Id Tech 8

DOOM
Say what you will about the game, but this engine fucks. Cool destruction and physics. Easily one of the best game engines right now for graphics and performance. Easily hits 60 fps on modern hardware without upscaling bullshit.
Wish more games were on this engine.

Nu doom has always and will always be better than OG doom, sorry you can't press 2 extra buttons old man

Easily hits 60 fps on modern hardware

Doom Eternal ran at 90+ on a mid-range card that was already 5 years old at the time.

when I say easily, i mean it can also surpass that just as much so

cooks

fuck off please

that looks cool

Sure, with a 5090.

It's cool they made you feel like a walking tank in this one

more like sorry you can't navigate anything slightly more complex than a corridor ending in an arena, zoomerfag

Never played a nu-doom

Last good iteration of idtech was 6. They're leaning on temporal slop and other garbage nu-tech in the new versions.
Graphics programming is in a slump right now and the dev solutions for them is chucking more TFLOPS at the problems while gaslighting their consumer base.

Now if only this was an actual doom game instead of a sequel to hovertank

You don't know how much I miss him.

this is useless and crappy gmiccik if you cant enviromental destroy enemies with that

But Doom games are well optimized

unironic usage of "gaslighting"

Right, I bet an unironic Twitter lurker has anything of value to say about technology

actual environmental destruction

With how this performans I'd better be able to blow through every wall the game has like and leave a sea of rubble behind me

Eternal and Indy look fine with AA off.
God I wish all games would offer easy console command access like idtech.

How many things does nu Doom run on, cocksuckin' youngin?

if only the enviromental destruction was implemented into the actual gameplay instead of just these details, maybe it'd justify needing a modern day card to run a game that looks nearly identical as the one ID released 6 years ago that ran perfectly fine on 12 year old cards.

But hey! At least we have forced raytracing! That the devs themselves admitted it's used just to pump out the game faster rather than to make it actually look any better. That's cool right?

Doesn't matter, the shitskins of Anon Babble will try to pretend this is bad because Eternal didn't flop like the brainlets here "predicted" it would.

Raytracing is obsolete anyway, the one they should enforce is path tracing

I still think indy would have looked just as good without going for raytraced GI bullshit and performed 3x as fast with old school rendering techniques.
It's painfully obvious when you look at some scenes with RT on and off and the off version basically gives you a shitty 64x64 cubemap for reflections and then all the RT defenders come out of the woodwork to tell you "THIS IS WHY WE NEED RAYTRACING OTHERWISE IT LOOKS LIKE SHIT"

i be looking

Whats with you Amerimutts and your love for speaking like niggers?

I still read everything he posts every few weeks or so. I don't have a twitter account so I just bookmarked a nitter.net link with his account.
I don't understand half of the shit he says but nevertheless it's always fascinating to hear him talk.

and drivers rng and your cable not melting

how is this impressive? Are doomkeks really this starved of basic features?

OP here:
I like doom eternal's gameplay but did not like the artistic and story direction. I liked 2016 much more.
I'm looking forward to Dark Ages but Im sure I'll still prefer 2016 above all.
Still I think the engine tech is cool. Probably the top 5 of the industry. I often think back to how damn good the skybox looked in the UAC Atlantica level.

The fuck are you on about, insiders have said the game runs fine even on the Deck.

They have gore destruction which quite literally is the best way to do a diagetic health bar ever in video games. If it looks shot up to shit then it's probably almost dead.

Of course their artists deserve most the credit here, but its still good implementation of art for real-time usage

Yep. He's unironically from a dying species.

2016 was a genuinely mediocre game that felt like a budget Halo clone.
Same generic aesthetics and same slow COD gameplay

You mean the same one we had in Eternal, which didn't ran like total dogshit on non upper end gpus?

techpowerup.com/review/doom-the-dark-ages-performance-benchmark/

To me, it was moreso how it handled the tone and first-person only perspective. It was just a game where the players were encouraged to not give a fuck about much more than killing. Which I respected a lot. Shame it lost its way with the sequel and that people praise eternal like it's better in every way (it's not).

This, it was normalfag AAA shit. And now history revisionism retards claim "it was always good". Once the next Doom is announced, Anon Babble will enter "acshually Eternal was always good" phase. The collective IQ of this whole board combined is barely in triple digits.

It is because it the guns and monsters look like Doom and it was way faster, even the cover of 2016 is generic sci fi shit.
Hell, 2016 is the last remnant of that era where every FPS had a studio mandated multiplayer mode to try to get some of the COD audience.

In terms of "player not giving a fuck" doom eternal is much more palatable than the first game. It ramps up very quickly (starting with a shotgun and mod, multiple big demon types show up in the first level, already have movement upgrades) and all cutscenes are instantly skippable unlike the shitty half-life esque waiting rooms from the first.

I dont agree mainly because its tone lost the horror all together. Doom at its core is a horror game, Eternal added goofy cartoon shit to it and made it silly. Not to mention there are clear examples where the artstyle was better in 2016.

Third person cutscenes were lame. Constant door opening cutscenes were lame. Everything being flashy and colorful is an overkill way to tell the player information.

2016 just had a more grounded tone to it, Its all about execution and taste.
But youre allowed to like one more than the other, keep on keeping on.

Oh, I won't talk about the game.
I can only hope that Pakistan nukes your shithole.

RTGI is the one thing that's actually good about RT.
And Indy does run smooth so long as you hit the VRAM requirements.

Nigger doom 64 and doom 3 are shitty spinoffs. You can like the doom reboot's tone but you can't go around saying "ah yes, horror, THIS is what OG doom used to be!!!" while catchy midis blare in your ears and you outgun/outrun every enemy in the game with the goofiest b-movie episode transition texts they could think of.

If theyre shitty spin offs then why is the game director constantly referencing Doom 64 and made it canon to NuDoom. They just cant pick a lane when it comes to tone. And doom 1 has plenty of moments where they cut the lights and ambush you with enemies in the dark. Its dated but it still has horror intentions.

This screenshot would've been good if not the complete absolute total literal lack of any color.
And no, Eternal bing bing wahoo rainbow puke pinatas drop is not the colors I'm talking about, it still looks like complete mundane shit, just with less consistency than '16.

Doom had strong horror emphasis since the very beginning. Neither midis (which had plenty of atmospheric tracks) or bright colors were the problem. It's not a horror game, but it still has horror elements.

It needs more red, run Bolognese Gore.

GL renderer

post moarn man

Better? Still more colors than the whole Zoom campaign combined.

Id tech 2 > any other engine

Fact.

60fps is unacceptable for a fast paced fps. Forced meme tracing is a joke.

Obviously it's way fucking better, why the fuck would you willingly play with vanilla GL render settings.

You need more... RRRRRRED.

grounded

tone

horror

Nigger who gives a fuck? Doom is about running and shooting

Like this?

If you use a mod like Bolognese Gore you can make everything red the FUN way.

It has astrobot physics.

Wad name?

WRONG doom is about jumping and swinging and parrying and resource management and quick weapon swapping and animation cancelling and

No way fag, I'm not installing GZDoom just for some red pixels when I can have them in proper source port.

Eviternity 1.

Destruction (with damage) is in every Battlefield ever.
How is this impressive?

The marketing for this game seems pretty subdued compared to Eternal. I reckon it will underperform and a bunch of people at id will get laid off.

The joke is its not fast paced

Same shit, slaughter maps play similar in resource management, and they are the peak of Doom

Congrats on catching up to technology we had in 2011?

Bolognese Gore + Seinfeld.wad

spamming BFG at thousands of revenants is not fun or interesting gameplay, Cyriak.

Cool destruction and physics

Frostbite and Destruction 2.0 from Bad Company 2 say hello

This it'd be cool if you could could collapse one of these shacks and crush a bunch of demons inside. Otherwise what's the point?

it looks fun but the diablo+marvel crossover vibes of the most recent two have been a little meh for me. I miss when the doomguy was just a regular marine so damn hard he could go into hell and come back out ready for more.

Yes it is, you know whats not? Running around 4 IMPs.

Cyriak

spamming BFG at thousands of revenants

I believe there are sections in the game where demons are on top of them and you can shoot it down

Main thing I hate about nuDoom is just how linear and shitty the level design is. I hope they fixed that or atleast made it less linear.

There's also the reliance on constant glory kills/chainsaw for sustain that's lame. But that's a different issue.

It was just a game where the players were encouraged to not give a fuck about much more than killing.

multiple instances of you being locked in a tiny room while listening to exposition dump

Are 2016 completely derailed or what

still less exposition than eternal. jesus fuck, theres two levels of just constant, nonstop exposition in your ear

running around in a maze is peak gaming

Maybe if you're a mouse.

still less

unskippable exposition dumps in 2016 good

free movement and being able to skip almost every cutscene in eternal is bad

Ok retard

still less exposition than eternal

That depends on if you are willing to skip cutscenes in Eternal or not.
Which thankfully there's only one instance in the entire game you can't, and it's by far the worst scene because it's trying to make me think that I could ever care about Vega being sky daddy 2.0.

pretty sure it was just 2 instances.
though it's still dumb and out of place considering that it tried to sell itself as a game where you don't have to give a shit about the story

Nu doom has always and will always be better than OG doom

Kek, that's a very low effort bait, but I laughed, so have a (you)

takes like 3 cokes just to make a single BTU

i hope he isn't drinking like 10 a day he's going to get cancer or something.

you can... le break things!!???! oh my science, look at those physics!!!

It's been an old gimmick since Half-Life 2 came out, you retarded zoomer

2016 was a genuinely mediocre game

Yeah and it's really funny how it's still better than adhd zoom cringeternal

you either have never played original Doom games or are clinically retarded if you consider their levels to be "mazes"

Indy (and going off of youtube, Dark Ages) get mogged visually by basically every ue5 title or old game with pt modded in.
It runs well because it's build around mid range specs from like 6/7 years ago.

No it's not, Eternal is faster, has a horde mode, the guns and monsters actually look like Doom. You Anon Babbleedditors just cant play anything fast because you only play gacha shit and slop like Palworld

Cyriak

Stop talking shit about one of the most talented doom wad creators

you retarded zoomer

You have to realize that there's a whole ass generation of gamers, young and old, that just started playing games in the mid-'10s. They've never seen destructible environments and they don't know about games like Red Faction: Guerrilla. Yes, we live in a time where destructible things just don't exist in AAA games anymore, so of course this shit is like a revelation to them

Why do you need two extra buttons to kill one enemy when you can just use one click? goddamn you zoomers are so fucking retarded, it's unreal

He's working on AGI now, which will hopefully end us all.

you only play gacha shit and slop like Palworld

I don't. It's funny how it's actually zoom cringeternal fans who love this and pokemons (games for children)

I think you did your math wrong. You would need to cool down several truckloads of cokes to keep an apartment warm at .3 btu per can

They love OSU and Fortnite, where players shit bricks (they literally build fucking syscrapers by pressing multiple buttons) as soon as they hear a gunshot. Of course they love adhd zoom cringeternal too

the game runs like shit, requires upscaling and doesn't even look better than the last one they released years ago
Game optimization is dead

eternalfags were pokemon fans all along

ok that explains everything

id Tech 3 was primetime

How does that destruction improve the game?

it looks cool

Because DA SLAYA is le ultimate badass just like me now. Its so awesome that Doom finally caught up to Half Life 2 physics.

without upscaling

You're stupid. Don't make threads.

It's dishonest as fuck that they didn't mention upscaling at all in the system requirements.

it doesn't, that's why we stopped doing it after gen 7

non retard here. it's like 85 btus per 12 pack cooled from room temp to near freezing, so if you put both of them into your fridge and they took 2 hours to cool as they typically do you would end up with... 85 btu/h... but it's not infinitely efficient, in addition to the heat you pumped you also have all the power to actually turn the compressor as heat so we'll call it +50% or 128 btu/h. which in case you didn't realize already is absolutely fuck-nothing.

How does texture mapping improve the game?

upscaling

It's really funny how nvidia used to pay game developers to use their shaders or physx or rtx, but now they just pay them not to optimize games. Free money basically. Just, like, dude, make your game run at 20 fps without upscaling by doing no optimization whatsoever and then just enable fake frames and ugly upscaling and voila, you have 60 fps now!
Bizzare

more energy efficiently

I don't care, I want it to get warmer faster, not how much energy it consumes, the fridge won't warm the room.

The real answer is creating a more immersive environment. The more is simulated, the more it feels like it makes sense and is believable. I mean why even have any graphics at all? Why not just have cuboids for enemies?

false equivalence

Textures help to orient the player and more immediately recognize landmarks.

Games are not simulations, they're games. Graphics don't add immersion, they're an artistic choice just like a board game will have graphics and a theme.
Having destructible environments that don't serve any gameplay purpose actually detracts from the game since will take away your attention from what's meaningful while providing absolutely nothing, it's the opposite of the destructive environments in DK Bananza where it's a core part of the gameplay.

I played Doom Eternal on a 960 2GB card with everything on low at 2048x1152 upscaled to 1440p and dynamic resolution scaling on on top of that. Looked like a blurry piece of shit but it did let me run it at 60fps

youtu.be/-QzzVFFT_4w?si=UoZqpwrIOqMURNd6&t=27

recommend at least two playthroughs to get the combat

What

From my own experience, I wouldn't say Eternal was any different. The game got more fun the more you played and understood the mechanics. My like 6th playthrough was by far the most fun one

I want Jensen jews to explain how ray traced hit scan and accurate burned leather particles add to gameplay or visuals.

They are simulations and games. This is a simulation of world where you can shoot guns at demons. Why do we need to show an actual gun? Because it makes it more immersive and makes it feel like you are there in that world shooting the gun that you are holding. It doesn't need reload animations, it doesn't need many of the touches that you are not complaining about but would expect to see. It adds immersiveness, it adds soul, Its there literally because it looks cool. The more of that shit the better, someone should make a shooter using the Teardown engine for example

who's the black baby incubator?

Graphics don't add immersion

Are you retarded
You are
I'm not arguing that this shit game needs physics because I hate nudoom, but your statement is retarded

The game fucking blows though so who really cares about the engine.

hasnt played it

never will play it

"game sucks though lmao shut up, I deserve a spot in the discussion"

Full Video in HD
youtu.be/z85llXUrQsc?si=TjPTTxSqANzUMH0f

Shit peeling statues they should be destroyed after firing skull gun

i thought that ui was an ai shitpost by an anon in the other thread

Niggers unironically base their opinion of a youtuber roleplaying as mayo canister

Okay so you can destroy parts of the environment… what exactly does that add to the gameplay aside from taxing the computer of resources?

destruction is a first for iD, most of their games did not have interactive environments, you couldn't even shoot monitors in their previous games

Taxing the computer's resources

lmao do you know how lightweight physics sims in games are now. Launch HL2 or gmod and spawn 100 melons. Or hell, starfield.

Enemies are littered around destructible environments. pretty simple and has gameplay ties.
Not to mention this is like saying "what do blood splatter particles add?" Its all just to make fighting in these areas feel "cooler" to the player.

It's not just about the physics objects, but how the lighting is affected by each individual piece of debris.

Ok so you could read the thread, but why bother? Why not just jump in after 3 hours and say the same thing that has been said multiple times already, with discussion about it?