laws are corrupt, all of the people who made judgement calls on things were corrupt, all of the people who made Japan what it is today are corrupt, and so on. The entire judicial system would have to be thrown out the window and reworked because they don't know just how many back doors Daidoji and co. slipped in there to launder money to various ventures on the taxpayer dime.

The entire reason why Daidoji, Ogikubo, and the rest of the Daidoji crew are so hell bent on keeping it quiet and blackmailing Kiryu is because it destroys their legacy and makes Japan's history marred even further. Every single person in the government that was part of Daidoji's crew is extremely egotistical and losing that amount of face and damning their family is something they cannot stomach or live with, especially when they wanted to leave a legacy and be looked at positively in the country as people who took it out of WW2.

They hid an entire, intact ship. This isn't "Aha I have documents that prove you hid a ship", they hid A SHIP. They hid an ENTIRE UNUSED BATTLESHIP.

LJ's story is head and shoulders above any mainline Yakuza game other than 0.

The serious nature behind the second Yamato doesn't eliminate how retarded it is, anon. Give it a rest already.

Four is way too much. Kenzan shows that, Ishin shows that, 0 shows that, K1 shows that, and LJ shows that.
Every style has some singular gimmick to differentiate itself from the others, one of them is always overtuned to an insane degree that it invalidates all other styles (2kat, Pistol/Wild Dancer depending on if Ishin or Kiwami, Beast/Breaker, Dragon, and Boxer), and worst of all is that the styles never feel as finished as DoD, Akiyama's, Saejima's, Tanimura's, or Shinada's styles. They're always missing so many contextual Heat Actions either in the environment or through specific items, they're always feeling like they have half the moves of the "main" style, and even the "main" style feels like it should have way more moves that it would have had if not for having multiple styles.

8G and The Kaito Files even showed two is too much with Mad Dog being so barebones and lacking any reason to stay in it compared to Sea Dog which was clearly the main focus (Even if you lose grabs and environmental Heat Actions) while The Kaito Files gave you no real reason to ever use Tank over Bruiser with both styles in general being extremely barebones, weak, and feeling like you were in control of a random NPC that could use some moves from Brawler or Beast.

The style system, in my opinion, shouldn't exist. It takes away the focus they had going on with DoD for years to split into so many superfluous styles, and LJ was the only time it ever made sense with the passive buffs you got for doing different actions, but even that meant you stuck to one style like Tiger/Boxer 90% of the time the further into the game you got because there was no reason to ever use Snake or Crane since they both became so underpowered.

i droped yakuza 7 like 3 tiems before it cliked on me and loved it after that,now the same thing is happening with infinite wealth ;_;

They don't make the combat any deeper when they have fewer styles. The games aren't difficult anyways so more styles at least lets you switch things up when you get bored.

I mean it was basically Kiryu saying goodbye to his life. Emotional stakes were too different for both MCs.

He's been saying goodbye to his life for five fucking games now.

They don't make the combat any deeper when they have fewer styles.

They don't make it deeper when they have more either. At least when there's one style that one style is going to have boatloads of stuff to use in basically every situation and a bunch of random, situational moves. Look at Mad Dog in 8G, it basically has like two-specific Heat Actions outside of the grab generics exclusive to it. Meanwhile Sea Dog has all the weaponry, tons of new Heat Actions, and the same dagger-based environmental Heat Actions Mad Dog does.

Their flaw has always been that they stretch the styles thin which is incredibly apparent in Kenzan where 2H has so many extremely situational Heat Actions and can't even catch up to people while Unarmed is unusable because it can't block swords, and even if you wanted to use it you're just using Komaki Heat Actions for the most part or the sword steal because your basic combo is just three slaps. 0 at least had some lesser-used moves across the board and unique Heat Actions to work with even if it felt like a lot of them shared a lot.

And the US navy has been hiding alien craft for decades.
Things that noone even imagines to be real are the easiest to hide.

If we were, we'd have advanced much faster in technology than we have. Furthermore, holding scraps of some annihilated vessel is much easier than a whole intact BATTLESHIP.

think of the diplomatic implications

YAAAAAWWWWWNNNNN give me a better story beat next time and keep your congressional hearings out of my Jdramas please

Battleship was fine but the plot about Haruka getting run over and needing to find out what happened is retarded when you consider every other game in the series to that point had the Florist who'd know that shit. He doesn't even get a throwaway line. Kiryu, Date, etc. just memoryholed the entire underground and it's retarded.

The battleship is only retarded because it's tied to Harkua, who's ultra retarded

If you like the beat em up stuff and side content you'll like pirate. I have only been doing that for 20 hours and just got to chapter 3. Ship battles are fun but I'm sure it'll get boring eventually but it's a nice change up

Ship battles are fun but I'm sure it'll get boring eventually

It'll happen either in the middle of Zeus' storyline or when you just want to explore and have to deal with 4+ ships just to move like 10 feet.

I'm fine with that because the Florist was a shitty character. They need to memory hole Palekana and the Daidoji too.

I hate how, and this probably just a 7 games deep problem, there are these fuckin ubtouchable zones, GOTTA LEAVE KAMUROCHO ITS TOO DANGEROUS, CANT GO TO THE CHINKTOWN ITS TOO DANGEROUS shit that keeps coming up, just for the story to inevitably send Kiryu there to fuck shit up, all of this with a clearly pissed off Kiryu threatening to bury anyone who gets in his fuckin way.

It's an inherent problem with a series running this long.

no kiryu it's too dangerous

Kiryu proceeds to punch his way through another impossible wall like he does literally every time because he is incapable of clever planning

ENTER

last time he shows up was at the hospital

notification that I can invite him on my Dondoko

So he's canonically hiding from the police in there?

Nothing in Dondoko outside of the main story of it happened. You just got generic NPCs visiting. If Yamai was actually there then that means Kiryu can time travel.

I lost whatever interest I had in Majima after he went back to the Shimano Family at the end of 0.

then that means Kiryu can time travel.

don't give rgg any ideas

It's better than Kiryu going back to the fucking Dojima. Majima at least had the "I have to stay in for Saejima" nonsense going on.

NTA but at least Kiryu had the (adopted) familial ties to the Dojima family.

i'm a retard who started with 0. i finished 0 and K1 and love the series so far. i'm about to start K2 onwards. Are the next few games a slog, or are there bright spots between K2 and the more modern games in the series?

The way to do that is to dedicate some time to him dying/retiring and the underground being destroyed somehow not just pretending it never happened. It's a huge plothole. Also we never get closure on Komaki or his grandson. Is Kiryu (and Majima kinda) the last disciples? Is the grandson the master now? A lot of staple shit is just missing like that.

I don't see the issue, at the time the risk outweighs the benefit but then he needs to get shit done so he takes the risk.

This is both a defining trait of every protagonist in this series and a character flaw for them, because although they make it they usually almost always lose something they were trying to protect by being that way.

No, he didn't. He had familial ties to the Kazama family. He literally just walked into the Dojima family after absolutely fucking ruining them. Majima walked back to Shimano having annihilated his rival, Kiryu is walking back into the house of the man who wants him dead.

Kiryu loses things through neglect, not any kind of failute of his methodology. He'll punch the guy to death then leave him with three guns and a grenade, and that's how basically everyone close to Kiryu has gotten killed.

hes going to comeback. hes too badass to put down

Retard. Never start with a prequel 6 games deep You're jumping all over the map with gameplay systems and shit. It's not too late to pick up Yakuza 1 and 2 restored and boot up PCSX2 to get back on track. The reason 3 and sometimes 4 is seen as a slog is that people didn't experience the series properly. Fucking peasants. I was tricked into the 0 to Kiwami pipeline too, it's a trap. 0 and Kiwami are for long time fans to be played in release order.

It's not too late to pick up Yakuza 1 and 2 restored and boot up PCSX2 to get back on track

no fucking thank you, anon. I'll stick with Kiwami for my 2 playthrough.

3 and 4 are seen as a slog because they're fucking bad. 4 is bloated and 3 is just terrible.

If you're fine with how K1 and K2 do the story and substories you'll be fine with everything else.
3's just slow because it jumps between story and main story substories with the kids.
4's solid, it just has a really goofy ending sequence.
5's only fault is Saejima's dream sequence, the forced hunting, and how Haruka's segment is structured.

Keep in mind that 6 is not going to have half of what K2 has because K2 addressed a lot of 6's faults which included having next to no Heat Actions in 6.

Time traveling kiryu would be too much even for them.
Akiyama, on the other hand...

I dont see the issue

The issue is that the stakes dont really change.
Maybe if fuckin

KIRYU BRO LITTLE CHINATOWN IS BEING ATTACKED BY THE KOREANPIGDOGS NOWS OUR TIME TO STRIKE

we could be like "okay, kiryu is maximizing on his window of opportunity" but instead its just

chapter 1: NOOOOOO I CANT DO THAAAAAT

chapter 10: -The gang "does that"-

well, the key for the facility being hidden in a fucking pirate grave in the middle of the city was pretty goofy, but yeah, proving Japan broke treaties and the ruling party was full of liars would've shaken things up at the time the game came out.
I don't think it would anymore, but such is life. I really enjoyed 6. I put Lost Judgment on top of the pile, but I even love 3. Not a bad game in the series in my mind.

0 is the best starting point. If I played 1 first I would have dropped the franchise without finishing the game.

i gave up during the second half of 5 and could not push through 7

I don't think it would anymore

Considering they were straight up funneling taxpayer money into whatever ventures they wanted legally that would be an insane thing for people to learn happened. Imagine if you learned the taxes you have been paying for 40+ years weren't going to building up your country or even your local community but to some random politicians and their friends who used them for slavery and personal assassinations in addition to buying stuff. People have rioted for far less.

The reason 3 and sometimes 4 is seen as a slog is that people didn't experience the series properly.

Both games are shit.

2 and 4 were considered the best games in the series for years and years even into 0's release and popularity spike. They were both the entry points everyone recommended if you didn't want to go release order.

5(not bad) is certainly a lesser entry, almost every character is given a few hours of wasting your fucking time on some bullshit just for a finale that goes "I have a dream that one day little black boys and girls will play with white boys and girls, and this whole game will have been a waste of fuckin time!" And a 4th Kiryu death fakeout.
7 fucking sucks, goes nowhere, does nothing, and marks that its fuckin joever. The Koozers are dead and the best youre getting is Ichi and co using their kekai genkai friendship powers to beat up the mayor

the battle system is too barebones to really be enjoyable, I liked the game but I wish the battles didn't amount to spamming the strongest moves (and han's headlock, lmao)
it's sort of feels like they approached it similarly to the way they design all the side content - don't make it too hard/complicated to not alienate anyone who's here just to punch people

Imagine if you learned the taxes you have been paying for 40+ years weren't going to building up your country or even your local community but to some random politicians and their friends who used them for slavery and personal assassinations in addition to buying stuff

Just another day for as a spicbro.

glad to hear it because im not attempting 7 a third time
Judgement remains my favorite
LJ's story was worse
I have gaiden, ishin, and pirate left to play now

that's how basically everyone close to Kiryu has gotten killed.

They stopped that shit after 3 at least

BREAKING NEWS: politicians misusing tax dollars!?!?!?
The populace who are cool with paying white to come over and breed their women are supposed to care that rather than building a 10th lifesize Gundam, they built a big boat

4 had someone leave a gun next to a recently beaten man and that's how Saejima's sister died. I forget if Kiryu was present.

In 4 they leave a gun next to the final boss TWICE IN A ROW.

BREAKING NEWS: politicians misusing tax dollars!?!?!?

You're oversimplifying it. The laws from as far back as WW2 have loopholes in them to specifically funnel taxpayer money to specific politicians, their families, and their associates even up to 8G. No one knows what laws allow them to do this because it's so ingrained into the Japanese legal system that they're always getting a payout. There would have to be a full audit of the books and potentially having to completely throw out a majority of the law on the books to undo all the loopholes because of just how long it's been and how insidious and encompassing it is.

It also isn't just one or two politicians, it's literally a majority of the Japanese government that's part of the Daidoji. They had such sway over the government that Masato going picture related led to them hiring Kiryu to go meet up with Ichiban to help him take down his entire campaign.

I have gaiden, ishin, and pirate left to play now

Ishin's story isn't really that interesting and was always the weakest part of the game so keep that in mind.

goes back in time

tells Nishiki to stop being a faggot andnot give the money to the doctor

tard wrangles Yumi so she doesn’t run off

alerts Kazuma and the rest of the Tojo Clan to the secret Koreans

Really all he needs to do is travel to several bossfights and confiscate their guns and grenades.

Yakuza MINUS 1

play as nishiki

there are two kiryus, one is your good friend kiryu, another looks and sounds like Kiryu but he keeps trying to kill you

the game ultimately leads to Nishiki fighting his friend Kiryu but friend Kiryu taking a bullet FROM future kiryu thus killing future Kiryu and the series now continues with Koi to Dragon Nishiki

Itd be better than Ichi thats for sure

Just another day for as a spicbro.

or an Italian lmao

6 had a good plot and is a good time and i'm tired of pretending it's not.

as a side note, i finished Pirates a few weeks ago and while i do think it's a good game, it's worse than No Name and it's not really about Majima, it's about the Rich family and honestly I can not give a single fuck about Noah.
While I'd recommend No Name to anyone that has played up to 6 and 7, I can't say the same for Pirates as it feels mostly pointless and seperate from shit beyond giving 8's events some more lore.
Pirate ship combat blew. 6/10