GRAND FINALS!!!!!
Afreeca Starleague (the most prestigious StarCraft: Brood War tournament) Season 19 comes to an end today!
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Today's matchup is.....
Best (P) vs Soulkey (Z)
Korean livestream: play.sooplive.co.kr
English livestream: sooplive.com
Spanish livestream: play.sooplive.co.kr
Japanese livestream: sooplive.com
If Soulkey wins this, then:
(1) - He'll be tied with Flash for the most number of ASL wins (4 apiece), and
(2) - He'll be the first to win 4-in-a-row, breaking Flash's 3-in-a-row record.
it's 7:00 AM here and I skipped sleep
congratulations to Soulkey for winning another ASL
Snow put up more of a fight than I thought he would last week so hopefully Best can do the same.
Oh nice. Here I was wondering: when are the finals happening?
MUCH earlier than usual though right? Even for Korea? Won't most people still be working?
congrats to soulkey for being able to win yet another asl doing nothing except spamming hydras
4 or 5 hours earlier than usual I think. It's also on a Sunday so I doubt too many are working.
I'm usually a Tastosis watcher but I'm here for the one match of the season where it's 10pm on Saturday instead of 1am on a Sunday or whatever. Long live Korea time.
muh gookclick
muh esports
kys
If Mr fuckign baritone spends every game saying "Naaah bbrrooo this play is crraaazzzyyyy" again I'm watching the korean steam
congratulations to Soulkey for winning another ASL
Yeah... sorry. If Snow got stomped, so will Best. Best is a great top 8 player but not ASL Champ material. yet another Soulkey win.
Tastosis
They annoy me because they supttered out and had no back up plan. I think Nick and Dan should have hosted some kind of e-sports and news show they could stream once a week. Fighting games, SC:BW, gaming news, the works. Maybe try to get a game show they could sell to netflix or something. nick is especially a fat loser who read the Bible, and took the 7 deadly sins as a guide for life, especially Sloth.
No one cares about Flash any more. OLD NEWS.
Effort beat him twice, basically tied with Jaedong who just counterattacks all the time
I never bothered since I can't stand SayanSC. He's a baseboy of the worst variety an dhad a whole video condemning our guy Rapid.
I bought Carl's Jr for this grand finals.
What're you guys eating?
what the fuck who are these retards
Flash is nursing his wrists, doing commentary, coaching, and streaming, and slowly crawling back. Larva is also wanting to come back once he feels his wrists are in good enough shape. I think Flash could be very disruptive once he gets back, top 8 for sure his first attempt. I wonder if he might want to switch to Protoss since he's also a top P player, and it's less APM intensive.
not watching the Korean stream
ASL stopped supporting English streams, and StarCastTV makes a pittling in fan funding so it's whoever they can to fill in. Nyoken is busy, and Koreans are streaming to make money not cast in English. So you're stuck with the left overs.
Bestbros how are we feeling?
gay
lol
Best's biggest opponent will be his nerves. If he can get victory in game #1 and stay calm, he'll have a much better chance.
I give you the gif version, hyeongjae
This xun guy sounds like he has a cock down his throat while talking. I'll give them one game to see if the commentary is any good.
Same. I don't know dick about builds and trends so if these guys are just Rapid-tier retards with no knowledge or charisma I'm out.
IMO they're the least bad english commentators we've had in a long time.
They're much better than the seasons we were stuck with scan and eonzerg who can't speak english.
This shit is soul. I hate the fag english casts of the last few years cutting out the ads.
4-1 Soulkey
Best wins with proxy reavers game 2
Best whips out arbiters game 4 and loses
Soulkey builds hydras and more hydras and even more hydras every game
IntotheRain took some time off this year to deal with a leukemia diagnosis and treatment.
Why doesn't arbiters against Zerg not work? I've only seen a handful of games with them, and they are not winning games for P.
Is SC:BW creator Keiji Inafune in the audience?
Endgame zerg outmaneuvers Protoss and will just base race vs the protoss if they're out of position
Nothing out-DPSes cracklings, and it's easier for zerg to survive if they lose some hatcheries, since they have some at every base
Also nydus canals, plus overlords have vision, and zerg units are much better at fighting as they hatch than Terran units are popping out of factories
Arbiters aren't bad necessarily, but they cost a lot of gas and you need to go down an entire tech path for them, when you could just put all these resources into making more templars instead (which counter everything zerg has). Recall is probably underused late game though t b h since toss basically has infinite gas at that point, same with dark archon.
gets scourged easily
not enough units fit into a recall, zerg has an easier time bringing home his army and cleaning it up compared to terran
needs arbiter tribunal, research and costs a shitload of gas, you fall back on high templars and just get crushed by infinite hydras
Would having a third forge for Shield upgrades ever make sense? Early game 1-2-3 shield might help buildings, canons, and units, become more surviveable. Just a few more seconds might be all you need to save a nexus from cracklings.
It's already over. Soulkey looks chill.
Haven't watched ASL in years, what's the state of PvZ? Is Soulkey just going to hydra bust lol and Best just corsair harass with DT+HT drop into endgame macro?
english stream is 45 seconds behind
sure hope none of you silly boys take advantage of this for shitposting :)
pros are starting to value shield upgrades a lot more, it's a recent trend
Zergs are starting to plague grind vs protoss and shields are obviously better at dealing with that, plus your archons become absolute monsters on 3/3. Even helps protect your buildings vs lategame cracklings, which can help more than you'd think.
That said shield upgrades are incredibly expensive and really bad early game.
how do you watch a game that hasnt had a balance patch in 20 years
He will hydra bust
other zergs have been doing a lot of mutalisk sniping vs the HTs/Reavers, protoss have experimented with more dark archon play and trying to find ways to protect their HTs
soulkey is a faggot though and will just spam hydras into endgame defiler play, every single game, because he's a fucking douchebag
Balance through maps
Haven't watched ASL in years, what's the state of PvZ?
Sad, sorry state. P is lacking innovators and top top tier players, while a whole host of Z players destroy them with SK being the king of that. A lot of good P players get knocked out of the tournaments at various stages because of top tier Z players. It's a meta that hasnt' been fully solved. Is it the specific players? Builds? Just inherent to the game?
They have tried mixing in new builds and units, liek Dark Archons (feedback vs. defilers and melee storm* for hydras or Mutalisks)
*this was the exact moment I realized Nick Plott was basically illiterate.
Why doesn't arbiters against Zerg not work?
They could work in theory but you need to defend arbiter and bring in a ton of units to destroy the entire zerg base and at that point they got defilers and plague
map makers working their asses off to keep the game extremely balanced
hydra bust all day every day
how do you watch a game that hasnt had a balance patch in 20 years
Maps are balance patches. They notice that T can build turrets so they make the land unbuildable. They see that Z can get a 4th gas too easily so they change it. etc.
Zerg dominates early game, Protoss dominates mid game, late game is a slugfest that comes down to whether protoss can split map.
HOW WAS THAT NOT A WALL
WHAT THE FUUUUUUUUUUUCKKK
sk going mutas
best making citadel before stargate
okay this game is over
Reminder: that the HD port actually re-balancaed the game and changed the dynamics. The game speed was increased, so you could carry out even more detailed micro.
I watch chess tournaments too.
i'm revising my initial estimate of 4-1
4-0 soulkey, best is a fucking retard who doesn't know how to pvz, all he was ever good at was spamming 2base arbiter during kespa era
The game speed was increased, so you could carry out even more detailed micro
Nice, they can destroy their wrists even faster now.
V not required.
Chess tournaments are so fucking good man
no stargate
lmao
8 minutes in and "Best" isn't mining from his main lol
Didn't it also introduce remappable hotkeys? That alone makes modern players way more efficient than before.
How do so many Protoss players just fail to defend Soulkey's early aggression?
why did /sc2g/ die?
losing main nexus before 10 min mark
What the hell bros
the absolute fucking state
losing your nexus
versus fucking mutas
wrap it up holy shit
...
why was Best so stingy with his nexus defense? I yelled "he can't let the nexus die or its game over" and he let it die. Way better to sacrifice a few dragoons to save the nexus.
HAHAHAHAHA
NICE BASE PROTOSSBROS
protoss players are very stupid
this is painful to watch
a literal noob stomp game
4-0
Shields are shit because the upgrade costs more than armor, units have more health than shields so armor is more valuable and the worst thing, shields take full damage from all damage types so they melt no matter what the upgrades are.
I'm waiting until english cast by artosis sorry
oh nice. where is the finals being cast from?
archonbros....the mutaCHADS are calling us fat again......
WTF qt Korean girls watch Starcraft?
Are they just plants to convince dudes to go to them?
Shield upgrades are more popular nowadays because late game zvp is all about plague.
The funniest thing was the walls fucked him so much the Archon couldn't get in and defend, mutas just played scooby doo doors kek
1. They're all stream stars and this is their main job and what Afreeca makes the money on. Girls watch streams to follow cute guys.
2. Players host and work with Uni teams of girls and boys to create the next gen of players. Big money and sponsorships now. Some of those might be SK or Best students.
Also: sadly, the ladies league was massively downgraded for some reason. That's why Denzie left.
why does the english commentary sound like they're using walkie talkies?
They're not exactly in a studio...
no translation of the interviews
what happened?
brood war is declining
Tastosis version will go on youtube in a few days, it has translated interviews
looks like a convention center? Some kind of Con going on at the same time?
they're not on site casting with equipment
they just get piped into the feed and overlay commentary at home
A ton of people standing but there's a lot of empty seats??
do they both do the commentary? i heard it was just artosis.
FINALLY
i hate this stream.
Archons FAT
posted by the hydralisk gang
I'm gonna swap to korean
XUN is fucking terrible and Saiyan isn't good enough to make up for his pointless blabbering
Best already looking very defeated
best CANNOT wait to get his lips on that thing
Losing your main nexus in your first starleague finals in 15+ years of your career... that's some serious spaghetti.
But Saiyan is BASED he knows Feminism is the answer aand you should respect women!
Paid tickets vs. onlookers. I think ti's some kind of convention going on that they decided to put the finals in the middle of. Kidn of clever.
Same here. I haven't watched a Korean cast in over a decade. Never thought I'd see this goober in the finals. Weird time.
When was that game, does anyone remember? I think it was the first ASL after Remastered released.
hory shet he defended vs a hydra bust
time for him to fuck it up anyways
left an overlord below 40 because one hydra hatched
its over
SK setting up his gentleman's sweep again
oops I'm late
he has no chance to win the series, even winning a single game was a surprise
wow that's kind of an early gg
but yeah soulkey was definitely behind there
wtf was that gg
RIGGED
SK was super behind after the failed opening, and then he needed to get back with the Muta counter. he instead lost his mutas putting him even more behind. 3 base vs 3 base is terrible for him. He needed to kill the third or kill a lot of probes.
well that's a surprise. didn't think he'd capitalize on the supply blocks. good hydra picks with the speed lots too. maybe toss has a chance :)
embarrassing casting.
confidence
You now remember Fantasy timing gg, this one is the total opposite.
Best could have won 5 times there he almost fucked that up. He's lucky sk didn't make him work for it.
The plastic chairs always get me.
come home, western man
He missed a couple storms but it didn't matter
Game was over when he lost those overlords.
you mean when his hydra bust failed and he only had like 15 drones behind it
they're making everyone chug their energy drinks
nta but i didnt notice that. makes sense but i dont know zerg well so i couldn't figure from the amount of hydras. i miss the worker counts...
The chug cams are more entertaining than the series so far.
Spend millions of wons on face surgery
hide it when the camera points at you
fuck I'm late, which game are we on?
Failed bust put him in like 85% chance of loss, everything else was trying to find that slim chance of victory and failing.
Should Best just DEFEND hard early game so that he actually survives against early aggression that SK is known for?
game 3, 1-1
we're on 1-1 with Soulkey leading
3 games remaining
I hope we get to see Dominator.
You missed so far, one successful hydra bust, and one failed hydra bust. Series tied 1-1.
Game 1 didn't even get to a hydra bust, it was a ling run-by because best doesn't know how to plug a hole, into six mutas killing a nexus while the archon cried from the cuck corner
i have the korean stream at max volume and the english stream at 30%, i like to imagine theyre translating what she's saying :)
The star girl is way over dressed
Would you fill Hyun Kyung Lee's barren womb with your seed?
no, i would fail to make eye contact and mumble until i could slip away
DEATH VALLEY
Who writes these songs that end up in Korean programs like this? It sounds like royalty free music.
Jaedong said SK should have changed plans after seeing the cannon placement
kino map
But who's death will it be?
CHEDDAR CHEESE
LMAO2GATE
AI nowadays. they used to have good music
All real music and Afreeca just buys a yearly licsense for the entire music stock and they pick them. All the music videos have like 5 million views, so they are real bands with real but tiny fanbases. They sorta sound like more famous artists and there is a bunch of bands that fill this kind of niche.
Fuck no. Give me the original ASL stargirl, not this hag.
best locking his zealots in
he might be retarded
BASED RETARDKINO MAP
proxy base secured
Best is now hard contained, the game is over
OUTFUCKINGPLAYED
apetoss moment
SK has no units
best has nothing at home
WINS
Fuuuuuuuuuuck. Stop being so retarded Best. Just play a late game.
I love this map.
when you try to bamboozle your opponent but you get bamboozled yourself
Soulkey won because of one drone
I couldn't find any hot6 at my local supermarket ;_;
rundown on the players?
never heard of soulkey
where is Cella?
So what's the deal with Death Valley? First time I've seen it. Do games just never last more than 10 minutes on this map?
I feel like toss should just make a pylon at the top of that ramp to avoid shit like this.
I looked away for a minute and it was over. what happened? best went for shenanigans?
there have been a couple of long macro games on it this season, but it's a weird map so usually people just cheese
never heard of soulkey
You'd think Protoss has to build one pylon close to this crucial weak point to keep an eye for the creep
starting to think this guy is not actually the best
Best sweating and shaking
KWAB, it's over
It's hard split into two lanes, north and south, with no way between them
South is soft-blocked with minerals that you need to chew through first
North is "open" with assimilators that make gates, when both gates are open any unit can get through. When one sim is destroyed, only small/medium units can get through. When both sims are down, no units can pass through so it becomes a pseudo island map.
Best got his lots locked into SKs base after the assimilators got destroyed, didn't notice the proxy hatch at all. Had one zealot at home.
The deal is that the top left part is only accessible via the assimilator gates from each main that can be closed by destroying both assimilators, while the rest of the map is accessed from the main by mineral walls. It invites shenanigans. The shenanigans have led into late game though, so it's not always short games.
pick meme map get memed on. simple as
Best is nervous because it's the finals and he's up against the best player of all time.
Yeah it took me awhile to realize that. Didn't know the assimilators kept it open until I saw the posts here.
Any good games I can watch? I love these gimmicky maps.
zerglings have little human arms and hands
can't unseen.
I don't think we are getting the nazi map
outsourced demaster graphics
adun first 3 gate
Best is such a fucking ape holy shit
Looks like archons
We've seen great games on Death Valley, it's a great weird map
SK
best player of all time
Flash lost against Effort twice in a best of 5 (five)
SK are winning best of sevens against anyone
This is a double archon build, what the hell is Best doing?
Finally a DA
even supplies
where is CELLA
CAMON BEST
MAELSTORM SOM FOCKING MUTERS
mindgaming against DA
wew
SK lost against Flash in a best of 11
hehehe i maek hydra
Bestbros???
why no nydus?
SK should have just countered the third.
No hive.
Does he have hive?
SK can't let Best get this fourth or it's over.
Where are my scout, f-phoenix bros at?
why is SK slacking on his hive
storm fucks zerg so hard it's funny
MAEK HYDRA
STALL 4EVR
WIN WITH WIGGLYBOIS
those are some nasty storms
cus SK is tilted.
somehow Best is going to fuck this up
He couldn't go Hive, needed to spend gas on hydralurker. I think he was trying to hide his 4th, it'd be way easier to defend if he got top mid
That was the first decent game in this whole set.
see, it's not hard
you just go out and kill the zerg 4th
sh-shut up...
HOLY SHIT NAILBITER
I thought Best was gonna lose for sure until he killed the bottom left base. He was ahead after that and SK was trying to come back but never hit a devestatign blow. Holy shit.
He was gambling with those two new hatches, and if they were left alone he could ahve come back.
2-2
Holy shit never would have thought best would get this far. 4-2 SK?
faster
3-2-0 Goons
2-1 Hydras
Those were FIGHTING GOONS. Never seen Battle Goons like that. They actually brought the fight to the Hydras.
Fuck I said I was going to bed after this one, now I have to stay up.
Zerg really needs to get ahead and then they overwhelm you. They hate even fights
Go to bed now, anon.
it's early bro stay up
Just watch 4-2 SK is still very likely. But he has to fight for it. As long as Best can survive the early game he can win.
SK hasn't played his best card though: Defiler. He's been relying upon early muta-hydra-ling aggression. Does he not respect Best? I think he was planning 4-0 sweep or 4-1 at best, and it's backfiring. Mid to late game get into Defilers, plague and swarm.
more like zerg has to get ahead because once protoss gets storm it's impossible to have a good engagement
Zerg needs to get their 4th gas to power their late game units as well.
hydras are 75/25 and cost 1 supply
they make up for storms with always being up 1 expansion and zerglings being insanely cost efficient once they get upgrades
even
Zerg lost 5 mutas and 4th. SK probably took his 4th too soon but Best is really good when he's ahead. He likes to make a big bonk army and attack.
Best deserves more sexo with those girls so I root for him
BEST KEEPS FUCKING UP HIS WALL
AAAAAA
Best bros my knees are dropping to the floor.
maek ling
it works
CAPEMAN
CAPED
capeman to the rescue
lost capeman
:(
soulkey is so tilted holy shit he might actually lose to the apest player in existence.
That was played on the edge, it was rather close
best forgot he's playing vs a zerg
soulkey forgot he's even playing as zerg
that was a brutal 15 sec supply block
SK is dead
it's over, the apes won
apes strong together
is white protoss a remaster color?
MAEK
MOAR
HYDRA
GG
moving templars into hydra blobs
the masked man
FFS Best, just tap out, you aren't coming back from this.
storms your own templars
average protoss player, no skill required to reach finals
best still doesn't have templar energy like he's stuck playing in 2007
why did sk let best rebuild his 3rd? I thought he was mega dead then but now he has stuff again and sk still isn't building hive.
SK finished Hive two minutes ago and has 5 bases. Seems Best is gonna get his 4th up no problem, so it seems we're in for a real late game.
now that defilers are out best is on life support
any chance of ultralisks????
what is Best going to do when soulkey slaps dark swarm on all those dragoons
sk has this
i have not seen soulkey build a single ultralisk in the last year
he makes hydras
and hydra accessories
train zealots
need reavers
nevermind best is actually winning its over the age of ape is now upon us
50 supply behind
SK's been done
sell his wife and cast storm
need darchons for feedback vs defiler
it looks like best's army is kind of strong and sk is just feeding units into it piecemeal
best can win if he takes his 2 o clock right now
otherwise he's going to mine out very soon
It was over after the bust failed. but Soulkey made a great effort
sk is so passive and shit
HOW MANY TIMES CAN HE PLAGUE THE SAME FUCKING ARMY
matchfixing
Yeah that DT alone held it back enough on its own to stabilize. Losing the 3rd was scary but he got it back with minimal effort and kept taking any potshots he could to get the supply down. Very scrappy.
these b-teamers remind me of homer simpson boxing. Ever seen a boxer not swing? me either
this is unironically one of the worst GFs in recent years
mmmm drobes
sk thinks whoever mines the most minerals wins
HOLY SHIT
3-2 BEST
THE HOPE IS REAL!
that 6 o clock base has been denied like 4 times throughout that entire match
soulkey is so confident that he'll win that he purposely lets TWO series go to game seven
Has there ever been a more dominant player?
NO LONGER WORST
the idra of our time
I'm too scared to hope
SK is still most likely to win 4-3
I still don't get how best was able to recover from having 0 mining bases. sk took his 3rd out and then just went home and ignored him for 5+ minutes while he rebuilt.
SK threw the game. Didn't defend any bases, didn't watch out for DTs, kept doing lousy counterattacks and trying to end game early instead of just grabbing bases and massing up a massive army and then destroy bases. WTF was that play man. Seriously terrible from SK.
cheese for the win
Maybe being overly passive is not a good thing in this matchup and the only reason why they can do that is because Flash or any A_teamer is not playing the game anymore?
Just a random XD! guess
SK had him on the ropes and decided to just sit back and place lurkers around and patently wait for storms.
I still don't get how best was able to recover from having 0 mining bases. sk took his 3rd out and then just went home and ignored him for 5+ minutes while he rebuilt.
He got seriously close to losing but didn't. It was real knife's edge. his bases ran out just as the new nexus came online and he could stabalize. Once he got the top right bases and they were not destroyed he won.
SK kept throwing megahard. If SK even played mediocre he could have won. For some reason it was like SK was scared when it's like... Protoss got zero minerals... they can't do shit. Just expand, man
bro you don't realize best won a bunch of games 15 years ago*
*36% winrate versus zergs
I hope SK didn't make some giant bet with some gangsters to pay off his debts by throwing the match.
cheese is too tempting and he will expect it. don't do it best
Nah, it was excellent play from him doing his best in a bad position. Keep in mind that was 2 base zerg vs 2 base protoss for most time. He knows the only thing he can do is grind it out with defiler.
Best has literally been an "A teamer" since 2007. On the most stacked team of all time, too. You know that starcraft teams were a real thing and it's not just an arbitrary insult, right?
defiler wasn't even good best didn't give a shit about the orange clouds getting spammed everywhere
Why did Larva stop playing? I miss him.
He was ahead later. He could have won if he just checked for DTs and had a little bit of defense there, once he has top left he could grab the natural and after that build massive army and get defilers. Unwinnable for Protoss at that point
best was just bisu's fluffer
he won
exploding wrist syndrome
Oh so that's why the storms actually hit enemies. Ok so Best is going to win, there you go lads, B-Teamers gonna Bteam and A-teamers gonna A -team
He's back to streaming and yes, it's wrist issues. He says on stream once he's in good enough shape he will come back.
didn't like the competitive grind/stress so he quit after winning it all. I think he just had a child around the same time.
He had shit upgrades and stuck on hydra lurker so he couldn't stop Best from taking top right, and own bases were about to mine out
Personally I would have just tried to end with hydra lurker because fuck it, but I understand why he played like that
wrist issues
that shouldn't be a problem
That only happened because he lost bottom like 3-4 times and got denied top left. And upgrades doesn't matter if you got a bigger army, can snipe HTs and destroy bases. 1+ cracklings will destroy any nexus in seconds. SK keeps messing up the basics. Grabbing 4th too early or getting closer base to enemy for no reason. Protoss can't attack top left without committing and zerg is faster
And upgrades doesn't matter if you got a bigger army,
Best had battle units with 2-2, then 3-2. Archons make everything explode and even Goons can start battling hydras.
Oh, I thought Dominator was the one with all the stasis webs...bring that one back.
is this still going on
What the hell is that third, it's so far... I hope this is a planned strat and not spur of the moment thing
this guy SoulKey ever played a regular game instead of cheesing or is Jaedong the only one that actually plays real macro?
I think he was overconfident and read things wrong. He's playing like Jaedong, too aggressive.
is dominator a remake of gladiator?
yeah
He's playing like Jaedong, too aggressive
Jaedong plays macro. Anyways congrats to Best for being the best of the worst
CAPED OUT OF A WIN
Jaedong
who?
CAPED.com
CAPED
did sk forget adrenal upgrade?
kills his own shuttle
using maelstrom on zerglings
kekekekekeke
SK should just drop the main
is SK playing tower defense? he has been so passive the entire game
Dude I am amazed at how well Best is playing despite not being ahead of SK in terms of supply.
this is looking like a best win, bros...
soulkey is notoriously bad at using more than two brain cells when it comes to breaking a lategame stall
Soulkey is AMAZING at breaking lategame stalls vs Terran. But I'm not so sure versus Protoss.
based dark archon chilling all game
what the fuck is that sloppy a move. Threw away two defilers and all the lurkers for nothing
Oh my God that was kinda sloppy
attack move with lurkers
they don't attack
woooooooooow
owarida
Total drone death
wow
TOTAL DRONE DEATH
200 vs 200 supply
Awwwww yeahhhhhh boys
sk hasn't been diligent with the plagu
ZERG THREAD
ZERG BOARD
ZERG WORLDWIDE!
scourge, lurkers and hydras camping the base
still drops HTs and kills fucking everything
rip
maybe in another 17 years he'll get another chance
chances of a doomdrop obliterating best?
man sk has like 40 supply stuck in lurkers that are pretending to be spider mines
da bery hunggrey caberreaver :DD:DDD
nice plags
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This is what I wanted to see out of Soulkey. Just solid macro play, not that gay all-in shit.
are we ready for a 4pool game 7?
Do you reckon we'll get some DISGUSTING and DISHONEST cheese in this final game, bros?
GAS ALL KIKES RACE WAR NOW
HOLOCAUST MAP IS COMING UP
Honestly with so much money you should just get 1 spore at the most important locations, makes it way harder to stormdrop.
oh FUCK
Disgusting cheese incoming.
seeing all these qt's in the audience will make me feel so disgusted next time I watch another western fighting game tournament or whatever
Best needs to meta for it and just play defensive.
Any good games I can watch? I love these gimmicky maps.
Sorry mate, forgot to get back to you. You don't have to go further back than Snow vs Soulkey in the quarter finals for a very gimmicky and fun match on Death Valley.
As long as SK keeps cool, blocks any gorilla tactics then he wins. Gorilla players like Best can only do gorilla plays.
Here we go!
no dumb all-in in the first 2 minutes
so far so good
Bad start for best. Nerves getting to him in the final game? Is he gonna throw like the others? Do a dumb strat that could never win even against D rank zergs?
Do a dumb strat that could never win even against D rank zergs?
he already won with 4 gate speedlot this series
Going for sairs but he's not any good with them
Uhhhhh capebros?
Pathetic DT try there protobros. Not a good look.
best staying on 2 base
it's ogre....soulkey sneaks another finals....
sk needs to get his hive the moment his fourth base is up. he has been throwing too many games this series by not having defilers
it's unironically over
congrats to soulkey once again
games 5 and 6 were okay I guess
the rest of the set was complete shit though, neither of these players deserved to win
washed ups and b-teamers
greedy 4th unchecked
SK ahead in supply
do nothing
lose
theme of this set to be honest
theme of this entire tournament
fuck soulkey and fuck this passive gay playstyle
maek a lot of hydra
what is with SK and ignoring the hive
CAM ON SOULKEY
*BANG* *BANG**BANG*
SCORE SOME FACKING GOALS
I don't understand what SoulKey's plan was.
skwinslol
It's so over for Best.
MY BONJWA
winning?
make hydra
Well, at least he tried
Snow must be fuming right now. If only he was playing against SK today lol
someone shoot soulkey by season 20
i can't stand watching another zerg domination
Win
best couldn't afford enough lightning with only 2 gas.
Maybe Snow needs to learn how not to fucking suck
Sit back, relax, and let Soulkey macro his way to another win.
Snow performed way better than Best. Shiggy.
more bases and lots of hydras
sks bitch play wins
well, i'm glad i did not watch this shit
call yourself best
you're not the best
Hurr why 3-4
Cause a stomp in finals would be boring, retards. Remember the script
RATE THE FINALS
RATE THE SEASON
See you in ASL20
it's not that I like Best
it's more like I'm really fucking sick of soulgay
The Zerg Cabal is pleased.
One of the best. Some dumb plays with the final game from players but seeing lots of games is great, best of 7 is superior to best of 5.
finals 2/7
as in only 2/7 of the games were worth watching
season maybe 3/7 or 4/7
let's be honest, best plays the protoss equivalent style of SK's style
best uses dark archons, shut up
We need Bisu and Mini back
god no, what are you on about
ASL 20 when?
Starcraft will truly and completely die in your life time once korean war part 2 starts next year.
Might be my last season before I become a dragoon, sad to see it end like this
Feels like the crowd emptied immediately after soulkey won
Do koreans just hate him winning every year with the most milquetoast play possible?
Soulkey this season
stomp vs Scan (T)
stomp vs Light (T)
stomp vs Rush (T)
barely manages to get a sloppy win against Snow (P)
barely manages to get a sloppy win against Best (P)
hmm
If he spread out his overlords and denied DTs he'd stomp Best and Snow as well. DTs are so deadly
korean war part 2 starts next year.
norks cant do a thing dude. it will just trickle on as is for another 50 years before norks just give up and go for pcs and kpop girls.
I haven't tuned into a korea time since the end of tastosis, but god damn has the production value dropped over the years, its just a bunch of lawn chairs in a gymnasium now, what happened?
No need to spend too much money, Brood War is doing extremely well. Got more players and interest than big AAA live service games coming out. Not bad for a 2D game from the 90s
at current birth rates south korea won't exist in 100 years and north korea can just walk across the border to repopulate the ruins of civilization.
scene moved more onto streaming and online events, ASL is mostly just for bragging rights
its just a bunch of lawn chairs in a gymnasium now, what happened?
They have always used lawn chairs even in the peak 2007-2010 era. It's some kind of convention that is going on around them, some kind of tech con? I see booths for other things. This is one of the most well attended finals in a long time so it's a breath of fresh air.
5/10
Semifinals 10/10
Just the usual ASL things.
Fair enough, I haven't kept up with this shit for the last 4 years or so, glad its still going strong
zoomzooms cant into rts. too hard for them.
every single Korean SC:BW tournament is lawnchairs.
remember when the osl finals was in a hangar and flash got off an airplane?
Yeah I remember him losing.
Yeah, they had big sponsorships and especially broadcast TV with loads of money. ASL had trouble getting even a single sponsor this time around, and thankfully Hot6 did it part way through. I remember a lot more commercials in the past.
Sadly, SC2 kind of killed the momentum.
Had to go away for a bit and missed the 7th game, and only now am I catching up.
Don't let the thread die, I'm watching as I type this post!
Snow's biggest mistake vs Soulkey was that God-awful Game #7 when he did the dumbest possible proxy cannon.
Okay I finished watching. Well-deserved victory to Soulkey, honestly, I think more players need to step up their game to deal with SK's midgame dominance.
Best was kinda tilted at moments, but some of the storms in Game 7 were pure kino. A shame it wasn't enough to help him win.
SK took a greedy 4th and Best likely didn't scout it in time to stop it. Then SK kept stopping Best's 3rd and then overwhelmed him.
The lack of patches has finally caught up with BW, a zerg player with above 60iq finally played the race and proved what everyone already knew: its a broken race that can build literally any unit and win because zerg units are literally all broken bullshit.
T vs Z is looking like a solved matchedup
Z vs Z is coinflip cancer
Z vs P is still Z favored
Eventually in another 5 years of only Zergs winning ASL the game will finally die.
SK has just been giving his best (heh) because he's in debt. Food is a big motivator it seems.
If SK wasn't here to win every ASL it would just be Hero or Queen instead. Zerg is literally the only race that can build any unit it likes in both match ups, plus has a better early AND late game to either race, is the only race where being supply blocked literally doesn't even matter, and is the only race where you can run a cheese build and still recover with ease if you bluff and just make one single round of drones instead.
There are no downsides to playing Zerg, its a broken race with terrible carried players who would get crushed if they played Terran instead.
Queen's been in a slump, and didn't even qualify last season, and Hero didn't make it to round of 8 at all. If Flash returns next season, it'll have a disruptive effect where even if he doesn't win the whole thing, he will knock people out. He might even switch to Protoss.
If Larva returns, its another wild card, and ZvZ is like coin flipping. So another coin flipper who might knock out SK.
Light Bungled vs. Best and lost, and he might have put up a better fight against SK.
Snow
SK
Sharp
Rain
Snow and SK both got seeded last season too. This seasons seeds are a little stronger - Best and Light added to the mix. They might prove strong enough to knock SK out. Someone hast o beat this fucker.
Hero not being in the round of 8 was just a showcase of the garbage formatting, if he was in then it would have been Hero vs SK finals assuming they didn't meet before then and then play the garbage ZvZ coinflip meme matchup. In fact if it wasn't for ZvZ, its very likely SK would have been ASL champion like 6 times in a row now.
Also yeah maybe I was out of line to include Queen, no Zerg player would even be in a round of 8 if they played anything other than Zerg.
No one will beat SK besides another Zerg, maybe a Protoss, not even Flash unless he swaps to Protoss or Zerg himself. SK has proved what we all had known for years: Zerg is a broken race that was just waiting for a good player since the race has the worst players in BW.
SK earned enough to pay for this year's interests on his debts
It's possible Flash may move to P simply because of the lower APM requirements, and he's also an ace P player but his Z is quite awful.
Next season they might just move to maps that are not zerg favored. I think SK is beatable, and he showed a lot of weakness today versus best who isn't even taht good.
I want to know when Light will stop sucking. He is one of the better T players but i consider him the weakest of the top tier players.
Light is like Terran's Mini at times. Sometimes he's unstoppable and unbreakable, other times he loses in the funniest ways.
just woke up and remembered today is the finals
Shows how much I was not looking forward to this.
are the games interesting at least?
Nail-biters at time. SK and Best throwing games and playing lousy.
soulkey won
Meh semis felt like the real finals
But Flash vs Soulkey will be insanely good for ratings if the organizers can set it up that way
Light is "sucking" because TvZ is a solved matchup and PvT is P favored so long as ASL keeps meme maps in instead of sticking to playable stuff for Terran like Radeon/Polypoid/etc. He's the current best player in BW, but being good is less important than playing Zerg or Protoss. Stick him on Zerg, or take the shitters on P/Z and make them play Terran, you would see the truth that Light is the king of BW atm.
Terran has only one style of map they can play on, anything wacky or weird becomes a punishment simulator for the race because of shuttles or mutas/droplords. Light is stubborn and tries to play proper high-class RTS regardless, so will just instantly die to whatever meme tactic the Z or P has prepared.
Lack of patches will finally kill BW, and Terran players are going to finally drop the race when they realize not even Flash can win with it.
Broodwar feels like the tetris of rts
It's never going to pop off again but will be played by autists for a long time
Light is "sucking" because TvZ is a solved matchup
Well they keep trying to import mech with the mech transition build or goliatch build but it seems to not be effective anymore.
meme maps
Bring back Sylphid, one of the most balanced maps. They haven't done it since S13 (2022). I know it'd be boring to use it every season but they like to mix in and out maps all the time.
Well they keep trying to import mech with the mech transition build
And why do you think that is? Because SKTerran builds can't win anymore vs players like SK or Hero, the matchup has been completely solved, even Flash was trying to make mech switch work for a while since playing standard is unplayable now.
Once defilers with ultras come out Terran automatically loses, one dark swarm near your natural = gg. So the only way to win now is either sunken busts - which rely on the Zerg player being bad, or mech switch timing attacks that only work as a surprise attack when not scouted and not in public play very often.
TvZ is a solved matchup, the truth is that BW needs a balance patch that nerfs defilers at a minimum, probably cracklings too. The only reason BW was playable for so long is that Zerg players sucked so badly at the game that their broken units were being nerfed by their lack of skill. Now that SK/Hero are good enough to showcase the game is fundamentally unbalanced, it needs a patch.
snow vs soulkey thread reached 600+ bump limit
finals couldnt even reach 450
grim
This, kek. It's so funny.
tvz is still brutal because Terran can do so many greedy stuff and super aggressive timings and the amount of variations that they can do. Terran can wall and it's just a huge question mark of what they're doing and if you don't respond correctly you lose. Meanwhile Terran has scans so Terran knows what Z is up to. I think Flash perfected Terran, SK more or less perfected Zerg, nobody ever perfected Protoss
it's another 'woe is me Terran is underpowered, until some guy comes along and smashes everyone and everything with it, then it becomes unfairly overpowered' episode
yare yare daze
Terran can wall and it's just a huge question mark of what they're doing
Lol, they are making MM while you are either setting up a lurker contain or in their base with muta. There is no question mark for what a Terran is doing, they are doing the only thing they can do: make MM until they reach 24~ units, then trying to sunken bust you before defilers and ultras come out and they instantly lose.
If you don't like playing dark, make muta, you'll not only get to harrass the useless bass sitting Terran all day, but also be scouting them non stop so that you can know they are making MM... like they literally always are.
I don't get what they whine about
Range is king in all games and Terran has the best range bar none
also defilers can be irradiated over and over while protoss has no way to hunt defilers
It's the amount of free stuff Terran gets. People for some reason always wants to paint Terran as the underdog when it proffesional games T has the most wins. Played correctly it doesn't even look like T has any weaknesses.
ultras
You either need a big concentration of Bio-medic with a big upgrade advantage, mines, or tanks. The thing is that these don't gel well together. Max upgraded Z vs bio-medic is very tough and a losing battle. Sci-vessels take 3/4 of the ultra's life then it runs through your often plagued marines and they go squish so it becomes an even trade.
An interesting build I saw in a recent game had an almost box-art unit comp and might be trying to respond to this. It was bio-medic but vulture and Tank. So effectively replacing Goliaths with bio-medic theoretically getting the best of both worlds.
its another zerg can't handle the fact that every single unit he has is better pound for pound than anything in either T or P
can't handle the fact zerg has unlimited build variety because all their units are broken and everything works
can't handle the fact zerg has the easiest macro in the game
can't handle the fact if ZvZ wasn't a coinflip then a Zerg would have won ASL 6+ times in a row
defilers can be irradiated over and over
Good thing you can't just PLAGUE 12 vessels at once and then one tap them with a single muta or hydra. Defilers have no counter, they, much like all zerg units, are completely broken.
free stuff
You mean like how Zerg can make one unit (muta) that not only gets to scout you for free, harrass your workers endlessly, kill the "anti air", kill your main army in a slugfest despite being a "harass" unit", and also instantly end the game if they ever get sit on your barracks even once?
Fucking kek.
also defilers can be irradiated over and over while protoss has no way to hunt defilers
They have feedback and since most defilers are always full of MP they pop or die. Best was using it and took two to 10% HP but they didn't die, just bad luck I guess. I'm wondering if having TWO Dark Archons is the answer? They got a lot of utlity in Best's games and his spell casters made him survive longer in dark situations where he was clearly losing.
Good thing you can't just PLAGUE 12 vessels at once and then one tap them with a single muta or hydra. Defilers have no counter, they, much like all zerg units, are completely broken.
It's balanced and can go either way so ti's very dynamic and game by game. Some games the defiler is plagued over and over again and they barely do anything. Other games they hit plagues on sci-vessels and 10+ die.
The meta seems to be to NOT bother trying to repair them either, and I think that's wrong. The older style was to try to bring them back and have scvs repair them.
Can mind control be useful?
In years of watching Korean high level play, I've only seen it used seriously in a handful of games. One was a very late game PvZ, where the P was turtling up and Z was hurling units at the base. Dark Archons were using mind control on some ultras and lurkers and then using them for defense, making the positions even harder to break. It is in fact weird to see a P position partially defended by defilers.
It's balanced and can go either way so ti's very dynamic and game by game
It only goes one way -> plagued and all die -> zerg wins.
Sometimes Zerg players are trash and get outskilled so badly that they lose, this was the case for many years, but now that Zerg has players with above 60iq (SK/Hero) the reality is setting in - Terrans can't win with SKTerran style anymore. Its literally unplayable. There is no balance, defilers counter their "counter" by plague spamming everything in the game, and then Zerg players kek their balls off watching a plagued ultra run around killing plagued MM by just walking near them.
a plagued ultra run around killing plagued MM by just walking near them.
an irradiated* ultra
Iradiate does well, perhaps too well against most units OTHER than the Ultras. It doesn't mesh well with biomedic since the ultra can now take out so many units with them. The mass ultra problem is something T has not found a good solution for.
I know back in the day one solution was just mines. Mine mine mine mine mine and have the idiot ultras have to run through them. A full 125 damage for free is really solid.
But that was before crazy zerg and new builds that relied upon loads of units.
Plague is annoying but it can be handled. Just run the sci-vessels back home to repair them, and run your MM back out of harm's way, then irradiate the defiler. It's the Crazy Zerg and mutra or ultra builds that are hard countering SK terran now. Ultras just beat MM unless MM has a huge upgrade advantage. Once those armor upgrades kick it it's over.
Goliath build was meant to be a build that won early to midgame since Goliaths are like upgraded marines. But turns out muta-hydra beats it. Then mech transition was supposed to help, but it only works if you have map control, and a lot of MM units to buy time for the transition. In other words to win you have to be winning already by quite a bit.
the race matters!
low IQ take, definitely D ranker
The player matters.
high IQ take, probably A rank and above
Irradiate doesn't "do well" against anything, its literally a single target spell that kills one (1) unit very slowly over 30 seconds. You know what happens when you irradiate a defiler? It runs up and plagues your entire MM force for roughly 2000 damage and then shits out a dark swarm before dying so that 5 cracklings can kill your 3 full groups of MM all with 1 (one) hp.
Irradiate is SHIT, its only used because it is the only way for Terran to deal with lurkers due to guess what? Defilers making mech uselss just as much as MM, just like they counter BC, like they counter vessels, like they counter everything in the entire game because they are a broken unit.
Just run the sci-vessels back home to repair them
It doesn't work because the second you go back home what happens? You get dark swarms in your natural, and one they have clouds in front of your natural and ultras running into your 3rd/4th, you lose. SKTerran can only survive through CONSTANT unrelenting pressure, why do you think no one repairs them? If you go home to repair, you might as well just forfeit the match right then and there.
TvZ post-defilers is unplayable, SK already proved that on Kickback. You literally cannot win in late game vs a Zerg, they will a-click into your base and automatically win.
If you think that this game is even remotely balanced you're smoking meth
t. Flash boomertard making excuses ahead of time because he knows GODkey will stomp him with superior high IQ plays in ASL20
Actually, faggot, I'm a boomer who never played ladder and just spammed custom games like LOTR, DBZ, tower defense, etcetera and I get my opinions from Fartosis. You ever think about that, gayboy?
guys this race is obviously OP
check stats
50% winrate
sit on three/four base until defilers and then plague grind + a click ultras to win or just win during the muta micro phase while terran units bug on each other going up ramps
superior high IQ plays
Carriedkey could never win anything playing Terran, Flashgod can literally play random and make ASL. Learn the difference between the race-carried, and the guy who carried his race.
stats
Only showcase that Zerg players are bad at video games, yeah.
every single unit he has is better pound for pound than anything in either T or P
Vulture is the single best unit in the game. Terran has won so many games with those either vs Z or P
t. exposed the flash boomertard
Only adult broodwar championships matter like soulkey's age because strategy matters more than young nigga flashkek spamming 500+ apm
if you split the map and both have a huge bank
if terran makes battlecruisers you counter with mind control
loses to literally any other unit in the game
turns into literal useless meat shield mineral dump later on
best single unit in the game
Vultures are good - same with tanks; but lings, lurkers, defilers, ultras, and mutas exist on another plane of existence. In other matchups, I would even rate hydras in ZvP as more OP than vultures, or queens vs mech being so broken that they have basically made mech nonviable by themselves.
Only the dying viewership/playrate post-peak BW championships matter because I play Zerg and Hero/SK finally realized how to break BW for good to ensure Zergs always win ZvT
Epic, when Carriedkey can show he can preform on anything other than Zerg, let us know.
ultras
queens
Any unit that wins you with such low resources is actually insane. Not to mention the mines gives free vision/damage.
mutas exist on another plane of existence
Yeah just invest thousands of resources and then have to micro them heavily to be able to use them. Most Protoss players can't even micro sairs.
queens vs mech being so broken that they have basically made mech nonviable by themselves
Terran shouldn't go mech only vs zerg thoughbeit
You will see Z vs T without vultures very commonly, you will never see Z vs T or P without Ultras in late game unless the zerg doesn't enjoy being race carried. You will also never see Z vs mech without queens unless again, the zerg doesn't like being race carried.
Any unit that wins you with such low resources is actually insane.
In that case lings are still the best unit in the game by several fold. Face reality, zerg units are ALWAYS better.
Yeah just invest thousands of resources and then have to micro them heavily to be able to use them
Yeah, invest thousands of resources into a unit that does the following:
1) Has the best scouting in the entire game
2) Has the best worker harassment in the entire game
3) Has the best movement in the entire game
4) Can fight in a slugfest vs even balls of MM
5) Can at any point instantly decide and end a match if ignored
6) Is the unit that has the single largest % source of win causing plays of any unit in the game
7) Defines 2/3 matchups (ZvZ and ZvT), while also being 50% of the last matchup (ZvP)
apetoss falseflagger trying to draw attention from his most busted OP race ever conceived
best only took GODkey to game 7 because of his race
In that case lings are still the best unit in the game by several fold
Just wall, dude.
zerg units are ALWAYS better
This is honestly Artosis level of understanding of the game. Whining about P and Z all day and saying everything Terran is weak. If you look at the whole picture of what Terran has it's insane. There's so many maps that's been thrown out over the years solely because Terran made them unbalanced
what do you expect from a flashtard
soulkey is now a bounjour?
Ultras are very rarely seen in current meta. I know you don't play the game but at least watch some games before shitposting.
just wall, dude
Kek, someone tell Light, Bisu, Flash, Rain, etc to "just wall, dude!". Despite the fact you can also "just wall, dude" vs vultures even easier since they can't kill buildings in 5 seconds like Lings can. Zerg units are ALWAYS better, and every single Korean pro agrees with that statement, has nothing to do with Artosis.
There's so many maps that's been thrown out over the years solely because Terran made them unbalanced
Yeah, like how on kickback where SK literally just afk macro'd and then a-clicked some ultras/lings to automatically win? the entire standard Radeon/Polypoid style map balance of BW is centered around giving Terran a fighting chance vs Zerg or Protoss. Literally anything that isn't your standard non-island 3/4 player open map with limited bases is unplayable for Terran, because they need a perfect environment where the other races can have none of the following:
1) Requiring too much air mobility (even just a split map like Eclipse is hard for Terran to deal with, let alone islands)
2) Having too many bases (Terran can never get a game closing push with the infinite expands and counter attacks)
3) Map too large (Takes Terran too much time to get from their base to the enemy for a push due to siege time wasting)
4) Bases too large (Terran cannot secure their home, will be harassed or counter dropped to death)
5) Bases too secure in the front (Terran cannot push the other two races with better late games, die to carriers or defilers/ultra)
All map balance is warped around trying to limit the two races from slaughtering Terran every game, and literally only one style of map has worked out in that regard. Yet even with that effort, SK/Hero have turned it into a solved matchup anyways, you will never see another Terran ASL win as long as these two don't coinflip each other and then shit their pants afterwards.
Zergs are too race-carried to ever be deserving of bonjwa status.
since they can't kill buildings in 5 seconds like Lings can
You mean +1 cracklings, that's hive tech.
and every single Korean pro agrees with that statement
You mean +1 cracklings, that's hive tech.
No, I mean regular old lings that routinely kill Protoss players by just killing the gateway out front and the single cannon in the back after zealots moved out too early. Meanwhile +3 Vultures can't even take down a pylon wall in late game.
Scan
So in a troll video with a shit eating grin the entire time with Artosis (this after you just accused me of being an artosis fanboy), Scan - one of the worst Korean pros, still says Muta, Defilier, and Ling are the best units in the game. Epic.
terrantard whining that every unit other than his is broken
no wonder he can never win asl with that loser mindset lolol
He's Terran so he's obviously biased which makes it funnier.
Meanwhile +3 Vultures can't even take down a pylon wall in late game
It's almost as if Terran has tanks for that. Shoots over everything too. Revears can't do that. The strategy for Protoss is basically "stop Terran before 200/200 3/3 army" or grab as many bases as they can and hope Terran can't destroy all of the bases with the 200/200 army
>>Look at what this pro says
>ok he agrees with me
uh actually hes biased...
So which is it you complete reject? Should I listen to Scan say the same thing as every single other Korean pro (Zerg units are the best), or listen to you who knows nothing about anything besides watching Artosis videos?
The strategy for Protoss is basically "stop Terran before 200/200 3/3 army
You don't even play the game, if this was true then Protoss would just get 6 carriers and automatically win every single game. You literally have no idea how the game works.
as every single other Korean pro (Zerg units are the best)
lol no they don't.
if this was true then Protoss would just get 6 carriers and automatically win every single game
It takes like 50 years and all T has to do is scan their base.
lol no
lol yeah, and your only example of a real pro agrees with me.
it takes like 50 years
Compared to 200/200 3/3? You're a fucking idiot.
Yeah such a disadvantage T can just sit at a few bases with maximum defense. Even if P recalls in it's useless.