Factorio

how is that inconsistent with their philosophy, i thought their philosophy was to only raise the price over time.

You don't need games to live retard. They are not a utility or a necessity, this makes them a luxury item.

I’m sure none of these reasonable individuals were in threads crying about the Switch 2’s price, the increasing cost of games as a whole, or the tariff situation. Nope, surely not. Because that would be hypocritical.

Just say you like money you disingenuous cunt

Based, they should make it cost $100 to make the entire internet loose their minds.

reminder that they rised the price from 20 bucks to 35 bucks because "inflation"
Apperently their logic doesnt count when it comes to rising their own prices.
It's literally just typical eastern europe bullshit to milk retards.

Yeah I don't care about the Switch 2, I don't play nintendo games for one and if a game is too expensive I just pirate it or don't play it. There are thousands of games to play and complaining about pricing is a waste of time. People can sell games at whatever the fuck price they want.

Just pirate retard, game has no drm

That's also not hypocrisy. The game is sold at decently steep but realistic indie game price. Even if the game were sold at 60 bucks, it would still not be hypocritical. If it goes beyond that, then we can talk.

Now, with that said, you accidentally touched on something there, because it is worth noting that the philosophy the OP is talking about is somewhat similar to Nintendo's philosophy. They barely ever do sales by modern standards. It's not that they literally don't do them, but they very rarely do them and when they do it's extremely rarely above 50% off. That's definitely part of the reason why people got even more pissed off than usual when Nintendo raised the prices even further.

are you implying that life hasn't gotten more expensive in Czechia the past 10 years?

Videogames ARE a luxury item.

thing i own has increased in value

i feel richer already

30 to 35.

You know if they were just honest and said "we want the money" I would be ok with it, but all that bullshit about hurrdurr muh devaluation and durrhurr muh early adopters paid more so it would be unfair to charge less and hurfdurf muh [industry greedy CEO marketing talking points].
Hell, it's just about the principle. If they raised the price to 60 and then discounted to 55 I would buy it instantly, but I won't support this bullshit coping and lying.

That said, I have only reached the third planet in SA and already start feeling burnt out. Is it worth going further?

we want to be hecken honest...

but we will also increase the price of our digital product because of (((((inflation)))) !!!

There's only one planet in san andreas

Hes not necessarily wrong but not necessarily right either.
Putting the game on sale while its still in active development and receiving updates is wrong, a 5%-10% off sale or something small with a big new update to bait people in can work but generally you shouldn't put it on sale.

But after development is done, the game is finished, its been finished for ages, nothing is changing, not putting it on sale just means people forget about it and never buy it who would see the sale, remember, and buy it.
I'm sure when they are finished with factorio and are trying to release a new game they will put it on sale, if not, they truly are retarded.

sure but it is ultimately up to them. If they never put it on sale who cares except poorfags too retarded to pirate?

it's fair enough. they have no intention to ever put it on sale, so they save you the time to wait for a sale

Everyone itt are hecking wholesome civilians that work for the love of the game and would give away their work for pennies after an initial successful year to people that can just get it for free elsewhere anyways. Kill all CEOs!

People can argue over whether the game "needs" to go on sale, but it stopped being relevant to me as it remains one of the very few non-Paradox games that I have actually pirated. It was easy to pirate and retained the ability to host and play with friends. In addition, pirating the game let me avoid extremely strange and petty shit like wondering why the devs go on here about how sales penalize people for not researching and buying within specific windows yet announce periodic price increases here which would do nothing but penalize people for not researching and buying within specific windows. It also let me dodge the fucking faggot bullet of a dev debating that a high game price (and rising price) is necessary for future development while charging the exact same cost of the game for those updates he is supposedly charging high prices to maintain in the first place.

The dev is a huge fucking faggot and their business model is one continuous double standard, but I won't speak out against him anywhere but here solely because he makes penis tuckers seethe like you wouldn't believe.

I paid 60 Euros for Baldur's Gate 3. My perceived value of the game was around that price. It was on some slight sale. I would not pay 80 Euros for Baldur's Gate 3. I am not willing to pay more than 250 Euros for Nintendo Switch 2 as that's my perceived value of the product.

this is literally the first game i've bought in over 10 years and even then i only did it after like 400 hours of pirated playtime
i do not care, well worth my dollarydoos

The game is free thobeit.

Imagine being poor AND a paypig at the same time. The lowest of the low.

Literally just work any job two hours.

If they raised the price to 60 and then discounted to 55 I would buy it instantly,

I'm glad they don't.

Buying games only when they're on sale is literal cuckoldry

Ideally you'd see a game you want, and just buy it. If you don't have money, or just don't care, then pirate instead.

Discounts are not pro-consumer, they exist to psychologically entrap people in the mindset that less is always more. That's how you end up buying 5 packs of shit you don't need at the store, because "lmao buy 2 get 3 free"

Notice as well that women love sales more than men do. They have coupon fetishes. They like daddy corporations telling them what they can spend money on guilt-free

no

okay. I shall not buy, then

*spends money on a different game*

I.just saw this exact post in a thread asking about a sale. You sound like a faggot.

Is there a factorio mod or in game way of determine the ample amount of supplies for results?
Like if am building 4 auto crafts that are all making gears, what's the best way to determine the exact amount of iron miners/furnaces to have a constant supply?

Factorio is good and worth its price
Tendieslop is bad and should be significantly cheaper

Since it depends on many factors, like tech level, modules if applicable and in Space Age quality, you are supposed to calculate it for yourself.
That said, if you're not autistic, just build shit until the input belt is full.

Unless you live in China then that's like what 16 hours?

no dev is obligated under any circumstances, ever, to put their game on sale for you. lmao you fucking retarded dipshit, you piece of trash

exact amount of iron miners/furnaces

Estimate how many you need, then double it, then double it again. Then go back later and build even more because you always need more.

Helmod

I've never seen this idea that promotions are anti-consumer practices before, in any area of commerce, in any culture, at any time. The only problem you might have is someone buying a game for $30, for example, and the next day it goes on sale for $5. That person will probably feel a bit wronged, but it's the kind of thing that if it really bothers you, will make you never buy anything at full price in the first place.
That comparison with promotion and psychological practices for making the price seem lower than it is, is pure rationalization, and is usually done by people who are trying to invent a noble motive for something that isn't really noble. And the fact that the original dev said he thinks promotions aren't good in the long run kind of gives away that his view is purely economic and not ethical, and that he thinks it's not worth selling his product cheaper so as not to exhaust potential consumers and reduce the money he can make, because apparently he wants to live off the same game all his life instead of using the resources to build new experiences.

They're acting like somekind of elder god is manipulating your ass to buy games on sale.

Yeah. The Jewish one.

There's a lot of different factors that can go into supply and demand, but you can look at the throughput on the info screen when you hover over a machine, and then calculate it from that.

no consumer is obligated under any circumstances, ever, to buy a game at a pricepoint too high for them. lmao you fucking retarded dipshit, you piece of trash

Isn't it drm free? If you can't afford it, just pirate it.

That's true. Nobody is obligated to buy it. You absolute fucking drooling retard.

It's clearly not economically advantageous or you'd see this kind of behavior everywhere. As for sales, they make more sense ethically for goods that lose value over time, or just need to be cleared because they take up physical space. But for a digital product that has arguably only gained value over time, putting it on sale is purely a trick to get people who otherwise wouldn't be interested in the game to purchase it.

That is the most retarded reason for a game price I've ever seen. Just you say you don't want to the lower the price because money and be done with it.

the only DRM is that you can't download mods from the official site if you don't have a valid purchase. The only reason you'd ever "have" to pay for the game is if you
1. want to give the devs money
2. you've played the base game so much you need mods to stay entertained
3. you're too retarded to pirate

Even if you're a giga-autist who only measures game quality in dollar per hour played, if factorio doesn't btfo other games in value despite the price it's probably just not your kind of game. You can even pirate it easily if you're an omega poorfag or that's just your style (of pretending to not be an omega poorfag). I'm not judging, I used to be omegapoor too.

I literally don't know where the fuck else I'd have gotten that many hours of autismal bliss with just 35 dollars. I'm not telling you that you should buy it, in fact if you gotta ask whether it's worth it, it's probably not.

Okay then
Enjoy not having my money, you braindead kike

Hey dev when's the next sale?

Wow you really owned the imaginary developer that is hurt and poor because you believe they want your 5 bucks

no dev is obligated under any circumstances, ever

well then I will just pirate the game since the faggot dev has to act up like a bitch

Inflation isn't real. Make things cheaper or I will simply pirate them.

satsifactory is way higher value and it's on sale

If you have a product that never goes stale and you have an infinite supply of it, then buying shit when its NOT on sale is basically stupid tax.
This way, its much more honest.
I WISH software was sold with the same type of mentality, im fucking tired of the whole "You dont own anything" shit murricans are trying to spread everywhere in the world.
Cant buy shit even at premium anymore, even if you wanted to. All you get is "license to use" and monthly subscriptions

If youre a thirdie just pirate shit if you cant afford it, who gives a shit

putting it on sale is purely a trick to get people who otherwise wouldn't be interested in the game to purchase it.

What's wrong with that though?

Wow you really owned the imaginary consumer that is hurt because you believe theyre upset theyre not playing your game

That's nice and all but I can easily pirate it at any point. So it's up to you, the developer, to convince me to give you any money at all.

THEN WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS THREAD YOU BUFOON

it's worth the money
you aren't entitled to anything
fuck you
build a cool factory

It doesn't but most things go on sale after being old . Even Nintendo puts their mainline games on 20% sale (botw, Mario Odyssey, kart, smash bros, etc)

It's clearly not economically advantageous or you'd see this kind of behavior everywhere.

Well, it makes sense in the guy's head, he said that.
And perhaps it makes sense in rare cases where you have a high-quality niche game with nothing similar to compete against, and where you're in a scenario where you intend to live off that game all your life rather than trying to promote your work and brand to make more profit on future releases.

But for a digital product that has arguably only gained value over time, putting it on sale is purely a trick to get people who otherwise wouldn't be interested in the game to purchase it.

The value of things is how much people are willing to pay for it, and digital games are no exception to the idea that people tend to consider a new release to be more valuable than a release from 10 years ago. There are various reasons for this, many of them subjective, but in general, if the game doesn't receive an update that considerably reshapes the experience (such as the addition of an online multiplayer component), the tendency is for time to erode people's perception of its value.
What publishers do is either lower the price of the game permanently, or make it go on increasingly generous sales, which in practice is the same thing.

Your game is either good and you are financially stable without having a sale, or it isn't.
But releasing a shitty cashgrab dlc not as just a patch tells me a different story

You could pirate it if it went on sale, too.

It's really quite simple
The devs are pretending to care about consumers and using jewtongue to dance around the fact they just want to milk as much out of their consumerbase as possible. People are pointing out that this is retarded since there are people who will NEVER buy the game at full price to begin with, so you are literally leaving money on the table by not lowering it temporarily for a sale. Players who bought it at full price are not losing anything or having their "game devalued" by this. They dont care. They dont care at all. Just like a potential buyer who would have boughted the game at 50% off is not going to care if they don't do that sale. He's not going to care because he's not going to spend his money on it. Games are not a necessity. No one NEEDS to play factario. The price of the game may be determined by the devs. The value of the game is in the hands of the buyer.
The devs are jews not because theyre not doing sales, but because theyre pretending like theyre pro-consumer and heckin cool and awesome because of it. The truth is that they're pro-money, and theyre retarded because they are not making as much money as they can. That is the point of this thread

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luxury product.

Not even, the cost is below industry standard

I paid like 20 usd for the game

you would know, fagboy

Thirdwolder seethe threads over factorio's price are one of Anon Babble's few absolute constants. I find it strangely comforting every time I see one.

Poor people cope by hoarding

Yeah, I have spent hundreds of hours with the game, and even paying a hundred bucks wouldn't even make a dent into my budget, but the dev's kikery, as discussed in this thread, makes me not want to give him money. And if piracy actually did hurt sales, I would be glad that everytime I fired this thing up this retard were losing money because of his retarded decision.

But they do say they don't want to lower the price because they want more money long term. What's wrong with that?

Frankly, $35 is an extemely reasonable price as is.

What kikery? The refusal to arbitrarily put it on sale? They're being very honest and not swindling anybody or murdering any babies

They're being very honest

No they're not. If they were being honest they would say "it's about the money", but instead they are trying to come up with all kinds of corpo bullshit speak justifying their kikery, and that is what rubs me the wrong way.

If they were honest and say "it's about the money" you would shit on them all the same for being "greedy jews".

Oh, so you agree they're not being honest?

You HAVE to discount the price of your game because..... Uhhhhh.... Well...... Because.... Well...... Pretty please!!!!

it's actually Jewish for a merchant to charge exactly what he thinks something is worth rather than charging twice what it's worth for 85% of the year and some times lowering the price to less than that

No, but I do agree you're poor.

have no arguments

U POR!

Wow, good job. Keep coping.

They tried to make it some pro consumer moral issue when its blatantly not.

Maybe they don't want accidental people buying the game because it's on sale? Or because this is minimal price, since they do updates for free? They already have regional prices.

here's your sale, "bro"

also factory planner

but most things go on sale after being old

but it's the same video game, in fact it has even more content every passing day.

Anything nonessential is a luxury.

Charging a fixed price once for a game isn’t really milking bro.

4. you want to upload mods (my case)

This makes sense for an online game where you don't want retarded tourists flooding your servers but here it's just retarded

you've played the base game so much you need mods to stay entertained

you can download mods for free

I'm gonna eat a luxry twinkie later while I use my luxury hammer on my luxury nails to build my luxury chair so I stop sitting on my luxury floor

Sale pricing logic

estimate your ideal return for each unit sold

set default price to double or triple that

occasionally put on sale

I forgot this board is filled with third worlders. Go find food or something, poorfags. No one wants to engage with low IQ subhumans online

if they wanted to milk players, they'd shit out dlcs like rimworld dev do
instead they always improve the game for free, stay in touch with players and modders
actually the best developers in our timeline

now that's just stupid

they'd shit out dlcs like rimworld dev do

But they already did. They literally "hired" (aka told them to work for free) some retarded mod to make a medicore space dlc

That's my problem with the dev. When I was checking out the game to buy it I saw 2 price increases in the span of a couple of months. I just pirated instead since I knew the devs are retards about sales

Just say you're a jew dev and shut the fuck up. No need to come up with more mental gymnastics. It's not like anyone's buying it

Not putting the game on sale is fine. Increasing the price after they finished the game, that's what they deserve to be shot for.

"hired" (aka told them to work for free)

retard
it's mentioned rimworld dev actually rips off other modders work without even mentioning

medicore space dlc

this "mediocre" dlc has twice as much (if not more) assets than the original game, is optional and does not break mods support

He doesn't want the game. He wants to seethe about the game.

rate calculator is the easiest, just select the buildings and you get all the numbers. select the entire supply chain and you'll have a nice quick overview.

The only problem you might have is someone buying a game for $30, for example, and the next day it goes on sale for $5

even then, steam has that listed as a valid reason for requesting a refund

Factorio has bigger problems than a discount. Earendel that fucking faggot is ruining the expansion and it was prematurely launched. They've got a ton of fixes to make to the god damn rocket system which is SHIT and un-fun to use.
People who defend all the scrapped content like the aquillo enemy should fucking drown in liquid shit, too.
The expansion is not what it could have been. Period.

see
Looks like a medicore DLC to me

The developer is a lying faggot and that's bigger than him being a jew

Because it was rushed.
Gleba was confirmed to be a jumbled mess of dogshit during the lan-party and EVERYONE complained about it but these retards REFUSED to remove the agriculture science spoiling because Earendel is a fucking tranny freak.

to me

Your game is either good and you are financially stable without having a sale, or it isn't.

Even good games are subject to diminishing value over time, so it's impossible to remain financially stable without working on new things. Not just games, but all cultural products. It's totally unrealistic to think that people will continue to want to pay the same amount for your product forever.
The spike in interest caused by the Factorio DLC doesn't seem to have changed a trend of a very slight reduction in the number of reviews the game receives on Steam with each passing month. Factorio is an excellent game, but if the devs are really thinking long term (which for a company is 30, 40 years), they're going to have to start running promotions sooner or later, either to bring the price of the game into line with its real value, or to try to attract more fans for future projects.
Or they'll simply die like the writer of a single book, or the composer of a single song.

they removed a ton of shit from gleba before release

poors think that people work to make the poor happy LOL. it's always fun to read threads like this and to read the thoughs of poors LOL.

Perhaps the sale was the base price all along.

poors think that people work to make the poor happy

of course they do
"the poor" in question being the developers, of course

They've got a ton of fixes to make to the god damn rocket system which is SHIT and un-fun to use.

All they need to do is let us launch rockets based on circuit signals and let radars transmit to other surfaces.

t but these retards REFUSED to remove the agriculture science spoiling

Yes, lets remove the only genuinely new game mechanic that mods can't replicate.

Videogames, like all entertainment, keep the normies in check. Without them people would notice how bad things are and burn down the country and ruin everything. So yes, they are nessasary human rights.

but most things go on sale after being old

that implies they lose value, factorio does not lose value.

i bought factorio and refunded it after I couldn't figure it out. I guess I have the wrong type of autism to enjoy it

bro pirate a game if you want to but don't act like you're doing the universe some objective moral good. i bought the game like 10 years ago and still "dodged" all whatever gay faggot drama you're talking about.

its ok
i am an autist too and never had interest in cars, football, demon souls or anime

I could respect his opinion on not putting the game on sale until he increased the price. He's just a greedy cunt pretending to stand on principle.

you are greedy cunts if you had any salaries increase

Third worlders can’t comprehend this.

L+Ratio'ed

What's dishonest about that? The inherent value of the game hasn't changed, but currencies have devalued since.

we dont like sales because it isn't honest to our customers. everyone should be able to buy it at the same price, any time!

we're raising our prices sorry fellas, better buy now or else

It's not a mechanic it's a fucking chore.

Just overproduce! LOL!

It's not hard!

Nobody said it was hard It's fucking stupid is what it is
At Fulgora and Vulcanus have actual mechanics and so does Aquillo despite it the fact it feels like a shitty seablock knock off and was as unfinished as the rocket launching for space age.

Why are the devs "philosophy" so retarded and hypocritical?

ESL cries about a 35 dollar price tag

lmao

adjusting for inflation when wages haven't risen equally

jej

Third worlders can only conceptualize reality as a series of isolated absolutes. It’s really quite sad.

If he was honest he'd lower the price of his game now that inflation has gone down, but he hasn't. Curious

It was like $10 in early access

it never goes back down

That would’ve easily justified bumping the price to $50

Inflation has decreased in rate, it didn't go backwards

The only thing that changes is the rate of inflation. It never reverses.

Anon...

The inherent value of the game hasn't changed

The value of a product is the price consumers are paying for it, not the quality of the product or something.

“Sale” prices are always the actual value of a product. The rest of the time you’re being overcharged 100-1000%

“Economics” is all post-hoc bullshit centered around rejecting all measures of objective value.

The only faggots complaining about this are those too retarded to pirate a DRM free video game - which also means they're not even close to the target audience and too dumb to play the game.

it’s a little deeper than that. the browns upset that things aren’t being priced for them take that as an insult. it’s a clear sign they are viewed as worthless. this is pretty much their entire identity.

retard

its a old single player game the devs wont put on sale

Just pirate it.

If you believe that, then the value is exactly what the devs sell it for at any point in time, so then you also wouldn't complain about a price hike.

They're acting like somekind of elder god is manipulating your ass to buy games on sale.

Everywhere you go on the internet you see retards and their backlogs of thousands of games they buy on sales that they never play and never will.

It’s always “on sale.” It’s always the actual value of the game. They’re never overcharging so they never have to put it “on sale” to trick people into buying it. Early access was $10 because of how little content was available at first. Now the game has 10-20 times the content and they’re still only charging $35

test

rushed

why did they do for four year then?

The game isn't finished
It's not "improving for free"
It's early access

This is 100% accurate.

t. Balkan born in an ex-communist country

Normies can't grasp their heads around sales being a scam, yet they always complain about things being overpriced.

I heard US want to cancel math in schools, but I didn't know they already started.

yes. those are all luxuries due to not being essential