Does anyone else not find any comedy in a serious plot with cartoon animals...

falls apart under very minor scrutiny

How? Give examples

How come GUN wasn't in SA1 and how come they didn't stop Eggman? Why was the ultimate life form a hedgehog fifty years before Sonic even existed?

I'd say there's no reason for Shadow to misremember Maria's dying wish but you'll point to a retcon from Sonic X that came out over 5 years later and doesn't make sense anyways as Gerald was in police custody his entire life after ARK went down and thus wouldn't have been able to reprogram Shadow's mind anyways

Gerald messed with Shadow's memories. This is stated in the Japanese version.

How? He was in jail.

"They were sent to destroy the research project that I had been working on. My colleagues at the research facility, my granddaughter, Maria. I hope you are all safe."

"The colony was completely shut down, probably to keep the prototype from falling into the wrong hands. The ARK was shut down under the premise that there had been an accident."

"I found Maria's name among those who died when the ARK was shut down."

This all implies to me that Gerald wasn't present during the ARK raid. A lot of this dialogue suggests that this is what he heard, not what he saw. He could leave the ARK as he pleased, it's not like he was bound to it the way Maria was, so he might have been out doing more research on Earth, or even on the Black Comet.

So there was a window of time where Gerald was able to tamper with both Shadow's memories (after he was recovered by GUN) and the Eclipse Cannon, and update his diary to log his plans for revenge, before GUN arrested and executed Gerald.

Shadow is based on the mural of supersonic in the Echidna temple

Gun only gave a shit about eggman once he started fucking with them

Sonic's existence was a matter of prophesy anon, this was established with 0 (zero) words several years before Sonic even went 3D

Rocket Raccoon is a household name now, so you are not alone.

You started this same thread on Anon Babble and it's just as retarded

Shadow is based on the mural of supersonic in the Echidna temple

Fan speculation that's never been officially stated. How would Gerald have even seen that mural? The echnidas would've still been around at this point. You really think the hostile, militaristic tribes would've been like, oh sure mysterious interloper, go ahead and have a gander at our sacred artifacts? Dumb.

Fan speculation that's never been officially stated.

It makes too much sense. The whole cannon's core area is based on their lost civilization.

It wasn't a lost civilization at the time. Knuckles is 16. No echindas 16 years prior, no Knuckles. Or are we going with the Archie bullshit of "the master emerald insists on having an echnida guardian and will just pull one from the fucking ether if none are available." Because that's dumb too and also never officially stated.

forget that, listen to this
I WANT TO FUCK ROUGE

I can take the story seriously, but the problem is that these games aged like ass. The Sonic and Shadow levels, when I was a kid I used to love them and play them over and over again. I tried playing them now and they just fucking suck. Maybe I finally got rid of the autism but I don't think that's the case because I can go back and play 1, 2, 3&k and CD just fine. I can't say the same for these games, they have shitty controls and terrible hit detection on things like the homing attack, and they're really the sort of games you're supposed to play over and over again to git gud enough to make it look like they're fun to play when they're really tedious bullshit.

The Knuckles/Rouge levels aged the best despite being my least favorite growing up.

As a kid it all went over my head. As a teen I thought it was kind of lame. As an adult I honestly think sonic going super is kino in the adventure games.

There's no evidence that Gerald used the mural from Sonic 3. It's a retarded fan theory that makes no sense because nostalgia blind fags like you try to make sense of this game's awful story.

You sound incredibly onions.

makes the same thread over and over on multiple boards for eternity

But why

Does anyone else not find any comedy in a serious plot with cartoon animals?

Or when the cartoon animals stand juxtaposed to humans?

this happens a grand total of what ONCE or TWICE in the WHOLE GAME (unless you count Eggman in which case fuck off)

Gerald explored and documented a lot of Angel Island and it's ruins and based several research projects off of them. You already have the artificial chaos and the cannon's core being an exact replica of the master emerald shrine, both things directly pointed out by characters in game and further documented in Gerald's full diary in Shadow Gens. It's all but outright stated he saw the mural and based Shadow off of it. The only reason it isn't outright confirmed is more likely because the writers don't want Shadow to effectively be a deliberate copy of Sonic in universe.

Anyone masturbate to Koji Yusa's Shadow voice?

I've heard endless stories about how people can't take Sonic

from fucking who? the internet? that doesnt count

Why is Sonic the only franchise that people constantly have to be weird about animal characters being juxtaposed next to human characters like it's the only story to ever do that.

what is the harm in fan fiction when the series itself is fiction? people take video games way to seriously. and sonic of all things christ...

unironically its autism. All the weird threads asking absurd questions on why a character does something or looks a certain way or whatever it is. Its autism. Normal people dont even vaguely care about this shit

Retroactively adding GUN to the canon breaks almost everything. Eggman's made at least 4 fucking death stars and they haven't given a shit but suddenly Shadow's too important to get out. They also really said "yes, let's throw the guy who saved Station Square from a literal RAGING GOD under the bus because we're incompetent."

I feel like I'm the only Sonic fan who just skipped all the cutscenes when I was a kid. I still don't know what even happens in these games because I don't give a shit.

So well written that the entire story isn’t even in the game and was only clarified in game recently in shadow gens

GUN only gives a shit about the events of Adventure 2 because they were responsible for the Eclipse Cannon being made, responsible for Shadow and it being their fault Eggman was able to release Shadow etc. They are literally glowies, they only care when it's their own asses on the line.

You know I'm right

The Japanese version stands on its own. It doesn't need Generations.

I don’t recall Maria’s NIDS condition or the reason Gerald started project shadow was ever stated in game.

You've already been refuted

No because you keep conveniently ignoring this part

Then you weren't paying attention. I'm not having a conversation with someone who hasn't even played the games before.

None of that refutes that Gerald could have documented the Echidna Tribe.

could have

So it's entirely fan speculation contrived to make some semblance of sense out of SA2's nonsensical plot, gotcha
Could've sworn I led with that

You know what fine, I’ll watch the fucking thing in jap but I doubt it’ll make that much a difference

Literal retard. Read There's several pieces of evidence pointing to this in SA2 and outside media. It's not just fan speculation.

How come GUN wasn't in SA1 and how come they didn't stop Eggman

GUN could have formed after, or they were too busy with their own schemes to give a shit, since they have a bad habit of working independently or even against the President.

Why was the ultimate life form a hedgehog fifty years before Sonic even existed

Because Gerald Robotnik discovered a mural on Angel Island depicting a hedgehog-like being standing against Perfect Chaos, a depiction of an "ultimate lifeform", this also predates Sonic, but the Echidna tribe presumably has Seers and shit. He assumed the larger figure was the ultimate lifeform, he realized he was wrong, but that is why Shadow's prototype is the Biolizard

I also noticed that you deleted your response to this

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