be a lying psychopatic manipulative cunt who got many people killed or murdered personally or Walter White style for the plot
literally everything you do is for the grand suicidal plan of finally dying and taking a whole world with you
somehow fool redditors and midwits into thinking you are a selfless hero who sacrifices himself for his sister
How many time we have to teach you the lesson escapists?
Transparent copium tank
Kekaroo
Verso fags will try and say a person giving you this look is part of the good ending
Verso being an edgelord not being able to face reality of who he is (something Lune and Sciel accepted in a mature way) and wanting to die and not giving a damn if it gets everyone else killed is fine and not selfish
Maelle not wanting to live a shitty life as a cripple, shitty Paintress with family that treats her like shit and mother that hates her and at war with Writers and instead preferring to live with her friends BAD AND SELFISH
Troons identify with self-righteous character that wants to ACK themselves
me letting Gustave die so that he won't call me out on my bullshit and i can assume the role of a leader GOOD
you fulfilling Alicia's wish and Gommaging her BAD
It's insane how the writers managed to make Verso into such a fucking piece of shit.
Game tells you exactly what they were thinking and their motivations, autistic idiots still make fake scenarios in their minds to accommodate to their bias.
look Guillaume, this faggot chose the bad ending kek
I just uninstalled COE33 after beating it... I am literally as bad as Verso...
So if God comes down and says, "hey guys sorry but my mental health is really fucked so I'm going to destroy Earth and everyone in it", you guys would be ok with that?!?!?
He literally said both endings are valid and refuses to interpret them.
And now, the REAL context the game tells you
verso does everything to save Aline and the real Alicia, literally only betrays her at the very end because she's committing suicide
Alicia wouldn't even care about the canvas if verso's soul wasn't there and made sure to torture him and his soul until she dies because she needs to live out her perfect fantasy
You now understand why people would side with the sacrificial older brother over the junkie younger sister.
Yes.
Same. Also my cat reminded me of my dead wife, so I drowned it.
He also spent a solid five minutes laughing at the guy seething Maelle's ending felt like a bad end.
Literally the kind of cope you'd expect from her fans.
Dear God. Shut the fuck up and play the piano, faggot.
defends verso during the interview
name based on saint seiya
gameplay based on DMC
even gave him a style meter
gave his ending a unique song
laughs at people who complain about the jumpscare
Doesn't take a genius to know who his favorite is.
You now understand why people would side with the sacrificial older brother over the junkie younger sister.
What if her 'dug' is kittens?
Broche said that main inspiration for the story was "La horde du contrevent"
Let's ask about some AI about this book.
La Horde du Contrevent (The WindWalkers, in a forthcoming English translation) follows a group of 23 elite individuals—the 34th Horde—on a perilous mission to reach the "Origin of the Wind" in a hostile world swept by constant and violent wind.
They travel against the wind, from the sheltered "Leeward" (downwind) to the mythical "Windward" (upwind), across deserts, mountains, and ruins. Their journey is both physical and metaphysical: a reflection on purpose, struggle, death, memory, and transcendence.
Each member has a specific role: Golgemor the fighter, Sov Strochnis the scribe, Callirhoé the tracer, Caracole the troubadour, and Oroshi the windmaster, among others. The main protagonist is Sov, the chronicler of the horde.
what about theme?
1. Struggle Against Adversity
2. Collective Identity and Solidarity
3. The Quest for Meaning and Transcendence
4. Language, Perception, and Reality
5. Time, Memory, and Legacy
6. Death and the Edge of the World
Overall, La Horde du Contrevent asks:
What is worth fighting for when the outcome is uncertain or impossible?
Is the destination more important than the path?
Can a person — or a group — stand firm in a world that constantly tries to break them?
Starting to think the whole grief angle was a change brought by the women writer, was the original script by guillaume was more about the expedition.
>literally everything you do is for the grand suicidal plan of finally dying and taking a whole world with you
Literally me
Kek based frogs
Does anyone else think paint Verso could’ve been completely different personality wise from original Verso since he was crafted from the grief and despair of his mother? Let’s not forget OG Verso saved Maelle from the fire, while paint Verso is literally a selfish asshole because his mother was also one and imparted that into him.
Chad move
umm have you looked at your world leaders
Go cheer for your daddy getting a new plane
The woman writer has a whole bible with extremely detailed backgrounds for every single character and a whole timeline on the setting.
She probably cared more about the expedition aspect than Guillaume.
She even posted info about the first reported gommage.
while paint Verso is literally a selfish asshole because his mother was also one and imparted that into him.
You mean the same guy who sacrificed himself for Alicia, including telling her you're ok like the original verso, something his mother couldn't have known?
This selfish asshole did everything he did because of Aline and later Alicia, killing expeditions, helping Renoir, everything.
The Director played Metaphor and hated it, dropped the game and said that he felt jRPGs stagnated and this was one of his reasons to make Expedition 33 (not that he made it because of Metaphor, it came later, just that it confirmed his thoughts after playing Persona 4 and 5).
Gigachad.
WARNING, JUMPSCARE
Verso isn't even a god. He's a painted person just like everyone else that he's dooming to die. Luckily this ending is the non canon one.
Link to him saying this?
Actual jumpscare, Maelle pls don't look
Its like the people who side with verso didn’t even play the game. How do you play this game and Not want to save gustave and lune and lumiere? They just ignore everything until the last reveal and emotionlessly state “its just a painting”. You’d have to be mentally damaged not to care.
No, but if I were an ant, I wouldn't want people to lay out ant poison. It's a matter of perspective.
Real Verso sacrifices himself to save Alicia from the fire
Painted verso sacrifices himself to save Alicia from the canvas
Yeah two totally different things
This selfish asshole did everything he did because of Aline and later Alicia
He only wanted to help Alicia as long as it benefitted him self deleting. Once he realized she just wanted to wallow in her copium Sim game, he wouldn’t have it
This selfish asshole did everything he did because of Aline and later Alicia
That was a mask
I give it another week before these threads finally dissipate.
How could you play the game and not want to save Alicia/Maelle from herself and ending up like her mother?
Or finally grant Verso his sweet release instead of his family destroying itself?
It's a matter of perspective.
daily reminder that aline is the only villian
First time I heard of this book, but I posted in another thread to just today how it felt like they gave up halfway through making the game. They were far enough that some shit like this webm leaked through. Can anyone explain this? What is this about? Why does Maelle dream of this?
But they gave up. I understand, the budget was tight; it is no coincidence that after Act 1, when the major shift happens, and the scope of the story shrinks absurdly, half the party stop developing. I won't accuse the female writer of this (though I wouldn't be surprised knowing women's preferences in storytelling) but for sure they had something a lot grander in mind but either didn't have the money or the talent to realize it.
somehow fool redditors and midwits into thinking you are a selfless hero who sacrifices himself for his sister
No one believes he's selfless or a hero
this guy gets it
I finished it but felt the same thing. Metaphor was so bad
The entire family are villains.
realizes Alicia will just force him to live while she drown herself in copium
she does just that
He was right, the canvas had to go.
Alicia does tell him after everyone is gommaged “You’re not verso.”
true but aline is the main one for fucking up verso's canvas so badly
aline gets away with everything too
fucking bullshit - i hope the writers firebomb her house again
Let's talk about the canvas and just how "detrimental" it is to Maelle. Renoir and Aline both stayed in it for 67 years. Maelle is currently at 16 years in. If she shoots for 67 years in total, that'd be enough to see Gustave, Lune, and Sciel live full lives. And at which point Maelle could exit and canvas and pull the plug. Verso was worried for nothing, he was just acting out of his selfish desires to die.
Yeah there's a bunch of stuff that obviously becomes dead ends.
Like Goblu liking flowers was blatantly some reference to a reincarnation of Sophie, that they then dropped.
Or even more obvious, it's mentioned like 4 times that Renoir upgrades pictos... that isn't in the game. And it's not that that matters, the system now is fine- it's that they never removed the voice lines for this.
So blatantly there are parts of a previous draft still left in the game.
did they made the chad shot on purpose
fucking kino
Just Two More Weeks
As fucking if she'd pull the plug on Gustave's son.
You're retarded.
That scene is in the game.
It's just Maelle raging at the paintress for gustave's death.
and the scope of the story shrinks absurdly
Dude, they spend the whole act 2 chasing the paintress until she dies. The scope of the story is the exact same as act 1.
I can't believe Versofags exist. You filthy people are retarded
No translation to this book? It sounds amazing.
spend 90% of the story caring about the expedition and people of lumiere
lol lmao everyone dead now care about the family drama pls
Lumierebros, we got robbed
This is what I’m talking about. There are a lot more people at play than those two. If you can go through this whole game and not even consider them, I think you must be autistic.
that'd be enough to see Gustave, Lune, and Sciel live full lives
You think she cares about them, cute.
Despite what she says, she's not letting verso, the whole reasons she's staying in the canvas, die, and both her dad and verso know.
Then she could easily leave the canvas and take a break. Renoir will either be in another canvas or dead. OR Aline and Maelle could both take turns watching the canvas, both leaving at different times to take breaks. Im a fucking genius. Verso was an idiot.
Can you point me where that scene happens? I honestly don't remember. And is that his armband? And if you're right, why does she have prescient dreams of this? Why does she even dream of Verso killing expedition 00? The game never links this to her paintress powers.
and not even consider them,
You can consider them and still think they don't matter as much to you as Maelle/Alicia.
It's pretty simple, really
the world
your sister
choose.
I think the only part of the story I'd criticize is the abrupt shift from the whole of the Expedition as a focus to just the story of Verso and Alicia. At the end of Act 2, only they really matter.
Which also eases the player into choosing Verso's ending.
There are clearly some plot lines that are still in the game that were only hinted at and then abandoned. Like the Goblu flowers things.
Like the Goblu flowers things.
Isn't that like the white nevrons, showing they aren't just mindless monsters?
verso, the whole reasons she's staying in the canvas
Versofags only see what they want to see. Imagine thinking Alicia doesn’t care about lumiere. Did you even play it?
Which also eases the player into choosing Verso's ending.
Only people who sympathized with lying, murdering rats chose verso. If you have any shred of compassion for Lumiere, you went with Maelle.
I can quit any time I want! Just one more hit
The longer she stays in the canvas, the less likely she will want to ever leave it. She'll just revive them if they die (like she did with Sciel's husband)
She will never leave the canvas willingly, and even if she gets kicked out, she will find her way back in, just like Aline.
I would never sacrifice the whole world for a family member. Talk about being retardedly selfish! No family member would ever expect that of me either.
There's a good lead up to go either way imo.
It's the actual endings where the devs show which one they favored. But you have to see both endings to know.
I think the only part of the story I'd criticize is the abrupt shift from the whole of the Expedition as a focus to just the story of Verso and Alicia. At the end of Act 2, only they really matter
It’s clearly a metaphor for Jennifer and Guillaume being at odds with different focuses on the story the same way Renoir and Aline are at odds with their method of grieving
shred of compassion
barely recreates the people (now they don't even wear different clothes) and everyone has to submit to her whims
they are dead anyway once renoir or clea see she's dying
Cool. Many people would, however.
Why should I give a single fuck about Lumiere and its crowds of copy pasted negros.
Yes, Jennifer on the expedition, Guillaume on the drama and Verso being the antihero.
But act 3 is really fucking short plot wise, Lune, Sciel and Monoco already get their final events there which is the most you can muster up since almost everything in it is side content.
Brown people who don’t think, maybe.
So what do you guys think the DLC will be about? Clea's TWD? Gustave golden ending? Expedition 0? Expedition 60?
Are we really gonna pretend women's favorite book ever is The Odyssey rather than Pride and Prejudice?
I like the story as is, as in I like the Dessendre story, but you replay the game prologue to act 1 end (and to a lesser extent act 2 because verso muddies the waters) and you realise you just care SO MUCH more about the expeditions. Reducing that all down and focussing only on the Dessendres is simply a significantly worse story, if a fine enough one.
I can't let you destroy verso's canvas
I just wanted to live a lifetime with you
Now, argue that. The only time she ever mentions the people in the canvas is in a desperate appeal to emotion so verso stops.
She doesn't even mention them to renoir.
Clea's TWD
That would be the sequel.
Clea goes into written stories and fucks everything up from there somehow.
Reducing that all down and focussing only on the Dessendres is simply a significantly worse story
You still get the full expedition story, up to the end of act 2 is exactly what you'd expect from the game, culminating in beating the paintress.
He only wanted to help Alicia as long as it benefitted him self deleting.
But it never did? Helping Renoir would.
Funny how Versofags never have a rebuttal for this
It's character assassination, plain and simple.
Even at the start of act 3, she has some thoughts towards the Lumierians (though far, far less than Maelle does).
As soon as you beat Renoir, her character COMPLETELY changes on a dime. They literally just rewrite her completely from that point on in order to force the ending.
It's simply shit writing. I don't mean "abloobloobloo the endings aren't good ends" I mean the actual writing is straight up dogshit, they force words out of Maelle's mouth that would never, ever be said were they at all consistent with her. They forget every single thing about Maelle and turn her into pure Alicia, which also negates everything up to that point.
Yeah, if the game ended there it would be pretty fucking amazing, cutscenes changed to suit of course. Unfortunately, it's dragged down by what comes after.
doesn't love his family above all else
What a sad, unloved existence.
It's true. I chose Verso but he's a piece of shit as a protagonist even if he's right and Alicia is killing herself on escapism.
Reducing that all down and focussing only on the Dessendres is simply a significantly worse story, if a fine enough one
I thought the same at first, but after thinking about the way everything ends up, it makes sense with the theming they were going for. If you still cared about the expeditioners and everyone in Lumiere by the end, that was the intent of the endings. It’s the whole reason why there’s such a big divide between verso and maellefags. We wouldn’t get this kind of discussion if the devs expected us to not care about the fate of the world by the end.
Yeah, I agree with you. I still liked the whole thing but it feels like two different stories, with one being rendered of low consequence as soon as the focus shifts. Lune, Sciel, and Monoco are just kinda... there.
I don't think so, book was released in 2004, probably too late for that now.
Asking chatgpt about it is really funny though, the similarities and all
5. Time, Memory, and Legacy
The Horde is the 34th attempt in a long line of doomed expeditions. They carry the weight of past failures and hope to leave behind a legacy, even if they don’t reach the end.
This theme is particularly embodied in Sov, the scribe, whose job is to remember, record, and transmit — even if it means dying for it.
About the ending of the book
Meaning of the Ending
The ending reframes the entire journey:
The Origin doesn’t exist as a physical place — it’s an inner transformation, a realization about the nature of struggle and purpose.
The Horde’s mission was not about reaching a destination, but about becoming through effort, creating meaning through resistance.
Sov, the scribe, is left to preserve and pass on the memory of the Horde’s journey. His survival isn’t triumphant but sacred — he becomes the living legacy of the Horde.
This final moment is existential and spiritual. It says: what matters is not the goal, but the will to reach it, even if it is unattainable. The Horde becomes myth, legend — a story that others will follow, not for what they found, but for how they lived and resisted.
That's the problem.
The DEVS don't care about Lumiere and its citizens by the end.
They only care about the Dessendres.
Maelle's end is entirely focussed on Maelle and Verso, save for a brief glance at the others where it's not clear if they're the real them or Maelle's pawns. Verso's end is entirely focussed on the Dessendres, save for a brief glance at the party members and Esquie, not even the others.
The game is literally worse once it stops focussing on the expedition.
Fuck, I wanna read, not gonna read your spoiler bro. Thanks for that btw. I wonder if there's an unofficial translation somewhere. Sometimes there is.
They forget every single thing about Maelle and turn her into pure Alicia
Because she is pure Alicia. Maelle got gommaged, she's gone. All you got left is Alicia with Maelle memories.
What a great book.
It's nice the author kept his focus on the main character, Sov, and that's what kept the audience interested.
Pity the devs of exp33 couldn't do that and got completely distracted by their side story, the Dessendres.
evil seductress
His survival isn’t triumphant but sacred — he becomes the living legacy of the Horde.
Uh Oh Maellefags, what's this?
Why do I feel like ending shittery has gotten worse in the past two or so days?
Just more people finishing the game (read: watching their favorite streamer completed it), or general schizophrenia?
The DEVS don't care about Lumiere and its citizens by the end
They clearly did, otherwise they wouldn’t have let Lumiere die or be simulated by Maelle in both endings. The entire crux of the game is how grief affects the world around you and its consequences. The message of the game wouldn’t be nearly as impactful if all the focus was on Lumiere.
That was because she IS just Alicia with Maelle's memories. She also doesn't get angry about Verso letting Gustave die.
Maelle dies at the end of Act 2 with finality.
It's nice the author kept his focus on the main character, Sov, and that's what kept the audience interested.
So when wasn't E33 focused on the main character, Maelle?
You realize she's the main character and the game is her journey, righ? And that you simply play as two dudes who take care of her, right?
RIGHT?
You didn't read the rest of my post.
Lumiere is briefly referenced. That's all it gets.
The game itself only considers Maelle's escapism or Maelle's grief at the funeral, and fuck all else.
It really, really doesn't give a shit about Lumiere.
saves your pocket dimension and all the sentient beings in it
Anon Babble does not deserve her.
Once was enough and it happened years ago and it killed Anon Babble anons.
saves
enslaves*
When Maelle got gommaged, of course.
It really, really doesn't give a shit about Lumiere
Tell that to Jennifer, who wrote all the expeditions journals and the entire imitation of the plot then.
And then you get her actual backstory?
And she becomes the de facto main character?
Initiation*
Verso kills everyone. His fresh cum was still dripping out of Lune while she had to watch him end the entire world.
That said, I don't care. Clea believes the painted people aren't alive and in this house we stand Clea. Fuck them paint blotches.
he is absolutely a snake who lies with every breath but didn't the actual real verso soul kid want to die too?
i'm still trying to process that part so idk
She only enslaves Verso. She literally has zero reason to enslave anyone else. Also the alternative for Lumierians is complete destruction and wearing this look on their faces before dying.
It really, really doesn't give a shit about Lumiere.
If it didn't, you wouldn't get a choice for an ending and the game would simply force verso's on you.
It may be a cope from her, but she still saves lumiere in her grieving just like her mom.
A ton of stuff just gets dropped and doesn't matter because it was all a dream and can be explained through "it was painted that way". I hate it.
No but there will be nothing I can do about it.
Wow great argument, you really won this one, anon.
Retard.
The point is the game hyperfocusses on exactly and only Maelle and Verso come the end. Come the scenes post Renoir's death. And neither of THEM give a shit about Lumiere. Maelle just wants Verso infinitely and a place she can pretend, she doesn't actually give a flying fuck about them. Verso cares just as much.
You mean someone else's backstory, and someone else becomes the main character using her name incorrectly. Alicia doesn't give ANY shits about ANYTHING that Maelle cared immensely deeply about.
neither ending is "good" but Verso's is more bittersweet than than the abject despair of Maelle's
She didn't manage to save best girl and give her a happy life as her twin sister.
We need Gustave back to get a ridiculously pure good ending.
Alicia doesn't give ANY shits about ANYTHING that Maelle cared immensely deeply about.
But she does, she simply gets new priorities.
She saves lumiere and keeps it safe and sound, which is what you wanted all along, is it not?
You're describing the non-canon ending. What actually happens is Verso sits on his little cuck chair and performs the piano for everyone like a good dog.
I'm going to FUCKING kill Renoir for killing Gustave!
You let Gustave die? Okay. Relationship maxed.
Alicia =/= Maelle no matter how you fucking dress it.
she only enslaves Verso that we know of*
And neither of THEM give a shit about Lumiere
Maelle still gives a shit. Her ending is based on recreating Lumiere in her ideal image, why else would she do that? You wanting the endings to not be centered around the dessendres doesn’t change that fact.
Ok but actually not having Manual Saves in 2025 is actually a deal breaking issue and I will die on this hill, for that reason only this can not be a GOTY. Like actually EMBARRASSING level of lack of QoL. Shitty Pictos management I can forgive because whatever there are good UIs and bad UIs... but not being able to save the fucking game at a desired point and being able to return to it whenever you want is actually a fucking embarrassment in 2025.
pick Maelle's ending
everyone lives happily ever after
can leave the canvas anytime I want through the portal in Manor
if I stay for too long and got weaker in the process, Renoir will swoop in and pull me out by force, destroying the canvas in the process, until then piano cuck will keep on playing
baka ass niggas acting like it's zero sum game
Tell me about Alicia. Why does she wear the mask?
send me to my family
Verso standing right there
Fucking hell that was icecold. Painted Alicia was based.
because Aline is a cunt who painted her like that but didn't want to look at her face
We have no indication Maelle repainted them accurately. No idea Maelle didn't just paint something in their image for a setting, even Gustave, solely to focus on Maelle. No indication she interacts with them all. No indication Lune and Sciel aren't just forced to play along for fear of being painted over.
Yes, that might all be in my head. But an ending SHOULD show fucking SOMETHING to imply ANY of this is not a puppet show.
Maelle isn't shown to give any fucks at all about any of them beyond having a setting within which to torture Verso.
*solely to focus on Verso
It's kinda surprising as the book apparently was pretty succesful in France.
But from what I found, it seems to be a difficult book to translate : narrator constantly changing (one chapter per member of the expedition), a lot of play on words and kind of poetic writing, its own vocabulary/lore (Like Dune or Harry Potter)
I hate AI so much it's unreal
literally soulless
yeah, if she'll take away Verso's free will, the guy she's literally killing herself to stay with, she'll take away anyone's.
She has no reason to take away the free will of the others. They're all indebted to her, because without stopping Verso, they'd be dead. So its not like they're rebelling against Maelle.
My read on it is that the verso soul kid is only a tiny fraction of verso's soul. Basically just a snapshot of the time when the parents forced him to train his painting powers when he really just wanted to play the piano.
I don't think this soul version understands that it will die in the verso ending, because it is only this snapshot of a moment. It just wants to stop painting.
We have no indication that she didn't paint everyone with giant dicks either. What kind of headcanon is that?
cries and admits to his complaints being his own self inflicted head canon
can’t into metaphor or show don’t tell stories
I’m starting to think stories that don’t give you easy answers are for you. Maybe COD campaigns would be more your speed?
Versofags hate AI and think Lumierianns are AI
It all makes sense now
There is further no indication any of this is relevant outside of the simulacrum you have ran in your head, as you are self aware. Which I respect. That said, I reject this as nothing more than speculative and cannot take into account in earnest. Carry on.
You saw Sciel and Lune come back. They know they were gommaged.
Which means everyone else knows Maelle painted them back to life.
Which means they're all aware she's a god and can personally gommage them- or worse, paint over them.
So they all have to smile happy smiles around her or they're tortured beyond belief.
Zero indication any of it is positive in any way except for Maelle's denial. And she doesn't give a fuck about any of them feeling that way or she'd do something to abate those fears.
Instead she's hyperfocussed on Verso.
If the painting is so great why do all the painted versions of the family kids an hero?
painted maelle has maelle delete her
painted clea takes a triple penetration after you knock some sense into her
painted Verso makes sure he dies in both endings
it also proved Verso is a massive hypocrite
nooooooooo why did you gommaged her I could have persuaded her to stay despite the fact that she wanted out noooooooooo
reminds you of anyone, piano man?
Esquie and Monoco are sad because one friend is enslaved and another is killing herself
BOOP no you're not
futa Lune confirmed
She even gives him a quick glance after saying it to rub the salt in.
youtu.be
See : It's not entirely in my head, it's perfectly provable with evidence in game.
There's implication it's true, at least, and nothing to counter it.
We have no indication Maelle repainted them accurately. No idea Maelle didn't just paint something in their image for a setting, even Gustave, solely to focus on Maelle. No indication she interacts with them all. No indication Lune and Sciel aren't just forced to play along for fear of being painted over.
Absolutely retarded logic lel
Unironically media illiteracy issue
the Verso ending is an outright affirmation that the painted people have free will and can go against their creator's wishes. Maelle's ending is The Sims.
Based. Fuck Verso.
Daily reminder that most of Anons are male, right leaning and atheists/nihilists, so of course the majority of people here are going to side with Verso.
Renoir didn't an hero. He was literally 1v5ing until the very end. Took another fucking P*inter to kill him.
I think Renoir gives up in the end. Maelle tells him that she can stop at any time and he accepts. But Verso calls her lie and tells her that Renoir also knew she was lying.
I don't think he will swoop her up. He probably just accepted that he lost two kids. I'm also in favor of the Maelle ending, but it is a tough call.
he just wanted to say goodbye
or they're tortured beyond belief.
You're just talking out of your ass. The entire fucking civilization would be reduced to dust without Maelle. There's no fear of her, and there's no plans for some coup d'état. Everyone proceeds as normal, knowing she's the one painter that isnt trying to oppress then.
How many voices r u hearing right now
Im not a versofag
she's the one painter that isnt trying to oppress then.
play the piano, piano man
sirene's dress
only thing there is a giant snake
french metaphors are strange
There's implication it's true, at least, and nothing to counter it
The counter is that Lune and Sciel still have rapport with Verso, even though there wouldn’t be reason to if Alicia was there. They clearly still have autonomy over their lives and decisions, and anything to do with their self determination in Maelles world is still pure conjecture.
media illiteracy is missing the massive gnostic themes, and then thinking the Demiurge is right
Clea won't force sissy out after total writer death
You think they wouldn't be the least bit wary about someone who can gommage you- or fucking PAINT OVER YOU?
I'm not implying they're going to rebel you fucking strawman arguer, I'm saying they couldn't possibly because she's a fucking god who can do worse than kill you.
They HAVE to go along with her shit. If she says you're sitting next to her to watch Verso's 19th piano recital, guess what you're FUCKING DOING.
Do we have any idea how old Alicia and Verso were when the fire happened?
I think it's more likely that Goblu was meant to be Clea referencing something that Alicia knows from outside the painting. Like how Monoco is named after their family dog.
You think they wouldn't be the least bit wary about someone who can gommage you- or fucking PAINT OVER YOU?
Only instance where Maelle would do that is if you actively try and destroy the canvas and kill everyone inside. But now why would anyone go and do that
But Maelle was the one with episodes whole game kek
Anon, you need to stop projecting and introducing your own headcanon. Its a JRPG, not a WRPG.
I did say family kids.
Does anyone else think paint Verso could’ve been completely different personality wise from original Verso
It is alluded to with how Painted Renoir is different from his non painted counterpart.
Even Alicia was different since Aline focused on torturing the poor girl even inside the painting.
the simple fact that Maelle can remove any painted person's free will means she can do it to anyone. Did she do it to anyone besides Verso? Unclear. BUT Lune did say she wanted to keep exploring and there's the light implication Maelle told her the (possible) lie of painting the real world as a Canvas within the Canvas to keep her going.
Pure conjecture, obviously, but I believe Maelle's trauma would cause her to force anyone who tried to leave to stay and be happy in Lumiere.
How so?
sit next to Maelle at the piano show because she said you will
don't enjoy the 199th one as much as the others, they're getting a tad stale
smile falters for a moment because of this thought
maelle now feels her environment isn't as she wants it for her verso torture
paints over the bits she doesn't like
you're now enjoying the 200th piano show just as much as the first
because she made it so
And FUCKING EVERYONE KNOWS THIS.
You are superimposing your conjecture of Maelle being a tyrant and coercing those around her to be her puppets. Nothing in the ending even marginally alludes to this aside from her forcing Verso to live out a natural life to placate her grief. No one aside from Verso, who wishes to die, is visibly anguished and is living in bliss. This is what the ending presents to us.
And no, she cannot "paint over" them which is a fact explicitly laid out before the Painted Clea battle.
Maellesisters, not like this...
Verso was 26, I assume Alicia was 16
Nice fanfic scenario
Versofags confirmed for schizos
And no, she cannot "paint over" them which is a fact explicitly laid out before the Painted Clea battle.
What? No, Painted Clea explicitly lays out that they CAN be painted over. They may then be able to resist but briefly, but it's a difficult thing to do. Then if Clea were around she could just do it again.
we never get confirmation that they tell everyone it was maelle tho
she could also just delete them and remake them to be more aligned to her wishes
Checks out
how is the painted world any less real than the one the painters come from?
tfw MaelleCHAD consolefag
Guys hear me out.
I was really convinced by the Verso ending too but then I replayed the game and something startled me.
In Verso's ending, Gustave is not waving at Alicia, but beckoning her.
The man that she cared for most as Maelle is calling her over. To join him in death. That's like the opposite of a hopeful ending. Maelle ends up the litteral parallel to painted Verso in hers. Trapped in a life she doesn't want wishing she could die.
There is fairly high chance Maelle will kill herself in the future and is strongly hinted by the writers.
I just looked at a plot synopsis of this game, looks like it's all melodramatic bullshit with a set of awful endings to choose from. You also can't romance the teenager and the combat is some JRPG slop with a parry window.
Are there any redeeming qualities to this game?
What? No, Painted Clea explicitly lays out that they CAN be painted over.
You are misreading my post. MAELLE cannot paint over another's creation. Lumiere and all its citizens are Aline's creations and therefore Maelle lacks the capacity to paint over them. Clea can do it. Maelle cannot. That is the point being asserted here.
In the painted world, you can live alongside gods. In human form.
That's the only difference.
And all the horrible, horrible implications of that.
Could I get a link and timestamp for it? I would very much appreciate it!
right leaning
atheists/nihilists
Hmmmm
Confirmed for not having played the game but simply watched some scum streamer.
It's stated that Clea is a prodigy paintress and the ONLY one who can paint over another person's creation.
so of course the majority of people here are going to side with Verso.
proof that this is the case?
Maelle already died in Act 2. You need to let go.
Ah you meant Maelle specifically.
Sorry, I thought that point was obviously irrelevant, given that Lumiere is Maelle's recreations from chroma. They're her paintings now. Not Aline's.
Dude you're posting this schizo babbling in every thread for two weeks already
Give it up
if i keep posting it, maybe it'll be true
cope on, cope on
16 and 25. It's safe to assume that Maelle is the same age as Alicia and we see Verso's age from the tombstone.
Hey Guillaume! Look at this faggot who chose the Maelle ending
she literally painted over Verso
no
don't play this game and don't come to CO threads either, it's not worth it
Maellecunts on gommage watch
Real Renoir is so based.
you already posted this
Y'all
Does real world time not advance when ur inside there?
Cuz if we go back to Monolith Year 49 she wouldn't be born yet so was she born in a fire?
I'm getting senile
Both Renoirs are.
Painted Renoir speaks clearly about being painted with morunful feelings of the original Verso.
And he fights desperately to save his family.
Both Renoirs are 11/10 best characters in the game (after Esquie)
They are not recreations. They are reconstructed from the dispersed chroma which was previously under Renoir's dominion. .
that only seems to inspire the concept of the expeditions. the actual backdrop of the magical canvas, the internal struggle of the painters' family, and a larger conflict with a sworn enemy seems like a carbon copy of amber.
Fair enough, I will do exactly that. Good advice.
my understanding is that either Painters are some demigods irl or the time passes much slower inside
Maelle explicitly states she cannot do this with old chroma, only people who were just gommaged.
Gustave was never gommaged.
He didn't die by a nevron, either.
time moves faster within the Canvas, but it still advances in the real world, as "being inside for too long" implies
I wish there was more Clea. Unironically the most beautiful and based Dessendre family member.
Actually went in when her dad went in and her parents fractured the world. Met up with Expedition 0, told them they're all a bunch of a painted cunts. Then slaughtered them for not agreeing with her plans except Verso and Renoir because they were immortal.
It's actually amazing how much influence she's had on the main plot because of how much she fucked with the painting in the past.
Time passes faster inside.
So could Verso commit standard suicide to escape the piano mines?
This is completely bullshit.
I watched the whole thing and he never hinted at it being the bad ending.
Quite literally the opposite actually.
He kept on indirectly hinting that indeed, the painted people are indeed real.
He actually said this 2 times:
[...] the connexion between an Artist and its Art
I think it makes it pretty clear the Maelle ending is indeed valid
escapism
how is it escapism? how is the painted world any less real than the one they originally come from?
yeah I messed up I think
like 10 years inside is like 1 year irl or something
This is why ACT III and the whole Descendre family feud ruins the entire game. I dont want to argue whether Maelle or Verso is right, while disregarding the expeditioners agency in the matter. Just wanted to Paintress to be the baddie and give hope to Lumiere after beating her. Fuck this game and it wanting to subvert expectations for the sake of it.
Casually waits in an abyss under the monolith for 67 years to save his wife and family
wins
The most based man.
Painted Clea makes clear he actually could, including bypassing immortality.
Which is fucking weird.
I assume Maelle would just repaint him though.
Also repopulated the world with more nevrons than every other race combined. And near-deleted her painted copy because it offended her. And turned a human into an absurd monstrosity, solely to slaughter an axon that also offended her. And created her own playpark, including a recreation of both parents.
The better ending is the one with more dead painters. All other considerations are irrelevant.
it's mentioned like 4 times that Renoir upgrades pictos... that isn't in the game
Their weapons are also pictos.
yeah why didn't they just give us a bog standard Kill God JRPG story like we've seen a million times and complain about every time
The painted world is dependent on the actual world for survival. The painter God can die from just staying in it and neglecting themselves.
That's why.
It really did reduce anyone not from maelles family to nothing
painted Verso is immortal and has no painting power
I'm of the opinion that Maelle's ending is in fact a denial that the painted people are real, while Verso's is an affirmation/proof.
Expedition 60 preparing for their voyage
If they had done that, then maybe I would have bought the game. I can't stand this tragic garbage.
If they did that, I could see Lune's smiling face without having Verso fags saying there's a possibility she's mind controlled. I'd rather live in that world
LET THE GALAXY BURN
I assume Maelle would just repaint him though.
I assumed Maelle did repaint him
cmon verso, its piano time
whats this, killed yourself again?
but you love piano time
too bad your chromas still around
cmon verso, its paino time
You are disregarding context. "Old chroma" as defined by the chroma wasting away in the corpses of the expeditioners slain by Nevrons. They presumably cannot be revived. Painted Renoir killed expeditioners like Gustave so that their chroma would return to The Paintress. Gommage is not a prerequisite for restoration. Even Verso before he lost his mind wanted Aline to revive Julie, who he killed, as he felt everyone deserved to live .
ok
Yeah, all the characters from outside the painting are assholes. I wish the game had a star ocean 3 ending.
The painter God can die from just staying in it and neglecting themselves.
Doesnt matter, Verso is dead yet his world is still there.
It has to be faster than that. The fracture has been going on for 67 painting years and Verso has been around for about 100. It has to be something like one day outside equals one year inside, or even longer.
He's not just bored there, either.
As well as inflicting his annual gommage and never once missing the date, he also paints his own creations, rebuilds his axons, and absolutely fucking DESTROYS Simon, including permanently maiming his right arm, before casting him into the abyss because he can't be fucked with the distraction interrupting his painting any longer.
AND controlling an aspect outside the monolith, though limited, which is significantly more capable than Aline could do. Aline's version couldn't interact at all while in the manor, and at the base of the monolith could only open a door. Hers was far weaker the further away from her it was, but Renoir's was unaffected.
subvert expectations
nigga it's jrpg, the obvious big bad wolf is almost never the true villain/final boss
expedition 60 sending off one guy to swim back to the city while everyone else marches on
A baby can die if their parents neglect it
The baby is escapism
Just walk away and let it die and face the real world
What kind of logic is this? lel
I mean it still ended up being about killing God. Only with the twist that the Paintress isn't God, but the canvas is.
Clair Obscur 2
The devs confirm that the Maelle ending as the canon one
One of the main plot events is Clea entering the canvas to get Alicia out of it
Alicia became the new paintress, she has total control on the canvas and his inhabitants
Every character you liked and loved in the first game now sides with her and became guardians of the painting, which you need to kill in order to get to her
Not aerodynamic enough.
which is why Verso is the correct ending for all true JRPG fans, since it's a creation fighting God for his right to free will
Instead we got boring family drama for the zillionth time.
Sidestepping a story about the survival of a civilization for morose, petty family squabbles is a huge downgrade.
He actually also presumably tries to paint over Simon repeatedly over the course of years. In Simon's journal he writes that he keeps having to fight Renoir's influence over his mind to the point he eventually just loses it I guess.
Story is essentially
would you press a button that killed everyone but your family or press a button that killed your family but spared the rest
How trite.
Luckily I like Clea more than just about anybody but Esquie so I have no problem cutting them down.
youtube.com
Aline is too sad too do anything
build around shields
Simon fucks my shit up
build without shields
simon fucks up my poorly built characters
JUST
I figured that was Clea's doing, actually.
She's the one that transformed him into a monster, then fucking abandoned him.
every character in the game that's coming to kill you has no other emotion other than happiness
everyone can only smile
even when they die themselves they smile
all because Maelle wants everybody to be happy at all times
Guillaume:
actually the movie that was my main inspiration for the script was La La Land
how so?
Why would I give a shit about some arrogant god who views you as less than shit
fuck that nigga and his entire family
that one gestral beach challenge that was ever only completed by a expeditioner 60 and they refused to accept bathing suit as a reward since it was a clothing
in absolute awe of those turbochads
I've already seen this debate, dressed in other vests...
The main character is literally me
Nope, Verso takes it upon himself to decide that painted people like him should just die for the sake of his depression. His route is the worst one, and noncanon too.
okay but did soulboyverso actually want to die or what and how sentient are they because i feel like that's important in tipping the scales on who was right at the end
They were both bad.
I feel like the devs have no idea what it would be like living alongside a god.
They just have a naive view of "hey my friend's a god, how cool!" and they legitimately, genuinely, wrote the story to be a genuine happy end for all, albeit at the cost of Verso and Maelle's health.
I honestly can't see them seeing that ending for the way they see it, because they think the endings are equivalent.
siding with God in a JRPG and denying your own free will
bad end
That's all you get out of Verso's character? Maellefags really are retarded.
fuck that entire family I hope the writers get em
Boy meets girl
Clea "outta my way Writer fucking shits" vs Maelle totally lost in the sauce
I'd play that
they'll write the forbidden word and it's over
this is outright the dumbest post I've seen about this whole thing
They're rather sentient.
Every soul fragment (every faceless ghost bar the ones that are literally Aline and Renoir) speaks about the events of the past but also the present, as well as stuff like Clea's visits and painting power.
They know a lot, but are forgetting some depending on the fragment, like the one that only recalls Re and Cle.
Those fragments seem content with the painting itself, but not what other painters have done to it. He's tired of dealing with their shit.
Whether or not he'd be tired of it if he were able to restore it without their constant invasions, who knows? But he also knows their invasions are constant.
yeah that's cool and all except they already say she's busy with the writers
dead painted people are real people bro
that means enslaving your brother and killing yourself are justified
Sciel accepted it and Lune didn't have an argument, so at least 50% of the painted people approved
Simon teaches you to either git gud for hours and hours or go full glass cannon and wreck him in a few turns.
Do you think Maelle has the guts to at least let Verso die of old age or will she cope out and de-age him or make him immortal again when his time inevitably comes?
Nobody is freed in verso's ending. Renoir and Aline have sex and tell Alicia, who is still maimed and voiceless, to fuck off. and Clea goes to do Clea things while still being cold to her sister.
Isn't she sitting next to child Verso?
not glasscannonmaxxing Maelle and nuke everything with one hit with Stendahl
baka desu senpai
Real Verso is alive
but he is drafted to the Great War instead
he either get kill, horribly maimed, and/or suffer PTSD
Is Verso dying early on really that bad?
She can paint again, but with her own soul this time
hello Maelle time for you to go into the painting and help our parents stop this silly stalemate
okay sis
I already helped by creating a race of monsters to kill all the people in there
oh okay so they're killing them quickly, efficiently, and with as little pain as possible?
no
what?
one of them is a giant sea creature type monster that can devour them completely alive it's great
what the fuck Clea?
Love me some Clea lads.
Thank you! :D
Directed by Niel Druckmannn
Also Clea is now really muscular and your other party members are gay and trans
Verso frees himself and the remainder of the painted people from the petty whims of a god who sees them merely as puppets to play with for her own comfort
Pretty sure that's implied to be Lune's kid. Same colours, sits next to Lune, and Lune is affectionate with him.
Someone nutted in my goddess
They're also going to have to get over Verso quick and go to war against the Writers. Death, death and more death await them.
She lives an entire life in there, surely she'd overcome her grief at some point or at least go numb to it.
She's not gonna watch her brother die again. He'll have to live until she kicks the bucket.
I have trouble understanding it
Who is the Renoir we see in the beginning who kills the crew? A version made by the Paintress to "protect her"? And the manor guy is the real Renoir who wants to "kill" the paintress to get his wife out?
What if Alicia is too inexperienced to maintain the canvas overall stability and it ends up merging with the real world?
frees
kills himself
heh good one lil bro
Devs have no plans for a sequel nor DLC.
It's over.
hey my friend's a god and they're saving all the people i miss dearly alongside everyone else who i had to grieve over
that is pretty cool
Alpha female energy.
Ye
god I fucking hated that movie
Whiplash was 5/5 but this shit was ass
better to die free than live a slave
you have to go back to being a burn victim in constant pain and mute because.....
YOU JUST HAVE TO
10000 YEARS MORE
my dead husband, Pierre?
yeah Maelle never met him, or certainly doesn't know the conversations and subtle gestures he only has and does behind closed doors
she did paint a man with his name and face, but he doesn't do those things
she only painted what she thought of him
I'm supposed to think this is cool and not horrifying
Sciel is tortured.
didn't they nerfed that shit? doesn't gommage do more damage now?
Good because most times a story works best when it is told and left alone. Let the team make something else, a spiritual successor or something entirely new. A lot of the team like Elden Ring and the director likes DMC, so perhaps a full action game or at least ARPG.
He is one of the orphans seen at the prologue. Maelle is at the docks with a few of them.
It doesnt need a direct sequel, hopefully we get FF style sequels in a different universe
good, I want them to do something new
Oh...
true, that's why it's nice that she doesn't have to know someone to un-gommage them
also
can't complain because then I'll be more than just scenery
I'll be distracting the god from her obsession, Verso
so she'll paint over me so I can't do that any more
alternatively, gommage and repaint me
Ah but dont worry bro. She can just repaint a new canvas and get lost in that one for years. Why she cant stay in the current one with Lumiere? erm......
To complete he says
jdg : there's no moment in the game where they discuss the nature of their own existence, no discussion about "are you real?"
guillaume : there's a lot of information in the subtext and how the characters talks to each other and that's how you're suppose to interpret it. Also there's lot hidden in the dialogue of the side content area which explain the realtion that Painter have with their creation. So your premise is wrong
The only thing this says is that maybe painted people are "real" however you want to define it. It doesn't really change that Maelle ending is pretty bad anyway, the only thing it changes is that now both ending are bad, but one is hopeful while the other is despair : Maelle's ending is basically death : death of Maelle herself, death of verso's creation, death of the people of lumiere by what seems to be lost of free will, and "art" death since the painting basically got defiled while Verso's ending is good for the painters but means the end of the painted people, although the "force ghost" at the end kinda indicate that Maelle/Alicia becomes the inheritor of their will, they didn't just disappear like you would erase a drawing, because they live through Alicia now.
Who is the Renoir we see in the beginning who kills the crew?
Fake Renoir
A version made by the Paintress to "protect her"?
Eventually.
It started as just a fake cope parody family after real Verso's death.
Eventually Aline was separated from fake Renoir as a result of the family feud, to which Fake Renoir and Verso started the expeditions and learned the truth of their reality.
Fake Renoir doesn't care he's a fake, he just wants his family back together, including Aline.
And the manor guy is the real Renoir who wants to "kill" the paintress to get his wife out?
The Curator is real Renoir, fighting the Paintress, his wife IRL Aline.
If he defeats her, she'll be expelled from the canvas and sent back to the real world.
source for this fanfic pls
Was there anything about Writers in the game other than them being Capulets to Painter's Montagues and somehow responsible for the fire?
Painted Clea
Pierre wasn't gommaged
They just have a naive view of "hey my friend's a god, how cool!"
Not going to lie. I feel most of you are being rather hyperbolic about this. The Expeditioners can "kill" the supposed "gods" in question. At any time. They felled both Renoir and Aline, who vastly outclass a novice like Maelle on every observable metric. If she cannot repaint them, she has no power over them. And unlike Renoir, she evidently needs to make physical contact with a Lumerian in order to Gommage them. Her supposed "godhood" or "divinity" is critically overstated by Verso proponents.
I wouldn't treat any real life history as canon unless specified by the game. The verso ending scene shows the date of death as 33th of December and there is magic in form of the painter powers.
FOR WHAT IS A MAN, WHAT HAS HE GOT?
IF NOT HIMSELF, THEN HE HAS NAUGHT
TO SAY THE THINGS HE TRULY FEELS
AND NOT THE WORDS OF ONE WHO KNEELS
THE RECORD SHOWS I TOOK THE BLOWS
AND DID IT MY WAY
What'd you expect? Anon Babble is some of the most degenerate faggots out there. Of course they choose the escapism ending. It's literally Marche all over again.
Can someone give me the best builds for lune and monoco? I have the Joyaro on Monoco
They felled both Renoir and Aline
Maelle did.
I genuinely wish I agreed with this.
Please convince me.
I'd like to think the only downside to the Maelle ending is her health, other than Verso's awareness.
I am genuinely asking you to convince me.
That's nothing, wait until you meet my good friend Simon
Aline was immortal.
Painted Renoir too.
Renoir left of his own volition.
They cannot be defeated without a painter gommaging them.
Alicia cannot be defeated by them.
Lumiere and its people are 100% as real as any other reality so the ethical player would choose to save them. Also this is the canon ending.
Who's to say the next reality above is "more real"? I bet they're all living in the Matrix as well.
Thanks, wasn't sure I got it right
The Expeditioners can "kill" the supposed "gods" in question. At any time. They felled both Renoir and Aline
You do realize Expedition 33 is a product of one or the other Painter holding their hands throughout their journey?
Defeating Aline was a result of Renoir's and Clea's designs.
Defeating Renoir's was Alicia's.
You can't honestly believe painted Creations can go any further than the Painters let them LMAO
I would love it if the second game was from the perspective of a writer family.
Instead of a painted world it would be a written world and the bigger plotline is the fight against the painters with a furious Clea in the lead.
they nerfed it by 40% but it still kills Simon in one hit if you got correct luminas
Gommage is lvl 3 gradient attack, Stendhal is regular attack and you can use it twice in the row if you use cheater and, Last Chance and the "play immediately if HP drops below 10%" lumina, combine it with autodeath, break on death and breaking skill on the other character, you kill almost any 3 enemies without them even giving them a chance to act
The ending to Maelle is pretty simple and straight forward. There are no signs that these people are "clones" or whatever. It's intentionally kept vague enough to basically define that whatever a painter does relies mostly on intent and preserving essence.
So if Maelle decides to restore the people of Lumiere they will magically appear from all the chroma again just as she intended. They will be exactly the same people, not recreations. It's like her uttering a wish saying she wants all the Lumiere people back and that will be exactly what happens.
Shit I didn't understand:
why were some of the nevrons white? Were these just aberrations that Clea failed to fully paint?
How did Gustave lose an arm?
Why did Gustave's sister and Sophie have the same face?
Who made the mimes?
What caused Clea to once play with Francois and now just genocide everything?
How big were previous expeditions that there could be 10 million dead expeditioners everywhere?
Why did Gustave's sister, Clea and Sophie have the same face?
Ftfy
A few things
Aline and Renoir don't have full control of the Canvas when you fight them, Maelle would
the Expeditioners had Real Renoir and Verso on their side against Aline, and Verso, Alicia, AND Aline against Renoir
we know outright that she has already painted over Verso if not repainted him entirely, since she removed his scar
Aline and Renoir were both severely weakened by their extended time in the Canvas, and from fighting each other (maybe the Expeditioners could take Alicia after a century or two, I dunno)
If we take combat abilities to be canon, she no longer needs to touch people in order to gommage them after becoming Alicia again (she only needs to touch them when she's just Maelle, and she needs Curator-Renoir's help/guidance)
Defeating Renoir's was Alicia's.
Also Aline coming back for a Kaiju fight.
Aline: "Go home Renoir, Go Paint something else"
Did they really? Thought they just looked similar
NG+ resets journal entries
fug
>why were some of the nevrons white? Were these just aberrations that Clea failed to fully paint?
Simple failures.
>How did Gustave lose an arm?
No clue. I don't think it was stated but may be wrong.
>Why did Gustave's sister and Sophie have the same face?
Double AA game so reused models with slight alterations.
>Who made the mimes?
No clue.
>What caused Clea to once play with Francois and now just genocide everything?
She was a kid then who played in the canvas together with kid Verso. She also doesn't think the painted people are actually alive. She needs her parents to get out so she's genociding all the people in there while at the same time trapping their chroma so Aline gets weaker and weaker. She also automated the entire process so she can take care of things in the real world too.
>How big were previous expeditions that there could be 10 million dead expeditioners everywhere?
Pretty big. Probably not 10 million but it's stated that the first expeditions had tons of people but those obviously diminished over time.
>How did Gustave lose an arm?
I think it's mentioned he had an roof accident or something like that
>Why did Gustave's sister, Clea and Sophie have the same face?
It's unintentional, lead artist got asked this of there was a meaning to Gustave/Sophie being similar to Verso/Clea and said he used the same base model for them and probably left leftovers, ceo confirms it by saying there's no "meta-lore"
Yes.
Doesn't matter. Could be engineering accident or anything else.
Because Clea painted them this way.
Idk, who cares, not important. They look like Gestrals so maybe Verso as a kid for his and Clea's fun "adventures".
Growing up.
Big. First expedition was just a search and rescue, but later ones were literal ARMIES to fight the Paintress. But then slowly numbers dwindled.
Well the only reason why we got to the Monolith is because the Curator (Renoir) made us a weapon to pierce the barrier out of the two Axons.
So yeah it's still up to the Gods to decide how far painted people get to killing them.
>why were some of the nevrons white? Were these just aberrations that Clea failed to fully paint?
White Noire, called Blanche, in the fountain explains this fully. They were mistakes, simple as that, except itself. Blanche was made intentionally for its purpose differed to the Noires- it was created to kill the other mistakes, then itself. But, because itself was a mistake, it couldn't bring itself to do it.
>How did Gustave lose an arm?
Unexplained
>Why did Gustave's sister and Sophie have the same face?
Devs thought they were hot, probably.
>Who made the mimes?
Unknown, mostly a meme.
>What caused Clea to once play with Francois and now just genocide everything?
Clea and Verso played in the painting as kids (we know this for fact)- Verso played with Esquie and Clea with Francois whenever they weren't playing together.
>How big were previous expeditions that there could be 10 million dead expeditioners everywhere?
Half of the population of Paris survived the fracture. Those people kept having kids. Many people soldier age (especially while the number was high) went out, first to save the other half of Paris' population, then destroy the Paintress. That's a fuck lot of people.
Did it reset your music record collection, too?
They actually answered this: the chara artist used the same based model for budget reasons
retards arguing which ending is the correct one
director said he left it ambiguous and didn't want to delvier a clear cut message
That works that become iconic and stir up passions are often the ones ambiguous like that and that it's pretty much on purpose that he wants people to argue which ones is valid
You retards are being played like a fiddle by the damn Devloppers just like the Painters with Lumiere.
whats lunes best weapon and what are dark stains
The Expeditioners can "kill" the supposed "gods" in question. At any time.
Thank Gustave for making the lumina convertor. It's clearly out of the ordinary
The white ones are the ones you do quests for and they're all unfinished and await their creator to give them purpose.
Unknown I think.
As the other anon said, Clea too. It might tie into a theory some have that Sophie is meant to be Clea painted by Aline and Gustave is Simon, as both are missing the same arm.
I am unsure because Clea would be wasting time if it were, as would Renoir and Aline wouldn't make hostile freaky mimes but they are found throughout the world.
She is older and doesn't care for childish games anymore. She looks at the Paintings with a more cold outlook than her family, especially during the game as her method of grieving is fighting the Writers.
Certainly not millions but the earliest ones would have had plenty, well into the tens of thousands. Lumiere is notParis after all.
dark stains
heavy flow
You will be remembered, Gommaged Minerchad
For Monoco i use:
Agilty: Abbest wind
Blanaced: twitchy flower knight from the visage area
Heavy: earthquake big guy from fallen leaves
Caster: anchor dude
Allmighty: Ultimate sakapatae
Abbest is amazing if you use Nusaro and have nergizing turn, as it is always free AP and gives you good mask control. I'm not sure it is worth it with Joyaro.
bros, am I gay if I'm preparing my builds to fight Simon instead of just one shoting him with maelle?
No
goddamn video game developers making good video games with engaging stories that are fun to discuss, they can't keep getting away with it
lumina convertor
Another thing a Painter "allowed" to happen. Gustave is Clea's creation painted for exactly that purpose - to empower Expedition 33 for success against Aline.
Dark stains can only be produced by weapons that mention them, and it also explains how.
They can't be consumed for spells.
Only way to get rid of them is to overfill the stain limit and remove the oldest ones in the process.
Maelle did.
Not alone, she did not. Verso alone is enough to vanquish her.
Not possible, anon. You have to reach that conclusion yourself after taking into account all of the facts.
"They cannot be defeated without a painter gommaging them."
Sorry, but you just made this up on the spot.
This is not even a rebuttal. You are stating that because the path was partially carved for them that it invalidates their ability to topple a painter. What point are you even trying to illustrate with this? Gustave's Lumina Converter is an actual true product of Lumerian ingenuity to fell a "god."
Absolutely beautiful vidya meta-misdirection.
yeah there is no way gustave can die, he is the protagonist and more than that, just look at all these skills I haven't even unlocked yet
Then he dies anyway.
But it doesn't even stop there. After Maelle repaints Sciel and Lune and necromanced all those past expeditioners, you kind of can't help but think that Maelle will somehow find a way to repaint or even paint a new kind of Gustave for the ending act. And then he'll have his skills unlocked.
But then you play through both ends and Gustave never comes back.
He dies even though he has locked skills. And he doesn't come back like the others even though he has locked skills.
Beautiful. I genuinely applaud the devs. Even though Lune, Maelle, and Sciel all have full skill trees that you can potentially unlock in Act1 while you still have Gustave, Gustave's skilltree is full of locks even though he could have had a full skill tree as well. They chose to simply leave his skill tree tiny and then fill it with deceptive locks.
No. You're an Expedition 60 chad.
Thank fuck for that, then. At least the journals are easy to spot out. Records are just purple loot.
Cheesing Simon is gay shit for queers so no.
Remember to prep all 5 characters.
This was gay. Everything you're praising them for? It's actually gay and ruined the story.
Gustave's Lumina Converter is an actual true product of Lumerian ingenuity to fell a "god."
you didn't play the game
most weapons that give dark stains also give you a way to spend them, IIRC
I only have 2 characters with less than 250 lumina, is it enough?
Are you assuming that we don't enjoy this discussion?
"Oh no for once a video game actually has a good story with room for discussion. I'd rather have a shitty story with 1 ending."
Expedition 60
builds
true 60er needs only his left fist and his right fist
Video Game devs are the strongest caste of artist
combine powers of the writer, painters, musician and all the other arts
A Life to Paint
A Life to Love
hurr which one is the good one??
Can you even make builds that aren't glass cannons? The alternative is avoiding and parrying everything he does.
All these zoomers who didn't even play the game, only watched their favorite streamer
I don't see it that way. No painter painted the lumina converter. It's proof that the painted are alive, that they have genuine ingenuity and can make inventions that rival even their creators. That's not something that mere npcs would be doing
All of mine were 180-220, you'll probably be fine.
you didn't play the game
You didn't refute the post.
monoco
dualliste
demineur's lightning blast
sakapatate stab (the one that does more damage if they're stunned)
Nothing else matters. Those three create a perfect loop for optimising as many dualliste attacks as possible.
lune
the two all-element skills and 100% crit rate
nothing else matters
before that, you want the second to last fire attack that does more damage the more times you cast it
It was a bad decision to kill him. Only people who praise are the ones who like plottwists for the sake of plottwists.
I'm assuming that a lot of retards here are trying to find an answer to a question that don't have one. Doesn't mean the discussion can't be interesting, but too many people are hellbent on finding "the one" and it's stupid
lol
Those are both bad endings. A Life to Dream is the only good ending.
So Maelle needed to gommage Aline to get her out yes? So how did Maelle end up dying without being gommaged? Especially being the only painter left in the canvas. She'd have access to all the chroma at that point.
Nobody was able to gommage her at that point and she could've used all the chroma at her disposal to do anything. Was it just because she was a shitty paintress?
Never would've happened to Clea that's for sure.
When does she say this i cant find it
DLC when?
"They cannot be defeated without a painter gommaging them."
Sorry, but you just made this up on the spot.
No, both PRenoir and Aline were killed by gommage.
Aline made them immortal, gommage bypasses it.
Renoir wasn't even defeated, he left.
Then they went and gave all his weapons no skills. That's when I knew something was going to happen. Everyone else was getting new weapons but every one you picked up for him was blank, and oddly the exact wrong element for the area where you acquire it.
tfw spent 2+ hours building my glass cannon Maelle just to be called queer on the 4channel
fuck you I beat him in 2 hits fair and square
I don't really see that line of discussion very often.
People call the other side retarded or delusional just because thats the tone of this website, not because they claim objectivity.
Because the canvas was destroyed
Neither did you. Your original point was that Creations can topple Maelle at any time but then you conceded that they need (atleast partial) help of another Painter. So they can't do it on their own and would need help of another Painter, end of argument.
My headcanon is all of the postgame content is alicia dreaming it to cope with losing it. Verso's ending is canon
that was pretty sick
when shes taking on the axon in his fight
Look, parrybeasting and Maelle cheesing are two sides of the same coin. Both are pushing the game's mechanics to their limits. I just think cheesing that boss in particular takes a lot of fun out of the game.
I'd like people who actually played the game to reply please. She disappeared before the little boy stopped painting (if you even know who that is.)
Real Verso's soul ejected her
At the end of the day, even if they can topple a painter, the painter can just come back. Or end their world entirely without them being able to intervene at all. Imagine your entire world's destruction just being one fireplace away.
You didn't play the game.
especially being the only painter left in the canvas
you didn't play the game
she'd have access to all the chroma
you didn't play the game
nobody was able to gommage her
you didn't play the game
Holy shit you didn't play the fucking game.
Not that anon. But that's probably reading a bit too much into it.
I don't quite think Gustave's life was micromanaged to that degree. Nor do I think he was some "chosen one" with a specific mission by someone like Clea. He was genuinely just someone painted by Aline to propagate Verso's canvas with people to keep it full of life because Aline loves the canvas.
Sure. Everything in the canvas is painted by the painters. They've got influence on all the creations.
But Gustave growing up to join the expeditions and making something like the Lumina Converter to make the expedition historically more powerful than ever before. Is probably simply rather reminiscent of say, an AI Chatbot that you made, unexpectedly insulting your self-insert and ditching your ass.
Like it might not be an all too likely scenario depending on your AI Chatbot's configuration/AI-model, but it's probably possible. Even if you didn't deliberately guide it towards that outcome.
Like you could micromanage your AI Chatbot like mad and make it genuinely impossible for it to insult and leave you. But giving your AI some semblance of autonomy is likely desirable. The painters probably value "free will" to some extent. Even though it might inconvenience them some times.
Well the only reason why we got to the Monolith is because the Curator (Renoir) made us a weapon to pierce the barrier out of the two Axons.
i'm pretty sure at least two other expeditions made it to the monolith
I might have done Simon the right way but he deals like 10K damage every hit which one shots anyone in my party. I might have been OK with that and had to go full dodge and parry god but then his phase 2 attacks are much harder. I might have been OK with even that but then he wipes my party and forces me to play the weak reserve. This is when I went full glass cannon cheese.
TOTAL MAELLE VICTORY
For me the issue that pushed me to cheesing is the forced auto-kill in the last phase. I didn't really enjoy Monoco or Verso and ignored them the entire game. They were each 10 levels and 200 lumina points behind.
I was not going to spend multiple hours grinding to bring those up to par for 1 phase of 1 fight.
Auto Death and all the on death Luminas, especially Breaking Death
Urnaro
Lampmaster skill/Bruler skill
Dualiste skill/Mossoinneuse skill
Ultimate Sakapatate skill/Any AoE skill/Stalact skill
Creation Skill
Ramasseur skill
Bouchelier skill
If you don't have the boss skills, you focus on skills that fill up the breakbar. Breaking puts you into Almighty stance. Dualiste skill is abusable as fuck and does a shit ton of damage.
70 and 60, yes.
Neither of which is explained.
60 is just a meme that brute forced their way through a literal gommage barrier naked. Pure meme and should not be taken seriously.
70 isn't even attempted to be explained.
This undermines the game's point, not supports it.
Painted Renoir
Instantly recovered from their fight, required the Curator stepping in and Maelle to remove him from existence.
Aline
Already weakened by her deteriorating body in the real world. Still required Maelle's power to remove her from the painting.
Renoir
Also instantly recovered from their fight. Required Alicia and Aline teaming up to... get him to back off when his wife is about to collapse in the real world.
I dunno why you think the fucking Lumina Converter played any significant part in these "victories".
Renoir is explicitly stated to have all chroma in the canvas aside from the "old" chroma of expeditioners slain by Nevrons - and it did him no good.
I do not know that. Verso has canonically stated he can heal the scar at will. And the game itself denies she can repaint any creation that is not hers.
Not discounting that. But outlining it is very much possible for Expeditioners to kill a painter.
Fair enough point.
Not sure, anon. She needed to touch Alicia to Gommage her. This is not a hill I am going to die on, but both variances involved her making explicit physical contact.
unless you're Verso, then you better play the fucking piano
It was only 00 right? Them getting there is probably what made Aline set up the barrier.
Reminds me of the Men in Black ending.
I had a similar thought. Sure, everyone gets to live but there are no stakes when you basically have a GM who can use GM commands on your side. Imagine being a self-aware NPC in someones creative mode world.
I got her ending second and thought they made it too obvious it was the bad one given how the whole world had lost its colour, while the Verso one was plenty colourful.
How can you 2 hit ko simon? I always get Maelle to do like 70% damage on the first hit and then he kicks her out and i spent the next half and hour with my other members to defeat him.
If you at least make it to phase 3 legit I'll sanction the cheese. The additional swing per attack isn't a big enough difference for me to say you HAVE to grind it out. Getting to the party wipe makes wiping him in one shot fair I think.
looks like Jen English here
He CAN heal the scar, but he chooses not to due to its sentimental meaning, that's the whole point of the scene. The scar being removed is an outright confirmation Maelle has significantly changed him to better fit her own desire. The devs didn't make a whole new Verso head for that five minute scene just for the fun of it.
I do think they were trying to do something by having the endings be mirrored in a sense. Verso's ending shows you the negative side first (Lune's death glare) and then shows you the positive (the painter family seemingly moving on together). Maelle's ending shows the positive side first (everyone's alive again) and then shows the negative (Verso's anguish). The order makes a strong impact here. I think if Verso's side had somehow ended with that death glare, or Maelle's side had ended on the positive note, the discussion would be very different.
In that light, is it a triumph or a failure that people are so firmly divided on it?
With no cheese, it's pretty possible to get gradient tier 3 very quickly if you use "+15% gradient charge on crit" and sciel's AP battery and turn manipulator. Also her big buff and all the AP on buff to fully refresh the whole team at once.
Doing this you can get limit break 3 while Simon's still at 90%.
Monoco's limit break 3 instastuns him.
Even without a damage cheese setup, it's extremely easy to stunlock literally every enemy in the game.
I didn't get party wiped until Simon was at about 7% health, and I never dealt over 3m damage in a turn.
I did it pre patch but I respecced them into having max stats and scaling. Pictos and Lumina for more damage, crits, AP etc., forget defense and health. Make sure Sciel goes first, apply burning mark and then double damage on Maelle, who has extra damage to burning targets and starts on Virtuouse stance. Then she just hit Stendahl.
In that light, is it a triumph or a failure that people are so firmly divided on it?
In the interview, Broche say he's extremely happy that people are arguing like that and that's exactly what he was looking for.
So a success I guess.
yeah those two, and yeah i didn't take 60 seriously either but idk even if we don't know how 70 still did it
like the other anon said, 70 and 60
Lune is the worst character in the party so who gives a shit
Gee. I don't know. Let's read the lyrics to "Maelle" and "Alicia"
Maelle has A LIFE TO PAINT
Sweet erased star
Alicia has A LIFE TO PAINT
You know, while we are being dishonest with the meta bullshit you are trying to push to force your narrative. I do not have a stance on which is "good" or "bad" (there is no real answer to this question) but your reasoning is heavily flawed.
Yeah they fought right infront of real versos soul, she lost and he said its over sis
Do the same setup you use for 70% but just less. If it's Sciel 2x buff + Virtuose stance + Mark + Gommage, then maybe drop the mark for the first hit. Or be in offensive stance for 50% instead of 200%.
Thats reasonable. I was holding out in the last phase for a little bit and dodging really wasn't that much harder because the third sword comes down in the same rhythm. But my god my characters were hitting for like 7.000x5 damage as if it was pre-damage cap content.
There's even a pictos that gives you gradient charges for buffing. It's crazy how you fast you can fill up to lvl 3 Gradient attacks endgame.
whats lunes best weapon
The Braselim. Easily. I'll die on this hill.
This weapon is fucking incredible and in the running for not just being Lune's best weapon, but the best weapon period.
No, you are moving the goalpost to suit your narrative.
end of argument.
Correct.
this is a good ending
"b-b-but"
I used that for a while, but Kralim is fucking insane, anon.
Final bosses at level 45-50 were fucking exhilarating. Im glad i read to not do act 3 side content until after
Is FFTA worth playing bros?
If Gustave had lived, both the first and last fights of the game would have been Gustave vs Maelle.
So I think it can be left unsaid that there are furry painters out there as well then? Painting all sorts of NSFW furry canvasses?
outright confirmation
For you, yes. We are not going to agree here, and that's fine.
in the non canon Verso ending, what's stopping Maelle from painting a brand new canvas after getting kicked out of the Lumiere one, and staying in it until she dies. She's missing an eye, and has no voice. It's not farfetched to think that she would just escape through other means.
So basically Changed but goo replaced with paint?
I don't get it. What's so special about it. Critical chance you can get through pictos and lumina passives. Gradient charge is easy as fuck to get with the right passives as well. Then you're just left with 20% increased fire damage and that hardly seems worth it to me.
not terribly
Kralim is cool and all. Not claiming otherwise.
But being able to do Gradient3 attacks, on every single turn, with every party member. That's stronger.
Nothing. It's entirely possible she does that.
Her lack of skill.
Its extremely easy and you should ignore every retard that complain about MUH LAW. Its retardedly easy to bypass. It doesn't take much to break the game entirely with certain combo. Bangaa pussy > Viera pussy
Me too, anon. The last three bosses were actually rough and you had to learn their shit. Immediately after that, you break the game so fast with minimal act 3 exploration.
So what were Renoirs or Versos fight mechanics? I one shot every phase which was pretty sad.
A good game for its time.
All the hentai canvas being sold
Millions of anons dying inside canvases
Both an extremely cursed and extremely based headcanon
Gustave and Maelle have a friendly duel before the perilous expedition to save the world and decide their fate
Gustave and Maelle have a perilous duel to decide the fate of the world and are no longer friends
K I N O
It's FFTA shitposting for the new generation.
I bet the Alicia apologizers here picked the Hikki ending in Omori.
Never called it a "good" ending. Merely pointing out the "A Life to Love is CLEARLY what the defacto good end the devs were going for!" is unmitigated bullshit.
Because Verso canvas has SOVL (it literally has his soul in it and he was a really kind guy and created creatures like Esquie in it and Maelle is kinda of a cunt)
Renoir
go fight him in the last phase of the endless tower and you can see it
He's the hardest to read enemy in the entire game, bar none. Very, very difficult to parry.
verso
Nothing, really. He's just Gustave in this fight.
Darwinism at work.
If you're talking about the 1900s, all you're getting is Egyptian painters for their gods or japs and their kitsunes.
Imagine your favourite anime/manga/gacha artist selling a canvas filled with waifus for you to enjoy.
Happens during the scene "Maelle's nightmare"
CLAIR OBSCUR
For me it was this fucker. Get instantly set up on turn 1 to do one of your powered up skills.
Random stains from free aim shots are extremely strong and you can use a ton of pictos to refund AP from free aim shots (apply status effect, consume mark, hit weakness, etc...)
It's kinda lost in translation but this is driven home even harder in the french version since the last sentence of her farewell letter to him isn't even talking to him but to Maelle -the "You're not like your mother and father... what will you paint?" is "Tu es différente de ton père et ...". "Différente" being the feminine version of "unlike" in french so she's not talking to him-.
it kind of falls off when you can just get all four stains with the stain-on-crit attack
I used Benisim and spammed Elemental Genesis. It was pretty good.
isn't the entire letter addressed to Maelle? In both languages?
She also doesn't get angry about Verso letting Gustave die.
Did you even watch the scene? She's pretty fucking sad and upset about Verso letting Gustave die, it's just that there's no point fighting with him over it. It won't bring Gustave back
Then they ignored this and Maelle becomes her mother after killing Alicia.
in the non canon Verso ending,
Stop that.
what's stopping Maelle from painting a brand new canvas after getting kicked out of the Lumiere one
Absolutely nothing. This is Verso's suggestion to her before she is booted from the canvas. After all, he is about to die so her losing herself in another canvas is no longer is problem to pretend to care about. Which is why it is hilarious anyone considers this to be a "good" end with this looming implication. But it is subtlety and not a jump scare. so it flies beyond all midwit radars.
But that attack is an entire turn to set up, which this weapon doesn't need.
In the endgame I was using cheater pictos and doing 2x stain buffed lightning dances on enemies. Reducing that to 1x by having a setup turn is a massive damage loss.
Critical chance you can get through pictos and lumina passives. Gradient charge is easy as fuck to get with the right passives as well.
The gradient-charging lumina are limited in what they can do each turn. Except Charging Stun I suppose, butt hat lumina requires the enemy to be stunned. But ignoring Charging Stun;
Even with all the Charging Lumina equipped, you can't go from 0 to 3/3 in a single turn. But Braselim has no such restrictions. Braselim is as you always had a Charging Stun active, and without the enemy needing to be stunned.
And since it's Lune's weapon in particular. All party members can benefit from her Gradient-Charging effect. And that makes it the best weapon.
Verso ending has a mild implication that she might just fall into another Canvas
Maelle ending outright shows you she's already lost herself
THEY'RE THE SAME
what's stopping Maelle from painting a brand new canvas after getting kicked out of the Lumiere one
Well. Potentially her family. But ignoring that, it'd simply be the fact that Maelle got a literal reality-check from being forced back into reality.
She loves her family and her family loves her. I don't think that Alicia wants to hide in a canvas forever anymore.
Go die in a canvas
Just not this one
Verso fags...
tfw im 33
im gonna get gommage'd, bros.....
cast nothing but elemental trick into elemental genesis
third highest power of her weapons
strongest weapon fucks up genesis with dark stains, so this is second strongest used for her best attack
level 4 passive doesn't exist
level 10 passive gives literally free 20% boost to elemental genesis with cheater
further 80% boost if you get good
level 20 activates stuff like more damage on burning targets, more break damage on burning targets etc, for the entire party for literally free
My beloved.
See you at the gommage orgy bro
Maelle has a life to paint
Alicia has a life to paint
Yes, they are the same. Either way, she is going into the fucking canvas.
Lmao RIP unc you old ass nigga
t. 32
headcanon
Not completely, in french the masculine version of words is the default, also used when your talking to a group composed of men and women, so for it to have the feminine version means that at least this sentence is directly talking to Maellicia and not Verso.
No way, the part of the letter that is directly addressed to Maelle is talking to Maelle?
I keep replaying Act 1, it's so fucking good
Hey, if you headcanon that she has already lost herself and there is no hope of recovery, I can headcanon her odds of losing herself in another canvas are 110% :)
So I got this weapon for Maelle that add shields when you cast her skill that gives shell to allies, now I literally can't die haha, obviously it won't work with Zanzibart
Maelle is a cripple a decade away from WW1 she's not gonna have a good life.
It's you that's losing this in translation, ironically.
In english, the letter goes:
To Verso: hope you give this to Alicia.
To Alicia: the rest
So it's directly addressed to Alicia when she says what you're discussing.
But you didn't notice.
Fantasy France.
>Go die in a canvas
>Just not this one
Except that's not what he is saying.
All he is essentially saying is, get the fuck out of the pleasure-cube. But it's alright. It's alright. You've still got all the regular videogames you could ever dream of.
You don't wanna enter this discussion.
What are the consequences of canvas worlds in the political scene of early 20th century Europe?
It wasn't ignored. Verso chose not to give her the letter. By the time she did read it, it was way too late. That's the tragedy of it. Verso says that life forces cruel choices, but he himself is complicit in the fact that those were the only choices available. Why do you think Painted Alicia wanted nothing to do with Verso, the way she just tosses the letter aside and glares at him when she asks for death as if he's the reason she's lost all hope now, because he set them on that path.
In the english version it can be very easily misinterpreted as talking to Verso and since he's based on the memories of someone who had painter powers, you could easily think that he has some remnants of it.
Verso is such a piece of shit.
NTA, but that is LITERALLY what he means by
You'll never have to suffer a life you don't want. Not whatever bullshit you are trying and failing to sell.
I wish they could have had more interactions
This line felt so unbelievable cruel. "You will be lost inside this world for up to 21 years. Your mind will become fried from having lived two lifes and your real life body will also suffer over time.
I don't really feel like helping you out, so go suffer. Have fun :^)"
Aquafarm 3
Do you think the Dessendre are antisemitic as the Dreyfus affair was happening at that time?
Women shouldn't make decisions
This a good example of why
What are the chances Clea intended for this to happen?
Why do redditors like the verso ending so much more?
Guilt free genocide.
clea seems like a real jerk tbqh
God isn’t the one playing the piano anon
fuck off with this garbage "game"
Some of this game makes no sense. What was the point of Renoir and Verso starting the expeditions? At first I thought there was a need for them to cull people, recycle their chroma or something like that, but letting people leave Lumiere to be killed by Nevrons goes against their plans. It's stupid.
But that's exactly what Verso is saying. He figures she can just replicate a canvas world that will be just as intoxicating as this one, if not more. Hell, even Renoir said as much. It's not hard to get lost in the sauce. Verso's only motivation in all of this isn't to save his sister and be a hero, it's to kill himself
idk probably for the same reason that normal people will always try to stop someone close from roping
No, it cannot or are you looking at the line without context of the rest of the letter? Because that part is directly addressed at Maelle.
I feel like most events of the game could have been prevented if Clea gave a shit in that moment. Having Alicia also stuck inside the canvas really complicated things.
They didn't know.
They were created in Lumiere and went off to the monolith with expedition 0 to discover the truth.
Non-painted Clea slaughtered all of them, then realised three she could not.
She painted over P. Clea.
Then told P. Renoir and Verso the truth.
They are easily emotionally manipulated and gaslit into genocide. All you need to do is convince them Acts 1 and 2 do not matter by suggesting the canvas is not real, then give them 30 minutes of exposition before the credits to convince them the entire game is about the Dessendre family's grief and "moving on." Now they have the "media literate" take despite turning their brains completely off to reach this conclusion.
I seriously think that they rewrote this game midway through and that Gustave was going to end up being Verso essentially. Like Maelle being revealed as Alicia would be Gustave revealed as being Verso.
Verso's character feels odd and... off. The tone of the game just changes. The focus changes. In a way that invites speculation.
Verso's only motivation in all of this isn't to save his sister and be a hero, it's to kill himself
No. You're reading it far too black and white. If his -only- motivation was to kill himself. He could have assumed the role of the villain the moment the paintress was booted out of the canvas. But he didn't. Because he does genuinely care for his family. He still wants to die, but both can be true.
so you can't dodge simon attacks?
What was the point of Renoir and Verso starting the expeditions?
They didn't know the truth back then. They were just happily living in Lumiere with Aline and their family then the fracture happened, and Aline was missing so they needed to venture to the continent to search for her, along with other lumierians whose family got split off. That's why he said it was search and rescue at the beginning.
You can't dodge "reduce hp to one" or the gommage.
But the first one is irrelevant thanks to cheater + clea's life.
Whether the Verso ending is right or not, or neither and it's something deeper, it will also be the ending for dumb people. Meaning, every idiot (such as redditors) will always pick the Verso ending. The Maelle ending, again whether it's the right ending or not, will be picked by smart people. Not every smart person will pick the Maelle ending, but every moron will pick the Verso ending.
Maellefags reject every theme of the game
they reject the names of the endings
they reject a horror short in their ending
they latch themselves to the words of fading spirit of a little to boy justify choosing to ruff ink until they die
This is honestly hilarious.
He could have assumed the role of the villain
Why? They can't kill him
Maelle doesn't even erase him when he confesses he let Gustave die. Either she can't do it or Maelle is so dead and Alicia doesn't really give a shit about Gustave
I don't want this life
I don't want this life
I don't want this life
What the fuck was his problem?
The VA of eng gustave want to be Daredevil and he left early on
Maelle ending is just so much more memorable too
Renoir can.
Maelle is dead, that's why she's waving goodbye in the canon ending.
how much damage can Lune do?
He's a selfish me me me me me me me me cunt
No he couldn't have, Verso couldn't make any move until he had access to canvas limbo and could get rid of the last piece of Vergo's soul. That never opened up until the end there. So yeah, vergo just wanted to die and have zero fucks about anyone else
see and There 100% a massive change, though I think Verso would be a party member
What was the point of Renoir and Verso starting the expeditions?
Verso lies a lot. But what he said about the first expeditions were likely mostly true.
That they didn't know about the Paintress was most definitely a lie. At least for Verso and his painted family. But everything else he said about them were likely true. The fracture happened. That was never Aline's intention. And people were scattered all over the world, hurt, dead, or otherwise missing. And Aline and her painted family cared for these people. Didn't matter that they were painted creations. They were beloved.
And the world was also filled with all those Nevrons. Clea's creations. It was a mess out there. And Aline and her painted family probably only new tiny bits of the truth at first.
I think the story sucks. I liked the gameplay. Hopefully their next game is better.
9999 mental damage during Verso's ending
You’re right anon, the verso ending is completely pointless
They should’ve just not done any expeditions at all
It would’ve resolved itself
But generating an earth stain makes it so you can not use gensis
Go read a reddit thread
99% say they picked Maelle even if it's the bad ending because escapism good
Anons.. I...
No he couldn't have, Verso couldn't make any move until he had access to canvas limbo and could get rid of the last piece of Vergo's soul. That never opened up until the end there.
That's not true though. The fact that the breach towards the soul was open allowed Verso to take matters into his own hands after Renoir fucked off. But the intent of both Renoir and Clea is to destroy the canvas. Verso doesn't need to do shit if they win.
All Verso needed to do was make sure that all the obstacles for the canvas's destruction were out of the way, and they would have torched the canvas for him. The Paintress just needed to lose. If Verso had merc:d Maelle right there at the top of the monolith after they defeated the Paintress. He would have gotten the Oblivion desired.
They have LITERALLY stated their aim was an experiment of:
what if we did the standard JRPG god wanting to destroy the world for reasons irrelevant to the populace
but dressed them up humanoid
would people side with them?
It's objectively evil to genocide the act 1 and 2 experiencers. No matter which expedition they were from.
Yes soulboyverso is tired and fucking done with the canvas at this point. It was his childhood playground and has basically been destroyed by his family. The continent is broken up, like 90% of all gestrals are dead, there are murderous nevrons all over the place, and it's full of expeditioner corpses. He's over it all.
Go read a reddit thread
average versofag
Wild Fire
Thermal Transfer
Instant new turn
Elemental Genesis
I can easily say that if Maelle wasn't a 16 years old girl you fuckers would all talk about how Verso's ending is clearly the better one
As an outsider who hasn't invested any time, money or emotion into the game aside from a couple of shitposts after reading the plot synopsis of the game I can tell you that both of the endings are completely pointless. Nobody gets what they wants, it's a complete and utter waste of time. Nothing you did ultimately matters, and you have no future.
Why even argue? It's like discussing whose shit smells the least.
ops I was supposed to reply to you
Maelle was her own person, and Alicia killed her when she regained her memories, so she is just as bad
It's simple. Verso and the rest of the family suffer the most in Maelles ending and they are the villains.
I don't genocide people for a guy. I'm not a faggot
and Alicia killed her when she regained her memories
Retard-kun that was Renoir. Maelle was getting erased no matter what
The game itself never asks you this though. Maybe if it was Gustave, but both Verso and Alicia's are clear at that point, and none really care about the expedition or the people. Verso wants to die and save Alicia, and Alicia wants to escape from her shitty life.
Isn't the endings just a choice between personal feelings and principles?
Anon, he doesnt want to die, he wants his mother and then his sister to let him go. Verso isnt real. The entire canvas exists to that two retarded women can pretend verso is still alive. Verso picks her arguments apart by doing everything to make them want to kill him, knowing that they are incapable of killing him because the entire reason the canvas exists is to make it seem like verso is alive.
Yeah, Alicia co-opting Maelle's name and face implied she co-opted her opinions, but that's a lie.
Verso souls gets freed from being tormented from being trapped in the painting and Renoir stops his daughter and wife back.
verso just wanted to die
that's why he kept ignoring every chance he got and actively worked against his own supposed interest just to wait for this highly improbable event
Sure.
Anon, he doesnt want to die,
Yes he does retard
Yeah.
That's the point.
You know the genocide is present in one of those endings.
But you'll completely ignore it because of some humanoid distractions.
You failed the experiment.
Yeah. If I was going by feelings alone then I would pick Verso's ending. But by my principles I think Maelle's ending is less bad, so that's my choice.
Clea just has a sharp tongue. Literally right after this happens she goes into the canvas, meets up with painted Verso, and tells him to watch after Maelle. She does care deep down.
Verso souls gets freed from being tormented from being trapped in the painting
Why do retards say this shit? There's a piece of you in your art. That's all that nigger is. A metaphor.
Like how Fading Man is a piece of Renoir.
It's only based on principles if you're a stinky utilitarian
They were all dead except Lune already. Plus, it's a painting, it's not real anyway.
b-but Verso said they are!
He is a kid. Clea, an adult, disagrees.
how can there be a genocide if everyone is dead?
Yes he does retard
Not him. But the tragic thing about Verso is that he DOES want to be ALIVE. But he isn't alive. He is fake. And his make-believe existence is tearing apart and killing his family and he can't stand that.
I don't want this life
The key word here is "this".
Verso doesn't want to be fake. But he is. And it's at the expense of everyone he loves. And he is tired of being fake. And can't stand the ones he loves getting hurt because of his make-believe existence.
you die irl
go to heaven
angel laughs in your face
you were just a painting
gommages you
You're claiming you'd be okay with this.
that is how choices work, correct
Anon Babble would genocide people for a fench karen crying over her dead kid
fucking simps
Can't the painters create a piece called "multiverse" with untold quintillions of lives in it in an afternoon?
Sacrificing a few thousand to preserve even one of them seems like an obvious deal.
In what way?
If it happens, yeah. Isn't this our greatest fear, that once we die we'll just disappear?
I-it's just a metaphor bro
What? He was actively speeding up the process to delete the canvas and himself by fighting and beating Aline.
Probably not, chroma isn't unlimited
You're willing to accept nothing you experienced in your life was a genuine feeling, mattered in any way and was real?
Just because some dude you've never met before says so?
You're a fucking liar.
The gestrals aren't dead!
NOOOOOO THE DIGI- I MEAN PAINTED PEOPLE, IT'S GENOCIDE IF I DON'T LET THIS LITTLE GIRL SMOKE CRACK UNTIL SHE CROACKS
Should have fought Maelle instead after she got her new erase powers.
there are people itt right now who got sad at the ending of act 1 and then picked verso anyways
the gestrals are fine with dying though
He was actively speeding up the process to delete the canvas and himself by fighting and beating Aline.
And everything between the end of Act2 and the end of the game?
who was the kid that maelle was holding?
Her incest child with Verso
He's a piece of shit, but he's right.
everything between the end of Act2 and the end of the game?
5 minutes of nothing? LOL
Nothing tou experienced in your life DID matter. It's all just chemical reactions brought around by evolution to preserve the genome anyway.
What does it matter if it's artificial?
Some people say it's one of the shota from the prologue, others say it's Verso's soul.
Gustave would have told Maelle to leave the painting.
Waiting for the fall out between Renoir and Maelle to open the portal to canvas limbo
Paint the painting
Play the piano
Get fucked Verso.
So genociding Lumiere is the same as genociding people here, or in Renoir's world.
Agreed.
Waiting for the fall out between Renoir and Maelle to open the portal to canvas limbo
Why would he need to do that? If he had killed Maelle the canvas would have gotten destroyed.
33rd of December
Real world
Green text
When the blood hit Maelle's face I had the second biggest grin in the entire playthrough.
Only outdone by Painted Renoir pulling a lightning lion out of his ass.
Countered no part of my point.
Well done, that's quite impressive.
Exactly, universes getting destroyed aren't that uncommon and Lumiere is just a tiny part of Paris, most people are also dead at the end of the game. Is it really worth to keep someone tortured there until Maelle dies and the world gets wiped out anyway?
I think the Dessendre family are a bunch of cunts to have done that to Verso's painting, a world which was supposed to be free of suffering where a creature like Esquie exists.
god one day decides to inflict decades of suffering on earth and then lets them experience one moment where they think it's over before erasing them
he also does all of this for a woman
you're on the side of god
Female detected.
you see, Verso actually planned for Aline to come back so Renoir has to show Maelle the real world, which then enables him to enter the limbo world where he can kill himself
getting killed by Renoir? no that's too complicated
Yeah keep going.
>Maellefags reject every theme of the game
The entire original theme of the game is pushing on to the point of self sacrifice with the eventual hope of saving everyone. Imagine choosing to sacrifice the many innocent for the guilty few.
or lune's sky break aka i drop nuke on you
Lumiere is entirely fictional right? Is there a part of Paris actually called that?
So youre saying Verso intended to live happily with Maelle and the people of Lumiere but then chickened out at the last second so that he could kill himself out of pure selfishness? That's the hill Verso fags want to die on?
"City of Lights" is a nickname for Eiffel-town.
So youre saying Verso intended to live happily with Maelle and the people of Lumiere but then chickened out at the last second so that he could kill himself out of pure selfishness?
He wanted the canvas to be destroyed, but he also wanted his family members part on the best terms possible. Even if the options were limited.
Is it even possible to be a "Maellefag" when the game doesn't let you fuck her?
It's a nickname that they use for Paris as far as I know
Whenever I have to make a decision I ask myself: "What would Clea do?"
Clea would genocide the fuck out of everyone. If you pick Verso you're obviously gay and retarded. But I can't deny that his goals align with Clea's. I didn't choose Verso though, I chose Clea.
they gaslight themself with fanfic and headcannon
painted are not real its fantasy
alicia's puppet
escapism le bad
Muh genocide
Muh sentience
I can't wait for AI to be so advanced that you retards will kill yourselves to defend them.
Maellefags: "Maelle ending you save the people in the canvas, right?"
the game: "people?"
Yes, Just as Alicia was using the "I just want to save my painted friends" argument as a mask to cover her true selfish motive.
Just like Verso said, they're both hypocrites.
sees his mother collapsing again
sees Alicia making the same mistake her mother did
decides to stop this madness once and for all.
Pure selfishness.
That doesn't make sense. How does Maelle leave if the portal doesn't open t the end there and they kick Renoir out.
Verso is a coward and needs to control everything through lies and manipulation. If he killed Maelle, what then? She exits the canvas and then he'd have to wait or hope that the canvas would be destroyed from the outside. He'd be relinquishing control. He'd have to wait for who knows how long for the canvas to be destroyed IF it even would get destroyed. The discussion between the Dessendre family member could last decades in the canvas.
He saw an opportunity to erase everything himself and took it.
Maellefags have already made their mind up about Verso. They can't understand nuance and are probably incapable of reading the inner turmoil Verso faces throughout the whole game.
AI to be so advanced
i cant wait to fuck and reprocreate an ai
Anons will fight for the rights of sex worker AIs
Yes. If you sacrifice a billion people for the sake of your own family you wouldn't be able to say it's not selfish because it was for your family and not yourself. It's selfish because you put your own family above a billion other lives. This isn't a statement on what is right or wrong, just on what is selfish or not.
How can anyone listen to Maelle talk and hear anything other than a teenager swearing to dad she'll be home by 11?
She only care about the next kick.
Maelle ending advocates for turning the fantasy into her life. Can you think of a kind of person irl desperately wishes this for themselves at any cost?
b-but they are
ai
fake
painted
fantasy
puppet
kek
Yeah I love the nuance of Verso killing the entirety of Lumiere and telling Alicia to kill herself in a different painting
Everyone in the game was very selfish (except Monoco and Esquie)
Haven't you seen how Neuro-sama is like? There are already thousands of people who would happily risk their lives to defend AI.
WHY IS THIS GAY ASS SITE FROZEN?!?
It's selfish because you put your own family above a billion other lives.
It's selfless because you put your own family even above yourself.
Renoir gave up too easily. A father wouldn't just watch his daughter kill herself.
Morons on this board will never forgive this gigachad for
selflessly sacrificing himself to save Alicia
outperforming a suicidal prologue character
fucking their waifus
someone probably loves Sciel, somewhere
successfully completing a one man, one gestral suicide mission he spent decades working on
being forgiven by the other E33 members because they recognized his actions were based
supporting Maelle 100% up to her decision to kill herself
telling her, and by extension Maellefags, that they need to give up the escapism
Maelle betrays the expedition in her ending.
We Continue
Verso killing the entirety of Lumiere
Renoir did that.
It's really nice of him to put Sciel above himself so selflessly.
Sciel is not his family.
Because anons who sided with her also want the same kick. They want to defend the existence of Lumiere, despite being given all the context in the world as to why it is better to let go of it all and look forward to the future, wherein it's possible to recreate Lumiere in less dire circumstances for them. They can't see this and can only argue for what's in front of them. Pure emotional attachment.
Verso killing the entirety of Lumiere
Sciel gommaged herself.
So its really just Lune.
genocide
They were already dead.
but she could revive them
If you can come back that easily, are you really real? Look at Verso, it looks like he's been stuck at this for ages.
THAT'S THE FUCKING POINT YOU ILLITERATE MOTHERFUCKER
Well he came inside her. She might even have gotten pregnant again. So she's close to family.
Damn this just got me to thinking. This really would have been a better ending.
Gustave putting Maelle before everyone harkens back to the scene where he considers abandoning the mission to bring Maelle back to safety.
Lune's pissed off look at the end would have had an even greater impact.
You fucker. You actually threw away the whole world for one person
Might be a little too Last of Us, but still nice.
Here's another question; what was Verso thinking?
Was he sacrificing thousands of strangers for his mother and sister?
or
Sacrificing a few ink-blots for a real family?
Sciel killed herself though.
I'm so, so sorry Americans. But I'm going to have to 'let you go'.
nukes all of you
No one mentions how selfish Maelle is for reviving a bunch of people
If you watched the ending scenes and didnt think verso was tortured idk what the fuck is wrong with you, honestly
Renoir was going to do it no matter what. It was only a matter of time. What I don't understand comes from the people who argue for Lumiere, yet don't value the sanctity of life when the gommage kills everyone. Which is it? Is life sacred? Or should it be toyed with and be brought back because your emotions justify it?
This is very very simple: Verso thinks they're not real. He thinks he is not real. In his mind, he is saving his sister and finally putting an end to this madness. This is what his ending is about.
It's selfish to revive people
Do you think they'd actually prefer to stay dead?
I know he is older and the monochrome filter is for cinematic effect.
But did they make him more gigachad looking intentionally or what?
versofag everyone
why are you so stupid????
I am sure some people would
What point? It's selfish that he put his family above two people he's know for a few weeks? Really?
be me
chilling at my pc
playing vidya
buddy starts spam calling me on Discord
pick up
what?
IT'S OVER WE GONNA GET GOMMAGED SON
What are you talking about?
THE DESSENDRE FAMILY NEEDS TO GRIEVE WE GONNA GET THE GOM
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU EVEN TALKING ABOUT?
VERSO FUCKED US
Who the fuck is V-
...
Ignoring context, then sure. You can argue that way. You're a fool, anon.
I'm sure they'd be insulted by low IQ Maellefags pretending Verso killed already dead people
Luna and Sciel came back as the same people when Maelle brought them back. Why are speedreaders acting as though the rest of the lumierians aren't themselves when revived
You are so fucking stupid.
That has nothing to do with anything.
The point was he's being selfish for putting his family over the people of Lumiere.
You said he was selfless for putting his family over himself.
I pointed out he could have selflessly put someone from Lumiere, like Sciel, over himself. But he didn't. He chose Alicia. Because he was selfish, not selfless, in choosing his family over them, regardless whether it's over himself.
That's the point and you are literally illiterate if you think "sciel killed herself" is EVEN relevant.