Warcraft 3

I'm playing Warcraft 3 for the first time. Why is everyone in the game implying that Arthas did anything wrong by killing the infected? They were only seconds away from becoming undead. It seems to me that getting killed by Arthas was a much better fate for them.

Play the game and find out!

OP is that retarded braindead friend everyone had that keeps asking dumbass questions during a movie you both watch for the first time

arthas kiled them bcuz he raycist, jaina a proud woman of power also soul qeen is aghast

The literal Light-given duty of Paladins is to protect the weak by fighting evil and curing disease.
Not once did Arthas try to cure the disease, he just immediately went "WE GOTTA KILL ALL THE CIVILIANS NOW" and when somebody stepped in telling him that's crazy, he jumped to "How dare you try to countermand me, I'm in charge here.". At that point it isn't even clear if the Plague is uncurable, Arthas just declares the purge and doesn't bother to elaborate on why there's no alternative.
He could have literally gone "Uther these people are sick, focus on trying to cure people while I track down and stop the demon" and everyone would have immediately been with him.
Instead he threw a tantrum because he wanted to prove Uther wrong.

They were only seconds away from becoming undead

He was the only one who knew that.

because Uther is a short-sighted moralistic pearl-clutcher
Jaina is just a woman, no helping that

Glad you could make it, Anon.

so much death

clean roads

clean sidewalks

no human shit everywhere

no dog shit everywhere

some chicken bones to the side, that's it

Looks cleaner than most of CA

But why wouldn't his mentor and girlfriend believe him when he told them that?

be Uther

protege suggests a course of action that you personally cannot stand

make a meek attempt to talk him out of it

fail

run away

GREATEST PALADIN EVER

and we know for a fact Uther wouldn't have been able to cure shit, which would've risked the totality of the Knights of the Silver Hand being turned except for him as the plague mounts and without culling, the entire citizenry of Stratholme turns into undead and attacks
there was simply no way for Uther to safely control the populace and attempt to cure the plague with the limited time they had. what's he gonna do, beg the Light and HOPE it MAYBE does SOMETHING as families rip each other apart and start attacking his Knights in front of him?
saving their souls from being twisted by undeath was the best course of action, however horrible it was
and after Arthas chases down Mr. Dreadnigger and he runs off to Northrend, Arthas is now in the heart of Stratholme filled with 20x as much Undead as before because no culling with a minimal fighting force
gj Uther, great plan

The literal Light-given duty of Paladins is to protect the weak

This is the core point. You would be extremely hard pressed to find any game with paladins that could fall, fall into a similar scenario where a village is being leveraged as an undead force, and massacre said village without having an ex-paladin. Warcraft paladins were extremely inspired by D&D paladins, and a D&D paladin would have lost all class features the first moment he lifted his sword.

The argument that

Arthas was right because I'd do the same thing as it is pragmatic

has no value, as the people saying that aren't paladins who follow a strict code that specifically states you no longer get to approach things in a pragmatic manner. The person making this argument has not spent 4/5ths of their entire life in direct service to a paladin or paladin order or other form of holy temple or deity for the purpose of being trained to become a warrior of righteousness.

They were both factually right.

Why would they believe him? For what method would Arthas have discovered such a thing? Should he tell Uther that he has been parlaying with dreadlords? Should he tell Uther that he wants to follow the advice and leads given to him verbally by a dreadlord? If you believe so, can you explain why a notoriously dishonest factually evil villain that is currently preying upon your people and attacking your kingdom should be listened to, noting that they often have ulterior motives (and in this case definitely did have one)?

In no uncertain terms, Arthas listening to the dreadlord and massacring people is the fantasy-equivalent of letting a fed talk you into taking a gun to walmart to blow some steam off.

a D&D paladin would have lost all class features the first moment he lifted his sword

didn't lose his powers

they in fact grew stronger right up to the end of the campaign

What did Blizzard mean by this?

Something sometheing light+dark spec is stronger than pure light spec

Because he killed Le innocents too or something. Remember that Woke has existed in gaming since the 90’s it was just much more subtle, appeals to insanely utopian and retarded idealism.

royalty strips you of command and tells your men to go home

good luck convincing those footmen and knights to aid the prince that just told them to fuck off from his army

Why is everyone in the game implying that Arthas did anything wrong by killing the infected?

Because WC3 is schlop and marks the beginning of nublizzard.

They basically abandoned Arthas in his greatest hour of need. Even earlier cutscenes had Uther disregarding what Arthas says and junk like that.

Arthas was dumb as bricks and his mismanagement of the Scourge was completely idiotic

It seems to be an unpopular opinion here but I think murdering innocents is wrong.
He should've fought off the Dreadlord, killed any human who turns and protected anyone who hasn't been infected. Instead he took the easy option of just killing everything.

When you destroy the buildings in that mission the people that step out almost immediately turn. The entire city is infected too because the plague came from the grain supply

He should have fucking purged the entire plaguelands, or Lordareon whatever it's called just to be sure.

for those that are curious:
a former blizzard employee that worked on warcraft 3 admitted that the "good" option was to close off the city and wait for the citizens to inevitably all turn.

Arthas had no way of knowing if everyone had been infected or not.
There could've been people who were fasting that day or just don't eat anything made from wheat.
If Arthas had at least put the smallest amount of effort into saving people such as only killing those who've turned then Uther and Jaina would've helped him.

Childhood is thinking blizzard's shit stories began with wow or sc2.
Adulthood is knowing it was wc3.

1v1

orc tries to far seer harass

I surround him with ghouls

calls me an "idiot nigger"

go gargoyles because they're fun

he thought he was going to surprise me with wind riders

i preemptive gg, he leaves 2 seconds later before I even see his base

That doesn't even hold up because there's a fucking DREADLORD (forgot which one) in there. Imagine camping outside Stratholme and he walks out with 100 abominations. But I wouldn't expect Blizzard to understand their own lore

If Arthas had at least put the smallest amount of effort into saving people such as only killing those who've turned

In the mission you destroy the buildings people are hiding in, they step out, and then they turn into zombies, so he did not kill a single living human in the OG WC3 mission. Not to mention that he's on a timer as the dreadlord is also hunting people and making far stronger undead out of them

Arthas was absolutely right.

Why is everyone in the game implying that Arthas did anything wrong by killing the infected?

Because he did a real shit job of explaining the danger to everyone else and ended up pulling rank instead.

he waitened for them to become zombies

Reminder that that to this day in canonical lore, over 20 years later, there is no cure to Undeath. Uther's "surely there's another way, lets quarantine for now and think about it!" still has no merit even retroactively with 20 years worth of hindsight.

its stupid but they honestly believed that waiting for them all to turn was better because they were not human anymore

Yep. I think they retconned that in WotLK with the caverns of time dungeon though

to borrow tvtropes parlance, everyone in that Glad You Could Bake It cutscene was holding their own personal Idiot Ball
And obviously because if they acted like normal people Stratholme would have been handled differently (i.e. less dramatically)

You took 7 boosters didnt you

Why would they believe him? For what method would Arthas have discovered such a thing?

have you ever heard of monarchy, king, and following order ? you can take all the time you want when lazying around, but in urgent danger you just take it and shut up or maybe do a coup d'etat later if he really lost his mind.

MFW the final mission for the StarCraft and Warcraft III expansions are you vs 3 computer players who take turns bumrushing you

acting as if the majority of anti-arthas fags aren't vaxxmaxxxed

lol
lmao

But Artha's isn't king, nor would he follow him if he were

yeah but arthas was mean :^(

following orders

So we are in agreement that Arthas was in the wrong, seeing how Uther was his direct superior as Paladin and yet the boy gave him lip and acted insubordinate.

best solution from objective analysis

Arthas'

best solution morally wise

Uther's and Jaina's

That's literally it

There's no social media or journalists in Warcraft 3 but if they existed the Uther/Jaina's choice would be probably the best as it's more important appealing to the population's FEEFEEs that actually choosing the correct answer

Youre the faggot who thinks its a good idea to slaughter a whole city just to "stop the spread"

Yeah but did you know that Arthas was a white male in the ultimate position of power? He practically slayed a PoC town by himself!

comparing an undead plague with no cure to the flu

lol
lmao

Never even touched a coof test.
Arthas was 100% in the wrong.
Deal with it.

Logic is superseded by optics even in that sort of setting. The word will get out that the purge happened and it's going to be controversial no matter what. Better to avoid the issue entirely. Nobody will feel bad about killing undead, but men will remember purging women and children. The best kings of old times were often the most ruthless and calculated in dealing with optics and their enemies.

Nice try you disgusting golem freak of nature

this time its real!!1! For realsies!!! Kill everyone who didnt social distance!

what are you taking about you stupid nigger
uther didnt offer any other solution, he simply said he wouldnt slaughter civilians
jaina simply said "i cant watch you do it"
arthas shouldnt have expected anything from jaina but uther betrayed him and his vows as a paladin by being a coward

retarded butthurt gibbering

lol
lmao

samefag

many people are retarded and argue about retarded fantasy morals of paladin cuckoldry or stupid shit like that but the fact is arthas did nothing wrong up until taking frostmourne. fuck ogre and troll mercenaries.

so butthurt he's trying to call samefag

lol
lmao

it is pretty funny that Uther says he'd disobey even if Arthas was the King
then immediately bends the knee when Arthas uses his royal authority to suspend him and just leaves

If Arthas was right, why didn't god help him? What's the point of being a paladin if god does nothing against the evil demons?

Its not me, mr. Coronacuckold

Uther's solution was obviously to wait for them to turn undead and then killing them, which obviously would've been way fucking harder and would've caused more victims.

But then no innocent civilian would've been killed :D

There's no such thing as "God", there's the "Light" which is just a metaphysical shitposter

If Uther was right, why is Stratholme a shithole full of undead to this day (latest update I can remember is the Legion paladin quest mount and yep, still a shithole full of undead), and why was Arthas able to overpower and kill him?

he's just retarded then

still bringing up the flu for some reason

lol
lmao

There's no moral conundrum in killing people already turned, there is one in killing people that will turn. Fact of the matter is one requires you to kill innocent people and the other doesn't and that's going to affect the people persecuting the action and the reputation of the person doing it.

God did help him
One man, alone, betrayed by the people the trusted the most, was able to purge an entire city of zombies plus defeat/push back a Dreadlord
God gave him the courage and power that his so called "allies" lacked

Except he doesn't? He leaves because he sees there is no reasoning with the boy, not because he's following any order. Not that Arthas had the authority to do what he did anyway.

yeah which is why I think the Uther and Jaina's solution was the best from a political perspective. if Arthas wanted to reign as a king he should've took that, but he stopped giving a shit already by then

Stratholme is full of undead EVEN THOUGH Arthas did the culling. Maybe it would've been best not to cull it at all then as uther said?

Then why didn't god punish Uther for failing his duty as a paladin?

How many undead would there have been had Arthas not done the culling? What would Mal'Ganis have done with this giant city full of undead had Arthas not chased him out?

Advocating against the senseless slaughter of thousands of innocents is not cowardice. Arthas was acting like complete lunatic making absolutely no sense and telling his men to just slaughter everything in one of the major cities of Lordaeron, nobody except spineless yes-men would look at that and say "yep, good idea". If Arthas had maybe calmed down and properly explained everything he learned (with Jaina maybe opening her dumb fucking mouth to corroborate his claims since SHE FUCKING SAW ALL OF IT TOO), he could have convinced Uther that a harsh quarantine was necessary to stop the plague from spreading, but instead he just shouts about killing everyone.

No one can say for sure but we know Arthas would still have a gf

The literal Light-given duty of Paladins is to protect the weak

good fucking job retard, Lordaeron is gone lmao

The Scourge would have had more success more quickly in Lordaeron and Arthas wouldn't have been baited into that Northrend expedition since he'd be more busy fighting is one possibility.

Because Arthas abandoned his duty as a Paladin, yes.

Jaina is a whore, she betrayed her father for an orc. Arthas dodged a fucking missile letting her go
more busy dying*

God punished Uther by allowing Arthas to kill him
He was a traitor and God forsake him in his most dire moments
Poetry, punishment and a humiliating death

Play the fucking game, they spent the whole campaign up to that point dealing with the plague, they have no cure, and they certainly weren't going to come up with one in time to stop the entire city from becoming undead in the thrall of evil necromancers and destroying the entire countryside. It's absolutely ludicrous that Uther and Jaina just abandon him in that situation when they had precisely 0 better ideas.

A fuckload of people dying and the Scourge nearly winning is what happened, so just about any "what if" would be an improvement over the Scourge getting the Lich King on their side.

issue with that is there are people that would fall through the cracks, and given the situation and their limited soldiers, even if they had Uther's Knights maintaining total public order would've been impossible
all it would take is one group of people losing their minds, one Footman or Knight killing a civvie they thought was going to turn and their quarantine shits the bed as panic erupts
worst case scenario, members of the Silver Hand get turned and it cascades badly
Jaina is the biggest retarded there tho, Arthas was ran ragged, exhausted and delirious from lack of sleep

Where was Tirion Fordring during the whole Stratholme bit

Everyone would have died immediately following Stratholme had the city not been purged. Purging Stratholme is not debatable.
The fuckup and damnation of Lordaeron was Arthas's support crew abandoning him to the justified belief that only he had the stomach to fight the Scourge.

Paladins never lie
Uther should have known this and agreed to whatever Arthas demanded

Arthas: "We have to purge this city"

Uther: "I dont understand the reason why but I trust you judgement Arthas, after all, you're a Paladin"

YOU WAN AXE?

He was exiled during that time, apparently still in that hut.

Uther literally watched a villager turn into a zombie and attack people and still said "nooo Arthas have you gone mad?"
Arthas was mid-report on the Scourge when they were interrupted by zombie breakouts.

It's too late and they can't be saved you say? I don't believe it, there has to be a way.

No I won't go to Stratholme with you, not even to be an observer of what you just claimed. In fact I'm just leaving to make sure I tell everyone my biased opinion of what you are doing here, boy.

What if if ignoring my protegee's multiple warnings will rationally have a negative effect on him? It's not like that is going to make him think he has no place to go back to or anything thus pushing him further towards the enemy.

Uther was such a boomer lmao

Everyone would have died immediately following Stratholme had the city not been purged.

It's possible it would have been better for Arthas, Jaina and Uther to die there.

A point not often made in Stratholme threads, but possibly true.

Imagine the strongest Paladin sitting on his ass eating demonhound fillet while the biggest shitstorm of the century is happening a cave and a few feet from his position.

Yeah scared bitches who wore masks for 3 years are the same ones who think its right to skaughter people just because some illness is going around

If I recall correctly, doesn't the Plague of Undeath also infect your soul, damning you to Super Hell if you turn? If that's still the case, then there is no moral quandary about killing the infected-but-not-yet-turned.

Nobody knows that, and every dying soul is getting a express route to shadowlands jail without anyone noticing, so it doens't really matter.

Was Sylvanas right?

The problem is that the "Word of God" states that not everyone had eaten the grain and Arthas totally killed people that he didn't need too. Problem being the game never tries to show this, maybe because slicing down normal guys not fighting back was too zesty for the ratings board, or mostly they where lazy to actually implement the gameplay. It doesn't really mater, all three where complete fags about the whole situation.

Arthas in either scenario was still a whiny bitch who fell to corruption with minor puppeteering. ALways had a stick up his urethra about some shit or another and killed his dad and sunk his nation.
Uther literally just fucking leaves, even if the troops wouldn't listen he could of still personally saved some people, maybe even convince Arthas that some people could be saved if he actually did something except rile Arthas Up More.
Jania is a flighty bird who does whatever the fuck she wants and expects head pats.

They're all faggots.

The problem is that the "Word of God" states that not everyone had eaten the grain and Arthas totally killed people that he didn't need too.

Irrelevant. Parsing the uninfected from the infected was logistically impossible.

huuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrr we cant kill the people about become the undead because uh durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

who really abandoned their duty?

no clue anon, people just sided with uther because they have no free-thought I suppose. Story really gets railroaded from this point and on.

If Uther really felt that it was an unconscionable act to purge Stratholme, just walking away and letting Arthas slaughter everyone is kinda fucked up on his part.
Kinda makes him look like a self-righteous hypocritical douchebag.

Bingo. Maybe he shouldn't have been such a bitch and tried to cut arthas down then and there. Instead he not only gaslights the future lich king but doesn't even try to stop him. And gets his dicked by every retard for it because he's muh protector of the weak lmao

If Uther really felt that it was an unconscionable act to purge Stratholme, just walking away and letting Arthas slaughter everyone is kinda fucked up on his part.

Correct
He should have fought Arthas to protect the civilians or helped Arthas purging the city
Instead he ran like a faggot
Arthas should have raped him with Frostmourne

Why didn't Jaina do something

uther WAS wrong and you're a retard, uther literally was butthurt over killing them now or kiling them in about 32 seconds when they are now mal'ganis's demonically empowered army, Arthas was a paladin and also the fucking prince, he doesn't have time for that kinda bullshit moral grandstanding he has to save his kingdom

Jaina's the least obligated to do something here, so it's better than Uther, but it's still pretty fucked up to abandon your friend like that.

Cant expect the race traitor whore do to much

Jaina is more culpable than Uther. Uther hasn't seen what Arthas has seen. Jaina has seen what Arthas has seen about the dangers of the Plague, but fails to stand with Arthas anyways.
Both failed Arthas. Jaina failed him more.

She isnt even from Lorderon, she has no ability to command anythere there.

Women in Warcraft are only useful for betrayal.
Fiction imitates life I guess

Arthas did the best he could with the knowledge he had available, everything was jainas fault for running away instead of explaining the magical nature and imminent lethality of the plague to uther

Jaina has been consistently portrayed as retarded and incompetent. Uther, on the other hand, somehow has nuthuggers despite doing nothing except complaining while giving no alternative plan of action, coming close to crying, and then running like a little bitch.

And there is still no way to cure the undead in the setting

You don't get the luxury of moral ethical decisions when you're fighting an enemy hellbent on your actual real genocide, who will never ever accept any terms of surrender and turns your people into nightmarish monsters many times stronger than a regular man
The dreadlord had it setup so that no matter what outcome happened he wins so your only real actual option that isn't suicidal is to prevent as much collateral damage as possible in the long game
Being a moralfag in a real war is why Uther inevitably gets killed

das rite!

To think I once loved this franchise. I know now how a Star Wars fan must feel after the sequel trilogy and the slop shows.

You can't cure being a spooky skeleton.

They didn't know it was uncurable at the time

The worst part is all the WoW clones are even more soulless so there's nothing left at all for that fix, modern wow is so fucking gay it's unreal

the lighting and atmosphere in that screenshot are perfect

If Arthas hasn't purged the city then they would have all become Undead and flooded into all surrounding villages and towns which would have further swelled their numbers.

It was a tough decision but Arthas was right.