So is that really all that Expedition 33 did right? It's only good because it's not anime?

And the combat

I'm avoiding it because it's westoid aesthetics

The reverse is also true, I haven't played it yet primarily because it's not Eastern style, I also saw some out of place DEI racial-quota niggers but they're just background NPCs, and tbf Japan is forced by capitalists to do this now too

Anon Babble zoomer doesn't know Barrett

So is that really all that Expedition 33 did right? It's only good because it's not anime?

If this means anime goes back to being actually good instead of safeshit garbage for western audiences, then so be it.

Holy fuck im so tired of this fucking game

Wouldn't call Clair 33 a pure JRPG. The game turns into Sekiro during enemy phase. And dodging/parrying gives AP so you can't completely ignore it.
There are some bosses that's impossible to beat if you play it like a turn-based

Mods really need to ban "journalist" trash and twitter reposts, jesus christ shut the fuck up

Barret was before the fatigue, and the graphic wasn't detail enough to see him smacking his lips

It's not the aesthetics, it's the overused tropes. Tropes are not a replacement for a character's personality, development and relations.

there goes 80% of the site's revenue

Isn't anime more popular than it's ever been among normalfags right now?

You can beat the game on expert using dodge only without much difficulty

I wish normalfags would fuck off from anime culture.

ruin the best part of "J"RPGs in favor of even more hideous greasy scarecrow UE5 metahuman asset flips when they could just start replicating the one thing gachashit like WuWa did right (anime 3d models that aren't shit) instead

I really hope this shit does not become a trend.

It's popular but they still hate it, they may watch MHA and love it but the instant they see one of the sexy teenage girls they start crying about fanservice and sexualization and pedophilia

it's weird how they act like this sold 50 millions copies and ignore that fucking million people that got it because it was on gamepass

J(e)RPG comes out with

well-written characters

mature story and deep themes

incredible OST

breathtaking visuals

epic multi-stage bosses with memorable designs and a huge variety of attacks

fun, strategic combat where each character has their own mechanics/synergies, and a ton of depth with lumina tinkering

parry/dodge system combined with learning enemy/boss movesets makes each encounter gripping and exciting even if the strategy elements have become a bit stale

a huge and detailed overworld with a ton of side content and attention to detail

Weebs:

NOOOOOO YOU DON'T GET IT!!! We want infantilized characters, cringy japanese "humor", tired tropes, gay anime artstyle, enemies and bosses that are throwaway fodder pulled straight from the digimon reject pile, and braindead formulaic combat where you just do the same thing every fight!!!

The genre has stagnated into this weeb-pandering trash in the last few decades. One game finally bucks the trend and is a fucking great game to boot, but instead of just enjoying it, you have to cry and bitch that it's not your usual churned weebshit sIop.

only among zoomers and even then they don't like the loli/waifu anime stuff where anime minors flash their panties, just anime with a balanced cast like Demon Slayer, Jujutsu Kaisen, or Dungeon Meishi

When every single western comic look like this and treat their readers like retard, of course normies would turn to Manga. Demon slayer is a MEDICORE manga/abuse, but because the alternate are so much worse, it end up being one of the most popular media at the time aka during covid. Imagine being a young boy and almost every other media antagonise you, except Demon Slayer

because of fad, not aesthetic
sites like r34 or porn imagen shows that disney shit is more popular than anime

that's what I said...
you can't completely ignore dodge/parry. it's a turn-based during attack phase and a QTE fest during defense phase

not really, because when those normalfags watch AOT or Jojo on netflix they tell you they like "netflix animation", not "Japanese anime".

I meant you can totally ignore the parry, not the dodge. The dodge has twice as big of a window, and you can be far from perfect, so long as you aren't speccing glass cannons.

It's only good because it's not anime?

Nah, the problem is not the animation, it's the modern anime writing and the bad modern anime designs. People love animation. For example people loved Cyberpunk:Edgerunners but it was written by the Cyberpunk 2077 writers and the anime designs were based on the videogame visuals. Anime used to be really cool 20 years ago. Modern anime has turned to slop.

This is such a fucking psy op.

When Expedition 33 came out, actual players was talking about how its a triumph for turn based games, and journalists were lightning quick to shut them down.

Now they're all coming out in droves to claim its because of the art style and the ages of the characters. They had this planned from the start.

Has there EVER been a game more shilled here than this French parry slop?

Wait this Raven is real, I thought it was a troll or some Tumblr fan art

So true

FF16 was recieved like a wet fart so no?
The problem is most anime games fall into cringe topes like harems and the power of friendship. They dont make good ones anymore like back in the PS1 days

This. People don't want the overused tropes.

sometimes aesthetic is a thing that will determine if I buy a game or not
I like the style of most Final Fantasy games and Shin Megami Tensei, but not the Tales Of or Trails and its hard to explain why sometimes

He said, posting a character from "Orc May Rape".

It's only good because it's not anime?

What more do you need?

Is it really a JRPG if it doesn't have a hot spring scene? bonus points if the guys get punished for peeping

Gee I wonder why....

That's not Raven it's Starfire's daughter.

Not according to our new 33 autist. He refuses to acknowledge Pokemon is the most profitable franchise on the planet.

He unironicly prefers Netflix garbage.

weird because this game is full of jrpg and anime tropes.

People will say anything other than "Persona fans made playing anime styled RPGs cringy" it seems.

I want to fuck Becky cunny tho

lol

well-written, mature, grounded story with compelling characters

KEK

Which game and what tropes?

I don't want to player as a literal faggot

modern anime has no more color design it's really fucking embarassing.

normgroids don't even consider pokemon anime

I always love images like this cause you can always tell they were made by larping zoomers.

Indeed it is. People are just that shallow. Turns out the Japan thing basedface meme was projection all along and it's actually the other way around. Meanwhile a lot of JRPG fans have been praising this game regardless. Turns out it's weebs who judge things by their content and not by the cover and normies who don't

yes your average person is extremely superficial and insecure about anything that might get them grief from their peers, sharteens in particular base their whole personalities around it

most of the nintendo shit don't have anime aesthetic

All the chink and jap and gook gacha games. Astro Bot (didn't work). Unironically AC: Shadows with all "hate" threads (didn't work).

Explain why Like a Dragon does well then

Turns out it's weebs who judge things by their content and not by the cover and normies who don't

Lmao, it's the complete opposite. Weebs have such bottom of the barrel absolute garbage standards and will praise anything purely because it's anime, that I've just started avoiding anything anime because I just know it's going to be straight garbage in terms of gameplay, story, and characters.

Catherine is the only "anime" game I think I have ever enjoyed.

Some people flat out don't like anime art. Myself included. It's fucking childish. It's generic and homogenized beyond any other art style I can think of.

Edgerunners was nothing special but it was used for PR and actually convinced retards to forget that Cyberpunk was unplayable garbage sold at AAA prices. Why did everyone forget CDPR started as a marketing company?

old good new bad

You had good and "good" anime picked out for you.

It stole persona 5s ui. Looked like plagiarism wins again. Good job leftist hypocrites

turns out even when you're an anonymous person on the internet the modern day user is insecure about how he is seen by other people

game with no cute boys that isn't Simcity or on the NES

0/10: no cuties, no buy

Because it looks realistic and it's "ironic" that's why you can enjoy pic related without it being cringe, because it's SUPPOSED to be cringe

No, this game proved you completely wrong. It's over. It doesn't do anything new or special, it's just the aesthetic and tone that is different. Meanwhile, many "weebs" also enjoy the game. No to mention, you literally just admitted in your post that you superficially discard games based on an anime aesthetic. QED

I don't play animesloppa

OMG MC died!!! OMG it's sad and people die a lot!! That means it's good writing!!

Souls like atmosphere!?? OMG!!

Parry combat?!?!?

These are the reasons normies are slopping it up .

You are just straight up lying, studio trigger made and wrote the anime.

The devs wanted to delete Rebecca.

Never playing your French parry slop.

Yes. I tried persona 5 and got bored by the fucking high school setting and anime bullshit.

Where's that one tone deaf faggot who was virtue signaling against pedophilia in JRPGs, but doesn't realize that the French are some of the biggest pedophiles in Europe?

It doesn't do anything new or special, it's just the aesthetic and tone that is different.

See seethe

tricked the 'teens into enjoying Final Fantasy Tactics Advanced

welcome, weebs

Barrett is actually cool and well written. He also from an era where “minority” characters didn’t feel forced.

jrpg games

15 year olds with 15 year old problems and power fantasies

jrpg game lovers

30 something men

I like jrpg's in gameplay and got a fuckton on switch this gen, but the voice in my head that this totally wasnt aimed at me was getting louder and louder.
Even jrpg's with adult MC's tend to be childlike and what a 15 year old thinks that adults are.

Most of that is aesthetic and tone, and none of it new in terms of gameplay. Weird how so many can suddenly be interested in turn based gameplay. Somehow those people didn't buy Lost Odyssey back in the day either.

I just to want to be 15 again. You know, when I lived and thought the same way as I do now. Is that really so wrong?

Then why call it JRPG?
Why not just call it turn based?
I don't get it, I thought people that liked JRPGs liked it because of all the J elements in their RPGs, otherwise it's just RPG

Millenial and up normies hate Anime, and young zoomer outcasts hate anime.

>OMG MC died!!! OMG it's sad and people die a lot!! That means it's good writing!!

This is why One Piece is goated and filters midwits. Retards think people have to die for a story to good.

quite literally not a jrpg

So true.

the start of act 1 just being the fantasy version of a D-Day beach landing straight from Saving Private Ryan with le shellshock and REALISITIC PANIC ATTACKS tells you all you need to know about who's sucking this off

I feel like I've seen this posted like 5 times now. Is this the copy-pasta for the shills?

BeckyxSex

It's the same thing with Shonens: Nearly all of them have casts filled with teenagers and now shit that appealed to me when i was 16, feels less enjoyable now.

there's a lot of copy pastes about the game already, would not be surprised to find out it's shazamfags shifting gears for more (You)s. sad!

Nice bait faggot.

that chapter of spy family where they shop turned me the fuck on and child sex should be allowed legally across the world.

anime bad amirete guise

isn't anime soo cringe and unpopular

They only watch garbage that is popular (in the west) to be "in the know" because it's cool and they killed the American comic and animation industries. Companies also started to use anime as a marketing ploy because it still has good conitations.
In spite of this, normalfags and industry higherups absolutely despise anime tropes, characters, Japanese culture and many character designs like the moe "style". If they see them in popular shit like DBZ or MHA they just ignore it and continue being absolute blight on anything anime related. Somewhat related to this I have started seeing many of those

guys look at this video of Japanese streets with women sleeping right there, Japan is actually shit. Actually it's similar to India

My guess for these is that it became cool to shit on Japan and their culture again.

Unironically yes, you have no idea how off putting anime graphics are to the average normal person

Yes, a lot of normalfags genuinely avoid anime styled media because they think it's childish or pedophilic.

Fake fucking news. E33 is the same fucking Gnosticsm plot of every single JRPG.

sex with becky

how somebody can enjoy lighthearted stories about adventures instead of edgy boring "deep" stories
teen are literally the ones enjoying the latter

Why are you actually getting upset over some very mild shitposting, you should really know better if you actually consume anime.

Bit FF16 tried this tactic of going for more westernized style and it kinda flopped, also Metaphor did wonderful and people really enjoyed it.

Western PLAYERS

No. The problem is not western players, it's racist Weatern Journalists.

Final Fantasy is one of the few JRPGs that actually doesn't go for the anime weeb aesthetic that games like Persona and Metaphor and Fire Emblem and so on have.

you're a smart man and i agree with you!

There is at least 4 or 5 pastas for the game right now. This game broke Anon Babble

luv me whimsical music
luv me generic hero
luv me cute monstas
luv friendship
simple as

*average American

Good, japanese games are too good for normie faggots

Nah, it's both. I wouldn't bother with the game if the artstyle looked like Trails of Metaphor. 5 years ago I wouldn't mind, but now I just can't stand anime tropes and character designs.

One is turned based, the other is not.

He says while consuming "realism" slop.

Sells more than 98% of the entire genre

Majority of JRPGs can barely even reach 1 mil, let alone even scraping 3 mil

"Flop"

Huh?

The dodge/parry system alone makes it better than the typical turn-based game. Another thing people seem to overlook is the massive amount of cutscenes and dialogue that Japanese RPGs make you sit through before you even get a crumb of gameplay.

another game pumped full of volumetric fog and overanimated facescans to make the graphicsfags think it looks incredible

wahhh I hate world building and reading!

Pick up a book ngga

No, you need to look into it. The story was written by westerners, but Trigger did the character designs/storyboarding/other things. Edgerunner is decent enough IN-SPITE of the western writing, not because of it.

Koreafag and Barry linked up, need it or keep it??!

facescans

trump_wrong.gif

Muh sales

JRPG players like Japaneae games because they're Japanese. And E33 is liked because it takes after Japanese games, there's nothing western about why it's popular. The only connection is Journalists campaigning for it because it's they're excuse to cast shade at the Japanese. These same Journalists do everything in their power to cut down Japanese games.

new york times bestselling author

Does anyone even take that seriously anymore? I'm not an Author, and I'm pretty sure at some point in time I was a "New York Times best selling Author". lol

SMT has better combat and gets you into the gameplay way faster but it's as niche as it gets because it's too avant garde and Japanese. It's all marketing and presentation.

See, even though I'm not super into realism, 33 still has so much uniqueness to its artstyle it absolutely stands apart. it's incredibly distinct. It's still better than generic anime game 1000 where you collect cute dresses so you can masturbate to your 13 year old waifu and you can't tell any of the games or characters apart

Yes, also became normalfags somehow never learned about timed hits despite them being in every bingbingwahoo RPG.

I'm playing a fucking video game. Proper world-building shouldn't need an entire movie's worth of dialogue to get plot points across between dungeons.

"Generic anime look" is just bad
JRPGs used to have much more distinct art style back then.

there's nothing western about why it's popular.

except its sensibility. it's a western spin on some pretty stock jrpg tropes - like a traumatized main antagonist. the game is popular because of its westernization of jrpg conventions, not in spite of it.

E33 is liked because it takes after Japanese games, there's nothing western about why it's popular

I keep seeing lots of detractors ignoring this fact.
The devs themselves all list only Japanese games as inspiration.

Pretty much
Pic related: the director's favorite games

Demon's Souls

I kneel.... clearly that is where the art direction inspiration for levels/bosses was taken from

Not that there's anything wrong with either, but it really helps illustrate how much Western consumption of anime has changed the industry. Its in this awkward spot of trying to appeal to both sensibilities at the same time and not doing a bad job of it all things considered

Generic anime look bad

Generic 90s anime look good

the lyrics in first area of act 1 are all about dealing with mortality, not surprising he's a P3 fan. Gustave even put a gun to his head lmao

Some fat dyke self inserted her self as Starfire's daughter(Nightstar). She used to be hot.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nightstar_(comics)

I still don't know why so many games journos hate Japanese games so much, it feels so fucking forced.

That's just lip service to establish themselves as "in" with JRPG fans because it's good for marketing.

Is this the copy-pasta for the shills?

The opposite. Someone is purposely spamming it and being annoying in an attempt to gets mods attention and ban threads

people

weebs* e33 already outsold metaphor

What is the Western spin exactly? I don't see it.

Yes, no cringe anime graphics.
No cringe anime characters
No cringe anime writing
No cringe anime music
It's just better

FF8

Based?

This.

can someone tell me how they could prefer the aesthetics of the left over the right? i'm not even a jrpg enjoyer and have only watched like 3 animes

You know what, probably. A lot of praise for the game is solely aesthetics or music. That said its not like the game sold any better than Metaphor.

lmao

Era > Internet > Anon Babble

ground, naturalistic dialogue and character designs.

my friends won't laugh at me if I like the left

And metaphor was actively doing away with all the "cringe anime tropes" people here claim to hate so much

It's not just because of the aesthetics; that's actually a minor issue. It's the tired, reused shounen tropes; utopian messages; teenage party members; voiceless, blank-slate protagonists; and juvenile dialogue.

Clair Obscure is far from perfect. I disliked how the Lumierians were underutilized and relegated to the background on the later acts. However, the delivery and pacing was much more refreshing than Metaphor's.

Playing Metaphor is like reading a Shonen Jump manga; it's almost an anime trope checklist.

pretty much all the examples there are from Persona 5 alone

kek
anti anime fags really don't play anything else don't they?

no one was comparing metaphor to e33, you completely missed to point by not denying it

taste

I will now buy your game

Its funny seeing the retards here shitting on persona using E33 while the CEO himself fucking love persona

Its insane how fucking low IQ this board truly is

anti anime fags really don't play anything else don't they?

Read schizo. Its not anti anime its anti cringe japanese writing.

mods

banning a marketing campaign

It's not the aesthetics that are the issue. It's not even the gameplay.
It's the story and the writing.

It's because stuff like Persona has had the unfortunate honor of breaking into the public eye of the general gaming sphere. You don't see people shittalking stuff like Shadow Hearts or Wild Arms or Skies of Arcadia because they genuinely don't know these games exist. They know Persona and Final Fantasy. Maybe if they're really adventurous they'll have played a bit of Dragon Quest XI.

it's either Persona or a bunch of nebulous anime tropes lifted from random shows and genres that SA users and FilthyFrank barked about decades ago

is your idea of epic non-trope ridden writing is when the gender non-conforming mutt protagonist has a realistic panic attack

Taste is pretentious, but he's French so I'll give him a pass.

I don't think you know what spam is retard-kun.

Unironically yes
The "90's generic anime look" was a lot more distinguishable features than the modern moeshit anime.

Modern anime do in many cases still have pretty distinguishble features, but that does not translate to games, they all look like same shit in most JRPGs.

That's what he liked growing up, he moved on beyond that juvenile shit and made a mature game for people who grew up with and have nostalgia for those games while still realizing they were childish garbage.

retards here shitting on persona using E33

source?

The only thing that makes it distinct is grabbed from Mario RPG. You could tell me the characters were background characters from BG3 and I would believe you

this

anon

E33 is good because is a JRPG without the cringe elements from JRPGs like persona or ff8 with student silent main characters, power of friendship and hidden power, with juvenile writing

meanwhile author

persona and ff8 are two of my favorite games ever!

100% i don't think even persona 6 will beat expedition's all time 145k peak players on pc

The average E33 thread

because right looks good
you should grow up and like something that looks like shit because that's what life is all about

right childish garbage like accepting death, but oohhh noo they're high schoolers i'm sooo embarrassed

It's all marketing and presentation.

This. E33 has proven to me what I figured out a decades ago. Make something flashy and say it is good and normalfag will like it

Literally in this thread right now

Gustave even put a gun to his head lmao

WAOW shooting yourself in the head?!?!?!

PERSONA REFERENCE PERSONA REFERENCE lol!

Mentally damaged.

It was shittty in Legend of Dragoon 30 years ago, and it is shitty now.

Only Paper Mario is allowed to do this shit.

All fit Trails of Cold Shit except for the mascot.

japanese games are in direct competition with the corps that pay those journalists, anon
Also, in woke california circles, anti-asian racism is kosher

Learn to cope.

sperg can't detect jokes

sad!

it was shitty in legend of dragoon

I avoided it because it's UE5 stock assets aesthetics.

Take grorious jarpig

Add western pseudo realistic art style style

Add fags and other western sensibilities

OMG it's the greatest jrpg ever!!??!??!!! said the person who doesn't like the genre

Just calling it a jrpg is an instant out whoever wrote that is retarded

Japan is losing to the Chinese, the Koreans, and now the French at their own game.

There's nothing wrong with anime aesthetics. Many people just don't like the teen-oriented nature of JRPGs.

It really is amazing how people who didnt play the game reveal themselves so easily

I liked the part in E33 where he walks in on the girls changing, he starts sweating while they freeze in place and stare at him for a few seconds and then the screen pivots to the empty sky while they scream "MON DIEU!!!!"P22AY

SMT has better combat and gets you into the gameplay way faster

This is true, but on top of what you said about it being avant garde, SMT stories are also too abstract, with the human element usually being set aside in favor of themes.
Silent protagonists can be good for immersion, but it also means you can't really develop them as characters.

French "humor"

bland mc with no agency

fair, though verso has as much issues as most jrpg protag

mascot telling you what to do all the damn time

eh, this is basically a p5 only issue

power of friendship scene

create the greatest expedition!

flashback and recaps to 5 minutes ago

literally Act 3 start

characters constantly explaning what's happening and what they're doing

nigger, literally the last act was all these

wait, is that...? what an immense aura

a bunch of attacks had this vibe, also basically Renoir's entire presence on act 1

I need to use THAT power --- Noooo, MC-kun, noo

Gustave's Arm on end of act 1

That won't be necessary

Renoir's motive

it can't be helped

Verso's entire character

It's a great game, but for better or for worse, it has all the element of the JRPG that inspired it.

I like the part where the protagonists use their super powers to kill the big monsters and increase their power level to god-figure killing levels

This but unironically.

start crying about pedophilia

They hate the people that love them because these people are very anti woke and pozzed

smt

better combat

"hit enemy with weakness until they die"

lol. lmao. the best part is that it's not even technically as deep as Pokemon mechanically. Aside from a small handful of meme encounters throughout the series SMT is a joke.

Holy shit are you even talking about videogames?

Gustave's Arm on end of act 1

nope.
Most of your others are all wrong too. Go and try rebirth you tranny.

mascot telling you what to do all the damn time

wtf
what games do this besides persona

SMT

better combat

Any specific one in mind? I played III, IV, VV and that's a fucking lie

SMT's combat boils down to get buff on your team, get debuff on enemy's team, and hope the encounter doesn't have bullshit mechanic that fucks you for breathing

hyper realistic "art" style that will age like milk, and already looks bad with shitty blurry, greasy unreal engine hair

yeah normal fucking shits LOVE that slop

I watched 5 of and can identify almost all the shows on the left. I can only identify 1 and have watched 0 shows on the right.

please, do go on explaining how wrong i am

Bro I won't even argue with your take even though I disagree, I'll just point out E33 doesn't even have that much thinking. Each party member has there good damage set-up and you literally don't have to worry about anything else than maximizing damage since you can just paper Mario every enemy attack.

it's jrpg and anime is supposed to be blurry

nips can't into dialogue
the japanese language itself might as well be pictures chopped into word salad to form a rough idea of something

This nigga looks zeisty. All my niggas nazis nigga heil Hitler.

They only good JRPGs are Dragon Quest III and V. The rest is shit.

Almost all non 3dvg anime is literally timeless because it isn't shooting for a realistic. In video games you can find 20 year old PS2 games that still look great with minor tweaks because art style is more important than graphical fidelity

there's mascot-y characters like Chuchu from Xenogears I guess but they're almost always not very vocal or involved in the plot
actually I am struggling to think of any others apart from Chuchu, most are just some kind of beast/animal party member

hyper realistic "art" style that will age like milk

Game graphics plateaued 18 years ago.

some fans

let me guess, AI or tranny written article with some random twitter posts by literally whos

Monoco is black-coded thou.

I get that, it's just that SMT just kinda falls into the same fucking rotation for the flow of battle, with the best of encounters just the one that went out of their way to break that rotation and turning it into puzzle to solve

It's fun, I won't argue that, but it's not objectively "better" than E33

He is a dog

s this the copy-pasta for the shills

For the shills? It is very obviously being repeated by haters who want the game to be hated.

All RPGs come down to "do rotation until you either run out of resources or you win" or "figure out the puzzle and do it". In E33 it's "do da QTE lol"

i wish we could go back to the kinos of the 90s

It's true for me at least, very turned off by weeb aesthetics. I actually like some anime aesthetics (e.g. the old cel animated golden age shit, like Ghost in the Shell or Akira), but not the cringey teenage girl in a frilly dress bullshit and/or shonen bullshit (all with ugly as sin digital animations) that permeates the medium nowadays.

That having been said, I also think the outfits the characters wear in this French game are both goofy and impractical looking, and somehow also kinda generic dark fantasy, at the same time... so I wouldn't hold that up as an aesthetic win, either.

Ultimately both the French and the Japanese are too effeminate in their aesthetic choices, for me.

Now
Clair obscur: expedition 33 is proof that amerimutts are so butthurt about japan winning the cultural race they will expend millions of dollars on anti-japanese propaganda to try and stop them from dominating their country

V and VV did add more skills to use other than damage skills like the ones that give you the piercing ability or the dodge tank shit added in VV with the tsukuyomi skills. STR and dampeners still delete most anything if you can't be bothered, though.

Iunno, I find learning attack timing a more engaging combat element than buff/debuff stacking

This is either a bot or pasta

I enjoyed E33 a lot more when I cared less about learning the timing and treated it as more of a traditional RPG, setting Lune up as a healer and leaning more into support actions.

Oh but I will say, whoever decided that there was no way to swap in reserve party members without your party getting wiped needs to be shot. Infuriating decision.

japan winning the cultural race

meanwhile most of these new fans is shitting on weeb shit and japan, they are just watching the most popular titles on netflix inflating the numbers

To each their own. I dont mind it offensively like LotD but I fucking hate QTEs to lower/nullify damage
Pretty much the same boat

it does just kill resource management, though. don't really have to worry about weaving in healing or making sure you don't run dry on magic and have a turn to spend on filling it when you don't take damage and fill your AP up at the same time

for better or for worse, E33 balance is basically bound to the timing mechanics

I think the game needed some attacks or mechanics that just bypasses the QTE so it gives incentive for players to play support/sustain that isn't just Sciel turn manipulating

nigger

No it was good in Legend of Dragoon because your timed hits actually correlated to the attack animation instead of being arbitrary.

director is huge fan of actual JRPGs

makes a turn based game

hurr this is actually a deconstruction of JRPGs, finally a serious game for serious gamers

I don’t get it, where did this anti-JRPG narrative come from? If you don’t like the genre you don’t like the genre no need to latch onto another game to say that

it's weird they did this but made enemy QTEs based on their animations (sounds cues too, but still)

I wonder if they weren't all meant to be based on visual and sound ques and they just didn't get around to it. I could have sworn an earlier build of the game had the same qte dials on the enemy phase too.

It’s always been there from game journalists. Just watch the xplay review of Baten Kaitos

yeah, like I mentioned , the balance is tied too much into success/fail of the defensive QTE

I think there needs to be more scenario where you are forced into either blocking the attacks, but receiving some kind debuff, or take the attack entirely

But when all is said and done, this is the first iteration of the mechanics, so assuming that more are planned, we can hope future games would add more complexity to the combat system so it won't be trivialized once players know the timing

No

It's both. Plus anime aesthetic reminds me of all the anime aesthetic fans who are some of the most insuferable retards on the internet

>director is huge fan of actual JRPGs

if he was he wouldn't have made an ugly troon game

where did this [...] narrative come from?

Game Journos. Just like every single narrative from the past 10 years, that was the point of gamergate.

This more your style?

it isn't about the genre, it's just opportunity to dunk on the "anime aesthetic"
it always was causing butthurt and now with this fake anime popularity where the new wave "fans" are openly hating it, it's just fertile ground for subversion

where did this anti-JRPG narrative come from?

It has been going on for 30 years.

alas he is Fr*nch

Pretty much since the xbox hueg came out and western gaming was actually being considered a serious industry to invest in. Just look at old gaming media from the early to mid-00s.

No shit, npcs are npcs, thats why the follow whatever the government tell them
Normalfags used to shit on anime 25 years ago and wouldn't even touch it because that was the mentallity of the herb
Now normalfags watch anime and touch it because that is the current mentallity of the herb

They will keep consuming anime and japanese games because is the "normal thing to do" while also shitting on it because "is the normal thing to do"

wait the fucking QTEs in E33 don't even line up to whats happening on screen? Are you fucking serious?

Then go to reddit where your "mature" ass belongs.

the last gasp of a dying media really, i hope these fuckers enjoy their minimum wage on mcdonald once every single one of these "gaming media" sites are shut down and they just gonna have AI generating clickbait

becky sexo

FPBP
*closes thread*

Parries and dodges do, character skills do not.

Just watch the xplay review of Baten Kaitos

first 10 seconds of the review is talking about how the billion Indians are going to replace us

had to quit out I laughed so hard

I saw Tartarus all the time during the game and now I know why. Nice

thats... interesting

defensive QTE depends on enemy's attack and timing, but offensive QTE basically has 1 timing for each and regular attack doesn't have any QTE element

It's been 20something year since I played LotD, but I'm pretty sure the additions have 1 same timing for everything with occasional different button press to account for counters. I don't know why you think this is any different than E33's skill timing

but I'm pretty sure the additions have 1 same timing for everything with occasional different button press to account for counters

Counters dont exist and different additions have completely different timings.
t. Just replayed it 3 years go

I don't know why you think this is any different than E33's skill timing

I am lurking the thread because I haven't played it and am still on the fence. That was my first post in the thread

This. It's fucking ugly lol. It's crazy to me how people would prefer this slop over typical anime aesthetics

NTA but LotD's timed hits are synced up to the animation. E33 offensive timed hits are not synced up to the animation they just follow the arbitrary dial. But the defense ones are synced up to the animation.

i do

"Anime is so juvenille. I, an ascended patrician, am above such trifles"

"OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHH IS THAT HECKIN STUDIO GHIBILI IM GONAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA CUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUM"

Insert your Redditjak here

prologue is the Mellenial Fair with no minigames

was absolutely convinced the Mime was gonna be Gato

Each different skills on E33 also has different timing, I guess 's argument is that timing for skill usage doesn't really correlate with the overall attack animation and impact? But then again that was literally what Dragoon mode attack was like

But then again that was literally what Dragoon mode attack was like

the other anon is correct were the attack hits on screen time with the qte. Again I can't say shit for E33

For some people it unironically is the case. They literally say it verbatim.

I'm the opposite. I avoid non anime aesthetics so I didn't play E33.

these people think everything has to be “grim dark” and “morally grey”

based and same

see gay faggot western character

sssssskip

muh graphics

Let's ignore Forsoken didn't sell
Let's ignore FFXV didn't sell
Let's ignore Remake and Rebirth didn't sell as it is suppose to be the second coming of Jesus Christ

Let's also ignore that Falcom's Trails series is anime as fuck and it won't stop getting more popular each year

they sell like shit compared to when it was turnbased

FF is actually not turnbased anymore, because you turntards didn't buy it.when it was turn-based.

All said, cry harder, turntard.

No, it's proof that Western players avoid pozzed Western games.

*grunts*

because they are good and go against their status quo they are trying to protect

this is why. early on they were competition. now japanese video games are the last remaining vestiges of creativity.

What the fuck are you talking about FFX was like the best selling FF game on the PS2, at no point did sales influence the change from turn based to pseudo real time with XII.

Dragon Quest has anime aesthetics, people loved it. If the anime aesthetics are not gay people like em.

It's not the anime art style, it's the "anime writing" that people don't like.

To be fair. You have to be mentally challenged to enjoy the trope onslaught in Cold Steel trilogy.

Now post Rebirth sales.

moves lips around

They're really trying to reframe this as a "Muh anime aesthetics" shit when that's what Persona and Metaphor coast on, like JRPG fans aren't real JRPG fans because they don't want to play some Z-list poverty budget Falcom crap

Cold Steel

trials games are literal bottom of the barrel

I would largely agree with that. P5 reads like it was written for 11 year olds with no attention span with how often it repeats conversations.

Why is turn based combat the only one I see people actively beg for the devs to graphics chase more? It is just that there's a drought in the genre.

Its a grim state of affairs when the only classic JRPGs being made today is that slop and Y's while stuff like Suikoden and Vagrant Story are dead

imagine if Octopath got a real Square Enix budget and they didn't go for the cheap 2dhd meme. all those games need are more PC interaction during storylines and harder end game enemies.

It’s only popular in the sense that it’s filled in for comics and cartoons, but overall it’s not that big

Most RPG consumers in the West are extreme normalfags. They're the type who play Cyberpunk with that gameplay that seems to have come out of the first experience of someone who has never created video games in their life trying to make a project in Unity, and yet they leave convinced that they've played the best game of their lives.
In fact, this extends to practically every genre. You only have to do a quick comparison on Steam between Japanese games and similar Western ones to see how abysmal Western consumer standards are. Under Defeat, an extremely polished shooter with a gameplay full of nuances that requires a lot of training and mastery, has around 40 reviews on Steam, while Sky Force Reloaded, a literal mobile game that can't get any of the shooter fundamentals right, has 2000+ reviews (93% positive). This pattern repeats itself every time you compare a sophisticated Japanese game with some Western garbage made by people who have no understanding of games whatsoever.

that's not even about game journalism, nobody is reading that
opinions like this will exists and circulate in social media until current trend for anime will continue, titles catering to mainstream would have to cease to exist, which will not happen

You're teaching a 32 year old woman how to swim & rewarded her swimsuit for it. Peak anime writing.

Sky trilogy was good. CS starts with the most generic trope of tsundere girl going all "KYAAAA ECHI BAKA" shit on the MC and then it ends with a world war where no one dies.

32 year old woman

that's why it isn't anime writing

Nevermind repeat conversations, half of the dialogue is retarded.

"Those FREAKIN adults are evil man!" says guy who is 1 year away from being an adult themselves

Why are commies astroturfing this game so hard? Is this another ploy of theirs to try to claim America and Japan?

im pretty sure a lot of the people who bought E33 also bought metaphor

i've seen 24yo female 1view vtuber seething about adult males liking anime on twitter
adult zoomer think that they're teenagers, so it's very realistic

It isn't the anime aesthetics necessarily, it's the modern anime aesthetics. PS1 era was the most popular JRPGs ever where,and plenty of them had unique and distinct anime artstyles. It's the nuMoeslop and modern look that people detest. Shit like the newest Fire Emblem game with the toothpaste girl, or Persona sameface shit.

This
I hate anime uwu friendship slop

It's still anime contrivance, anon. It's okay that you liked a JRPG. I promise it isn't all so bad.

persona games are always shit. We call them purse owners for a reason

le 90s/early 2000s sameface good

modern sameface bad

We can thank games journalists continued hate for JRPGs that goes back decades.
They don't like them, so they pick and choose singular things and present them as the entire game. It'd be like if all that they talked about for 33 was "the wacky barefoot girl in your party" and "funny paintbrush people who like to fight" as well as how nonsense the number that ticks down and kills everyone who is that age every year.
They're all fags who want to seem like they're intellectuals for shitting on something, and JRPGs were usually an easy target because of the artstyle and sometimes awkward translations. You could have a game with an incredibly poignant theme about what it means to be alive and they'll brush brush it off as infantile because the theme is being explored via a cartoon wizard

Unironically yes. When you play Chrono Trigger and see DBZ sameface, you don't care because the style is iconic and cool, not some dogshit talentless vtuber artist

top is more fun

Weebshit faggotry is for faggots and niggers.

ah shit toriyama just gave us a dozen vegetas... okay find other ways to differentiate them

its because 99% of anime games are low effort slop, to a degree even worse than western AAA slop

*ahem*
anime
website

Shut up, Euro

The problem is most anime games fall into cringe topes like harems and the power of friendship.

The party is a harem & You spend the last half of the game rebuilding his bonds with the party that felt lied to along with accepting Maelle being a native to their world. Ya'll will say anything from admitting you got tricked into liking a JRPG like a dog getting tricked into taking it's medicine wrapped in cheese.

how many months until we can have regular discussions about metaphor/exp33/ff7 rebirth. every thread is the same 3 schizos having a pissing contest

rpgs are the demesne of the mentally ill, foolish anon

2025 and people still get embarrassed over anime they purposely watch and play.

Literally Otter eating watermelon behavior.

i like some style so its superiority is the objective truth

i just don't undertand why always somebody not liking modern anime artstyle is relying on straw man arguments and cherrypicked examples, while it's just their personal preference
most of the old styles were homogeneous, even when unique, characters were sameface differentiated by hair colors etc.
also things like fanservice were more prevalent than in current shows geared toward streaming services

No, it's simply a great game.

Yes he is.

When you consider the fact western comics have been in decline for years and the anime/manga industry growing at the same time, it's no wonder jornos won't stop trashing anime. It's seen as competition - and the west is losing.
Basically jornos being online thugs for hire as usual.

kino

QUICKLY KLEPEK COVER YOUR EYES

Nothing made or done by the french can ever be good

anime/manga industry growing

handful of shows getting big numbers on netflix because of fad on social media
marvel ips are also popular, just western comics are dead

fags

Where?

I LOVE MY CHILDREN SO MUCH I WONT HAVE THEM

YES YES YES WHITE GOY, DO NOT HAVE KIDS

They do half the time but its in a very loose way.
The other half are about getting the prompts right before the flashy attack animation goes off.
Like most of Lune's attack's timings clearly follow the movement of her animations, while Verso is half following his attack pattern, half do the timing before the attack during the charge up.

It makes sense in the context of the story for her to think that. And even then the main character doesn't agree with her and break up their relationship for that.

Anime aesthetics are basically a filter for normies

So this is the punchline
Time for Japan to drop the anime aesthetic if they want to be successful in the west

They won't, they're too xenophobic to care about anything but their own rapidly dwindling userbase.

japs barely do anime games, the niche is filled by chinks and gooks, but sadly with gacha

There are RPGs from Japan that don't use the anime aesthetic.

too xenophobic

In recent yead it would appear justified. Congrats on proving Jap boomers they were right all along.

But otome games aren't fun unless the guys are cute!

Fpbp.

unless you're hayao miyazaki

Paper Mario

final fantasy

yes. people who unironically enjoy tranime past the age of 14 belong in a psychiatric hospital

Faggot Fantasy is pure anime sloppa

alright what next

I was hoping you worldn't use those games as example. Rebirth and FF16 are still anime. Look at their faces.

Speaking of, any replacement mods for the gook other than shit like 2B? Don't want a gook in my French game if possible. There are mods that unzog Sciel well enough, but none for the gook other than the remove the disgusting tattoos.

become white

Not just the childish, generic anime style, but the incredibly childish writing, the gay, ugly character designs and nonsensical worldbuilding. It's like it's all made for 13 year old, socially retarded losers.
Of course, E33 was also kinda gay in that regard as well, clearly being a game designed for women and written for feminists.

This, I'm not playing as some chink.

I might try it later because I like RPGs with turn based combat but if it had anime aesthetics I would've bought it day one

All the playable protagonists are adults.

Realistic graphics.

Even has action commands for a lot of attacks.

Yakuza 7 & 8 are kind of slept on.

Is there some sort of generational mental retardation happening where people take a complex equation of a video game quality and try to force it into a monoissue?

Claire obscur isn't a japanese rpg with the anime style changed to realistic

can't tell if that's irony because some weebs really think that

Because they're still slop

every nuFF character still looks like a homo-twink or a K-pop plastic dolly

Final Fantasy isn't anime to begin with.

over the next 4-6 years, you are about to see some of the ugliest western 4 dudes in a line turn based rpgs ever created

Okay, and?

Yes? How is this shit not obvious to you.

the problem is they're Yakuza 7 and 8. which means there's another 6 (really 7, or 8) games to play, before you even get to them.

You're definitely right to a degree. Japs made a lot of cool designs in the 90's and early 00's. Although you could argue that those designs had a lot of western influence behind them. Also through no fault of it's own, Persona 5 is kind of responsible for the "mordern jrpg" that people think of these days. The solution? Just make something cool again.

They won't

GOOD

16 had other issues but I wouldn't call Clive or Cid a homo twink

If only they would have more characters who don't put up with bullshit.

proof

It didn't out sell it

Enjoy irrelevance then.

Played it, it's a 5/10 story with AAA Ubislop Graphics.

Yakuza: Like a Dragon was also meant to be a starting point for newcomers since it features a new protagonist and the story does not rely on previous games as much as 0-6 did.
Then they threw that out for 8 because they're fucking retarded and the game sucks dick anyway

8's story is really out there, but it's hard to go back to play 7 with all the improvements for the gameplay and everything else.

irrelevance

nip games will continue to sell what they have been doing easily making back the budget of 3 100 yen coins found in the CEOs couch

Well, yeah. It's the same reason a game like Baldur's Gate 3 is praised. When a product focus on appealing to every market except straight white males, 9/10 in journalism is guarantee.

Expedition 33 is like the successor of Shadow Hearts so it´s pretty good and that has nothing to do with anime aesthetics. Also, anime aesthetics are great when they are well realized. Ni no Kuni, DQ XI and Granblue fantasy relink all look great unlike Metaphor Fantazio. I love the anime look but avoided Fantazio like a plague because it looks like shit.

Everyone i know IRL avoids anime and anime games completely.

There are countless JRPG's like that.
The problem is you people have been avoiding them all this time because of some shallow dismissal and casual racist towards Japan.

There are countless JRPG's like that.

Name 10.

Yeah I don't like cartoonish nonsense like anime

Unironically my favorite FF character.

Two Françoises?

(((VICE)))

topic came from TroonEra

constant whining about anime artstyle and tropes itt

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Oh please. You’re missing the point sir.

It's finally a JRPG without:

gay anime aesthetic

cringy tropes or Japanese "humor"

juvenile writing

braindead, tedious spreadsheet combat

digimon reject pile enemies and bosses

bland, empty overworld

full of padding and bloat

It's an actual well-written, mature, grounded story with compelling characters, challenging and engaging combat, memorable bosses, and a sense of adventure. Is that so much to ask for?

That and full voice acting.

There's so many silly things about this scene but somehow the thing that annoys me the most is

camera pans to the sky as girl screams

Anime by and large is infantile trash. Its made for kids and often to sell toys. The same is true for vidya. Both mediums have had creators try and shake that stigma, to make mature and adult works. The problem when you get down to it is cartoons instantly make people think its lesser, its childish, its silly. The same faces certainly don't help.

I watch anime and read manga since I was 7. I avoid JRPG's because 90% of them are insanely low effort grindy piece of shit games, with boring nonsensical stories.
Make better games and I will play them. Simple as.

No, I avoid jrpgs because their gameplay is trash. Same with that overrated pos Exp33.

too based for this world

So is that really all that Expedition 33 did right? It's only good because it's not anime?

You can even see that with game channels for example:

Cuck's Game Dungeon:

*anime aesthetic* this is childish, unrealistic, non-believable cringe

*non-anime aesthetics* omg that's so cool! woah... vampires, amazing, art.

the success of "random chinkslop nobody has played" is changing everything!

Lol. Lmao even.

casual racism

You’re on a board that mostly love Japanese shit. Not liking anime doesn’t mean you hate Japanese people you retard. Maybe some people were sick of the anime shit and just wanted a game with the same mechanics but written like a movie. JRPGs are too aware of themselves to the point it’s just corny. The typical jrpg tropes this game lacks is why people like it.

nips can't into dialogue

*translators
You've never read Japanese dialogue

the japanese language itself might as well be pictures chopped into word salad to form a rough idea of something

This is true and yes it's fucking stupid, but as a consequence the language is very information dense and can express more nuance in shorter passages, most of which inevitably gets lost in English either because of character limits or simply not having adequate vocabulary to express it

I think its unironically Chinese shills butthurt over the Japanese finding out humans are 80% water.

there are tons of anime games I don't bother with because they look like they're made for 16 year olds with acne scar potholes all over their face

This is really crux. It’s not the art style. Japanese writing is basically toilet water. We need a mix of both. I like JRPG troupes but I also like mature writing. I want both and EX33 lands both easily.

the story and characters are brilliant

Mediocre at best

so is the soundtrack

Overrated and repetitive

art direction

Wow! UE5 with realistic looking characters! What incredible art direction.

Cool so now we get WRPGs with

gay western realism aesthetic

cringy tropes or western "humor"

reddit writing

braindead, tedious qte combat

souls reject pile enemies and bosses

bland, empty world

relatively short game comparatively

whenever these racist europoors make a game (like bg3 in belgium, this shit in france), these racist yuropoor faggots reveal their true racist colors and start shitting on the source material and the thing they ripped off from another country. and they do it through the western presstitute slop gayming sites

too transparent. spite marketing

Im willing to bet there is a 'SUPPORT JEWKRAINE' message in there somehow too from these yurofaggots.

It's only good

Because it's a pro migrant propaganda, made on gov money, promoted by bots. Creating false peer pressure to "like" it.

You first

yes
also writing in JRPGs tend to be more infantilized

Yes. I don't like anime and think it's fucking gay. Yes, I continue to post on Anon Babble despite it being explicitly an anime website.

I liked Expedition 33 and FF7 Rebirth as the writing and voice acting felt like normal people. I tried the demo for Metaphor but it gave off huge anime weeb vibes with the look and voice acting and dialogue so I dropped it due to finding it cringe.