Name a character that went thru more pain than her. I'll wait

Name a character that went thru more pain than her. I'll wait

Cute male

Kahran Ramsus

This game sucks balls

Her

Joan of Arc

Bee Hiveman.

uhm, ellie from last of us? you ARE watching her show, right chud?

Canonically selfish.
You're a really bad person if you side with her.
Actually it makes me want to vomit.

Ironic considering Verso's only motivation was his selfish desire to kill himself.

As with every single one of these shitty threads.

Palestinians and Ukrainians.

Maelle is ugly and isn't white

She hasn't even suffered the most in her own game
Both Verso and Painted Alicia suffered more. Maybe Painted Clea and Simon too depending on how aware they are of their respective predicaments

maybe maille would have done the right thing if clea wasnt such a cunt to her. sad that the objectively good ending is maille living the rest of her life as an outcast. Maille's ending is objectively worse. No one there has free will if it goes against her wishes.

I gotta be honest though, i do not know what the fuck the point of the expiditions were really for and why there was only 100 of them in total, idk why renoir and aline decided to just fuck with the fake people of lumiere

is that zelensky

I would still put it in her butt , maybe then she'll feel pleasure?

what is this schizo going on about

Is this game teaching people to tell the disabled to fuck off? Is this eugenics?

Why are you acting like Maelle is running some power hungry dictatorship? Verso is a whiny fag but who cares

What I don't get is why Maelle can't just gommage Verso so he stops his bitching and then continue living in the painting

her burns down there are grooved for your pleasure ig

man that little blur they put around the names is kinda ugly isn't it?
anyway painted alicia is cute, cuter than real burned alicia actually. but why is she monochrome?

because the ending shows that
verso has hesitations performing, maille has her paintress powers explicitly shown and then verso begins playing.
maille creates a hyper realized world she wants to live in. She doesnt want any amount of grief or pain, which you cant tell by even gustave being brought back.
She refuses to deal with the pain. Idk who the little boy was though

Her eyes were just showing that she is being consumed by the painting like her mother

She doesn't control Verso's actions and I don't see any reason she can't mercy gommage him

the painted versions of the actually real characters have distinct coloration patterns showing them to be different than their original counterparts. Verso says that he would have pure white hair if he didnt go out of his way to look how he wanted. Renoir does similar things.

I kinda assume they all may by default be monochrome and add the color to themselves willingly, though painted alice for some reason doesn't, instead insists on wearing a mask

i also assume for rule of cool

she literally fucking forces him to play the Piano when he wants to fucking die.

they are fully in a Child God situation where Maelle is going to make them all be happy and her friend and do as she wants till she literally dies.

i dont think her being consumed by her powers and her also abusing her powers as i described are mutually exclusive.
I would argue that maille bringing back verso after his gomague also further shows she is just wanted to create a reality that is for her. When verso is initially fading away, she said she just wanted a life where she could be with her brother again, while verso kept insisting he doesnt want this life.

I really feel like they are telling you that maille has taken obsessive control of this reality, and at the very least verso does not have free will

She's not forcing him to do shit. Also she could gommage him I'm assuming.

I don't see why the ending would push this power fantasy Maelle angle considering she has always been humble and even in the ending, she saved her friends and their families and the only miserable one is Verso, who is always a whiny crying fag.

Now why she doesn't gommage Verso, Idk, maybe she can't, maybe she thinks him leaving in misery is better than never existing, maybe it's for selfish desires as it's the only remaining element of her brother, but either way, I'm not getting power trip out of the ending, moreso escapism gone too far and it will eventually kill her, but I she can leave at any time and repaint her friends later as well

aline's version of Verso (playable character) is selfish, just like her version of Renoir. Gustave (maelle's verso) is very selfless. We never see the real Verso, only a fragment of his soul forced to paint for the addictions of others.

No one there has free will

Why do retards keep spouting this bullshit? The ending does not elaborate on this at all

I mean its his world, its his painting, its his Soul that powers the whole thing.

imagine knowing your dead, and your family use the last little bit of your soul to tear each other apart, and you are stuck in an eternal fantasy world until they get their shit together.

he has every right to be selfish, everyone in his painting given life to live out some weird shit for his family are sadly collateral .

was gustave actually explicitly stated to be maille's verso? i must have missed that

Why are you acting like Maelle is running some power hungry dictatorship? Verso is a whiny fag but who cares

Makes it easier to sell "MAELLE BAD", even though she has no dictatorship and cannot make anyone do anything against their will as it is an established fact he is not powerful enough to paint over someone else's "painting" and bend them to her will like Clea.

But hey. This go-to headcanon makes Versofags feel better about genocide and making Alicia live life as a mime and hot potato because "muh escapism."

Verso needs to quit being a whiny faggot. Maelle is in the right.

Verso wanted to kill everyone and destroy the painting solely because him dying is more important than anything else. He is just a self-centered selfish slimeball. Remember he also let Gustave die just to groom Maelle

clears

she doesn't gommage him because he wants it, she's a angry little shit to him the entire game, and if you go with her, she gives in to her petty feelings she has towards Verso, namely, his death was this big important thing, and she was completely sidelined over him, she has an unspoken grudge over this, and now she can make the beloved dead brother dance and play.

no but it seems like the obvious intention given the nature of the writing and the playing with reality in the painting.

anon, are you fucking retarded
it was even in the post

verso is dying, saying i do not want to live this life over and over

maille says she just wants to keep continue living this life with her brother

ending shows verso alive again, playing the piano after maille uses her paint powers

its explicitly shown to you. the other fake people are fine going along with it im sure, but verso absolutely does not have free will in this ending

Verso literally died burning

Pretty sure it's said somewhere painted Verso is almost identical to real Verso

No, he's just the painted version. The real version is just a tiny husk of his soul and is the small boy painting

sort of, why the fuck do you think they share a weapon pool.

who the fuck couldn't see it that way? They even look similar. Everything in the painting is make believe from people who can shape reality.

Good, it's a small price to pay for letting Gustave die

I killed Verso with Gustave's Homage, and now he can be tortured husk for all of eternity for his sins while Gustave and Sophia live happily ever after

escaping real life issues and tragedies and pretending they never happened is also bad

the big issue is that the endings only deal in extremes. some times escaping from reality can be good, but maille's version of it is not good. it becomes obsessive

that went thru more pain than her

anybody that played this shitty game

nah he's right to be selfish, its his fuckin soul they are using to do all this shit with.

Gustave isn't real, anon.

No it's not nigga, Verso is just a painted version. He wants the boy to stop painting so he can destroy the canvas, not because it's him

Jennifer English mogged by Devora Wilde twice

Brutal.

Could be Renoir or a mix of Verso and Renoir

they looked similar, but idk i dont know if its exactly obvious if this actually is whats going on. it would seems strange that maille would only have one painted person.

Except he has real thoughts, feelings, emotions, pains, etc.

the nepotism is insane, never pay vas

Damn, graphics are getting crazy good.

So do lobsters

Gustave is a totally separate person, the carryover is purely for gameplay reasons

That was easy

Not in the same way, but if I became a lobster and made a bunch of close lobster friends and had years of experiences and memories with these lobsters, I wouldn't just fucking kill them because "lol dey lobsters!!'

AHHH HELP MY HAIR IS PIXEL ARTEFACTS

AHHHHH UNREAL ENGINE AHHHH

yea, all because he's powered by a human soul and paint magic, a human soul that, mind you, wants to die.

its not Verso's fault they put abunch of painted people into his soul canvas.

how about if your lobster friends only exist because of a boy's soul thats wrenched from his now dead fucking corpse.

Verso is a painted version. The soul of REAL Verso doesn't want to die or want to live, it's basically just an emotionless life essence

That's a great lobster hypothetical ngl

Easy.

VN characters tend to have much more challenging fates. See Okabe from Steins Gate

playing the piano after maille uses her paint powers

She is not using her "paint powers." She cannot control him. Read. Read. READ. The jump scare is about "muh evil maelle", but showcasing her inevitable death in the canvas Verso warned her about. The same "living corpse" visage he saw of Aline which Renoir showed to the party. Holy shit.

Painted Verso is effectively the biggest patron for Verso there is, he knows things only Verso knows, he's EFFECTIVELY a slightly altered Verso.

I think he has the final say on this since Boy Verso is effectively a fucking invalid because so little of him is left.

painting your dead brother into his own soul canvas and making him live forever in some weird Alice in Wonderland unreality is a weirdly cruel thing to ask of someone you supposedly love, and then using OTHER painted people and their painted civilization as justification to keep the giant fucking circus going is just post hoc bullshit.

post achievements and playtime

sure, the game seems intentionally vague on this point, no one in the game says Verso and Gustave look very similar (even though they clearly do) while also explicitly saying Maelle looks similar to Alysia. Given painters powers, it isn't that far of a stretch to think Maelle made Gustave unconsciously in the image of her memory of Verso.

is about "muh evil maelle"

*is not

if she simply made Gustave (he was born in the painting and not of the original cast of painted people) that just further highlights the unreality of these people and their lives.

sure they think and feel and love.. but if their birth can be crafted in such a way, they are hardly as real as people discussing the game think.

It's not construed as cruel, it's just how the process of creating a canvas works, and it just so happened he died in the process of the painting.

If anything, it could be viewed as a sort of memento, the last real piece of him. But I don't think it's causing him pain, or at least nothing in the game pointed towards that.

Painted Verso is in pain because he was created as part of basically a puppet family to comfort Aline, and he can't die and has been roaming this world for over 100 years and is ready to check out. Again, he wants to die for selfish reasons, he doesn't give a damn about the family or irl or real Verso, it's all just lip service to get them to destroy the canvas and/or kill him

which is PERFECTLY FUCKING REASONABLE FOR HIM TO WANT

he's NOT real, and he KNOWS he isn't real, and his existence is complete suffering for him, he doesn't LIKE the painted world and its unreality because he "knows" about reality, and how he died ect ect.

he isn't "being real selfish" for him, existence is a complete and total nightmare and he has zero desire to play family councilor for these faggots, which they all desperately want him to participate in.

I know this, if a 2nd version of myself gets put into some shithole painting I made while I was dying, I would be fucking deadset on destroying it, and myself, purely out of obstinance, spite and anger at my half-life existence.

cope. Gustave is the older brother Maelle wanted while real Verso was playing in his painting with Clea.

he doesn't give a damn about the family or irl or real Verso, it's all just lip service to get them to destroy the canvas and/or kill him

Is there a reason this eludes Versofags? This faggot literally told Alicia

"lol you can paint. you don't have to live a shitty life if you don't want to lmao"

- literally telling her to go fuck off into another canvas if she hates her real life so much. Just not HIS canvas so that he can finally fucking die. That's all he really cares about. If he gave a shit about the Dessendre's family's grief, he'd never advocate for that.

almost as good as OP

he doesn't have to care, they made him for their little sob party, he doesn't want to be apart of it, and nor does he have to.

if Gustave is real like people say, so is Painted Verso, and his wish is to finally fucking die.

Entire point for her was Verso. She can go and live in any other canvas

idk why renoir and aline decided to just fuck with the fake people of lumiere

Aline was not doing anything. Clea (with the Nevrons) and Renoir were killing the people of Lumiere to negate Chroma to Aline to weaken her,

Okabe is just an annoying bitch and undoing Dmails is not challenging.

Watch all the Versofags completely ignore your post.

sort of my point. The world is magical. There are so many things that seem intentionally absent that are beyond oversight. There is dialogue in the game about extensive greenhouses and farmland making food for the city yet these are clearly not in the painting. Verso's favorite restaurant is still there ... but is now has a different name.

goddamn that alicia vs. maelle duel was kino. So fucking good

Idk who the little boy was though

Ciel's unborn child.

That wouldn't be possible since Gustave was already around before Alicia entered the painting

Wasn't it more than just that? Didn't it take getting motivation from his future self in SG Zero to finally be on the right track?

There weren’t 100 expeditions and Renoir was fucking with Aline’s creations specifically, because they’re the ones with her chroma

was he? did Maelle repaint someone to be the Verso she always wanted as an older brother?

Too bad nigga, get over it. You literally live in a fantastical painting, stop bitching. Maelle will uncuck you when she gets bored of you

He has history with other characters in Lumiere, the explanation for those relationships would be contrived and not alluded to if we take that scenario.

Gustave is Aline’s creation(she was paiting the babies to not just og lumierians). So his similarities with Verso and Renoir can be explained with that

Then why verso hesitate for so long until that happened
Why is verso alive again after wishing to be gone if not for maille
The verso playing piano very clearly shows restraint and unwillingness to perform, he hesitates a lot

My dad slipped on some stairs and broke eight of his ribs this week :(

except he doesn't live, its not real for him, and he can't die.

Why did Alan Wake did this to her, bros?

history with other characters in Lumiere

anon this is fiction, not a fucking history book. Clearly painter's can rewrite reality in the painting. Gustave was a random npc and Maelle's unconscious plucked him out to be her older brother.

Then why verso hesitate for so long until that happened

Because he doesn't want to play the fucking piano and is playing (living) against his wishes. The entire scene is to showcase is that even Verso's dream and the concert they spoke about is not a reason to make him smile.

Aline is sexy

imagine getting head from that faceless version, I bet she succ hard

Name a character that went thru more pain than her. I'll wait

We are NOT getting turned on by old women you faggot.

He feels all emotions of a living person. Only difference is he lives in a literal fantasy painting instead of the soul crushing reality wagecage

Regardless Maelle and all her painted friends > one whiny faggot's feelings

Sounds like he lacks free will hmmmmmmm....

He feels all emotions of a living person

does he? or does he just have the feelings painted onto him by real verso's dying soul? You zoomers and your addition to escapism, heh

I think people who dislike Verso so much lack any ability to empathize with others, especially others that want things contrary to what they, or people they align with want.

Verso knows he's not real, he knows the people around him aren't real either, he befriends them but any time he consciously thinks about it, he realizes he's actually a dead boy, and they are just painted people.

existence like this would be eternal suffering.

Can we all just be honest that the moment the OG Maelle dies, the Maelle with Alicia's consciousness is WAY more into Verso to the point it really did feel like an anime with the incest?

It's almost like they tacked on him fucking other women to guise out the clear attraction Maelicia starts to show him which he is also clearly uncomfortable with.

He literally wants the entire painting and everyone in it to die because he's a whiny depressed faggot. He lies and manipulates people and will destroy everything just to kill himself.

You watch too much porn, i didnt feel that at all

For those that come after.

I love how all of his attack voice lines broadcast this.

Aline painted fake Verso, moron.

yes, and he has every right to do so.

its a world crafted from his fucking soul.

but who maintains him (retard)? Aline after she is forced out of the painting?

its a world crafted from his fucking soul.

Painted Verso=/=fragment of child Verso's soul. He is a fucking painted construct like everyone else in the canvas and evokes no higher authority to decide everyone's fate.

No, it's not you fucking faggot. It's crafted from dead real Verso's soul, of which he feels no pain or sentience, it's just how the process of creating a canvas works.

Verso is just a painted person like Gustave or Lune or any random NPC. The only difference is he was painted with a ton of chroma so is basically invincible/immune to the yearly gommage

Maelle can’t even say “Clea is hunting the writers responsible for Verso’s death” she instead says “Clea is hunting the writers responsible for… the fire”

She’s not reached acceptance

No one needs to "maintain" him. No more than Aline maintains any other created NPC. Painted Verso is no more relevant than a Lumiere NPC, just with his invincibility

or maybe Verso's soul is the one that keeps things going after they are painted. And the one who suffers forever because of the addictions of others.

No, it doesn't. Nothing in the game suggests that in the slightest. Verso was created in the image of real Verso but is wholly separate, removed, and unrelated to real Verso or his soul; he is no more connected than any random NPC in Lumiere.

A lot of people apparently think Verso in painting is the real Verso like Maelle is, but that's not how it works. He is a painted character like everyone else, and his opinions don't overrule Maelle, her friends, and the thousands in Lumiere

do Maelle's sidequest

she gommages painted Alicia, not giving a shit about Verso

Verso mad as fuck and complains that Maelle made that decision without thinking about his feelings, despite how in the ending he disregards everyone's feelings to erase the painting

Maelle justifies it by saying she was respecting Alicia's wishes, despite how in the ending she refuses to respect Verso's wishes to die

They really are all hypocrites

OMG WHO IS THAT GIRL ON THE RIGHT

Ludger had a hard life.

But that's not true. His desire to end his existence is only 1 of his motivations. He is also motivated by the desire to stop seeing his selfish mother and sister destroying themselves. A 3rd motivation is seeing his family treat the people of the canvas as mere objects, destroying their lives, and using them for their own selfish gratification. At the end the people of the canvas had already been destroyed, and with Alicia being a selfish cunt it was only a matter of time before either Aline, Renoir, or Clea showed back up and caused chaos once again. Aline would not tolerate Alicia turning the canvas into her feel good playground instead of a shrine to Verso, Renoir would be driven by saving his living family, and Clea would be pissed that Alicia and Aline keep ignoring the real world.

Alicia sees the painting only as a means to make her feel better about herself, she doesn't actually care about the people of the canvas. Aline sees the painting only as how it allows her to keep the last piece of Verso alive, but she also doesn't care about the people beyond that they are what Verso created, and she doesn't care that Verso, the real last piece of Verso, deserves to rest.

Verso, on the other hand, is tired of it all. He is tired of the people of the canvas having their lives upended up by a people who are happy to see them erased because, "They are just paintings, we can just bring them back," but if you didn't get it with Noco, those who come back aren't the same. Verso also knows just how much the real piece of Verso just wants to to stop, he never wanted to be a painter, he wanted to be a musician. The painting is not a work of love by Verso, it is a labour that was forced on him by a family that he cares about, but that ultimately didn't actually care about him so much as their legacy, until he was gone and it was too late.

The people of the painting are unfortunate victims, and false Verso knows it, but the family already killed them.

me

karens aren't exclusive to america

He is also motivated by the desire to stop seeing his selfish mother and sister destroying themselves. A 3rd motivation is seeing his family treat the people of the canvas as mere objects, destroying their lives, and using them for their own selfish gratification.

Dude, no, he DOES NOT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THAT BECAUSE HE'S NOT FUCKING VERSO, HE IS A PAINTED CHARACTER.

his family

He doesn't have a family, he is a painted character, unless you mean Alicia (the masked one) and painted Renoir

the right is a custom character when i hit randomize.

He is also motivated by the desire to stop seeing his selfish mother and sister destroying themselves.

Is that the reason he encourages Maelle to paint another life if she doesn't want to live in her "real" one after he's secured his death?

And you missed the entire point of She Who Reaches. Alicia is better than Clea as a painter, but weaker as a person because she is selfishly self-absorbed in her own misery. That is the entire point of She Who Reaches and Renoir talking to her at the end. He is telling her she is the best of them, but she needs to stop wallowing in self-pity. But she can't, because is a weak little bitch who would rather play in a fantasy world that will always go how she wants than face reality.

He is a selfish piece of shit and his suffering in Maelle's ending is deserved

Anon I hope you find peace in your life, but my brother in Christ, you have to open your eyes. Verso's canvas cannot exist without Verso's soul painting it. You keep trying to find a technicality or a way out, but there is none. That little boy is the soul that keeps everyone lifelike and real. Yes Aline painted things in, so did Cleo, so did Maelle. So did the real Verso. And the real Verso's soul is what keeps it going. Keeps it real, keeps it alive.
Painted Verso is a non-issue for me, it only matters to Maelle-fags like you. My friends all waved goodbye to me at the end of the game, in one of the most heartwarming scenes I've had since reading East of Eden.

real Verso dies to protect her sister

Aline's Verso let Gustave dies to make sure her sister suffers

Yeah they're clearly the same! Right... not really, sorry. I believe Maelle when she says true Verso wouldn't want the painting destroyed from the way Esquie and Monoco talk about him too. It's still the best outcome to destroy it, but she's probably right, making fake Verso a very different person. They're like cousins. They look the same but they're different.

All of fake Verso's issues are uniquely his in the context of the painting. He has no care about anyone outside the painting, only insofar as it affects who they paint in as a result of it.

He doesn't care about the family healing, or whatever, he only is annoyed that he has to put up with shit when he'd rather just rope like a faggot after 100 years of boredom

Yeah, just believe the lying little bitch as she sits there and multiple times proves she can do what Clea can do.

Painted Alicia tells you why she doesn't color herself with her, "I pity those who are not but know not." She knows she is a fake, and unlike the real Alicia and fake Verso and Renoir's, doesn't have any pretensions at being something she is not; she is the only one who actually sees things as they are.

There is no "point." It is entirely irrelevant to my post. Doubly so if you are for some reason trying to use this as any grounds that she is a superior painter to Clea in the world where she "plays in a fantasy world" in the discussed ending or whatever retarded shit you're on about.

The soul thing is just the process of bringing a canvas to life. It is never suggested that it is some painful or cruel ordeal. He is dead, and that is the only remaining "piece" of him

In any case, that's not painted Verso, nor does it have any special relationship to him moreso than any other random in Lumiere

Verso wanted to kill everyone and destroy the painting

Except it was already done. Everyone was already dead. Did you miss that part? Did you miss that the only people alive at the end are the party? Did you miss the entire Noco resurrection? Those who are brought back are not actually the same.

S-she's lying because...SHE JUST IS OKAY!?

Sit the fuck down and play my music.

That's just for Gestrals, who are brought back without the need of a paintress. Lune and Sciel are brought back and act identical.

And no, having a private theater show doesn't mean every single other person died

Idk who the little boy was though

The last piece of the real Verso's soul. That is who the fading people are: the pieces of the Dessandre family souls' that have created something in the canvas. The game outright, explicitly tells you that the act of creating with painting requires a piece of the artist's soul.

maellefags act like alicia can't fuck off to another painting instead of shitting all over her dead brother's

reality vs escapism

real suffering vs imagined enjoyment

pleasure of addiction vs pain you cause others

the whole theme of the game is reality and escapism. Verso's soul is real, the canvas (and everything in it) is not. The canvas is heroin for Maelle and Aline, mainlined directly from Verso's soul. And apparently, into yours. How long does that little boy have to live to feed your addiction anon?

Did you miss the entire Noco resurrection? Those who are brought back are not actually the same.

Gestrals who are "broken"=/=Gommaging. Complete false equivalence.

That's not how it happened. Maelle had no choice on what was happening. Gustav adopted her by chance, she had a lot of other foster parents try to take her in. She was fully entrapped in as an aline creation with her memory wiped.

"We are all hypocrites, doing the same thing to each others"

or maelle (an all powerful god who lost her memory) manifested the older brother she always wanted. Painters are basically Greek gods, in all that entails.

You're focusing way, way too much on Verso's soul. That is the last "thing" affected by this, the ones are affected are the family and the characters of Lumiere. The boy painting is just made to represent the heart of the painting, with Verso trying to stop him to destroy the canvas. The fragment of the soul doesn't signify pain or consciousness, it's just how the painting process works.

You are fucked in the head

I can't empathize with verso, he's just a suicidal fifth column. I can sympathize with renoir wanting to destroy the painting.

If anything is imaginary, it's versos affection for outside Alicia. Painted Verso had an entire different life, he was a baby and grew up. He didn't find out about the connection to the painting until decades into his life.

I have no idea how you guys can construct that versos opinions and thoughts matter. When the rest of the painted don't.

if it doest play the piano

It's gets rebirthed again

Lol

The "reality vs escapism" bullshit only holds up if gaslight yourself into saying none of the inhabitants of the canvas are real or Maelle's 16 years in the world never mattered and she should just go back to being disfigured cripple who can't talk or breathe without pain because...um...um...Verso grief bad, mmakay?

Now we can grieve Expedition 33 and all your friends instead! But hey, here's a free Esquie plushie you can cry into with you one eye at night :)

Not that anon but that is literally the theme od the game.

heh, you are right hommie. All your addictions aren't addictions but under control. Feels good.

reality is better than fantasy

yup, fuck zoomers who think otherwise.

I missed the part where that's relevant aside from you wanting to elevate one shit ending over another.

Is that why you spend most your time shitposting on Anon Babble discussing fantasy and not doing anything productive?

I just beat the game and decided to commit to Maelles ending even though I could easily tell from the set up that it was the bad one. I just wanted to see it through because Gustave was my nigga and I wouldn’t him back. That being said Maelle’s ending is fucked. I know some of you are arguing over if she’s basically le fuhrer now but we all know she isn’t as powerful as Clea. Now I’m curious why a potential follow up to this game will be like. We all know Lumiere is fucking fake. And then there’s the whole real world meta plot.

Art is up to interpretation. Not shitting on you for liking the other ending. It basically comes down to your values. The "would you take an eternal happiness pill if you could" type of shit

It's gonna be a long, long time until there's a JRPG as kino as this one again. I can't stop thinking about the Paintress fight.

ez
and he has an even mire fucked up face to boot
and he deserved absolutely none of everything he went through

I didn't say I was any better. I am a burn out alcoholic, which is why I know a story about addiction better than most. See it in yourself, it's not too late.

There's more to it than just that. The people that support maelles ending don't even prefer her happiness or her dying. It's about reserving the residents. The verso arguments is all about sentience

Is it just me, or is she still extremely fuckable even with her disfigurements?

How are ya gonna be that fat when there's supposedly starving children in your 'country'?

Oh. You are actually sensible. Sorry if I came off as overly aggressive. Nah, I agree with that 110%. I have said the exact same thing here and elsewhere. I do not think either ending is "wrong" or "correct" - I just know what is "wrong" for me. I don't defend it as some lesser evil. I just don't give a fuck about the Dessendre or this hamfisted lesson on grief that was irrelevant 2/3rds of my playthrough. Not my problem. The canvas stays. Verso plays the piano.

Cute burn scars, I want to tickle them with my penis

Gustave is Simon

AHHHHH
I HAVE TO PLAY THE PIANO
I CAN'T KILL MYSELF
I'M GOING INSAAAAAANE

But Maelle's ending isn't going to maintain the canvas either.

Well fuck, that got dark quick. Hope you're doing better, anon.

It really boils down to what you see as escapism. I just can't see the canvas as that at all aside from her trying to keep Verso alive in it. She's in there for more than just him.

No, you don't understand, ALICIA HAS TO MAKE AMMENDS WITH HER HORRIBLE FAMILY AND SUFFER 70 YEARS IN THE REAL WORLD WITHOUT A VOICE AND FEELING PAIN ANY TIME SHE BREATH instead of dying inside the canvas after 70 years living a normal life.
It's all about Verso, Verso is a rat, liar and their best friends and the expedition to do his biding.

So? It's a time dilated world. All the canvas people can have full happy healthy lives (including Maelle) and then when a seething asshole destroys the painting it won't be as bad

That's fair. I have a more selfish perspective and I was absolutely with Renoir by the end. Imagine if your family just turned into vegetables in the middle of a war because they can't cope with reality. It's the necessary evil and ultimately what the game was building up to. It's a game about coping with grief and that ending gave me narrative closure why Maelle's ending implied shit is only gonna get worse

Serious question: was she in love with Gustave at the start of the game?

No. She legit called him a brother/father

would

Renoir by the end. Imagine if your family just turned into vegetables in the middle of a war because they can't cope with reality

But why should they cope with reality when they can spend 70 years in an objectively better world?

I have said before that Renoir is completely justified, and I would do the same thing as him. But I am not him and played from Maelle's perspective, and thus the canvas is real to me and therefore he can fuck off. These discussions would be a lot more smooth if we could all admit we are all selfish pieces of shit instead of downplaying our respective cruel choices to prop ourselves up.

Renoir, by watching his family suffer and be torn apart while suffering terribly himself

Because it corrupts you. Aline spent like 70 years there and didn't get any better. Renoir mentioned how bad it can be and he was glad Aline had saved him. We don't know the full extent of it but there was definitely a price to pay for staying there for too long

Because it corrupts you. Aline spent like 70 years there and didn't get any better. Renoir mentioned how bad it can be and he was glad Aline had saved him. We don't know the full extent of it but there was definitely a price to pay for staying there for too long

Whatever the price could be, I'm sure it's worth paying.

I would have no issue with people just saying they sided with renoir. Nothing about versos motivations make any sense and verso supporters about people not being sentient is retarded.

Verso is the only villain in this game.

I mean yeah but the point of discussing existential shit is to have fun or broaden your horizons and have fun. Just don't get riled up over it or else it devolves into shitflinging

I mean we just don't know. It's definitely worth it for Alice. Renoir probably has the most authority when talking about this so I take what he says at face value

Anon, this is Anon Babble. There are no broadening of horizons here. Just "Everyone who disagrees with me is retarded" ad nauseam.

are you that retarded anon who was too stupid to understand why something acting sentient doesn't mean it's sentient like with AI?

given your level of retardation, you aren't sentient either

heroin is great

many such cases

What are your qualifications for sentience? And in your scenario verso isn't sentient either, he's painted like everyone else by aline. So why do you even care what happens to him. In this scenario you only care about renoir and maelles mental health.

but Verso isn't alive. He died. She is just kindling a memory, and not even her memory because this Verso is Aline's Verso. This is what kills me, Maelle doesn't bring Gustave back even though SHE COULD. Maelle is in love with the painting, Aline's painting of Verso, on the real Verso's actual canvas. Shit is giga fucked.

But characters do point out that Maelle and Alicia look similar. The Paintress does

You'd be surprised. Had plenty of discussions where I ignored the insults and kept articulating my points well and the other anons adapted

Gustav can't be brought back he wasn't gomagged. She had to repaint him

If Alicia had a bad life, then why doesn't she just paint them on a new Canvas?

why didn't she? I feel like that was part of the Noco res subplot. She could bring Gustave back but he'd be different, Gustave but not Gustave. So she didn't and settled for Aline's version. The writing in this game is actually fucking brilliant in what they said and didn't say.

You are a clown.
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She did in her ending. It was showing she cared more about being God in a version of her perfect world.

I still side with her though, but not because I want her to be happy.

I admit it happens ever so often. It's just becoming increasingly rare, as Anon Babble in particular thrives on tribalism. I can have discussions with anons like you who don't treat their interpretation as unequivocal truth and acknowledge the flaws and merits of both endings. Like you said, it boils down to individual values more than anything. Which likely plays a strong role in why these discussions can get so personal.

This is my take away too. It'd be one thing if Maelle created her own canvas to cope with her grief, but she isn't even doing that. She's basically co-opting her dead brother's world, filled with people created by Aline, and taking over to fulfill her own fantasies. It's like 5 layers deep of being unable to cope with reality, and pretty selfish too. More than Painted Verso wanting to die, how the fuck does Verso's remaining soul feel about his creations being taken over

it's in the name

Is that Bill Murray?

I haven't been an active Anon Babble user so I can't tell honestly. I used to be a very active Anon Babble user tho which is even worse. I think that if you start a discussion in good faith you can probably get the other person to do that too. Shitflinging if fun too but you gotta pull out before you actually get mad. Getting mad on the internet is just pointless

the game really is a hard test of reality vs escapism

not export: didn't beat the game

stendahl: didn't beat the game

gommage: didn't beat the game

maelle: didn't beat the game

luminas: didn't beat the game

pictos: didn't beat the game

dodging: didn't beat the game

reminder

I'm very curious if all the people praising the story actually finished the game because the ending is kind of bad

Read the thread nigger. Very few games get this much debate about the ending. Funnily enough I think in regards to recent releases only rebirth had people talking about the story. This has people actually arguing though.

I'm talking about the shills online, not the lorefags

Definitely suffered the most, but also completely deserved.

You also forgot that you have to beat simon with these conditions or you didn't beat the game.

Needs hugs and cuddles

me cuz she not real

Everyone is a hypocrite
Nobody was objectivley correct
However the messaging is lost when there’s one obvious good ending and one that ends like a horror movie

Why does Jack Quaid look exactly like this nigga