For those who come after…

For those who come after…

Was this a reference to Verso coming inside Lune and Sciel?

For me who cums now

such a kino character, I wish they would have done more with him

They could only afford Daredevil for the first Act

the reason there's no "good ending" is because everything after act 1 is essentially passed a GAME OVER screen that never pops up

man I thought that the old guy was also Gustave

Verso's actor performed better anyway

When Verso showed up I went full Copium and thought Gustav is a time traveller/dimension hopping.

It took a while for me to realize Verso is a different person altogether.
I partially blame everyone being a bearded white male with a rough voice, partially blame my denial that Gustav would die so soon

... Just kidding!

Nobody comes after.

We are terminally fucked.

Thanks, Verso!

Yeah I guessed early on that people were painted copies of someone but I thought that Gustave, Verso, and Renoir were all based on the same person and that's why Verso had some of Gustave's abilities and his same weapons.

it's actually hilarious how many people on Anon Babble believed that at first. I knew that autism messes with facial recognition but holy goddamn

What should I be building into? I feel after a little of playing that weapons should be the main attack modifier and the stat menu should just be Vit+Def

Of course they give Gustave the most broken skill and kill him off as soon as possible

To be fair "it won't make sense yet to you, but this is a mercy" was never explained

If you can't parry then build defense and HP but otherwise build into speed as a priority and whatever your chosen weapon scales from.

Weapons and pictos are the things that give you big stats, so point distribution isnt that important
I just dumped everything on luck because I like crits

Act 1/2:
Vit 20
Agi 47
Luck 35
Everything after in Might

Act 3:
99 in each stat that scales with your chosen weapon, use Pictos to bump crit rate to 100%.

When the tulpa builds a prosthetic WMD that’s so strong it manages to make Verso flinch

Daredevil voiced Gustave.

I also thought the same. They all had the same beard and hair so I just assumed it was some sort of alternate Gustave. It's kind of nice knowing that others also thought the same. I don't know if that's just the "hot guy" French style or whatever, but I legitimately thought these characters were all the same guy in different universes or something.

That wasn't the case at all, it's just three fucking guys with the same exact style as each other.

Depends on your intended play style.
Rules are:

Pick Agi/luck for offensive, Vit/Def for defensive

Choose a weapon that matches chosen stats. Or vice versa, choose a weapon who's effect you love and build towards that. They just need to match.

80% of your stats come from pictos by mid-end game, so attributes are really just weapon modifiers

Actually, a bunch of random kids did.
It was Gustave's apprentices that made his arm.
Yeah, Verso and Renoir killed a man smart enough to teach kids to make that type of technology.

Pick whatever feels like a comfortable playstyle. I went full Luck and Agility because fuck defense when I can just dodge and parry. If you feel like you're gonna get hit and you don't wanna learn every single pattern meticulously, go with Vit and Def. I personally would avoid Might, I think it's very unnecessary.

thanks Anon Babbleroes! it feels like the game is eating my inputs on parries and dodges so I might go tankier to start with. I think it's because I'm running on low fps for some reason, despite everything being low (my PC isn't a toaster yet, idk what's up).

want the continue my playthrough(just got esquie)

two weeks where I'm constantly wageslaving and coming home too tired to focus on parry/dodges, and two weekends where all I want to do is sleep and workout

I had the best experience with Verso running the sword that marks with light damage and on rank 10 turns marks into burns instead, then gave critical burn and healing burn to everybody else as well as dfouble burn to verso, Maelle ran the void rapier that just fucks everything no matter what you build, and Sciel with the lightning scythe thingy.

I think the only character not putting out 9999 hits was Verso but he doesn't seem like a damage dealing character, more of a buff/debuff kinda guy.

Thanks!

That was a real shitty 5hing for them to do. I think they should compensate by…playing the piano

There are pictos that give you AP on being hit and set ups that just dump mass shields on your characters to absorb hits so if you can't get parries consistently you can still make a perfectly viable team that way, just think smart

For those who cum after

Verso can shit damage with the sword that puts burns on base attacks and increases burn damage by 200% at S rank, you can stack like 80 burns in one turn and just obliterate stuff the instant it tried to move.

a prosthetic WMD that’s so strong it manages to make Verso flinch

When does this happen?

you can use the going into games machine

but only for a bit at a time and you're not allowed to get too attached to any particular game

life is simply unfair

vods worth watching?

He's my utility guy. Break filler, stunning, debuffing, burn stacking, gradient charging, he's got it.
He can do respectable damage with Follow Up though.

I meant to say Renoir

Stendahl supremacy.

If you like watching him struggle to anything with his dogass build yeah. But i just like watching the chat for this, jamming to the soundtrack and pepelaughing and such

I wonder if they'll actually fix the bug when so many people use Stendhal/Medalum as a crutch.

Which one of the 8 hour OST?

Thanks! I just the fat dude mount so I think I'm still too early in to have enough pictos for proper build, but I'll keep it in mind

Reminder to not indulge the endingsfag schizo and his absolute obsession with mind control doujins.

goes into fight

refuses to dodge at any point even if he's fighting enemies he's never seen

gets hit by the same 2 attacks anyway over and over as he fails parries

If he manages to beat the game he will have done it on a challenge mode few people have done. No Maelle, no Stendahl usage at all. One of the worst verso builds I've ever seen.

What bug?

Giving Stendhal an enormous modifier is poor balancing but that doesn't make it a bug.

I thought it'd be old Gustave who survived his cycle and it was some time loop shit.

*dies*

You don't even need me to tell you
BIM

No Verso is also responsible. If he gave Maelle the letter from painted Alicia before they killed the Paintress things would've been different. But instead he keeps it to himself because it might get in the way of killing everyone.

youtube.com/watch?v=_v4tyAoohCE

To be honest time loop shit was a fair assumption for a JRPG claiming to be inspired by shit like Chrono Cross.
Besides it was a much more comfortable assumption than,

Expedition who? No, it's about these random people having a melty

The rest is pointless

Stendhal has a x25 modifier that's clearly supposed to be x2.5 when comparing it to other skills like Gommage.
Medalum's trait that makes Burn deal double damage in Virtuoso stance instead applies to ALL damage.

youtube.com/watch?v=VB72zMi1eLU

things would've been different

Maelle is ADDICTED to the painting.
She REFUSES to leave it every now and then because she hated her life.
Her INABILITY to restrain herself is why the ending happens.
Hell, she gets her Alicia memories and becomes a fullblown cunt, because that's what she is, a selfish cunt with no self control who's doomed the painting because she can't take it easy.

Maybe she should find a new addiction? Like Verso’s semen.

But it was also his fault, when he had a thousand and one supportive friends to accept him for what he is and more than a 100 years of life

It's not really Painted Verso's fault. He's an amalgamation of his mother's memories. Within those memories are his love for his family and his willingness to sacrifice everything for them which probably came through very strong due to the recent events.
The second Painted Verso realised how dangerous the canvas was to his family, he was never going to be able to be happy again. There was clearly decades of trying to cope and ignore it, but at some point watching all his mother's creations die, while she rots was just too much.

I think it's worth noting that Clea takes a bit more of a centrist approach to the whole scenario in that she thought Aline should just be allowed to play make believe if she wants.

I don't think Renoir was in the wrong, but Aline only twisted the world so badly because Renoir went in to pull her out. However if I was Renoir and found out my wife had made weird fake versions of the entire family where they live in a perfect world while the real family is grieving, I'd probably lose my shit as well. Even though Maelle might try to deny it, The Painted Alicia being a fucked up burn victim as well might be what pushed Renoir over the edge as well, if his Axon vision of Alicia is anything to go by in terms of his feelings for her.

clearly meant to be 2.5

that would make it one of the worst skills in the game. something like a 12 modifier sounds more appropriate considering it eats all shields, puts you into no stance and applies self applies defenceless.

Gommage is a x50 modifier but assuming you have Cheater equipped on everyone (you should) then you can use Gommage like once per round of turns AND it has no downside to using it so i don't think it necessarily deserves to be that much stronger.

Fine, I'll indulge your schizo rambles.
Maelle leaving the painting "every now and then" would mean time passes 10x or even 100x or whatever it is inside the painting.
She leaves to rest, everyone she loves in the painting dies.
She chooses to die in the painting as the person she wants to be rather than go out of the painting and suffer.
It's her choice, she gets to make it. As far as we know, Renoir accepts this, and there is no reason why Gustave and co will not eventually convince her it's time to leave when things get dire enough allowing her to have an actual goodbye with them as opposed to just killing everyone on the spot after she fought tooth and nail to save them.

Yes, I know

UH no she is brainwashing them!

They are copies!!!

Renoir will murder everyone because!

Clea or some shit

Something something spooky noises and your incapability to understand what the scene means

Hurdy durdy play the piano

There, we had this conversation. Again. Are you happy?

I just want my wife Lune to be happy:(

everyone she loves in the painting dies.

>Something something spooky noises and your incapability to understand what the scene means

The sheer cope about the ending scene, damn.
At this point I think only you defend it as some happy ending.

Some folks are born, made to play the piano

So nothing to add today either, got it. Have a good day, schizo. Refer to the post whenever you want to re-engage imaginary one-sided discussions.

Renoir will murder everyone because!

Clea or some shit

This nigga really played the entire game where Renoir and Clea talk about nothing but destroying the canvas at the first opportunity and this is the shit he comes out with. Go back to your room and read books.
You are actively ignoring the characterization and dialogue given over the course of the game, and ofcourse the connotations of the Maelle ending, I don't really know why you're doing this. If Maelle's was the only ending I don't think you'd be nearly as stupid. The symbolism of Alicia's paintress form coming to the forefront, the black and white, the entire conversation she and Verso had prior where not ONCE does she deny that she's going to die in the canvas even when she's confronted directly.

I feel like they missed a lot of potential by killing him off
just imagine the potential of him learning the truth that its all fake and how he would react or what his final decision would be

no happy, only seethe

I am not saying their inclinations are not understandable. I agree with you. That being said doing something just because it's understandable doesn't absolve you from the crime of, well, genociding all your friends over a family that is not even yours (and you are aware of this.)
So yeah, it makes sense they would do that for each other. Specially in the heat of the moment of Verso's death and such. But still makes him (and the rest of the family) pretty shit people.
Even when Clea isn't that much of a dick in that specific matter, what she did to P.Clea and Simon is inexcusable on a different level.
So pretty much anything Dessendre deserves to be euthanized and the Writers are entirely right.

That's why I'm hoping for a NG+ DLC where Gustave survives and that derails the plot of the game, leading to unlocking a new golden ending. Also, he ends up having 33 kids with his loving wife Lune, because fuck Verso.

Maelle leaving the painting "every now and then" would mean time passes 10x or even 100x or whatever it is inside the painting.

Aline was forced out of the painting yet she still made it in time to fight against Renoir. I don't think they explained how time works well in there.

Noooooo I want my happy ending

Deal with it, it's French misery porn.

Honestly he probably would have made the same decision as Verso in the ending, knowing Maelle was Alicia and she was literally killing herself to be there. Different reasons to Verso, but same outcome. There was no way anyone was going to make Alicia be reasonable

If you're talking about the notEpilogue, that was a flashback

She basically dove right back in immediately in terms of real-time. Unless the Dessendres are effectively elves that live thousands of years then Aline/Renoir were both in the Canvas for at least 67 in game years whereas Alicia (in the flashback) still looks like a 16-17 year old, meaning it's been a very short time in real-time.

I guess it's a European thing in general. Happy endings are passe, I guess.

Wait disregard that i suck cocks i thought you said Alicia

Nah, I mean in the final fight, she comes down as her kaiju form to fight against sirene

They hid the canvas, she had to find the canvas and enter it again after being inside it for so long.

It's a bit all over the place.
They also stated they were constantly in and out while fighting each other inside the painting, which sounds hilarious and retarded.
Like between throwing Axons and nukes at each other they were like,

Ok pee break brb

why did maelle make gustav into her brother
and sophie into her sister?

She was forced out but she would have been physically right in front of it. She was gone in-painting for days at least, but in reality she could have come right back in after just a few seconds.

Because they literally adopted her. Specifically, Gustave and Emma did, and Sophie dated Gustave.
Pretty much the natural turnout.

that doesn't change anything, she must have found it almost immediately and went straight back when you consider how time passes in the canvas relative to outside of it. Like less than a real-time hour

Nah, Cyberpunk is genre-dependent.
Not European in general, it's specifically a French thing. All of their great 19th century literary classics are misery porn. Stuff like Count of Monte Cristo and Three Musketeers by Dumas gets cleaned up and adapted into youth editions and movies until they're a pale imitation of the misery porn originals, so now there's more people who think they're children's adventure novels than anything else.

she would've been physically right in front of it

Alicia hid the painting just before she entered it and got turned into Maelle.

Doesn't seem to have mattered though because Aline found it in minutes.

No, by then they had moved the painting to... some cave or some shit? Wherever it is that Alicia wanted to hide it.
You seem to be able to move the painting just fine without disrupting the connection.
Which taking in mind , makes the whole plot make absolutely no sense.
But then again the plot never made sense. Just tryhard allegories and shit.

Wasn't Gustave deliberately created by Alicia/Maelle as a replacement goldfish for both Verso and Renoir?
Turns out he was a better man than both of them.

No. He was just some dude that happened to adopt her.

"I was never sure if you're my brother or my father"

Gustave looks like both Renoir and Verso

There's also Sciel and her likeness to Clea and Lune looks a bit like Aline too

wasn't gustave created by a person who didn't even enter the Canvas until Gustav would've been 15 years old

hmm

I think that's just the writer purposely making them take similar roles to what she would get out of her shitty IRL family so that you can sort of see the point of why she appreciates them more.
Still, would have been nice if there was a deeper layer to it.
I.E Aline's subconscious extrapolating the wishes she had for Alicia into a group of people so that her daughter could get the family she wishes she could have given her.

But nope, just coincidence.

I feel like there's a possibility that it's more than just a happenstance, since Clea is at least aware that Alicia entered the painting.
Either one of the Painter did it or just sheer force of canvas wacky nature acting on the subconscious.
There's a lack of information but it's too much of a coincidence imo

French are a cursed nation which celebrates the worst act of self-harm and ruination in its history as its greatest event. No matter how strong and old their culture is, it is also brainrotten and mutated, because after French Revolution dust has settled, they signed under it and wholeheartedly acknowledged it as the Good Thing. With a disease like that, no wonder their culture consists of this.

look up the OST on other channels

tons of them aren't in the official OST

8+ hours and it's STILL not everything, jesus christ

It does create some true art.
I fucking love unabridged Count of Monte Cristo.

sadE

Maybe, I mean it would be more interesting if it were.
But considering the whole "why the fuck did Aline not just write something on the Monolith" situation, I will chalk it to hack writing until new information.

why the fuck did Aline not just write something on the Monolith

depressed + mentally unstable + Canvas over-exposure + woman

He's just a random painting like the rest of them in Lumiere that just so happened to be part of the Family's role play. He's part of the living canvas universe that Verso created.

Turns out he was a better man than both of them

All of the paintings are almost perfect beings with a single cheap character flaw just so they aren't absolutely perfect, like being afraid of water or being too much of a stickler for rules. They are one dimensional. They are ideal people, as one would imagine people to be.

What would she write that's big enough to be visible from that far and fits within the monolith constraints and that actually matters?

The being trapped below the monolith is the true enemy

ok now all the expeditioners (if they believe her) go get themselves ripped apart by Renoir. What does this achieve?

So hack writing. Renoir has been just as exposed to the canvas by all means and he is sound enough to make 4D chess stuff, but she is "depressed" so she is too insane to write a two sentence message?
Yet she is supposed to recover from that just by going back to reality for a while? That's just too dumb.

Not gommaging you, stuck defending

Trust my family, train with them

Simple as.

That MC is less appealing than a Japanese high school boy with a stick body.
I don't want to be that guy.

Lunekeks seething so hard over Alicia that they begged Sandfall to nerf her into the ground

Writers won.

Congratulations, I guess.

Verso likely would've either torpedo'd that idea and made out the painted Dessendres to be the enemy or, due to being so far away from the monolith and out of her reach, Clea would've painted over/fucked up this plan when she intervened to tip the scales in Renoir's favour.

I don't think what you're saying is unreasonable but i think the story framework works fine as is considering the factors. More importantly than anything else the number counting down is a good hook to get you interested in the video game.

The Verso ending is the good and canon one because you can see Clea visibly happy in that one

Please don't, it was the only reason I got through Simon

You aren't wrong. I get the point from the design angle and I am sure one could come up with any number of reasonings for it when necessary.
Still, y'know. But you do know, and I also know that it's one of those things that is fine left to argue however one feels like.

Unassailable and objectively correct argument

But the point of the game is

STOP BEING A COWARDLY BITCH AND FACE REALITY YOU FUCKING JUNKIE

You are seriously understimated the

depressed

french

woman

parts of Aline.

If Clea is happy it probably means something bad happened

The point is that they could have written literally anything, but they choose to write a story where the main character's reality is that of a miserable crippled stump of a human being.
Diseased people.

If your life was ok, you wouldn't choose to run away so hard.

You should probably go rewatch Yuru Camp or Nichijou instead of moping around here

most songs have like 4 different versions, instrumental, slow, win screen, normal

You can't imagine a mother losing two children to end up like that?

Clea's a cunt but she's not a villain

its a bug and will be patched soon

Chad Clive

cope

I feel like Simon would disagree, but.

He better get best performance this year. Losing to the faggy one note vampire two years back has got to sting

What should I be building into?

Burn, burn and more burn.

Pretty sure they are going to give Jennifer that, even if the french voice actors were much better.

its confirmed by the devs you retard

Clea's a gigachad but she's also based

fixed that for you
Clea is the only Dessendre that is both highly competent and not mentally damaged. (Renoir is not a great painter apparently).

Making you care about someone and then ripping them away is integral to making the crux of the plot effective, ie Maelle's obsession with the painted people and knowing the pain of losing them. The whole thing doesn't work as well if Gustave doesn't die or if Lune and Sciel aren't around through the whole thing even if they become pretty irrelevant later (their relevance is in what they mean).
It's all pretty well handled as storytelling devices

Astarion was great and had a ton of range within the game.

It's getting nerfed tomorrow.

Great game, and landed the ending. It's time to let go, anons.

nothing's real bro, all painted

shit ending

don't look up broken cheese methods

enjoy game

wow, it was that easy!

Everything was real.

There's people in this thread with the media literacy of anime that still can't accept Maelle is objectively the villan

Verso
MaelleAlicia

Either that or they'll give it to Cox because Dorito Pope still idolizes Hollywood.

Stendhalbros...

I just found it out by coincidence and common sense really.

Used Maelle because main character

Used her new skills because obviously they would be the best ones

Fiddled around with pictos to stack buffs because I am used to it from shittier games like PoE

Sciel was already in party because Sciel

just wrapped things up, took a while due to depression. no i didnt kill simon legitimately, i'm too old for his attacks. great game.

no support

no damage

no good multihits

It's over Aliciabros, she's officially the weakest character in the game with no value... Sandfall REALLY needs to buff their mc or they'll be know as the devs that HATE people with disabilities and women.

c'est fini

>no good multihits

Phantom Strike kills every regular enemy pack in the game aside from one pack in Renoir's Drafts.

her gradient lvl 3 (gommage) is really good

The people of Lumiere were real, and Maelle was wrong/just a child who couldn't rip the band-aid off. Both of these statements are true.

The fight will be over before anyone uses level 3.

theres pictos that can help charge it pretty quick, and one of maelles attacks charges the bar an extra 35%

You probably can set up a free aim spam build on two characters that'll get you to level 3 on maelle's first turn.

game should have ended at act 2 and had none of the schizo family stuff

709218298 (No You)

Act 3 is when the FRENCH influence kicks in and it's great.

yeah it fits thematically and she never brings him back even though she could for some reason but still I think there could be more
gustave choosing between sophie and his real life over maelles actual real life would add much more impact than what verso did because verso knew all the time and lived far to long anyway meanwhile gustave was just a normal human
the endings are still kino dont get me wrong but I think it could have been better

i just finished the game. i completely checked out after the end of act 2. the game had a cool concept with the weird being counting down the years until they all die. but of course, since it's a video game, they have to overwrite the shit out of the script and add interdimensional beings and other stupid shit. the last half of the game was pretty shit honestly. the balance went off the rails and i found myself just cheesing every encounter with an overpowered setup without even trying, while in the first half the game it was pretty balanced where i had to play well, and the world still had a sense of mystery.

Just called it a night at the start of act 3. Is it time to read and get clarification or is there more story to come?

am i misremembering or does this not have a version without the vocals?
youtube.com/watch?v=RRCK_Co8c9c

You've got one more area (Lumiere) until the end of the main story, and then a LOT of contextually relevant side content after that if you want to. The side content is chronologically before finishing the game, but it's structured to be done after.

i had no idea what the fuck was going on and started scrolling my phone during cutscenes in act 3.

Count of Monte Cristo

That one ends very happily, Albert goes away to try to learn not be a faggot bitch, my boy Maximilien ends up rich with Valentine and the count goes away to pound his young Albanian gf.

I guess it's sad that she had to be Albanian...

What's it like living with no brain?

Lune and sciel are not lesbians right?

install a x2 enemy health mod so you don't just blow everything up
do all the side content
when entering Lumiere for the final portion of the main story, install a x10 enemy health mod when you get to the very obvious boss arena.

I used x5 for Lumiere and if i still hadn't skipped turns the final boss would've died before i got to see any of it's attacks.

709218584

i share a board with cocomelon zoomers

They're as thoroughly unlesbian as it gets, though they do word their special moment at the tower in the past suspiciously

painters are motherfuckers who likely commit mass genocide on sentient beings they create out of their own sense of vanity regularly with 0 sense of responsibility for that fact
they deserve to be killed. i'm with the writers.

sciel had a husband and got pregnant

both sciel and lune can have sex with Verso through social links

are they lesbians?

i read books and watch art films. i'm just completely unable to take stories in video games seriously at all, so the second i start cringing at bad dialogue or when characters start acting unnatural and video gamey i stop caring. the game was basically just women talking about their feelings anyways. gay as hell

All of the paintings are almost perfect beings with a single cheap character flaw just so they aren't absolutely perfect, like being afraid of water or being too much of a stickler for rules. They are one dimensional. They are ideal people, as one would imagine people to be.

Complete fabrication. Nothing indicates this.

by their name alone surely you don't think the Writers aren't capable of doing something extremely similar with Books?

burn down some house

send an entire family into painting purgatory for 70 years

youre a brown zoomoid tranny, we get it

until i get information confirming that, i support anyone who supports mass painter death

Install the 99999 damage cap.
It makes the game more fun.

Is giving life to countless sentient beings before thanos snapping them painlessly (presumably) better than to have never given life at all?

You are a fucking retard

doing the side content before finishing the story is a mistake and ruins the ending honestly
you become so absurdly overpowered after all the side content that you oneshot everything the game throws at you with basic attacks and wont enjoy the kino boss fight as much

every single attack now does 99999

renders every non-multi hit attack irrelevant

no

tututu tururututu tururututurututu

Are they going to nerf all the other characters that can one shot Simon or also they just want to make Maelle unusable?

i have standards

bosses don't die in a single turn

Yes, it's more fun for act 3.

or you just give the enemies more hp and 90% of the attacks aren't kneecapped by the damage cap.

no?

Maelie went through so much shit, she saw so many horrors, so many deaths, with person she thought of as a father and brother at the same time dying in front of her only to learn that she's from the same family that did those things
also isn't it weird that Paintress recognizes Verso and talks to him as a real son during the boss fight, but don't mention Maelle at all

And a woman
Why do you forget the most important part?

I do agree that Lune is flawless and perfect.

pirate chads, we stay winning

I'm sure you do.

Why do I want sexo with Alicia and her inability to speak and crispy face but not with her Maelle's painted over face?
It's even hotter with her fake self's mask

It was all a dream!

Woah nice plot there frenchie. Ruined the whole fucking game.

yes

Aline gets forced out at the end of act 2. During this time: the party travels back to Lumiere from the monolith, gets gommage'd, gets revived, goes trekking around the world for an indefinite amount of old chroma for an undefined time, then (canonically) goes straight back to Lumiere, going through the city, to then fight and realise they can't beat Renoir, for then Aline to return just in time.

Basically days could have passed within the painting and minutes outside. So I don't think it's too much of a plot hole. Mainly due to we don't know how long they travel the world for old chroma.

I really liked the game, but in retrospect the combat system and balance really lowers my final score. Parry spamming feels great, but it invalidates so many generic jrpg mechanics. And multiplicative buffs is just absolutely retarded

Wait until you find out the truth...

Stendhal fags you did not beat the game.

Sciel ass is just too big

Simon is dead, so I don't really care.

The trope of JRPG protags killing Gods ends up being a thing if you imagine the Painters as Gods.

For the dessendres it was just like as if Alina was playing Fire Emblem all day and Renoir just told her "al right, I'll enter and constantly pvp you until you finally stop having fun".
It's not that complex for them, it's just like dropping a nuke in civilization.

Her ass looks perfect with her pants, but the swimsuit makes her disproportionate

she's not hitting 4 billion damage?

she's UNUSABLE NOW

doing the side content after the ending is also fucking trash because you won't give a shit about all the narrative content.
Stupid french people should have just implemented scaling for the final boss

hey actually we're all npcs in a game and this whole endeavor is completely meaningless.

This game is basically as if I played kingdom come deliverance but after the second act it's revelead that henry is actually some childrole playing to cope with his brother death. Absolute garbage

Are they going to nerf all the other characters that can one shot Simon

No, because they can't do it the second the battle starts. This is less of a damage issue and more of an "ease to achieve win condition" issue.

The subversion here is that they actually saved god.

damn you're right.. jrpg tropes have been redeemed

Unlimited Indalecio really should have been imitated more often.

hey actually we're all npcs in a game

What did you think you were playing? Liveleak footage?

How do I deal with renoir's vanish move inside the monolith? I always get hit by it.

Hi Gustave
Verso let you die
He fucked you bitches
Then destroyed your world
You're a fucking PUNK!

First 2 Renoir fights were kino. 3rd kinda sucked desu.

gustavo would've sided with veros

The fact the final (story) boss fight goes full unapologetic anime is a massive point in the game's favour

There's a difference between pretending that characters in a story are real and the story itself telling "hey dude this set of characters are npcs in the story, only this girl is real and these two other people who you basically never interact with".

The leifmotiv usage is fucking kino.
youtu.be/10m7CzhQrFs?list=PLC4e5UAZcgAecRPu894IWOqClBum-Kyjp
This track in particular is fantastic with the accappella rendition of Maelle's theme which I'm almost sure is meant to make it sound like:
youtu.be/7F2x0Nt5Jk0

It's just bullshit trial and error with a somewhat arbitrary rhythm and fake out animation. The worst choice gameplay wise imo to copy the cheap soulshit fakeouts

Why do i like him so much, bros?

no inside monolith clair fight theme in the OST

Why

For those who come after

Or sometimes not at all, baby

Pretty sure at that point it's just you telling yourself they are not real, since the game shows them to be no different than normal people.

For me, it's Verso full burn build

You have saviour syndrome who like damaged goods

The Lion thing was cool

When your wife steps into the painting again as a broken flawed just to beat the shit out of your idealized version of her so your daughter can stab you through the heart

Even that is kino from all points of view. Black and white faggots that can't enjoy the true clair obscur of every beat of the last steps are such a drag.

Every character in the frame is an avatar of verso's fragmented soul.
It wants to fucking rest and join its main self in whatever we can assume the afterlife of that world is, or to oblivion whatever.
In the end we just got to trust painted verso, who as a bearer of real verso's memory, is a clean projection of him, that this is what he wanted.

That is one weird-ass interpretation that you pulled out of your ass, but why not, I guess. Nonsense speculation is what the devs wanted.

That is one weird-ass interpretation

This is a gnostic-framed JRPG with a pistis sophia and fallen logos to boot

everyone who comes after dies anyway because of a selfish idiot who puts his live abover everyone elses.

the OST doesn't even have the Manor soundtrack, very annoying

It's mimicry, an imitation. They are ink on a canvas who act according to their creators design. They are definitionally an npc within that world much like you are an npc in our world if you can't understand what that anon was trying to convey to you. The mother has clearly lost it and Maelle chooses to not paint Gustave because the women in the family are miserable and it shows in the art they create. I really hate this story independent of the game and hate it even more as a vehicle for a videogame.

who act according to their creators design

No they don't. If that was true the expeditions wouldn't try and kill the paintress.

Uh, sure, whatever floats your boat then.

kek, BASED piratebros.
Nerfs?? patches?? never heard of such a thing

I am retarded, why is 33 again? Why a full year? Renoir is causing it, her wife protecting the canvas, but why

because the women in the family are miserable and it shows in the art they create

Clea is based, she can have fun, she just decided to larp as an evil deus ex machina in this server

Verso did nothing wrong.
Clea did nothing wrong.
Renoir did nothing wrong.

No, he would have totally sided with Maelle and protecting her little fantasy world even if it meant her and her family deteriorating irl.

I disagree.

type that again with actual words this time

That's just the rules here

protecting her little fantasy world

You mean the world he lives in.

You can't argue that the paintress didn't imbue them with that task, subconciously, because she knows she should leave the painting but can't help herself. You're just projecting, the story is to ambiguous to make any real sense of. A whole arc of the story and motif all together is wearing masks to hide true intentions ect.

That's okay :)

Good. :)

You can't argue that the paintress didn't imbue them with that task, subconciously, because she knows she should leave the painting but can't help herself

Of course you can. Because we have two examples of people reaching the paintress and then deciding to go and try and kill Renoir instead.

s-shut up. it's escapism, can't you see? it's not healthy!

The year things is completely meaningless and a plot hole unless we assume renoire is extremely punctual with his gromages.

Gustave

total limp wrist faggot bitch

gets told constantly to speak up,or shut up, or hurry up, or nows the time or stop being a coward and be a man

constantly picked on for his inadequacies and weaknesses

dies

truly a game written by woman and faggots

That's not what a plot hole is. At worst its a convenience.

go home, maelle

Good :)

I am home, wrist-cutter. Go back to the piano.

Renoir says you have sound arguments however i don't care i'm doing what i want anyway and Verso lies and betrays everyone constantly to further his own objective and also treats either sciel or lune as a cumdump that he intends to kill.

what about them

Esquie is nice, but weird mascot

it's all fake

did you play the game

Subtly hinting that Verso has an inflation fetish.

Yes good.

It is a plot hole. If renoire is responsible for the gromage, why are they happening periodically with perfect repetition. Explain it.

Because the paintress is losing power at a fixed constant rate.

on the off chance you're not intentionally being an enormous retard, Renoir gommages people the instant he's allowed to.

Aline is the one blocking him from gommaging the people below the age she paints, but she is constantly losing power. Each year she 'lets go' of a portion of her power that's protecting the people of lumiere from being gommaged and she paints a new number to reflect the people she has rationed enough power to preserve.

Actually pay attention to them? The Nevron are one-dimensional creatures that only exist to "kill" the painted humans. The Gestral are a completely benevolent species that just wants to unga bunga fight. Even in the funeral, Maelle is being super sentimental and shit and Lune just blurts out

when one falls, we continue

Like a stupid bitch. She and Sciel says just enough to kind of pass off as being sad at a funeral. I don't think it's a coincidence I got bored of them when the "spending time with them in camp" feature opened up. Maelle was the only interesting one, of course. The painted humans are empty vessels.

i don't know how you can watch the final sciel social link and her follow up conversation with Esquie and come to the conclusion they're just shells.

It's called baiting. He's just baiting, anon. Don't indulge ye olde content trolls.

Why does Gustave look like Simon and Sophie like Clea?

No, he would have found the third path. Verso's actions unironically locked the world into two bad endings

If you played this game and still thought the world in the canvas is just a fake simulation with soulless NPCs then the only empty vessel here is you. There's no debate to be had over it. The game never once even quesions the reality of the world in the painting because they know that would be retarded and invalidate 70% of their own story. The supposed "villain" Renoir never tries to claim it's not real and he also sees all the value and beauty in it.

I don't think I got there yet because I stopped caring. Whatever it is, I wouldn't be surprised if Esquie carried that entirely, who Verso personally and uniquely created. As well Monoco is the only Gestral in existence that isn't a drooling moron. Funny that.

Renoir even apologizes to Painted Verso over his wife having been retarded for painting him with Verso's memories.

I'm confused, doesn't Renoir want Aline to get back to the real world? and wouldn't letting the expeditioners try to kill Aline actually help the process? so why did he kill the 33th expeditioners at the beginning?

Maellefans still coping that she's not the real villan all along

There are two different Renoirs. The one on the beach is the one painted by Aline.

Painted Renoir (in the suit) is Aline's creation and follows her agenda.

Real Renoir (Curator, man with a more disheveled outfit) is a different person and yes wants Aline out of the painting, which is why he helps the expeditioners.

That's painted renoire who kills the expeditioners. Real rwnoire does the grommages. This plot becomes so nonsensical when you start thinking about it.

I hate the protags face. Something about it really makes me annoyed. I think it's his eyes and eyebrows and how they try to make him look "pretty" and like he's posing with his eyes all the time. I can't stand his face, I want to punch it.

Why do you retarded faggots ask questions that are EXPLICITLY explained in the game exactly because this frenchies know you are retarded faggots, and STILL you are too retarded to even understand basic sentences

You explained it. How is it nonsensical?

And who does Renoir even acknowledge the existence of, that he even cares about, that wasn't personally painted by Aline?

Renoir just does not give a shit because the painting is on a subservient level of reality to him, and he as a god has absolute control over its moral value. Which is right, do you believe if we were able to accurately make simulation worlds we should protect them with all our might? moral values can't work between different reality planes on nested levels

He calls Lune and Sciel Maelle's friends before his final fight.

mutts go to sleep

quality of threads instantly increases

really makes you think

Rent free

Do you also think chatgpt is conscious? Do you think characters in videogames are conscious? They act real! They're not real, normal people don't go "hey turns out we were created by human beings with paint and can be killed and revived at will and everything up until now has been a make believe scenario resulting from a domestic dispute" with no shattering depression and/or absurd levels of hatred at everything. And if they are real, it's even worse for the plot.

It's true though. Painted Alicia's letter has "Une vie à rêver" written on it, "a life to dream", named just like the other endings. There could have been a third path, but in Verso's refusal to give Maelle the letter he unwittingly caused them to be locked in a situation where either one of the canvas or the state of the dessendre family is doomed.

Aline, Alicia, Clea

Does anything even need to be said about them
The only ones who dindu nuffin are Lune, Sciel, Esquie and Monoco. They did literally nothing wrong and are obliterated in return
I'm honestly a fan of how the story manages to keep masculinity and femininity both positive and negative, it keeps well away from much bias without skirting the issue completely

At this point a modern Turn Based Final Fantasy wouldn't even excite me anymore, cuz this gay patch-everything era would make it so that all spells get sanitized.
"Oh no Ultima makes the game too easy wah"
"Don't worry our little cattle we will make Ultima weaker to appease your lack of impulse control"
There's just no going back to better days. unless you're on pc and can download 1.0 versions of games

If Gustave managed to live he would probably invent something that would allow the painted people to get the dev rights and kick painters out of the painting.

Welp the schizo is back, see ya

You didnt play the game or are EXCEEDINGLY retarded

endless turns

what skill is that? I thought sciel only can give double damage?

still pushing this shit

Yeah, give the junkie more ammo to keep on being a junkie.
The ONLY way to stop this is for Maelle to stop being a retard and get out of the picture.
She's not going to do that, so there's quite literally nothing to do.

nerf one blatantly OP move that does literal billions of damage

mindbreaks anon

poor poor anon

The third path is for Maelle to simply listen to her father when she told her to stop playing VR Chat for the night and then work with him to lock the painting from her mother at least for the night and let the people there just die in their natural lifespan of a few IRL hours.
But Maelle is a junkie and didn't want to fucking rest

Modern devs hate fun

oh no I have to actually put some effort into the optional bosses now

if enforcing challenge/difficulty counts as sanitizing i hope literally every game is sanitized

If she listened to her father he would have destroyed the canvas.

This game has 0 challenge

simon also only has one arm

You might be onto something here

That's why the plot is garbage and is two steps removed from 'it was just a dream'

You are what's wrong with modern gaming. The devs have to appease you fucks because you're cattle with no free will to speak of. No more freedom in games because the retards will cry.

found the Stendahl user

Did you also miss the part where Maelle read the letter?

yes, unfortunately
it should have been sanitized more then

I'm crying for you anon

Intervention (I believe it was?)
It makes the character she uses it on instantly get a turn, and that turn comes with Cheater as well.
If Sciel has sufficient speed and the other character also has high enough speed, the turns begin to stack on each other. Maelle easily gets +7 turns out of using it once or twice.

I'm just about to get there. I'm just going to go ahead and assume it's a throwaway line. But yeah, they exist as Maelle's friends in the canvas, not as people of any inherit value in Renoir's eyes.

I learned about Stendhal from this thread and two shot Simon with it when I wasn't even getting close to beating him before. I don't think hitting for 27mil is good for the game.

there's a real world and there are painted worlds
there are may painted world as we can see there like hundreds of canvasses around their studio
do you think all of the people in these paintings have any value ?
they are fake, approximations of people
you only care for the one in this specific painting because you spent a whole game with them

The letter was intended to be read BEFORE fighting the paintress. Verso never gave it. You clearly missed that part.

Renoir doesn't know any of them. Why would he care beyond that?

She couldn't even try talking to him for 15 minutes outside of it?
Yeah I know "talking", still, how difficult is to convince the man to literally just wait for the day after and lock the painting with a key for the night? All of this is Maelle cope because she ABSOLUTELY doesn't want to leave her VR station to take a piss

Reload and don't use it, stop being cattle

Good, so you didnt miss it, you just didnt understand

just wait for the day after and lock the painting with a key for the night?

The people in the canvas would have had children in that time creating a whole new generation that also deserves to live.

Youtubers are a blight. Retards can't think for themselves and just follow whatever "build" their faggot content creators make for them.

You could just say you are retarded.

The people in the canvas would have had children in that time

The only two people left are two woman and a suicidal guy

The gestrals, Emile and Francois

Emile was fine with dying, Francois probably is too, paint a vasectomy over the gestrals

alicia fight

use fire attacks exclusively

Anon, you're projecting a whole lot there. When did I ever say that would mean Maelle staying in the canvas?

You don't need any youtube. Stendhal build is extremely easy to fall into considering no other skill does that much damage with zero setup.

Verso fight

Use Gommage on him

Just kidding

Piano.jpg

It's a single player game dumbass.

In the end, its all just family issue the game. Way to ruined the fantasy element.

And the reason he doesn't know any of them is because he doesn't care because he's trying to genocide all of them.

So what's the problem? If you want to use cheats to instagib bosses, use cheat engine.

Explain how it doesn't, because that's what Maelle is fighting for.
If you missed her flashbacks, she's extremely selfish and wants out of her family and body. There's no other option aside from staying as far as she's concerned.

Just repaint him nigga hahahaha

I don't care.
Post more Lune.

By the time she read it she wasn't just Maelle anymore, and it was far too late. In a world where Verso didn't let Gustave die, didn't manipulate them into killing the paintress and didn't withhold the letter, they would probably manage to forge a better outcome than what we got. His deceptions only managed to make things worse.

Please stop answering to the maelle-hate schizo. There is no point. We have this circular logic discussion ever thread.

she's extremely selfish

girl wants to be able to speak and for it not to hurt when she breathes

what a selfish cunt

i just got back from a trip and i forgot how to play this game.still early game.
do you counter with RB when that square white box appear for a counter? or is it RT?

you expected woman and faggots to write about anything other than muh depression muh feelings?

I was surprised to find out he wasn't voiced by Robert Pattinson

Sister, please... my fingers hurt, no more piano....

The square means you should jump.

Escapism to avoid grief and healing is bad

mfw the escapism for fun made me sad

Fucking frogs. This game genuinely cast a dark cloud over me the past couple of days.

this is a spoiler heavy thread dumb fuck, get out while you still can

OHK shit nullifies the experience, dumbass. What's the point of playing the game if you can wipe everything out in a single turn?

Verso is a real one. I'd also genocide a world to save my family.

It's not his family. His family is all dead.

Verso is a real one.

He literally isn't

Yeah yeah you'll never beat Simon a second time we get it, very tragic.

I'd rather kill myself than trying to make ammends with my family

he was implanted with the memories of the real verso so this is debatable

There's something I didn't understand about the story:
Aline is trapped on top of the monolith trying to keep Renoir inside the monolith. But Renoir is always with you at the camp. How did he escape?

The people his implanted memories tell him is his family except they aren't and he killed his actual family*

Renoir too. It was very cheeky of him to manipulate Verso into finishing the job for him at the end.

No one in this thread will define 'reality'

You keep headcanoning this, but Alicia and Maelle would have merged anyway and Alicia really REALLY didn't want to get out of the painting.
There's no other solution because no character in the game is willing to budge and the one time Renoir conceded Maelle lied to his face like the junkie she is.

The same family that blames her for the death of her brother.

world that the evil demiurge created good

world that your loved ones created bad

astral projecting a very limited form.

if it was his 'real' form he wouldn't need the axons chroma to forge the barrier breaker instead of just making it himself

... which she is responsible for, yes.
And still are willing to tard wrangle her and save her life from her own self destructive tendencies.

Maelle would have been fine leaving the canvas if doing so wouldn't mean it would instantly be destroyed

I dont get that either
I just assume that is why he is in Curator form all the time until the end and doesnt do anything, because outside of the monolith he is just kind of like a ghost

Except she isn't willing, you saw what she does in game and what she lies to renoir about.
The crux of the game is that just like Alina Alicia won't leave the canvas.

Blames her

You missed the part where she basically betrayed them or?

That's just the unhinged maman. Renoir just wants the family together again and Clea is busy enacting revenge against the wriggers. Clea acts stern and bitchy but I don't think she has any ill will toward Alicia.

Why yes, I am as delusional and mentally unwell as a videogame character whose characteristics are literally being delusional and mentally unwell

whew

Be renoir

Have qt3.14 daughter

Her mother cucks her to live another whole life with other parents

She considers that her true identity now

TFW your wife cucked you out of your favourite daughter because she wanted to keep doomscrolling in her bed

thank you friend.

The fact that you niggers dont understand that Maelles ending is literally

Verso was right, Renoir knew she was lying but just chose to trust and he was wrong to do so

Really shows you are fucking stupid
Maelles ending basically leaves the story at a point where the game happens all over again at some point

OST

154 tracks

over 8 hours of runtime

does not include one of the best tracks in the game

What were they thinking?

youtube.com/watch?v=15jYeYM6pmc

What was the significance of him showing up to play piano in Maelles ending? Why didn't he rebel?
I'm too much of a brainlet pls halp

The implicit problem is if she leaves the canvas, the time dilation would make it so she would end up in essentially a different world when she returns

If nobody takes the bait, he repeats the bait quoting nobody as if he was a new person except blatantly not being a new person.
Don't engage.

Aline is the only one who held a spiteful grudge but even then, when Maelle reaches her at the top of monolith, she reverts to being loving. I feel like it's impossible to see Renoir's depiction of Alicia as an Axon (which was done after the fire) and think he hates her.
Clea does blame Alicia, but she's very blunt with her own words and also admits she's happy that Alicia survived, she just has very reasonable mixed feelings.

Yes, and she should learn to live with that, because she's not like them.
That's Maelle's issue.

shows verso is still alive, something he didn't want which means Maelle ignored his wishes

shows verso is clearly unhappy with the situation due to his expression+him literally crying

shows maelle does not care about the above

Maelle thought that an old Verso doing what he likes (touching piano) would make him happy, but Verso was already redpilled and he didn't wanted to play. Then Maelle uses her painter powers to force him to play, and Verso can't resists so he shed a tear and plays.

Why does she have to? If her choice is she wants to live her life with the people she loves and then die, why does she -have- to do something else?

It's meant to show he feels trapped in a puppet show, it's like Persona 5's maruki thing, where everything is blissful and good, but also feels fake as fuck knowing you have a demiurge just entertaining any whim

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Sigh. Here we go again. Every thread with this retardation.

What he deserves for dropping the paintbrush and becoming a music chud.

Gustave would've found a solution, because only he had enough pull with Maelle to convince her to do the right thing.

If paintress powers can literally pause the world (all the black and white scenes before maelles ending) isn't it feasible that maelle or one of the other more experienced painters could pause it when she leaves and unpause when she returns?

It would eliminate the only real argument against her just temporarily leaving/visiting.

If my choice is just to snort heroin until I die then what's her issue?

The issue is she's essentially committing edonistic suicide

The ending(s) are not supposed to make a lot of sense overall. There are a thousand ways they could be handled better.
The "point" is that they are emotional choices made on a whim by two unstable individuals at the cusp of their mental disorders right at the end of everything.
It's a French thing.

Because she's 16 years old, has an etremely narrow view of the world, and is killing herself when there's so much she could do outside of the canvas.
Even if she never ever leaves the mansion again (and she obviously will, she's just blinded by grief and guilt), she'll have the ability to paint and enter hundreds of new canvases. If she forms a healthier relationship with Verso's canvas, she can be comfortable knowing everyone she loved survived and had full lives while doing for Verso what she did for her painted self and let him rest.

She is incredibly immature and is willing to sacrifice the equivalent of thousands of years of life just so she can maintain a reality where she didn't kill her brother until she passes away.

Clea is the only smart person in the family. The rest of them are going full retard over a painting while she's actually doing something to avenge Verso.

So there is no issue then and she should get to do whatever the fuck she wants. Who are you to policy how she kills herself? She's a 32 year old woman, if she wants to do coke until she hangs, she can.
1:1 Clea's own words.

it was obviously intentional design
both Gustave and Verso are Renoir's creations, the guy obviously has a terrible case of same facing his paintings

Gustave fails to convince Maelle from doing the most basic things throughout all of act 1

I think the Verso ending wouldn't be that bad if the remaining painted characters weren't so defiant. Lune especially is very vocal how she DOES NOT WANT TO DIE.

Reminder this is ALL Alicia's fault because she was stupid enough to trust a Wr*ter which led to this entire chain of events.

And that is still HER issue, which, again, shows she cant manage and Verso and Renoir are right
Even more so when in her ending it just shows she is controlling everything to go how she wants

She is a 32 year old woman that has undergone more than you ever will in all of your lifetimes, anon. Including a war against godly beings.
Your take on her immaturity is moot. You will never have the context of the world she has, and you will never have lost as much as she has, or fought as hard as she has for her goals.
It's her choice. Not yours.

Verso was painted by Aline, as was Gustave.

So essentially women just having women moments

just shows she is controlling everything to go how she wants

Never happens.

If my choice is to stab you 85 times in the gut why do I -have- to do something else?

An ant doesn't want to die either but I'm sure you don't care about stepping on one.

So there is no issue then

You are a psychopath

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Retard.

>Her mother cucks her to live another whole life with other parents

???
it was Renoir who painted her over
actually a small mercy, giving his daughter a chance to have a fresh start without the painful memories
meanwhile Aline creates a voodoo doll of her own daughter to take her grief out on lmao mother of the year

I accept your concession.

I am not in a habit of stepping on ants for no reason, though.

After Verso admits he literally let Gustave die and could've saved him at any time I soured on the guy and chose Maelle's ending out of pure spite. Honestly in general I don't give a single fuck about the painter family.

Clea literally says Aline is painting over Alicia when she enters the canvas, what the fuck are you talking about?

Not that anon, do you really need it even more explicit than her evil look, the horror music, and Verso crying out of not wanting to do it?

No argument

Gotcha. Bye-bye.

You mean like he fails to convince her of anything through the entire time he is alive or?
Which again, was probably done on purpose so people wouldnt argue there is a way for things to go differently

Yes. Because that isn't what is happening in that scene.

Not that anon

We both know you are, schizo. Every thread. same shit, same statements.

No
You are retarded

All she did was fight with her father over "JUST ONE MORE HOUR AND I'LL GO TO SLEEP DAD", the fact she takes it that seriously doesn't solve the issue, just makes it even more prevalent

Ah so you are just completely fucking retarded

Every other character can one shot him as well. Why should they get away scott free while Maelle, the literal mc of the game becomes unusable in every role.

I ain't gonna deal with more disingenious shit from you bro. Have your cookie and go.

Answer the question faggot
I am already on my way

Said the pot to the kettle and all that.

I chose the "me? I would never" dialog option with Lune. How bad did I fuck up? Am I locked out of her pussy now?

Falling from the pleroma and becoming a hylical archon is good actually

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WHY ARE YOU ALL SO COMPLETELY FUCKING RETARDED
HOLY SHIT
WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO ARGUE ABOUT SOMETHING WHEN YOU ARE MENTALLY UNFIT FUCKING CATTLE

you only get one shot at sciel and lune and once it's gone it's gone. I don't recall if that's the dialog choice but it's very clearly a 'lets do it/lets be together' or not choice, the other ones don't matter.

You can also only pick one.

I don't you can fuck up the romance until you are deliberately turning down the invitation for sex.
Also Verso is a shithead and does not deserve Lune.

Sciel is basically

let's fuck yeah?

yes

pretend you didn't notice

The best part is that she admits she goes to masturbate right after if you reject her.

Anon, you literally have sub 75IQ and dont understand it
Leave a sign in your post so I never answer to you again

Lune.

the morally good choice is to not pick either of them considering his objective

it's fucked up that it's even an option honestly, it doesn't seem to fit his character

NOT SO FAST

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Yes, yes, super. Please never post here again if you can help it.

Yes.

FUCK PAINTERS I AM GOING TO BURN YOU
Post more clair obscur memes, just finished the game, I'm sure I missed a lot

Sciel basically proposes a casual fling.
Nothing wrong with that.

I'm more of a golgra guy myself

I mean, Sciel no-way-fag's you by the end once Pierre is back on the menu so that if nothing else feels that much more fitting.
Verso suicides himself and the world over being dumped.

I chose it unadvertedly, I wouldnt have otherwise

He does it so when he betrays them it hurts more. It's perfectly inline with his character.

If they do make another entry in the universe I wonder how they'll portray the writers powers, because it seems like Alan Wake 2 kind of it has it covered already.

Unless they just dodge it entirely.

You have a extremely severe mental illness

Sing us a song you're the piano man

I am more surprised the resident autist Lune is so willing to jump his bones.
Especially since she's the only one that continues to be suspicious of Verso.

Should've just found the Paintee rock for Esquie and tell him to fix everything

Monoco...

deport all maelletards

I hope they wont, the framing can only work as a plot twist, if they make another game like this everything will seem fake. I'd rather they just move on to other projects, maybe a spiritual sequel but that's it.

She is not 32 years old. She has lived two teenage lives and has the memory of two teenage lives. There's a massive difference in maturity and experience which is made very obvious with how she acts.

you will never have lost as much as she has, or fought as hard as she has for her goals.

undergone more than you ever will in all of your lifetimes, anon. Including a war against godly beings.

Embarassingly weak point. Verso is a hundred years old and has been through more than Maelle or yourself will ever go through, and you will never have the context of the world he had to live in, it's his choice, not hers or yours :)

The real world conflict with Writers is very clearly sequel/DLC bait. You don't casually set up conflict and factions for no reason.

Eh, I actually don't want this particular story to continue. If the devs are going for an IP, I would've preferred they went with an anthology route like with Final Fantasy, where the story are only tangentally thematically connected.

PEINDRE L'AMOUR
PEINDRE LA VIE
PLEURER EN COULEUR

If that's the case, I'd hope it's more something like DLC, maybe since Alicia is a writer herself, diving into her writings and discovering hidden correspondence with them With Clea as the protagonist

Sciel is very clear just says "lets fuck" and your options are either "yes lets fuck" and "nah". With Lune it's not as obvious. She says not to laugh at her song and the joke option "I'd never" leads to just listening to her song and "Lune..." options leads to banging her

Nah, it's just a meta-commentary.
Lumiere is a world created by the "real world" painters, who are in turn created by the writers, aka the game devs.

they are emotional choices made on a whim by two unstable individuals at the cusp of their mental disorders

They're literally me fr fr

hot chroma sex with clea

i can't find the source/where i read it but i thought there was a quote from one of the devs saying that Clair Obscur would be the series title (if the game did well enough) whereas Expedition 33 is the entry in that world

kind of like Warhammer: Darktide. It's possible i'm misremembering though.

I can't imagine they would be able to use any of the characters from the main game unless they wanted to confirm one of the endings, which they are very much against.
So it'd probably still be a Clea DLC, but it would happen either priorly to Verso's death or while Alicia is in the painting and Clea is away from home.

when you nut and she activates the chroma eyes

which they are very much against

Are they? I would assume they are for now of course but if another Clair Obscur game comes out I imagine they will pick one to be canon.

When the game devs seduce your little sister and set your house on fire with her and your brother inside

DEEEEEVS!

Your take on her immaturity is moot. You will never have the context of the world she has, and you will never have lost as much as she has, or fought as hard as she has for her goals.

What a stupid argument. You might as well admit you have nothing to contribute by dragging up this stupid argument. What a redundant and pointless post.

It's her choice. Not yours.

We're discussing the outcome of her choice you stupid faggot. I don't care if she lived a thousand years, she made a stupid choice and everyone is allowed to discuss it.

We're definitely getting DLC one way or another

Lune feels so useless in the late game. Her stains are pain in the ass to set up. You constantly have fights when 1 nevron is immune to half her damage options and the other is immune to the other half. And even with perfectly executed setup her damage is just meh. Maelle can disintegrate even harder bosses. Just one stendall crit for 6 mil damage and Clea with 3/4 hp is gone in couple turns. Verso, Monoco and even Sciel can deal substantial damage. Lune is just shit tier compared to everyone.

They said the game was thought out purposely to not have a clear ending and to let players decide which way to go, with no clear definition after, to fit the themes of the game.
Whether that is just dev talk or they actually will stick to it is a different matter, but it's pretty clear doing anything but that (or a True Ending DLC) would piss off everyone.
Further games will likely just have nothing to do with this specific situation.

I mean, yeah.
All those tragedies happened because the writer of this story wrote it this way. That's the meta-conflict at play.

The game has tons of hints for a true ending that are completely unanswered

Further games will likely just have nothing to do with this specific situation.

That would be for the best.

I just used her as a healer bot past act 1 personally, to avoid trial and erroring the weird attack timings

hints

Yeah, that the characters will willingly fuck with for their own goals.
Maelle is never going to accept going back to her world unless you drag her back.

DLC

I hate this shit. I fucking hate DLC. Just make a sequel.

Renoir and Verso were based.

You can't pull the "it was a world within a world all along!" twist twice, so if there's ever a second game it'll likely play with the concept from the get go with the player in the know, probably jumping in and out of Written worlds to advance the plot. Unless the Dessendres are the only family of Painters and their trait is a genetic one, they could make a sequel and never bring up what happened to Lumière

I agree in essence. Though I am fine with them exploring the setting/world itself.

Unless the Dessendres are the only family of Painters and their trait is a genetic one

Think about that for a second

Renoir

Yes

Verso

No

I think if you make another Clair Obscur game and you don't bring up any of the Dessendres in at least some capacity some people would be pretty disgruntled, I know I would.

Don't have to be important to the main story, but at least as an optional side quest/superboss/background plotline. If it doesn't have Clea in it then that's a negative review from me.

Agreed. For the love of god, don't try to turn this story into a Marvel universe, especially since the story proper has a very small scope. It's just a small-time family drama, there is no point in trying to make an universe out of it.
Go the Final Fantasy route - similar vibes, very different setting.

Yes.

I'd rather they take the unexpectedly overwhelming reception to the game and make a god-tier complementary DLC out of it first over jumping straight into a sequel. If anything I'd like their next game to be a new IP. I wouldn't want them pigeonholed into Clair Obscur sequels right off the bat as a new studio.

You could have the same setting but focus on the different factions.
If their next game has the writers diving into their worlds it'd be cool.

I respectfully disagree.

Just have a diary entry written by a writter saying something like "...and even if weakened, the Dessendres' oldest living child is still a main threat".

Verso's gigantic horsecock.

Respectfully, you're wrong. Refusing to coddle another person's illusions, freeing a fragment of the true Verso from his torment, and dying in the process are all based.

Is killing his girlfriend also based?

Verso had a girlfriend?

Yeah, because real chads romanced Sciel who had been waiting for death since her husband died.

Based

Julie.

Respectfully, YOU'RE wrong. Betraying good people (multiple times), letting your little sister's closest family and good man die, and causing the death of thousands because you can't be assed to just live any more are all cringe.

In the process

Bitch dying is the goal, the rest is happenstance.
He admits to it. You like a suicidal emo backstabbing cunt, that's fine, but don't paint it as anything but what it is.

well then you're a gay baby
best case scenario, they go full final fantasy with it and avoid bloating up and inevitably writing themselves into a trashcan because people like you NEED MORE LOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRE

they weren't definitive with that being the direction, just floating it as one idea they had

Euthanizing a doomed world sustained by the suffering of a little boy's soul is based.

Yeah, dying and letting go of a life of pain is based.

That's why Verso's ending doesn't sit well with me. He expects the remnants of the Expedition 33 and whole Lumiere to sacrifice themselves for him and doesn't take no for an answer. While he himself is not willing to sacrifice himself for them.

DLC is good if it's for side stories that wouldn't justify their own game.
For example, the story of expedition 0 would be golden as dlc.
A sequel, or second game, could be about the writers instead

The "little boy" is already dead.

maellefags would let their sister OD on heroine right in front of them
his soul isn't

doomed world

false dichotomy, Verso is a doomer genocidal faggot

why does maelle bring back lune and sciel but not Gustave?

My take on verso is he's supposed to represent the "fallen logos", like N in XB3, Malos/Jin in XB2, Karellen in Xenogears, and many other games with the same theming. Only this time there is no dichotomy, so he is still deadset on freeing Sophia, but he knows he's doomed in the process anyway He's basically the archetypal version of a depressed suicidal incel within the jungian gnostic frame

Even if Maelle remained in the canvas, she was guaranteed to overdose and Renoir would have wiped it sooner or later. Rip the band-aid off. It's time to let go, anon.

The game needed a third ending, that gives the people of Lumiere an agency.
Because y'know, you spent 50 hours with them and grew attached to them. And in both endings, they are tossed aside, while two assholes keep arguing about big sacrifices, without ever asking the people they are sacrificing if they are cool with it.

There 100% is more Painters than just the Dessendres

Verso wasn't allowed to actually pursue a career in music

He also only painted ONCE, as a child

So he was a NEET yet his parents treated him as the privileged child? So Based, literally me

good take. I like the Omelian Gnostic allegory, for my part. Except, this time, walking away from Omelas also obliterates it. He was also the "traditional JRPG antagonist who wants to return everything to nothingness because there is too much suffering" trope, but playable. I just like world-weary people who see through the bullshit and have zero patience for peoples' rationalizations of others' suffering

i cannot believe how many posts for this game seem like they didn't pay any attention whatsoever

Maelle managed to snag their Chroma Remnants in lumiere before running away from Renoir at the beginning of Act 3, this is why should could repaint Sciel/Lune and no one else until the ending where she gained control over all the chroma in the canvas and could do the same for everyone else (at least allegedly, it's unclear if everyone else is actual recreations based on their previous chroma or 'replacements' based on her memory).

She got the girls' chroma while escaping Lumière
youtu.be/r1ppZs_tujI?t=22153
And when they're repainted, from their pov not a second has gone by. For Gustave she'd have to go back to where he died, pray he hadn't been turned to stone so his chroma was still around in the air (he totally turned to stone), and if brought back he'd still be a corpse with a hole in his stomach because he straight up died instead of being Gommaged

Alicia didn't paint at all. In fact she's mentioned to have been stuck in her room reading while the others messed around in their paintings.

Likely this is what led her to being duped/fucked over by the Writers.

they put one of her paintings on the wall in the manor thoughbeit

and specified that it was the "only one" that aline liked enough

Personally if I found out I was god, I would remove myself from society anyway, there is no way you can have genuine relationships with the people in there given the dynamics at hand

Reminder that maelle could've chosen to not resurrect verso, respecting his wishes. Failing that, she could've chosen to not force him to play the piano against his will. Failing that she could at least have overridden his will with a new piano-enjoying one, rather than choosing to basically puppet him

pray he hadn't been turned to stone so his chroma was still around in the air (he totally turned to stone

You can go back there whenever you want. And his body is nowhere to be found.

Any DLC that isn't explicitly cut from the game then re-added simply feels out of place regardless of the quality of it. I loved Bloodborne's DLC, but it doesn't feel like it's part of the story. You have to do it before ending the game, but it's harder than the main game. Just make a sequel. Elden Ring's DLC also would've been better as a spin-off instead of tacking it onto the game. This shit works in a game like Hitman where it's mission based and story isn't important. Otherwise fuck off with DLC.

they bury him so presumably they take the body with them, probably store it with their chroma like they do weapons and pianos and shit

they bury him so presumably they take the body with them

No, they only have the arm.

The best DLCs are always the ones which are their own self-contained adventure save file, like the Splatoon or Xenoblade ones

they buried his arm, which verso gave to them (after taking out the lumina converter).

Verso probably destroyed or disposed of the body in some way.

Maybe Verso moved the body. Maybe he kicked it off the cliff kek

I avoided Anon Babble until the end... Yesterday I choose Maelles ending. Thats it? Where is Clea? Do I need to play again and take the other ending? Are there three endings? What about the 'painter vs. writer' battle/war that Clea mentioned? Did I miss something? There are shitton of areas I did not visit, all the sky ones for example. Or underwater, as I got the ability AFTER the ending by talking to esquie/got his relationship level to 6.
I don't get it - yet. I am unsure if I should finish the side content or just jump into NG+

just load one of the most recent saves (one of the ones in the list puts you right back at the ending choice) so you can experience the correct ending.

There's some stuff about Clea in the side content as well. There's only 2 endings.

You chose the bad ending

Are there three endings?

Only two

What about the 'painter vs. writer' battle/war that Clea mentioned?

Background world building

There are shitton of areas I did not visit

You know what to do now. You can also just load your last savefile and do Verso's ending straight away

It would be very funny if Clea's "war" was just a clash with the neighbors, who are a family of arsonist writers.

kek

I avoided Anon Babble until the end... Yesterday I choose Maelles ending. Thats it? Where is Clea?

In the real world, while Maelle is frying herself inside the matrix

Do I need to play again and take the other ending?

You can just watch it on youtube

Are there three endings?

No

What about the 'painter vs. writer' battle/war that Clea mentioned? Did I miss something?

Either sequel bait or meta commentary on how the house was burned by the writers of the game, since they are a layer of reality above her, fitting the theme nicely

There are shitton of areas I did not visit, all the sky ones for example. Or underwater, as I got the ability AFTER the ending by talking to esquie/got his relationship level to 6.

Yeah it's all optional

I don't get it - yet. I am unsure if I should finish the side content or just jump into NG+

You can do either, if you do ng+ after side you'll be overpowered, but if you do ng+ straight away I heard the side content becomes cancer hard

He is Aline’s creation, just made him a mix of her son and husband

I honestly don't see the resemblance other than having facial hair

Thank fuck the devs weren't designing characters for black Americans.

Same, I'm not buying into the whole "party is completely modeled after family" thing

You shouldn't see it, because it's dumb headcanon.

Thank you, Lord anons. i really appreciate it. I thought I was going crazy. Writer vs. Painter being a possible sequel does sound very intriguing, as I am a writer myself. Would be uber kino to play in a WRITTEN world, instead of painted. Imagine all those WRITTEN horrors, instead of painted. Can't wait.