people love dark souls
people love poe
people hate poe2
What went wrong?
people love dark souls
people love poe
people hate poe2
What went wrong?
people love shitting
people love eating
why dont people like eating shit?
I love poe2
does anyone know what the vision is? everyone talks about it but nobody has explained it
Well firstly, they fucked up by releasing early access during Christmas. It's become quite clear they don't have the manpower to support both games simultaneously.
Having said that, a lot of crybabis are treating this open beta/early access as a full release. Their brains are so small that they don't understand the simple concept of EA, they just whine and demand things now. The game is very barebones at the moment...missing classes, weapon types, gems, etc. But the foundation is there for a great game. These noobs don't realize that this is exactly what PoE 1 went through. We're definitely at least 2-3 more years from a 1.0 release.
people hate poe2
nigga poe2 has higher numbers than any arpg
reddit and your favorite e-celebs are a vocal minotiry
are you retarded
Because this game has nothing to do with Dark Souls, and has nothing that people loved about PoE?
PoE was great because it allowed you to learn, master, and construct a character build that could do the ultimate ARPG feel-good fantasy, which is going fast, blasting the shit out of everything, and being showered with loot. The game was at its' highest player retention and most active when loot was plentiful and mechanics were simple. Everything else, the story, the dialogue, the leveling, etc. was all streamlined to the side in favor of that core part feeling good.
PoE2 has none of that. PoE2 is overly concerned with making sure the story and narrative get in your way as much as possible, that everything is slower and less streamlined to get through, and that loot is scarce, limited, and constantly being sinked out of your stash due to the need to spend it on even the most basic of crafting tasks.
In PoE1, if you're kind of dumb and don't learn things, you'll be trapped in the campaign without ever getting any gear upgrades because you don't know how to get loot, buy gear, or get better. In PoE2, even if you're at the fucking top tier endgame, you still feel like you're a broke idiot from PoE1.
Slower meaningful combat than poe1, with skills that combo off each other rather than spamming one skill and wiping screens. And then they added enemies that run at 300% your speed, end game mechanics that require you to kill as much shit as possible as fast as possible, and bosses that will one shot you if you don't one shot them first. In the last patch they nerfed prevalent unintended one-button screen-clearing builds, completely destroying those players characters, and introduced a new class that had a similar one skill screen-clear that 50% of people are playing above anything else.
Poe2 leveling is fun. I enjoy doing the campaign and progressing my character's power
As soon as I unlock all skill gem tiers and finish cruel act 3 I immediately lose all interest. At that point any change to mt character is going to be extremely small and I'm not going to see a difference for a very long time so I get bored of running the exact same levels over and over again. I will only ever play the campaign until they make the endgame actually fun
Main dev guy used the term "vision" in one single post and the autismos took it as a personal attack. They haven't let go of it since
I'm just going by this place and the steam forums. The general mostly refuses to talk about poe2, you will get chimped at for bringing it up
I don't know how far you've been in the endgame anon but it's actually pretty fun. There is a lot of progressing to do with atlas maps, waystone progression and really taking your build to the limit. There are also things like expeditions, breaches, etc that make it more than just monotonous chaff clearing
The devs literally don't know what they're doing, they have no plan or ideas of what works, or even really what they want from the game. They're just throwing stuff at the community and letting them figure it out.
Because ARPG mechanics and Soulslike mechanics clash badly and don't work with each other.
You can't have slow methodical combat that also requires you to screenwipe and 1-tap bosses before you get 1-tapped.
I'm exactly the same. I've played the campaign multiple times and wish it was longer, despite most people complaining its too long. Because same as you as soon as I get to the end game I lode interest. It just feels pointless spamming maps for no reason except to level up a bit more and maybe see the end game bosses. They've actually made it hard, especially for SSF, to even get to the end game bosses anyway. You have to collect 300 fragments of this and that and find citadels on the map or whatever, I can't be bothered.
I love poe2 but holy fuck do I hate the trials. The first sekhema and chaos aren't too bad but the second ones are pure utter bullshit.
sekhema
get hit 2 times to unlucky twin boss attack timing
lose instantly because of honor
chaos
have to pick 42 different instant kill mechanics to dodge
lose instantly if you get sky seer
One of them said in one the interviews they are "shooting from the hip". They are literally just throwing random numbers onto skills, seeing what happens and then nerfing or buffing them, going too far the other way usually. Which would be fine because it is an early access, but they are treating it like "leagues" where they will not make major changes frequently, but wait until a reset and then do a whole bunch at once. So something broken stays in for the whole "League", and then when a bunch of new stuff gets added, it breaks new stuff. There's still things broken from when they did they 0.2 patch. Support skills not working right, problems with trials getting hard-locked, all sorts of shit
wtf do i do with these, run em or just sell
run suns / blacks only and sell rest or
It's amazing to see how much of a player drop off PoE 2 has had.
I've played the campaign multiple times and wish it was longer
there will be 6 true acts eventually, (not the 123 then repeat we have now) check back when they release that update. although I have headr act 6 will be shorter
I just buy a carry from the trade channel
Yeah the trials are maybe the worst part of the game imo. I can't believe they did Izaro dirty and replaced the system with the current bull shit. I never enjoyed sanctum and now I definitely don't, considering the biggest source of character power is gated behind it.
Yeeah but you run the first 3 acts twice as it is, so technically its already 6 acts. It will be good when they have the 3 new acts, but it will still be the same length. They will probably cave in and makee it shorter / easier too as a lot of people moan about having to do it again each charatcer
Having said that, a lot of crybabis are treating this open beta/early access as a full release.
This is a shit take, GGG themselves are treating this as a full release in all but name. They even have named "seasons" at this point, are full steam ahead on the MTX shop, and are doing literally nothing common of a beta such as rapid balance changes. They are treating the economy and game as a whole as if it was a full release and can only be balanced in major updates every 3-4 months.
Trying to push this sentiment on the community is a bad faith argument when the fault is at the game director level and official comms from GGG
game sux
When I get a token for a trial I just wait to overlevel it by 10 levels or so. They are still total bullshit but being able to down the bosses in 10 seconds at least gives you a better chance
You're wrong tho.
True but for me the cruel difficulty is a total slog, especially if I have an idea for a different character and have to repeat the same short act 1-3 sequence twice. I'm sure they will have DLC at some point. Basically the game needs like 2 more years to be good imo
Not balancing skills mid league so you're pigeonholed to the single meta skill that clears multiple screens with a single click and also at the same time balancing the game for trade leagues so if you don't want to play a meta build you'll be so behind the curve that the game sucks ass but can't really play SSF either because loot is nonexistent.
Only subhumans hate PoE2.
my dog took a huge poe2 on the neighbour's yard
Normalfags played it. Also GGG is a bit retarded with their timelines and underestimated how fucked the game was on release.
I also don't really like all the skill being weapon-locked so much. You're not so much playing a class, you're playing a weapon. You're playing a mace character, or a crossbow character, and in each group theres acouple of skills that shine and a bunch of shit ones, so theres a limit to build variety. I've made everytype of crossbow character I can think of at this point and there's only like 3 that are decent, there's nothing else to try there aren't that many skills to start with and its pretty much got all the skills its ever going to have in that weapon
The devs became retarded. You can't use from other weapons anymore. Several things like heralds are boxed into melee only, etc.
use skills from other weapons*. I guess im retarded too
The funny thing is GGG blew off their existing customer base to pander to normies that consider this a one-and-done game and won't be back for future leagues and/or be buying any mtx. They've completely cut out their funding source by chasing a 1 time purchase and within a few months it will really bite them in the ass when tencent wants to know wtf is going on with the numbers
POE2 dead
POE dead
LE gets updated once a year
what happens now bros
one-and-done game
literally fucking EA?
I'm just gonna keep playing Diablo 2 like i have for the last 20+ years.
In a small handful of interviews, the spokesperson for the game at the time, Chris Wilson, talked about "the vision" for the game. People latched on and turned it into a meme that anything and everything wrong with the game is a part of "the visions" for the game.
There is no real vision.
But the worst part is that they don't even know what direction they want to take the game in. Many systems and changes are at odds with one another and the games (both of them) suffer massively for it.
The mouthpiece says whatever bullshit they think will placate the masses and then the developers themselves shit something out and hope it works.
Because the devs are fucking retarded. I still find it funny how before 0.1 Jony mentioned "muh meaningfull combat" every chance he got, but if youve ever played any from soft games and poo2 you will know that doesnt exist in poo2 past act 2 normal.
Heralds work on Bows and Spears.
Barrage is Bow/Spear.
There is literally only 2 melee weapons and years of development left in which they can adjust and improve things.
its nothing like Dark Souls. Its more like Diablo4 meets PoE with some improvements
theyre a LONG way from making PoE2 have meaningful Action Game Combat
It's not like Dark Souls. Devs literally lied to us but it's not like poe players care because they just wanna play their vampire survivors slot machine.
food analogy
What went wrong?
Tencent.
screenwipe and 1-tap bosses before you get 1-tapped
when did we decide this is what "ARPG" means?
Well it's twofold of blowing up the screen and putting together the pieces of the puzzle that allow you to blow up the screen more efficiently.
PoE 2 Gud, maybe even the guddest.
ggg has been using the word "vision" to explain their retarded decisions for like 15 years
PoE2 has the best boss fights out of every Isometric ARPG ever made
Very gud
mostly negative reviews reviews on steam and every forum related to the game has been in meltdown mode for like a month straight but sure there are a lot of trade bots playing it so everyone must secretly love it right
The devs don't know either and that's the issue. They're trying to make two games into one, except that those two games have antithetical game design philosophies and thus, merging them is a disaster.
Only "meltdown" is in your head lil bro.
Nobody wants something that tries to be both diablo like and souls like.
No Rest for the Wicked is unironically far better than this garbage and nobody likes it: the only reason PoE2 has any following is that it coasts on the success of the pre-Vision era.
basically the concept of "dis be a hardcur gayme for hardcur gays!".
Becomes the excuse for poor balance, heavyhanded nerfing, spitting on the player, things that literally DO NOT WORK on an arpg (sanctum honestly?), shitty itemization, the list goes on
t. Filtered.
Stick to PoE 1 kiddo.
please dont let me disrupt your cope, I want the game to die and your defense of its current state contributes to that so carry on
lets make a deal shall we
roll back the clock to when PoE1 had 4 leagues a year and cared more about fun than it did about pretending to be soulslop and I wont ever even look at your direction anymore
we both win
Or the players successfully gaslit the devs?
Let me guess you're memoryholing the past 3 years of retards spamming
SHOW DA ENDGAME THIS IS 2 SLOW
POE 2 SLOW ENDGAME BETTA BE FAST
FAST NOT SLOW MAKE DA GAME FAST
DA ENDGAME BETTER NOT BE SLOW JEEJEEJEE
tiny tits
this game might be the biggest failure I've ever seen
besides concord ofc
You will die before PoE does fatso, sort your life out.
sold as a release and treated by the developers as a full release. good job reading, you must be american
that's actually not possible because my life is directly fueled by hatred for jonathan and poe2
You will never be barry.