Capitalism is.... LE BAD!

i dunno man playing the game it seems corpos are largely to blame for how shit night city is especially the part about buying up farms
like even if you're not anti corpo and just pro freedom, growing your own food and owning your own land is like the essence of freedom

cumbrains play it to post modded screenshots

but enough about open world games

Johnny himself says that this isn't about war against capitalism just Arasaka specifically

corpos are largely to blame for how shit night city is

I'm not saying NC isn't dystopian in some ways. It certainly is. But the blame doesn't lay entirely at the feet of the Corps. The country itself was run so poorly that entire states were able to break away and form their own federations, allowing Free Cities like NC to form and fester. Even after the NUSA reformed NC was able to retain its Free City status by allowing Arasaka to put military assets on location, effectively stonewalling the NUSA from sending in the troops less they provoke an international war.
Then you have the citizens of NC, those who choose the life of gangoons and scavs and such. They're just as much part of the problem as the Corps.

growing your own food and owning your own land is like the essence of freedom

The Nomads exist for this reason. You can take to the open roads and live a life of freedom but you are no longer guaranteed any protections.

My new cut-rate onlyfans competitor is called fapitalism

Anti-capitalist messages in a game with a budget of over 300 million dollars

Like a Smash tourney pro complaining about a bad smell.

That's one character's point of view. You can just lick corpo butthole the whole game if you want.

the game basically says you can’t change the whole system, but you can choose how to live in it.
V’s condition (sharing a mind with johnny) becomes a metaphor for loss of control, loss of self, and impending death. No matter what ending you pick, there’s no perfect victory. V doesn’t get to “win” in the traditional RPG sense. That’s intentional because the game is asking:
what do you do when your time is limited and the system is unbeatable?
rather than offering grand political revolutions or complete personal salvation, cyberpunk emphasizes personal relationships, small acts of rebellion, and self-determination. Your choices about:
how you treat Judy, Panam, Kerry, or River
whether you help others even when there's no gain
whether you pursue vengeance or peace with Johnny
these are the real moments where your values are called into question
even Johnny Silverhand who was once the symbol of rebellion starts to reflect on the cost of his ego driven choices. That evolution underlines the idea that maybe meaning isn’t in fixing the world, but in being human within it

yeah but none of my choices mattered I killed the bad guy but then another bad guy took his place who was equally bad

and that's the point of the game, this existential truth that you’re not here to fix the world. You’re here to choose what kind of person you are in spite of it. This is Night City, there are no clean choices, you can do good and the world just keeps spinning
so you're kind of supposed to feel downtrodden, like nothing you did actually mattered in the end and when you do feel that way, when you tell yourself that trying didn't matter and wondering "why try at all?" then that question, not its answer, becomes the beating heart of this game
also johnny is a little bitch he deserves to be wiped

Capitalism le bad starring Keanu Reeves and Idris Elba

You should only only say capitalism bad if you made your game with cardboard and chewed bubblegum

What was the point of this game? It was such a mess, 90% of it was entirely skipable and the other 10% feels like it should be entirely skipable

Capitalism is.... LE BAD!

its funny, because the west and east asia become rich, prosper and technological advance because of Capitalims

An actual missile simulator would be so good

(hence the variety in endings).

hahaha

what did you want from a game based on an old tabletop?

I don't think the people making the game had any idea of what they were doing it all feels like the bullshit you come up in a dream or really drunk and you rush to write it down the struggle for twenty minutes to explain it to someone else

I think you could probably make a pretty good game that criticized capitalism for less than 300 mil.

Severe copium, the game was just rushed and makes no sense

Baldurs gate 3 buts it's GTA in the future?

Nah, if you spend even just 1 dollar then it won't matter, sorry wokies, real life doesn't care about your feelings

What an elaborate way to say that the game has a garbage plot, limited roleplay opportunities and almost zero player agency.

I feel sorry for whoever thinks cyberpunk has any depth of anything, I mean the game is based of the idea of a guy who thought japan was gonna be a super relevant powerful country or something in the future, this however didn't happen and japan has been stagnant for a while in reality

Why do you tards always conflate anti-corporate sentiment with anti-capitalist sentiment? The point is that large corporations will eventually take over the government role given enough technological progress and transfer of money and power. And let's not forget that most traditional government entities act just as bad if not worse than most of the corporations in the Cyberpunk universe.

I mean the game is based of the idea of a guy who thought japan was gonna be a super relevant powerful country or something in the future

That's all cyberpunk as a setting, the game is not unique in that regard whatsoever.

Also when it comes to cyberpunk, Shadowrun did it far better than cp2020.

I mean the game is based of the idea of a guy who thought japan was gonna be a super relevant powerful country or something in the future,

wasn't japan the third largest economy in the world at the time?

Ah yes the classic

if you have money you're benefiting from capitalism and cant critique it

Even better because you're the same kind of retard who would say a poor person also isn't allowed to criticize it because they don't have money.

Seething, how cringe…

yeah basically, possibly even better, it's why Militech and Morgan Blackhand bombed Arasaka. It was basically considered the face of Japanese industry and economics and toppling it would have been a strategic win for the US in this sort of fourth corporate war that was brewing

Yes, and also this “Japan is gonna take over the world” thinking was literally everywhere in the 80’s. Remember how in Back to the Future II, old Marty has a mean Japanese guy as a boss who fires him? Shit like that was so common when you start looking for it.

You're right, I am seething at how much I was let down by the game and how they managed to get additional money out of me with a DLC that was exactly as bad as the base game for the exact same reasons. And for some unknown reason, people still enjoy that garbage. Is that not seetheworthy? Is seething really cringe?

on a related note in die hard mcclane's wife works in nakatomi plaza for a japanese company with a japanese boss iirc

Every single person in a night city is responsible for how bad it is. From the bottom tier gangs all the way to the top. Its consumerism refined. Johnny said it best "Mindless fucking consumerism wins the day again."

Saboru didn't just want to take over the role of government but also usurp the role of God with that crazy plan of his to build orbital data repositories which would be used to house human souls. If he took a personal interest in Soulkilling you he even waived the fee rich people pay to get their souls saved.
Yorinobu was just a dumb degenerate trustfund kid. Never understood his dad. Just used his money to do socially maladjusted richkid shit.

I get what you're trying to say and you might be right, but the story and endings still felt like shit

You accurately broke down the main theme of the game and all three responses were pure Anon Babbletardarion.

Yeah the game is garbage imo, I was genuinely excited for it just cause I liked witcher 3 back then, but honestly the more I saw and played the game the less I liked it, is pretty underwhelming and the whole game is just an empty husk

and that's the point of the game, this existential truth that you’re not here to fix the world. You’re here to choose what kind of person you are in spite of it. This is Night City, there are no clean choices, you can do good and the world just keeps spinning

so you're kind of supposed to feel downtrodden, like nothing you did actually mattered in the end

That's kinda how I felt before the heist with Jackie talking about going to the top and the aftermath of it. I shrugged and thought "oh well that's Night City", life goes on. There's always gonna be asshole corpos and fucked up gangers. Even if you somehow make it to the top you're either going to fall back down to earth or just die and be forgotten the next day. I think V even says something to that effect.

pretty much everyone agrees that cyberpunk had a terrible storyline

Nobody agrees on that

Just because the game has a main theme doesn't make the theme good or enjoyable. Forcing the player character to do stupid shit in order to force him into some melodramatic tearjerker story doesn't make for a good video game, especially one that's supposed to be an RPG.

Same. I could have forgiven the game for its initial opening, but the more I played the more I realised how tied my hands were. I had no way to influence the plot no matter what I did. The worst part for me was in the DLC when the super sketchy government black ops dudes that have been shown ruthlessly killing their pawns the moment they outlive their usefulness or become troublesome ask you to put a chip of experimental tech in your brain in order to do some annoying as fuck gig. NIGGER WHAT THE FUCK PUTTING UNKNOWN SHIT IN YOUR SKULL IS WHAT GOT YOU IN THIS MESS TO BEGIN WITH WHY THE FUCK IS THERE NO OPTION TO REFUSE?

I was so fucking done right then but I stuck with it to see it to the end. And then lo and behold it turns out the bitch that hired you was just leading you on the whole time. Big surprise to exactly nobody except my dumbass character with 20 int. Does the game NOW FUCKING FINALLY give me the option to put a bullet in her brain? Lolno, you either send her to the moon :)))) or you give her to the super sketchy government black ops dudes.

2077 is probably the absolute worst role-playing game I have ever played, and I've played a lot of them.

Good game, although I think it's pointless to discuss on Anon Babble. Similar to how it's pointless to discuss battletech lore with Anon Babble.

Okay name one person who isn't a slavering idiot that doesn't think that the game has a terrible storyline.

Forcing the player character to do stupid shit in order to force him into some melodramatic tearjerker story doesn't make for a good video game, especially one that's supposed to be an RPG.

Sure it does, it worked for MGS3 and spec ops.

Why should I, you're just going to come up with excuses. Even now you're saying that everyone who likes the story is an "slavering idiot"

because you play a character who isnt an all knowing time lord who has to keep the biochip physical/digital integrity from crashing down by slotting it in
did you not pay attention to the story? if V didnt have the biochip in him, Dex's bullet would've killed ya

Night City has bigger problems than capitalism

Are you posting from 2004?
The people supporting wars in shithole country are overwhelmingly on the left, it's been like that for a while now.
The only exception is israel-palestine and that's only because jews spent entire decades mindbreaking american boomers.

I didn't mind the story too much, but it definitely felt like two different games. Like they perhaps originally had it as just adventures with V and Jackie, developing the game around the possibility that they don't actually get Keanu Reeves at all. Then Keanu got back to them and they dropped everything, scrapped it and started over.
Endings though... yeah that was really upsetting. To me it felt like the panam ending was the only decent one if only because it was the only happy ending there is, even with the DLC it's still the only happy ending
to be honest though that also goes back to my other points about the game wanting you to feel powerless. Every ending gives you that feeling of accomplishment. V never gets a cure, Johnny never gets retribution (not fully), corpos are never destroyed, Night City never changes, and even in the best endings, V is dying, Johnny is gone, or both. The loose ends stay loose.
But that might be the point. Let's say all these things are resolved, then what?
If you let V live, you undercut the message that no one gets out clean
If the corps fall, you destroy the foundation of Night City’s lore
If everything wraps up cleanly, it stops being cyberpunk and starts being hero fantasy
and the world of Cyberpunk isn’t built for heroes

I was talking about good video games.

Even now you're saying that everyone who likes the story is an "slavering idiot"

And it's an accurate assessment.

if V didnt have the biochip in him, Dex's bullet would've killed ya

So in other words, if the main character hadn't been in a forced convoluted situation, the other forced convoluted situation that followed would have resolved differently? Whoa man, amazing stuff. It's not like that's the entire point of a role playing game or anything.

Why can't I roll to judge the intent of Dex and avoid the ambush? Why can't I react in time to prevent myself being shot? Why are you defending the game's garbage plot?

see

I was talking about good video games

So no game is good then according to you

*No ending gives you that feeling of accomplishment

If you have money

They're millionaires, you retard. Not folk artists selling their wood carvings at the flea market. I'd rather you put the fucking gun in your mouth than throat faggot corpo cock.

Dude why cant I just toggle god mode and destroy all narrative while making EVERYONE like me

its like whining when the DM wont let you roll or pass a check and you throw a tantrum

tabletoptards are just like vegans aren't they? they really need to let you know they play ttrpgs

halfway done with the edgerunner anime, thinking about picking up cyberpunk 2077 but only if Rebecca is in it.

She isn't

lol lmao

Yeah, if a GM doesn't let a chracter react to the world he's running a masturbation session, not a role playing game. Characters getting to roll to judge intent or perceive an oncoming ambush are the basics of the basics.

they both take place in night city right? I find it hard to believe that they wouldn't include her

I swear they want Perfect immersive sims that no one actually buys

Finish the show and you'll feel no desire to give the polish fucks any money, trust me. I haven't even seen the show but after reading the synopsis it made me hate the game even more.

But why do you insist on unlimited interaction? No game offers what you want, every game is limited by either design or story. But yet here you insist on something that can't happen and has never happened

ITT retards that didn't play the game

no but her gun is if you want that and it's incredibly OP

it actually gets over shadowed if you ever find a broken mod for the shotgun that instant kills on LEG hit (all pellets count) when you slap that on the Tech shotgun

Because it isn't just that specific instance, pretty much the entire game is like that. The only notable exception that I can remember is the quest to get the stealthy spider bot, everything else is on rails and you have no agency.

Game is garbage bro, they only made an anime with bait characters to promo the game, nothing more

no you have a decent amount of agency, just nothing that provides the "perfect" outcome which doesnt belong in the setting.

Don't play the game. Trust me, I have around 3k hours of playtime. You wouldn't like it.

I played it and I have should just deleted it the moment they said you were not able to use flying cars, it shows how utter trash the game is considering it's supposed to be set in the future lol

Almost zero agency is not a decent amount.

making a profit is more important than people's health, safety, rights, right to ownership, etc.

also, helping people is an act of communism, because socialism is bad

4th World Country. Literally

Then name me a game that provides what you want, complete and total player agency

welcome to the cyberpunk genre

Hate to get all "media literacy award" on you guys but did you seriously miss that Johnny was constantly shown as being a brash retard that while having a (explicitly questionably) righteous cause made a lot of stupid decisions that hurt a lot of innocent people

His engram coming to terms with that was a big part of his character

that would imply any of these dumbass niggers would've made it past the tutorial after bitching about not having a blow job in the corpo AV

Nta but vampire bloodlines has a lot of player agency, is like millions of miles ahead of whatever cyberpunk is

Blade runner is not cyberpunk

Yes if you engaged in a massive buyout of a indie tabletop franchise that you proceeded to ruin, make lame, and gay, literally pushed WEF propaganda in your retcons, and are a international multi-billion dollar corporation it's really hard to appear anti-capitalist.

They literally retconned the fucking bioplague because and I quote from the writers that have been employed by the global megacorp that bought the rights for less time than I've been gming the game, "It resembled a conspiracy theory."

no you dont, you're forced to BECOME a vampire, like why cant I just ignore the dumb bitches booty call and instead become a proper vampire hunter for god?
no fucking player agency.

dystopia futuristic high technology dark world

not cyberpunk

?

There is no perfect CRPG due to obvious limitations of writing and coding until we have proper AI game masters, but there are plenty of games that offer far greater amount of player freedom, such as Age of Decadence. Even BG3 goes much further than cybershit2077.

Tech noir

Where was my option to not become a vampire? Where was my option in not pissing off the werewolves, why couldn't I just talk to them? Where was my option to skip getting involved with the sarcophagus

Lmao, the agency is inside the vampire clans being widely different in the ways you can behave and the skills you can get, something cyberpunk doesn't have whatsoever

No, that's the corporate reboot of the corporate reboot. Of course after two international megacorps rebooted, and retconned away any brand unfriendly elements the story would be diluted trash.

See

BG3 was also released several years after cyberpunk and had a unique development cycle, they had the game in early access for years before releasing it and used a lot of player feedback on how to deal with problems.

But speaking of BG3, why did they deny me the option to roll dodge so I wouldn't get a parasite inside my body in the first place? Seems very contrived and forced

Thanks, I fucking hate it here. Do you have any other places for me to be, preferably ones where I don't have to live like a puppet on someone else's strings?

Pure Capitalism without regulation or restraint is a nightmare. Perverse unholy marriage of corporate with government makes dystopian society.

In the cyberpunk alternative history the official governments of the world were just puppets controlled by mega corps pulling the strings. Leading the the highest income and lifestyle inequality in human history.

playing with AI story tellers and going on my intense schizoid delusions for a kick

Le bad.

Yes, check out [insert anime]. It's great because it's a derivative of a hundred other stories just like it.

Ethnically diverse white supremacy

Democratic totalitarianism

Jumbo shrimp

High-budget, corporate-funded cyberpunk game

What do all these things have in common?

no it was taken over by the japanese evil devil mega corpo who only ever care to churn through the people like disposable cogs

Artists
Fuck people who create things.

But speaking of BG3, why did they deny me the option to roll dodge so I wouldn't get a parasite inside my body in the first place? Seems very contrived and forced

I said "even BG3" specifically because I acknowledge that it has serious flaws when it comes to player agency. For example, wish should be more than sufficient to break the curse of the tadpole. Why wouldn't Elminster spare you one of his 9th level spell slots? You meet his simulacrum in act2.

So just like Blade Runner, Ghost in the Shell, and literally every cyberpunk story ever? Congrats, you figured out the genre is built on remixing themes and concepts. Welcome to postmodernism.

No, most shit isn't a fucking reboot of a reboot of a reboot you retard.

So you think a melee build V plays the same as a hacker V?

By your logic then all vampires plays the same and therefore it has no player agency

[insert anime]

What if I insert Gunslinger Girl? Man I fucking hate myself for buying the manga before it finished, because now I have to live with the fact that I supported an author of an awful story.

dying is... LE BAD

It is though. I'm tired of immortality (and the search of it) being portrayed as evil.

Capitalism creates corporations, and unchecked corporations create anarcho capitalism/corpo feudalism. This is what Johnny hates. This is where we are heading

Would Johnny blow up CDProjectRed?

That's just Johnny's autism.
The plot of the game is about letting go.

What if you don't want to let go?

For that you have the sun ending.

I just wanted to make a violent psychopath who takes money from evil people to cause mayhem and bloodshed. I didn't expect a philosophy lesson and actual stakes. I saw the tech and body perks and wanted to go full rip and tear with bombs thrown in. Maybe become a one man army and take on every faction at the same time either going out in a blaze of glory or becoming the new top dog.

But that ending has you dead in a couple of months.

Not if Blue Eyes White Faggot has a way to help, like he helps Songbird if you send her to the moon.

This is where we are heading

hooooooooooooo boy you're already waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay late for that

The alternatives are not particularly amazing either.

damn nigga sounds you want a different game like warframe or something

I don't get the reference. Who is blue eyes white faggot? The singer guy whose name I forgot?

Yeah, all the endings are awful. So, what if you don't want to let go?

Mr Blue Eyes
Nigger, the sun ending concludes with V being sent in space to rob a casino on a contract from the guy.

Captcha CP2077

Oh. I don't think I've ever met him in the game because I don't remember him at all. When I played the game I went with the nomads and googled the synopses of the other possible endings and concluded that it wasn't worth my time to try for the other equally awful endings and dropped the game. Until they reeled me back with the garbage tier DLC and earned my neverending ire.

So do I have it right, there's a character that may be possibly able to help you in one of the endings if you read between the lines and apply an unhealthy dose of copium?

unchecked corporations create anarcho capitalism

That's not ancap though. Ancap follows libertarian ethics, how the fuck is Arasaka doing that when they're killing people and forcing their will? Arasaka is more like hereditary corpocracy

You are correct, cyberpunk settings are not ancap, they are authoritarian. Just because corporations take the place or exist alongside of tyrannical governments doesn't mean it's anarcho-capitalist.

I mean my prefered ending is temperance with giving your body to Johnny. It's the peak of cyberpunk kino as a genre.
But it's undeniable that Bluefag helps Songbird in some way, as she contacts you later after you finish the DLC.

I don't care what happens to songbird, I wanted to put a bullet in her skull. Does Bluefag help V in any of the endings?

No, only implied, after launch people believed that the Crystal Palace heist would be the DLC, but that never happened.