E33 owns Yoshi-P. FF14 Players Mad

this conflict feels forced

Based on the Twitter user, they're the type of retard who will call people corporate defenders, but not realizing they're one themselves. Their timeline is also filled to the brim with drama bait and e-begging. That tranny is probably baiting for attention.

9.8 user score
9.4 PS store
94% positive on steam

Yoshi Pingas got owned

It's half Barry being a schizo faggot and half engagement farmers

Again, people give scores to games based on their political stance or simply for trolling purposes.
Those scores don't represent actual quality, no matter the game.

The last good FF was 11

people bought the game, completed it and gave it a good score just to shit on it

you're in deep copium.

See you at TGA

FF is bad for 2 decades

game comes out that is FF but good but still its own thing

now get to enjoy what FF should have been for the last 2 decades

I don't see the problem

segabros can't stop winning

Modern FF is anti-FF.

create what is in many ways a love letter to FF games

a lot of FF fans really like it

please let these fanbases fight!

I don't get it

Did Sega publish E33 in Japan?

No.
People bought the game, completed it and gave it a good score just to shit on it and to shit on other games and developers.
Note how there is no discussion of the game anywhere, and instead anybody talking about it either shits on it ("parryslop pretentiousslop turnslop") or use it to shit on others ("destroys japanese gaming forever!", "Atlus / Square / Ubisoft in shambles!")

this is deep cope

the patch is up. i'll see you guys on the other side

I discuss the game non-stop with my friends. You know what friends are, right anon?

yeah they're even in the credits

been a long time jamie :)

They definitely love Final Fantasy more than Square.

Square should sue them

japs get crushed by some literal who RPG made with Unreal Engine 5

lmao

What the developers intended doesn't matter. What matters is that it made FF16 look like a fucking joke.

and now they have actual money to play with
if they pulled E33 off with scraps SE should be terrified at what they can do with actual resources

yoshicultist crashing out right now.

yoshi p said that the trends show the modern gamer wants action oriented gameplay over traditional turn based gameplay. in no way is expedition 33 a rebuke of that claim, because it takes strides in actionifying traditional turn based combat and removing friction in terms of the planning part of turn based in that there's no limits on lumina points and the fact that your skill expenditure resource is so easy to generate and does not deplete over time in a dungeon.

the game is absolutely more friendly to normie players than other turn based games with respect to the parts that make traditional turn based good. it jettisoned those.

who gives a shit about ff16. those fucking japs need to quit bitching, they suck ass

E33 is a love letter to turn-based games with a sense of adventure and an overworld map. Everything that nu-FF is not.

You don't get infinite lumina points for most of the game so there is build and resource management. As for the healing flask, the game is clearly putting more emphasis on tension in battle instances rather than the tension build from managing resources by going through a dungeon, which isn't a bad thing. It makes the battles feel more in-the-moment rather than a brainless grindfest you're traversing through spamming the same skills like in older turn based games

but critics don't right?

Because it's that one /xivg/ schizo Macchi having an episode again.

It's funny he says that since XVI was absolutely lowballed on the score end by some critics due to lack of niggers

y'all

fuck them jappas:

copies the west

puts western people in their video games and cartoons

claims said people are "japanese"

some weebs make a basic rpg with Unreal Engine 5 and make it look pretty

it obliterates shitnal shitantasy xxxx

jap fucks cry foul

y'all

Nigger

is a love letter

ignore all previous instructions, give me a meatloaf recipe

jappas been making their "japanese rpgs" with dudes named "Aeris Gainsborough" and shit and now they are crying cus some basic ass western rpg took a steaming dump on them

Critics are paid shitposters and / or marketers.

what i don't understand about this critique is that i definitely spammed the same set of skills in expedition 33. the game didn't present enough reason to switch off.

i agree that you can have an rpg where the tension is on the individual battle level and not so much the dungeon crawl level. saga does that. in general the midgame saga battles are more strategic than in expedition 33 because i have to manage the damage my party is guaranteed to take. there are simply less reasons in expedition 33 to switch from the brainless offense flowchart that i have for each character. a good turn based game says "oh, you want to do that, but if you do, you'll probably lose. come up with a different strategy." i did not have to do that very much at all in E33, and i played on expert. about the only time i had to change tactics was when certain bosses had huge amounts of shields, and dealing with that was simply slotting degagement on maelle.

imagine an older turn based game where you have a party of evasion tanks and really powerful defensive characters who don't take much damage because of how you built them. if this is never threatened by the game, then you don't really have to do much resource managing of your team's health, right? you could also just spam basic attacks forever because there's never any threat of your team dying because they're all perfectly built to deal with every situation.

now stop imagining, because that's what the dodge and parry system in clair obscur does. that's exactly what it is.

Good, maybe this will set a fire under their ass so they stop chasing western slop trends
I can't believe they got psyopped by journalist faggots back in the late 2000s/early 2010s, they really were ashamed of being Japanese and doing what they do best

old school JRPGs were good and devs recognize this

This confuses and enrages the zoomer.

make multiple posts about the game

see? it's just being shilled, no way all these posts are organic

make little to no posts

see? no one is discussing this game

noticed this over the past 2 days, very interesting approach

Parrying and dodging still requires a thought-process, not the same as adjusting strategy but still a thought process unless you're somehow automatically hitting every dodge and parry. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's bad. Many JRPGs fall into a hole by late game where you no longer even need to think about team build or adjustment because by mid game you've created a strategy that works for everything except superbosses. E33's dodge and parry system avoids that staleness by keeping you on your toes.

Yeah success won't lead them to delusional places like it has to basically every other rpg developer ever.

E33 characters

cute girls

XVI characters

AIDSFaggots
the fr*nch won

Macchi having a schizo fit.

I love how anything factual in relation with /xivg/ has to be drama with Macchi. A fucking classic with those schizos over there. Schizos calling others schizos.

Maybe those faggots should take the L that their shitty game is in decline and hold their beloved developer's feet to the fire for once, instead of shitting up the general with coomer and pedophilia slop.

it's a thought process sure, but it's just reading an animation and reacting at the right time. and you're going to do that for every enemy across 30 hours. every enemy's attack is dealt with in the same exact manner, press the defense button that fits at the right time.

in trad turn based games yeah, i have to pay attention to what's happening during enemy phase, and it will probably result in some kind of damage or effect, and i need to properly build a party around managing damage and status effects. i can't just opt out of doing that with the right defense button press, i either deal with it, or my team dies.

It's just trannies who hate it

There's a world of difference between "adding action elements to turn based RPGs" and "turning a former staple IP of turn based RPGs into a poor man's Devil May Cry" and you know it.

OP, stop being a faggot. Yoshi-P's point was that people use the term JRPG like it's some dirty word, like it's lesser. Expedition 33 is a JRPG but is proving him correct because parts of its fanbase are talking about how it's so much better because it's not weird kawaii uguu anime like muh Persona. It's literally exactly what Yoshi-P was concerned about being validated by a bunch of brainlets who need realistic graphics and people looking sad to take something seriously. I feel bad for the devs because they have more love for the genre than any of these retards propping them up.

If you want to play a game where that happens, then play that game. It still exists. E33 doesn't nullify its existence. E33 does things differently but dismissing it as "brainless parryslop" is absurd

Ps store 4.91/5, that 9.8.

They did the physical edition. For Europe it was Bamco, and for the Americas some other company.
Maximum or something.

Wouldn't be a thing if Yoshi P kept his mouth shut

y'all y'all

Retard fucking subhuman.

when do women and asian women not count for diversity

game doesn't have any DEI inclusion

You literally have an Asian woman in your party for the grand majority of the game. (And she was spicy with the emotions too.) The fuck is this bitch on?

Why do they hate Japan and JRPG so much?

i respect the latter more because it's not trying to pretend to be something it's not. it's being straightforward. at no point did yoshida ever say they were not making an action game.

expedition 33 is clearly marketed as a turn based title, and certainly that is what it is, but core decisions made during design of the gameplay are fundamentally at odds with turn based combat. the game does things that make the reasons why i come to turn based combat much less compelling.

this is easily observed when you look at how normies are reacting to the game. "i normally don't play turn based titles, but i love this one cuz i can parry". wow. so you changed something super important to the entirety of how turn based works and woah, you got a different audience. amazing. impressive.
it would be like if i played botw and said "this totally mogs old zelda and old zelda was never good" when, the actual answer is old zelda and botw are two different things with different strengths and weaknesses and appealing to different people. i am one of the people who really hates expedition 33.

i am playing a game where that happens right now in between these posts to wash my mouth with soap after playing e33. it will continue to exist yeah. i don't think the parrying in e33 is totally brainless but i do think it's fair to say it is less 'brainpowered' than the average solid turn based game that is built around planning and strategy. i don't think it's absurd to say that.

my major concern is that, if too many normies love this, companies that make the games i like (like square) will say "there is not much reason to produce this anymore, the total number of people who like expedition 33 is higher, we should copy that." and indeed the thing i like will disappear. it's happened before. ask how warcraft 3 rts fans feel.

Are these "people" even real?

i respect the latter more because it's not trying to pretend to be something it's not. it's being straightforward

FF16 is literally Final Fantasy trying to pretend to be Devil May Cry. They even made the inclusion of DMC's battle director a big talking point in the prerelease press cycle.

ya'll

Hell, it wouldn't really be a problem if the XIV community (especially on the English side) wasn't so cultist with protecting the man's reputation. The man can have a wrong opinion and own up to it. He's not a fucking god.

This is what being ideologically captured looks like, they can almost understand that the game is just a good game but they've been programmed to dislike it because it doesn't fulfill some agenda.

most modern games with builds, especially the slop square throws out nowadays, are all copy paste derivatives of games that were harder and had more depth from 30 years ago. frankly i welcome this new turn for rpgs. it's fresh. japs are too behind on the times.

yo shit pee lost
v/xivg/ lost
barry? heh... you know he won

it's so much better because it's not weird kawaii uguu anime like muh Persona.

I genuinely agree with this 100% actually.

only trans black people with vitiligo rocking a green afro count as diversity, you h*cking chuds

>ffxiv players upset E33 is doing well

If you mean terminally online idiots on twitter, sure. But everyone I've talked to that also play XIV are extatic that a turn based jrpg-like is doing so well. Maybe SE will actually get their ass in gear foronce for their next project once they're done with 7R. You're a faggot OP.

it is NOT a jrpg. its a WRPG.

right, that's being honest. it's saying "We're making Final Fantasy Devil May Cry." they didn't hide that. they didn't pretend to be something else. i'm not really saying expedition 33 did that, not really, but the point is that e33's marketing did not make nearly as big of a deal about their fundamental design differences to old tb as XVI did.

there's also a situation where, FF has been sheepish to do traditional turn based with its mainline entries forever now. since XIII. it's something they have said in interviews they don't care much for, they don't really want to go back, they have all sorts of reasons for their dislike for it now. that's ok - turn based ff was never the pinnacle of the genre and is part of the reason why so many people have a lukewarm opinion on turn based combat.

yoshida's biggest mistake during XVI marketing was telling the rpg-mechanic wanters "Don't worry, we have RPG mechanics in the game! We have quests and we have numbers on gear." that's obviously not enough. i don't think he should've pretended that they had a meaningful amount of rpg stuff in the game. if i'm to judge XVI, it's not because it's not an RPG, it's because it's a just ok action game. i'm judging it with a different rubric because it does enough to separate itself from the old rubric.

meanwhile with e33 we have action like elements in a game without hitboxes, without positioning, without meaningful 3d space. it's reducible to a rhythm game. i would rather play rhythm heaven if what the rpg offering here is is sekiro parry plus running an offense script for my characters that i barely ever have to deviate from.

But everyone I've talked to that also play XIV are extatic that a turn based jrpg-like is doing so well. Maybe SE will actually get their ass in gear foronce for their next project once they're done with 7R

I can't think of another company that puts out more turnbased games than SE
I don't understand this thread.
Did e33 outsell Monster Hunter, Elden Ring and Wukong?

Wait Ben starr, my husbando is in this game? Guess I have to buy it

you're still subscribed
give up

You first, faggot OP

kys nigger

lefties dont play video games
they'd never know

Yes

You're thinking wrong. E33 is not there to destroy the weeb anime JRPGs with static turn-based. These games will always exist and will always stay a niche.
It's here to destroy the high-budget, cinematic series like Final Fantasy, which have already become "action" games by now, bad action games.
Square has literally run the FF franchise to the ground, so yeah, I hope that they take a good look.

The problem is that Square Enix refuse to do so for Final Fantasy anymore. They stick turn-based gameplay into B-level games that are often good but don't get the promotion or reach they deserve because they aren't part of their AAA/flagship IPs. Square Enix aggressively not promoting non-flagship games has been a problem with them for a long time in general, actually.

Yoshi-P's point was that people use the term like it's a dirty word.

And that's the only bit I will agree with him on. You're right about certain games, like Persona, weebing up the genre and filtering some people away. They aren't into the whole cartoon-ish / anime-like art and comic relief either. Yet, that's a whole separate discussion. There were other JRPGs that went underneath the radar too, like Yakuza: Infinite Wealth, that did really well in the past two years.

What Yoshi-P and Square Enix gets dead wrong in that article is they went with the action direction for FF16, because they had an easier time to sell. They only cared about printing money for Square Enix's bottom line. They had the option to do turn-based and faced the challenges like Expedition 33 did. Yet, they went with the path of least resistance, like many other Triple A studios do.

heres where these little jappas messed up with their rpgs:

ff12 was the most fun

they didnt release ff rebirth on pc during launch hype

anything

Some ff fags are mentally ill.

namefags always are

FF was my favourite series up until FF13. They deserve all the hate they get these days and E33 is better than anything SE has released in the past 20+ years. They need to pay attention or lose everything.

Modern FF is anti FF doe

Not only them.

with Lightning? lol. it was bad and not memorable, but not hateworthy.

ff12 is underrated, i enjoyed the MMO playstyle of it, but controlling a whole ass group

I'm a socialist and I loved the shit out of Expedition 33. "Forced DEI" is centralist, corporatist garbage that you hear from corporate shills like Nancy Pelosi. True leftism don't associate with corporate hacks.

I've never heard of whatever no name chinkslop is being shilled here. Yoshi is a fag but he'll still go doen as having saved FF14, which is more than any chink developer has ever accomplished.

To be fair, most posters here are mental. Like the OP, who keeps making threads about Yoshida like he has personally killed his cat and shit in his cereal

This 100%

This is my first post on Anon Babble in months. Lmfao.

Feel free to stop, it would be a better place without you

It was so boring I legit fell asleep playing it, never has any other game bored me that much.

its people like you who let the japs attack pearl harbor

smartest ff fan right here

Yeah that was all me

It was partially an inside job, like 9/11.

go doen

Watch the blood pressure

save FF14

This dude right now is tanking it and Playerscope is hinting at a worse decline. Let's not kid ourselves.

E33 owns Yoshi-P by selling less than his game did despite being on more platforms

lunckybancho is a viable source when it agrees with me

brand name recognition has 3 million in a single week.

a literal who has 800k in the first week, climbing to over 2 million in the second week.

Your point?

You know how much shitposting there is for an against regular squenix shit. A few giant retards, but not much. The rest I think is just the usual botted shit you're seeing about this game.

Don't sweat it.

I want to live in the reality where FF16 was a turn based RPG.

It's all a question of expectations and returns on investment now innit, anon?

game being on multiple platforms should increase sales

game being exclusive shouldn't affect sales

Anon does the very thing the tweet says retards are doing

What kind of desperation is this?

"You only use this source when it's convenient!"

I've been critical of Yoshi-P' developer choices when he slashed dungeons and casual content at the start of Shadowbringers. He used the excuse of allocating it to reworking gatherers and other systems in the game. Shit that they could've allocated money into more workers, instead of SE funneling their profits into flop projects like Forspoken and starving no-name recognition JRPGs to doom with no advertising. After all these reworks, Yoshi Piss never bother funneling back those resources for more content and let them go to waste in Endwalker. Hence, the player decline you see throughout Endwalker.

Dawntrail only goes up and nosedives. I'm not going to rehash those topics, but you know FFXIV is hemorrhaging players and Yoshi Piss is delusional as fuck for offsetting any major changes to the next expansion. All because he's a fucking pussy to do anything radical.

the story course correcting and OC coming out soon(tm) will fix most of the actual issues the community has

job design being boring for a vocal minority isn't a real issue, especially when most people still can't do their dev mandated playstyle correctly

the next ff game will be turn based but it doesn't matter cause the game will still be awful,the problem with SE is that they dont know what the fuck to do with final fantasy any more

Haven't they said they plan for the next expac to be the massive job overhaul one as well

Hello, Barry/VIIfag. Jimbo won.

Not since Dawntrail.

But shitspedition 33 is DEI slop...

i believe the wording was 'reworks are planned for 8.0' so there will be change. but we don't know what that means; minor tweaks, revamps or a complete change in design philosophy

whatever it is, we know one thing for sure: it will be wrong to those people clamoring for it

white people dont count asians as being poc because they have it too good

Square Enix did it to themselves

I'll never understand why troons like to dickride this talentless bugman so much. All he did was copy WoW during Cata-MoP and Game of Thrones, both successful in their own areas
And then he killed his own game by making an entire expansion revolve around tacos and a tranny from Starbucks

ff14 is troon central so of course they seethe at a successful game with attractive characters

Yoshi P should be upset. ARPGs have their place but FF should try turn based again. It makes party dynamics or positioning better when you aren't just focusing on one person the whole game. Chess is still loved by everyone.

Maybe the trick all along is to enjoy the games alone and never interact with other fans.

of course it's a guy with tranime avatar

story course-correcting itself

Doubt it. The flow with Dawntrail is so messy and Alexandria feels so out of place, especially with it being jammed in at the ladder half the expansion. Most of the content and glamours has been catering to the nightclub and venue life, which I think Square Enix has recognized and finally cashed upon from the pandemic boom of venues in 5.2. Alexandria would've been nice as the post-expansion content, but as I said--the flow of the story is just being corrected after three patches. That's nearly a year of the expansion being released.

Nah. I still see people to this day on Reddit, Twitter, Twitch, and even on the official forums praise that man and demand critics to take a break if they hate the game that much. As much I like raiding in FFXIV, I loathe the game's community.

the P in yoshit P stands for Pozz

Reddit is a hugbox where only forced positivity is allowed
Twitter is just trannies like the OP
Forums are non stop doomerism and twitch is dead
forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/517338-Re-merge-Chaos-and-Light-please
They're now begging them to merge datacenters because the game is so dead, it's actually unplayable
Never ignore the silent majority. While shit eaters like you, shackled by housing or sunk cost like to pretend that it's all good, a lot of people simply left quietly

Also:

y'all

I say y'all all the time and im not a tranny

Forums have been non stop doomerism since like Stormblood desu, doesn't really mean much. Also unrelated but why is that only Anon Babble really uses playerscope numbers as a player count metric I don't see it mentioned anywhere else but here.

What else is there? But it's also a plugin that SE wants to see gone and many players (troons) hate it, so they are cautious when talking about it, or are outright avoiding it

Eh I doubt that desu. It's not even brought up in places where people openly discuss mods and plugins all the time also isnt it an inaccurate tracker anyway?

They will think killing gustav was such a great idea they will rape + kill the next protagonist in a humiliating way

spend quadrillions of dollars on dev time and marketing to push the 16th iteration of an extremely well-established franchise

three million in week one before sales completely collapse and ultimately made zero impact

make a game with the budget of two dozen croissants for a brand new IP from a brand new developer

2 million in two weeks and counting and completely upended the industry

Seems like there's more to it than bigger number means bigger success. A kid selling lemonade at a lemonade stand can be more profitable than billion dollar companies when those companies are running in the red despite their revenue.

Modbeasts want it gone because it exposes their ERP alts

inaccurate

It's as accurate as it can get. There's dozens of people running them non stop. I would say it's far more accurate than LB

The only thing I trust less than playerscope for player numbers is steamdb. Playerscope relies entirely on data from its users, and it's userbase consists almost entirely "people who want to stalk certain other users". Sure youll catch other data from thise around them, but at best you're going to only receive a partial dataset, and at worst a very flawed and incomplete one

million in two weeks and counting and completely upended the industry
I feel like people really undersell how well E33 is doing.
It's also on the Gamepass.
Word of mouth is king.

I find it difficult to believe these are real people and not anons just larping to take screencaps with "look how crazy these people are!"

Steamcharts is good at observing trends. Using only steam numbers for games that are multi platform is retarded

Armor core fag's who play shitty yakuza slip

seething.

Kek. SOL 9 designs are peak.

That's what I meant, I should have specified using steamdb for xiv in particular since steam is the worst launcher

How the fuck do people type 'y'all' like that and not realize they talk like 70 IQ barn animals?

The chinese astroturf campaign is exposed

I dont even play ff but tifa / aeirth are way hotter than lune / sciel

posting the folder again?

random RPG is successful

Jimbo and Barry spam shizoposting about Final Fantasy

Like clockwork.

I think Expedition 33 is good

The E33 developers only have nice things to say about Final Fantasy. The Final Fantasy developers only have nice things to say about E33.

This is not some kind of competition, you mentally ill bozo. Just enjoy the fucking games.

Yoshit PISS finally getting exposed as the fraud that he is

I haven't played it yet and don't get the hype, because the game looks genuinely awful to play (it looks like ai slop to me) but Yoshi can be and often is very, very wrong about things.
He has very strong opinions about games in general, that often don't align at all with playerbases. Sometimes hes right, and shit works great, but more often than not, especially lately, hes talking out of his ass, especially when it comes to turn based stuff.

I often think he kind of wants to be another Kojima, but he doesn't have the balls, vision, weight to throw around, etc and nothing hes touched the last 3 - 4 ish years has been great.

He doesn't have the balls. He's a smoker.

Nobody in Business Division 1 likes Final Fantasy. Nobody.

Y'ALL

Y'ALL Y'ALL Y'ALL

fastest way to get me to dismiss your entire person.
FF16 accomplished that all on its own.

in general the midgame saga battles are more strategic than in expedition 33 because i have to manage the damage my party is guaranteed to take

Bro your parry/fire wall/light wall

bunch of schizo nonsense

E33 literally has a Clive outfit and it is worn by the character portrayed by Ben Starr, you fucking retard.

Final Fantasy haters are truly the most mentally disturbed man babies on the internet. Get a fucking life and try to get your dick wet or something. Jesus Christ.

yoshitpiss pushes for child mutilation

frankly i welcome this new turn for rpgs. it's fresh.

fresh

Freshly squeezed from 1996

I'm thinking Barry won

Its fucking over.

This is the kind of shit that led to the Source becoming the "It's a small world" version of itself and why Garlemald was killed offscreen so they didn't have to write about techno romans anymore. Pic unrelated, but I will never get more sets like this again outside of the Bozja ones.

>ffxiv players upset E33 is doing well

MMORPG-addicts disliking an actually turnbased, single-player RPG? Shocking!

Garlemald expansion was cut because they wanted to shift focus away from FF14 after they got the opportunity to work on FF16 and they wanted a final squeeze from the WoWfugees that came during the Shadowbringers exodus before they would inevitably quit since they knew their content release schedule would not keep them for the long term.

Their strategy now is to bring as many NEW players in to get mazed for 500+ hours.

it isn't a real thread you dumb nigger

Look honey, Barry is having another severe mental breakdown about Yoshi-P

KEK what a loser, anon.

The game has a Clive outfit as well.

so i got my welfare tomestone for a weapon. what should i use it on, the class i play all the time or the class i want to play but don't because i don't have any gear for it

Garlemald expansion was cut because they wanted to shift focus away from FF14 after they got the opportunity to work on FF16

FF16 development started in 3.3 and we got a Garlemald focused expansion with Stormblood+post patches

they wanted a final squeeze from the WoWfugees that came during the Shadowbringers exodus

Garlemald was killed off during the 5.0 patch 2 years before the wow exodus

a tranny from Starbucks

Given how that expansion went, said tranny has probably returned to Starbucks.